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Plant Identification: SOLVED: Blooms like snail vine (vigna caracalla) but smaller??

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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 22, 2003
9:36 PM

Post #657692

OK, got these seeds in spring, started them - all they said was this: blooms like snail vine but smaller.
OK my question, does anyone know what it may be called? They have leaves same shape and formation as the vigna, and these flowers are teeny about dime sized, but oh so pretty, however, there is no smell to them.
Please and thanks!
Laurrie

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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 22, 2003
9:37 PM

Post #657695

another shot of flower

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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 22, 2003
9:39 PM

Post #657699

and just one more.
Thank you everyone
Laurrie

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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2003
2:13 AM

Post #657998

bud

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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2003
2:14 AM

Post #658001

leaves

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moonlighting
Needville, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 23, 2003
11:37 AM

Post #658225

Laurie, what you have is a Lathyrus species...


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OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2003
2:45 PM

Post #658462

Moonlighting, ok, just what is that...? I am new to viney things so any help appreciated. I am going to run a search on what you said to see if I can find out a little more.
Thanks soo much
Laurrie
dave

September 23, 2003
3:01 PM

Post #658479

I agree on Lathyrus (Sweet Pea vine). Take a look at some of the shots here and you might find your particular one: http://plantsdatabase.com/search.php?search_text=Lathyrus&Search.x=13&Search.y=7

Dave
moonlighting
Needville, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 23, 2003
4:01 PM

Post #658549

Hey there Lauurie - Dave is right, Lathyrus ssp. (species)is pea, i.e. sweet pea and others. I can't decide if yours is actually sweet pea - it could be a modern one, or if its an infamous cousin...
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2003
4:28 PM

Post #658563

Dave & Moonlighting, thanks for the help here, I checked and cannot find my particular one in there. Mine is creamy white with mauve to lavenderish colors on it, very tiny, dime sized. I will keep looking!!! It is so cute.
poppysue
Westbrook, ME
(Zone 5a)


September 23, 2003
4:41 PM

Post #658577

I disagree on the lathyrus ID. I think it would more likely belong to the Bean family, Fabaceae.

Looks like a Phaseolus species to me.
Baa

September 23, 2003
4:53 PM

Post #658586

I also disagree with Lathyrus, does the plant have any tendrils?
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 23, 2003
5:04 PM

Post #658592

no tendrils noticed, more like the snail vine with the twining action, instead of tendrils.
moonlighting
Needville, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 23, 2003
6:55 PM

Post #658691

I definately agree with the it belonging to the Fabaceae family...as Lathyrus is part of this family (genus) as well as its other cousins - i.e. Phaseolus, vigna, etc. At this point I will agree that it resembles more Phaseolus than Lathyrus after looking at it...in other words Laurrie, "scientifically" this is why it resembles the snail vine (Phaseolus) - but you will find that the snail vine is also called vigna...but that is another debate that I am not getting into...lol...just trying to ID your pretty little flower.

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jermainiac
Seattle, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 23, 2003
8:33 PM

Post #658757

There are other species of vigna besides caracalla (which I think it's not), and it's too white to match my... ahem... Phaseolus. The leaf shape doesn't match either. maybe it's just a common bean...

"When you hear hooves, don't think Zebras." -- A medical maxim
moonlighting
Needville, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 24, 2003
12:53 AM

Post #658951

As there too can be different species of Phaseolus thus different colors too...same goes as if you see vigna or Phaselous don't just think snail vine...()...

This message was edited Sep 23, 2003 10:13 PM
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 24, 2003
4:45 PM

Post #659522

I only referred to it as similar to snail vine because on the envelope when I got it it said: "? - Blooms like snail vine but smaller" and that was it, so when it actually started growing and very similar growth habits I might add, as the vigna caracalla, which I am growing from seed also. Seeds of the vigna are a little bigger, these seeds are smaller but do look similar.

I am only trying to id this vine, so if I do any trades of it, I can give someone a name instead of just what I got. I really like it, it is small, but cute.

I thank all of you for trying to help me here. I will keep digging and perhaps will find this one one day.
Thanks all
Laurrie
Baa

September 24, 2003
8:28 PM

Post #659659

I'll keep my eye out for this one but will warn you that even the experts get confuzzled with Legume IDs.
imzadi
Jackson, SC
(Zone 8a)

September 24, 2003
9:33 PM

Post #659718

Cream-colored Vetchling(Lathyrus ochroleucus)

i cant seem to find a decent picture of this but it might be it. it also comes in a wild form with purple in it too. just guessing on this. imzadi
poppysue
Westbrook, ME
(Zone 5a)


September 24, 2003
11:59 PM

Post #659870

I don't think so, imzadi.

Here's a good picture http://www.em.ca/garden/nat_lathyrus_ochroleucus.html
PudgyMudpies
Stockton, CA
(Zone 9a)

September 25, 2003
2:37 AM

Post #660021

I would have to agree with poppysue. The leaves are not the same either.
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 25, 2003
3:28 AM

Post #660073

Nope, not it, am still looking, if and when I find it I will post here for sure. Thanks again for all you helpers here!!
Laurrie
ps - also wanted to say that original flower from 9-20 is still open and pretty as ever, so the flower stays open for quite a spell.
Baa

September 25, 2003
6:55 AM

Post #660179

Has it produced any pods yet? The pod shape might help with at least a genus ID
haighr
Hagerstown, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
2:53 PM

Post #660486

Finally I got a bloom - September ???

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Roselaine
North Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8a)

September 25, 2003
2:56 PM

Post #660489

yes, for sure, we have the wild purple Sweet Pea vine up here all over the place, particularly at the beachsides! E.
dave

September 25, 2003
3:07 PM

Post #660498

haighr: that's a definite corkscrew vine!

dave
haighr
Hagerstown, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
3:25 PM

Post #660568

Can you believe it Dave, after all these years it finally bloomed in the pot inside!

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dave

September 25, 2003
3:34 PM

Post #660591

It is a surprise! I remember feeling sorry for you that it didn't look like it'd ever bloom. Big congrats to you!
haighr
Hagerstown, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
3:39 PM

Post #660596

Thanks, on that last post, if you notice, my Copyright changed? Wonder what happened. I tried to post again and the same big copyright came over the pic. I checked my settings and that is not the one selected???

I must tell you, the plant still isn't huge and the vines are not very big about like string so I was equally amazed when I saw the buds. I was bringing it inside before the hurricane when I spotted them and they are opening now inside the house!
Badseed
Lynchburg, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
4:27 PM

Post #660639

Your pic is too little Candee. :)
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 25, 2003
5:49 PM

Post #660693

haighr - wonderful, congratulations, i am excited for you!!
haighr
Hagerstown, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
6:18 PM

Post #660716

I see bad. Will try another.

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haighr
Hagerstown, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 25, 2003
6:18 PM

Post #660717

You are just too smart for your britches bad LOL!
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 28, 2003
3:15 PM

Post #663450

believe my plant finally has an id:

http://plants.usda.gov/cgi_bin/plant_profile.cgi?symbol=STHE4

Laurrie
Malus2006
Coon Rapids, MN
(Zone 4a)

October 27, 2008
6:58 PM

Post #5722650

Can you mark this as solved?
Sorry I thought it was solved.

This message was edited Oct 28, 2008 4:41 PM
PudgyMudpies
Stockton, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 28, 2008
2:03 PM

Post #5725461

Laurrie's link no longer works, it is a Strophostyles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/b/Papilionaceae/Strophostyles/none/cultivar/0/

if I remember correctly, we thought it was S. umbellata.

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