I have read all the Harry Potter books with enthusiasm. And now enjoyed the movies. Am I the only adult that likes them??
And what about the controversy about the book being evil? It seems to me that Harry is brave about going against what is evil. Have the books really been banned from schools? I would think to encourage kids to read would be good.
The Good vs. Evil, does the good outweigh the "evil"??
I have read all the Harry Potter books with enthusiasm. And now enjoyed the movies. Am I the only adult that likes them??
I LOVED them and good does outweigh the evil; those that oppose them should take a good look at some of the old fairy tales. This is a wonderful series about young people that overcome adversities and see their potential. I am off to the movie this week YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally, I think the Good vs. Evil thing is a political ploy used by people to gain leverage in debates having nothing to do with the book.
The Harry Potter books, while nicely done and thoughtfully plotted, owe a huge debt of gratitute to several other important literary works, from which plot elements, characterizations, or even scenes are borrowed.
That being said, both my wife and I enjoy the books and the films.
If you enjoyed the Potter books (as I also did), try "The Chronicles of Narnia" (seven volumes), by C. S. Lewis, written as an extended Christian allegory for young readers. It has Good vs. Evil, wizards, witches, talking animals, a unicorn, and children adventuring in a mythical kingdom.
Narnia is written to a much higher literary standard than Potter, by a true scholar / artist and reflective theologian. By the way, there was similar noise about the Narnia series being Evil when it was first released nearly a century ago..., naturally by those not bothering to open the covers of the book.
Then there is "The Once and Future King," by T. H. White. This is a spectacularly prismatic retelling of the Arthurian saga. Merlin, the wizard, gets younger and more innocent every day, even as he battles Evil. The chapter on young Arthur learning the meaning and importance of ethics and virtue by learning falconry is breathtaking. There are knights, castles, conflicts of morality and the heart, poliotocal crisis, the testing of faith. And the knights take off on a quest for the grail.
Naturally, some folks not bothering to open the covers of T. H. White's masterwork or aquaint themselves with history scream that the book is all about Evil. Yet, they forget that the GRAIL the knights seek is the cloak Christ wore at crucifixion, and so the book is all about the power of faith and the search for God.
Oh, by the way, Disney made a really bad cartoon version of "The Once and Future King." Miss it is you possibly can.
Happy Holiday Reading.
I read all the Harry Potter books and absolutely loved them, even have the first movie on DVD. I think the books would be excellent for young adult readers. I think those that think the books are evil have not even read them. I believe that they tell kids that anybody can be somebody special and that good does triumph over evil. Can't wait to see the second movie!!!
Evelyn, you have good company in all the adults I know who read and love the harry Potter books! I have not read #4, but am on the wait list at the library.
I am on the waiting list for the fifth one. (HP)
Adam, I really enjoyed "The Chronicles of Narnia". Also there was a PBS series which followed the books closely, some time ago. They used to re-introduce them on fund-raising drives, but I think they have been shown quite a few times.
Not sure if I have read E.T. White. I will check them out, thanks!
My DH and I love Harry Potter...the whole controversy is that since he is a wizard he is trying to seduce young children into devil-worshipping.
I actually have a very religious friend who will not allow his son to see any of the movies or read the books. It's pretty sad.
I've read the C.S. Lewis Narnia series as well as many of his other work. All excellently written. Haven't read T.H. White yet.
What I want to know...is why can't a book just be a book? Why does it have to be anything other than a story to fascinate and entertain? When I read the Narnia series, I read it to amuse myself not as a Christian allegory. I used to read the entire series every year as a child. It's a series I would recommend to anyone, regardless of their religion.
I totally agree with you, that a book is just a book. And I would be ever so grateful if others approached reading in the way you describe.
However, sometimes it assists us in understanding the artist's work to examine his or her intentions. What is it the author would like us to understand from the story they labor to tell?
In the case of Lewis, looking at the body of work ~~~ and much of it is exquisitly crafted language to be sure ~~~ we know he wrote to us through the lens of a devoutly and passionatly felt Christianity.
And whether the reader does or does not subscribe to the theology Lewis so gorgeously describes, it is my..., er..., prayer, that anyone picking up one of his many wonderous volumes is transported and enobled by the beauty of the work.
My principal reason for even mentioning that Narnia is a Christian allegory, is to point out that sometimes hysterics object to things of which they are fully ingnorant, thereby reinforcing their ignorance.
Thanks for your thoughtful post. Much appreciated.
It's not that I was disagreeing with you...because I actually do agree, it's just that sometimes too much emphasis is made on what something is and what something isn't.
I also didn't want people to shy away from the Narnia series thinking it may be too preachy or that you had to be a very devout to appreciate it.
I am very pleased that I found someone who loves his work as much as I do. The way you describe his work is evidence of that. *hugs*
My son will be 13 this January and he's read all 4 books and can't wait for the next one to come out. I took him and my 10 year old daughter to the movies both times when the 1st one and the 2nd one were released and can't wait for the next one to come out at the theater. When talking to my mom about a week or so ago she said that she can't wait to see the 2nd movie when it comes out on tape. I told her that she will probably have to wait a while longer and she was kind of disappointed. So I guess you can add my mom and I to the list of adults who like Harry Potter :o)
I am a reader, and will read almost anything, even the cereal box at breakfast. However, I am not a fan of fantasy... Until Harry Potter. Just had to see what all the fuss was about, and borrowed the first book, which I never put down until it was finished. Then spent the weekend reading 2,3 and 4. Found the movie fairly true to the book, more so than usual... Stephen King books translate badly, in my opinion.
Adam, I always thought the Holy Grail was the Chalice used at the Last Supper. The Cloak idea is new to me. Can you fill me in a little on that? Does the Object vary at all from time to time?
John... How funny to see someone else use the same words I use to describe how I read (even breakfast cereal boxes)! Like you, I also thought the Grail was the cup from the last supper.
Despite being a Baptist, I find no quarrel with the wizardry in the Harry Potter books. I believe everyone could use a good imagination, and think it's essential in children if they are ever to learn to think outside the box.
the 'cereal' box? :-)
I had some mixed feelings about the wizardry/magic, but noted they celebrated Christmas... Decided it was 'just a book' (although can't that be dangerous?) and another version of Good vs. Evil...
my boys arent in to harry because they have choose not to be they aernt into sponge bob either!
kegan is into the Michigan chillers ever since he met the author and got his book signed!
They love yugioh too-thats the new craze around here!
They love the lord of the rings!!! =] me too!
dori, I finally rented some dvd's of spongebob, and enjoy watching them. Had to see what all the fuss was about.
I like it but the 9yr old thinks its stupid a sponge that has to live in a pineapple under the sea,and they have a swimming pool under the water-thats just dumb he says!!!
I thought it was cute!
It is cute! I am a little disturbed by the Lobster who sells Crabpatties though...
The 6th book comes out July 25th 2006, link to Barnes and Noble (however they say it is only coming out in paperback first???):
I found it is always cheapest to buy the hardback at Sam's Club or to wait and buy in town at a used book store, it never takes long before they have tons of copies. =)
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Hurrah! I've been waiting for the paperback.... I'm generally too cheap to buy books in hardcover, plus I find paperbacks easier to hold for reading. Tir, the hardcover version of this one came out last summer. Just think, you could've read it a year ago!
We rented "HP & the Goblet of Fire" on DVD recently, and I have to say that I thought the movie was actually better than the book.... I thought this one was the weakest story in the series, being more a description of the various "challenges" and less about plots twists or character development.
Oh my I should have paid closer attention to the advertisement, you are correct...it HAS been out, it's just announcing the arrival of the paperback! Here I've got the hardcover already sitting on my bookshelf. *shaking head and laughing*
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Tir-Na-Nog. You sound like you have the same kind of memory for books and movies as me and my sister. Somebody had to convince me the other day that, yes, they HAD lent me this movie, and I had already seen it. "Well", I asked them, "did I enjoy it?"
So I guess you can go back and re-read "Half-Blood Prince" like it was the first time!
Oh my gosh, nice to meet a kindred!!!! I am TOTALLY like that. My DH recalls details from the books different from the movies and I'll say, "That didn't happen in the book?!" He'll say, "Yeah, yeah it did." I didn't remember the staircases moving in the books as they did in the movies.
I can watch a movie and 1-2 years later, if only seen once, re-watch it like brand new! I have Princess Bride almost memorized though. =)
I love the Harry Potter books and films and can't wait for the final book next year. I'll be sad though as there will be no more after that. I think they are so entertaining for children and adults alike, JKR always puts in plenty of jokes for the adults. I think the films have been excellent too and have tried to do justice to the books. So is Snape a baddie or not? Is Dumbledore still alive? Who will get killed off? There's some wild speculation going on!
Sorry for the long post, I just found this thread and I had a lot to say.
I love the books! I was resistant to them for quite a while for no reason I can understand. I read a lot and am always looking for cool new series. I also have nothing against children's books. I read children's books even before I started pre-reading juvenile and young adult books that I think my future step-daughter might enjoy, to see if they are too adult for her. She really enjoyed The Spiderwick Chronicles by Holly Black. That's the only one I've found that I thought she would like, was age appropriate (in my opinion), and that I could get her to listen to, but I keep trying. I didn't end up reading the Harry Potter books until I picked up a copy of the first three UK editions in London as a present for a friend of mine who is fanatical about Harry Potter. I ended up needing something to read on the ferry to France, I had those, so I started to read the first one and was hooked. My friend never did end up getting those copies.
I thought the movies were pretty good. I had watched the first two before I read the books. I actually have been to opening day on all three kind of randomly. I went to the first one because something else was sold out, the second one because it was my friends birthday and thatís what she wanted to do, and the third because I couldnít wait to see it, for better or worse. Because I saw the first two movies before reading the books, I donít have one of the issues I generally have when they make books into movie, which is the characters not looking right to me. When I read the books I see the actors. I actually have the scene where Harryís father is tormenting Snape when they were children in my head as if I had already seen it in a movie. I actually thought I had seen it in one of the movies for awhile. I do think they are really good movies, but, I still think the changes they made to make them in to movies lose part of the soul of the book.
Aotearoa - The Once and Future King by T. H. White is my mother's favorite book. I really think it should be more popular than it is. No one seems to know it anymore. My favorite part is when he's an ant. It reminds me of 1984 by George Orwell.
critterologist - Finally! Someone else agrees that especially large hardcovers are too hard to read. I still haven't read Quicksilver by Neil Stephenson all the way through, even though I really want to and enjoyed the part I have read, because I can't find a paperback copy, and it's just too big and heavy for me to read in hardcover.
Tir_Na_Nog - I used to be able to recite the Princess Bride. That's what happens when you're an insomniac and use a movie to go to sleep too many times.
Oh yes, The Once and Future King is brilliant!
I know I've mentioned Patricia C. Wrede's books elsewhere recently, but check into her for your stepdaughter, Zhinu. Her "Dragon" books are among my favorites for reading aloud -- but do start with _Talking to Dragons_, even though it's not "chronicalogically" the first book. (Think of how you should read _The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe_ first in CS Lewis' Narnia series, even though there is another book, _The Magician's Nephew_, about Narnia's beginnings.)
Hey Critter, thanks I didn't know about The Magician's Nephew_, about Narnia's beginnings... I will have to get that one....
My son had bought me all the Harry Potter in Hard Back, I can hardly wait for #7 to come out on 7/07/07 :o)
Just a shame we have to wait so long for the movies to be completed.
Tir na Nog, at the last science fiction convention I went to, I bought a tee shirt that had one of those name tags printed on it. You know the ones, HELLO My name is....
But this one said, "HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
Loved Princess Bride!
And I can't wait for the last Harry Potter book to come out. But it'll be a little sad, too, because then there will be no more HP books after that.
I thought you all might enjoy this, especially those of you who haven't read
The Chronicles of Narnia
The Magician's Nephew, Narnia's beginnings
The Chronicles of Narnia
Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Horse and His Boy
The Last Battle
Has everyone seen the name for the Final Harry Potter book? Sounds like Harry's going to take a peak behind that curtain he saw in book 5.
I can't wait!!
Yes the new title sounds intriguing. Does everyone think the next book will come out on 7/7/07?
I heard that it will come out on Harry Potter's birthday, which is July 31st. I just hope it comes soon!
I can't remember where I read it at but it was stated the it would come out on7/07/07, the reason I remember it the commit was stated that it was perfect 777 which represents perfection :o)
white hydrangea: LOVE that shirt. BWAHAHAHAHA!
pepsidrinker: the NEXT HARRY POTTER COMES OUT JULY 21, 2007 (per Amazon).
Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows
hmmm the 21st? I was told in chat this morning it was coming out July 25th or 27th
Either date is fine with me :o) just as long as its sooner than later lol
Can hardly wait to read it...
July 21!!! I can't wait. We get The Order of the Phoenix movie on the 13th and the book on the 21st. She states that two main characters die. Hopefully, not Harry or his two friends.
Did you see where Radcliffe is in London's West End's production of Equus? It's a very demanding role...haven't seen the play since I was in my early teens and the movie since my early 20's. Lets hope he can pull it off well.
Yes, it's causing quite a lot of talk--he appears nude. I hope he does well too. I know in interviews he stated that he took the role in Equus to show that he was more than "Harry Potter."
I wonder when the human body nude became something that caused such a shock to so many people LOL ..