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has anyone ever produced Datura metel var. frastuosa, commonly know as Black Currant or Double Triple Purple Datura looking like the one in the photo? this is all new to me. yesterday, when i saw the bud, i thought it was an odd looking datura. take a close look at the color. it sure is different from all the years i've grown Black Currant Swirl.
I remember reading a thread not too long ago where Root posted a pic of his Black Curran Swirl, and he posted a pic of a bloom that was almost light purple & white variegated. Or even splotchy (is that a word?) Surely he'll happen upon this, he's a dat lover. I've been meaning to ask him how that bloom turned out anyway.
MaVie, the bloom is really pretty. I love the deep purple in the Black Currant, but your bloom is very nice. And a nice change!
Brinda... this is the 1st bloom on this plant. i hope there will be more ;). it sure is different from the other BCS i've grown. the face of the flower is pinkish whitish in color. one thing for sure, i would like to save some seeds from this odd one LOL!!! it maybe odd, but it sure is another beauty if i may add.
I understand MaVie...which brings me to a question that I've wondered about...and even seen posted, but never answered. If you collect seed from 'that' pod, will the seeds when germinated have blooms like the pic you posted? LOL
Hi MVR, I had made a note to myself to remind you when the pods mature and you would send me Datura Metele, alba and purple. Hope that is still a plan, they are just beautiful. If so, lmk and I'll send you SASE. Linda
Bob will be looking forward to ur observation in ur yard.
Sue, i have ;).
Linda, i have done a list of everyone requesting for seeds in Excell in my pc so i will not forget. when the seeds are ready, i will email everyone and let them know. there should not be any problem :).
i know Sylvia. gardeners are always fascinated by something 'new', it always is a must have LOL!!! if i will have more seeds on these, i hope to be able to share too ;)!!! as of now, apart from the 1st flower blooming on the 1st photo above there are 3 new buds forming. i will take photo of the new blooms to keep record and for comparison purposes.
do not worry Linda, i will be sending individual email out when the seed pods get ripe. u won't miss anything LOL! enjoy ur trip :)!
although i live in the desert, it would seem my plants are far behind compared to everyone on DG. my veggies are just beginning to ripen. other flowering plants like the brugs and datura are just now beginning to form buds and pods. i guess the long dry hot weather and now cooling off night temperature give the plants a late head start.
Bob, the one u post on 9/25 8:49 p.m., seemed to be a lighter shade of Black Currant Swirl. the one i have on the 1st photo is much, much lighter shade... almost like light lavender pinkish blend. compared to the regular BCS, the flower does not last long, only overnight like a brug.
if my suspicion is correct, i bet the bees must have pollinated it with Eric White Brug i grew next to it last year. keeping my fingers cross the flower will form a seed, i have to watch that one real close :). and also observe how the other buds will look like when they open. thanks Buddy :)!!!
Thanks Root for those pics. I just love the color combo you have going in that first one! I love crowded plantings with lots of blooms going on. And your MG is so big, not to mention your passionflower! So sad that the cold is descending upon your little heaven you have made. Will you over winter your passionflowers?
Root, your pictures are great. The one with all the buds is amazing. The canna in the photo with it looks similiar to my Phaison canna. Is the passionvine in the ground or in a pot. I moved two of mine in pots into the GH a few days ago when i though the temp. was going to cold, but didn't. Temp. yesterday and today 85 degrees and only down mid 50s at night. Donna
i also got 2 for u... here is the odd lilac above. guess what? it is so fragrant, has some citrus and baby powder scent to it. moths and bees must have crossed this one with the Eric White brug i had last year.
Bob... what is that plant on the left of that datura. we have a flower like that in the P.I. i only know of the local dialect name, not the English or latin name. does it produce seeds? how do u propagate it? Bob, don't forget to tag that purple dat next to the yellow brug, just in case.
Kell... ur daturas should be in bloom pretty soon. am beginning to sound like a broken record, i always alternate watering them with water, hydrogen peroxide/alcohol and dish soap. am not at all concerned about virus. all my plants i think is squeeky clean LOL!!!!
my only concern is the datura's seemed to be crossing with the brugs. the lilac one above has the same scent of Eric white brug as i recall it.
here is the other Black currant swirl bush, growing next to Isabella.
one consolation about growing this "imitation brug' is:
less hassle to grow. is not bug infested. does not need lots of attention. they are practically on their own. does not require too much or expensive fertilizer.
i guess i need to learn how to polinate, and learn to create my own datura/brug hybrid...LOL!!!
MVR, will you be sharing your seeds (from the one that hangs down?) I love that. I agree, less maintenance and don't have to over-winter inside. I would love to grow some of those next year. Tell me more about your peroxide/alcahol/dish det treatment.
I finally found the post where you spoke of using soap and peroxide every other watering. Would you please tell me what the measurements are for this solution...?
Thank You (again),
shirley >^,,^< SB
Pam, i will be sending everyone a packet each of all the datura i am growing. so there is no worry there. i think i will have plenty to share for everyone.
thanks Shirley, will keep u posted when the seeds ripen. do not be surprise, my area is always the last in growing, blooming and seed maturing.
SB, for each gal. of water, add 1 tbsp. hydrogen peroxide and 1 tbsp. lemon scented diswashing soap. if u wish, u can alternate hydrogen peroxide with alcohol. that way the bugs do not get accustomed to hydrogen peroxide.
What exactly does the hydrogen peroxide, alcohol, dish soap concoction do? Kill nasty eggs, actual critters? Is it effective against aphids? Do you do this on your outside plants, inside plants or both?
MaVia and Root, I noticed on the the striped and pale lavender, Double Purple Swirl, the seed pods on the one in Roots photo are spiked. MaVia are the seed pods on yours spiked to. I looked at mine and they have a bumpy texture and no spikes...Since the one on Roots are spikey do you think this could indicate there is a cross?
This is a photo of the seed pod on mine...
RR, i do not know about taking cuttings on datura, and plant them, as i have not done it myself. datura from what i understand is an annual plant, except for the datura inoxia. D. inoxia dies back and come back from the root zone when the temperature gets warmer. most of the datura i grow, i have to plant seeds each year.
i have seeds that are now getting to the stage of being ripe. if u want some seeds, say so as i do not read people's mind. i will be more than willing to share with u or anybody else as long as my supplies last. i also need to honor promises i kept from last year.
Jagonjune, i am not a chemist so i would not know how to explain that one to u. all i know and can share w/U are based from personal experiences and testing i do on my plants. i have read online the HP prevents fungus from growing on the plant or seeds.
yes, i used both HP and alcohol inside and outside the house. from personal observation on plants i grow, i see the plants all perk up and very much alive after each watering. i do not see any bugs on my plants, except for caterpillars occassionally and i pick them off the plant.
as for aphids, i do not have aphids on my plant either. winds are constantly blowing here in the desert and sun is always shining.
on watering indoor plants: after every watering i do, i turn on the electric fan to allow the leaves on the plants to dry.
using both HP and alcohol, i do not have any spider mites problem either. that is the best explanation i can give u.
Thanks so much MaVie; I will try your recipe. I keep a fan on low pointed away from the plants all the time the light is on. That way they can pretend there is a nice gentle breeze blowing all day. I think it is close to the time when I should have shallow trays with stones and water around them to boost the humidity. We have such dry air indoors in the winter (actually the humidity is pretty low most of the time indoors and out).
I also spray the foliage and dirt with a mixture of 1 teaspoon of palmolive liquid dish soap[any dish soap would work, I guess] to 1 quart of water. Put in a spray bottle and spray on plant and dirt. Zapps those APHIDS in their tracks. Plus spraying in the soil kills the eggs and any larvae. Also great for the gnats and whitefly.
Ma Vie I am going to try your recipe too.
JJ... try adding some horticultural charcoal on the container where u put stones to increase humidity. the charcoal will filter the water and prevent mold from forming or building up. H. charcoal when mix in plant mix, will 'sweeten' the soil for the plants, which the plants love and appreciate.
in the orient, when we plant any plants, we always add charcoal. accdg to my grandma, makes the plant happy. from my personal point of view, i believe charcoal balances the soil mixture and prevent salt from the fertilizer from building up.
if horticultural charcoal is not available, use any wood charcoal, but not the kind used for barbecuing. in other words, not the brisket charcoal.
well, i hope my tests and experiments work for everyone. i do these testing on my own cuz of the so much different growing condition i deal with.
always remember: do the best u can to meet the requirement/s ur plants need in ur area. i always give this warning cuz what work for me, may not be applicable to u. i just want to share good results i attained from my experiments.
Datura metel varieties consist of the double or triple bloom. the white datura is known as D. metel alba, the yellow is D. metel Aurea commonly called as Hindu datura. other sites calls the yellow D. metel cv 'Golden Queen'. the purple ones are called D. metel var Fastuosa, commonly called as Black currant Swirl or Cornocuppa or Cornocopia.
i wish there is a datura expert that can clarify this issue once and for all. i am like the rest of u, new to growing datura plants although i have been growing them for more than 3 yrs. one thing for sure, i try my best to research them online.
there is enough confusion out there. i do not intend to add more to it.
WillowWasp, you beat me to the same question & thoughts! I had both the black currant swirl and another datura that produced single lavender color blooms. Those blooms seem a bit lighter shade than the first picture you posted, MaVieRose.
And, to go with what WillowWasp was saying, my Black Currant Swirl have the bumpy seed pods now and the other (the single lavender) has the spikey seed pods. I just went out to take these pictures to show you the comparison. WillowWasp's pix of the Black Currant seed pod is much better!
When you look at Roots seed pod, it does look like he might have a cross of the varieties because it certainly is different that these two!
And Root, does your D. stramonium var. tatula have seed pods like this? I think I may have something similar, but I'm not sure since I didn't take a photo when it was in bloom. Here, there is another plant behind it that makes it harder to see the datura. The leaves look similar though...
Very pretty! And, this is which variety? Any that I had that were pink first opened as white/yellow! Ah, what fun! Just can't wait for next year. We had frost that killed 98% of my stuff. The pictures I took of whatever that plant with the pea sized pods was close to the house so it didn't get a full frost yet...
Do ya think you'll have any of those pretty blue dat seeds? I don't recall their name, but they were almost like a royal blue! I'd love to try those here...
So, no frost for you yet? I'll keep my fingers crossed that your season lasts into late November ☺
Bob, not to worry. i believe i have plenty for everyone. the seeds are really huge this year. i am totally surprise. some are half ripe already. the nights are cooler now - in the mid to upper 60ish. the daytime, still in the upper 80's to lower 90's. i know i still have plenty of time to have those seed get ripe ;).
Morp, from personal observation, datura metel seed pods that are lighter in color are: the double/triple yellow, white double/triple. seedpods are suspended in the air like facing upward. also the single datura metel has lighter seed pods that are hanging down.
just trying to help Kell. trying so hard to keep a low profile, but questions keep pouring in. i do not need recognition, simply trying to share basic knowledge learned from growing datura.
#'s donot mean anything. what matters is to learn from one another, based on personal experiences. true there are lots of info online, the question is... how reliable are those info.? i have seen lots of conflicting opinions and information out there. we need to interact with one another to nail down the true and basic facts of growing daturas.
I think right now this is the most intresting Plant we are growing. So much to learn about it and so much to do with it yet.
I personally think that Root and MaVia just may have a cross. I'm betting that the Black Purple Swirl crossed with the White Datura. Just hope yall can keep the seeds true and we will see next year what those blooms look like...this is really gonna be intresting... :o)
Dee, this is the reason why i brought this 'different' or "odd lilac datura" to everyone's attention! i need other's input on their own findings/observations. also want to know if others have this new strain of datura growing in their yard.
often times in haste, i myself do tend to overlook stuff. please scroll up on the 1st thread i posted, and the posting on 10/02/03, 12:26 a.m. where i explained that i believe this is a cross with a white brug. interesting enough, the fragrance also carries the scent of the white brug and part of the scent of Black Currant Swirl.
at present this odd and different lilac datura has 2 seed pods developing. several new buds are on the stage of opening. am sure there will be plenty to go around. otherwise, i simply have to appropriately proportion the seeds so each one will have opportunity to grow this odd datura ;).
Hi, I noticed that you live in Hesperia. I live in Moreno Valley, about 5 miles before reaching Perris Lake (near Moreno Valley Beach Drive). It is a desert area here also, we may be in the same Zone.. I have a terrible time growing daturas and your explanation above answers my questions regarding this.. I finally got 2 small seedlings to about three inches tall this year, but that is it. Now that the temps are cooling the other plants (vines and brugs) are finally doing something.. After seeing your photos.. I will not give up.. and will also try your recipe above.. Can I use that on Brugs also? Antoinette
Grab them with long tweezers and pull or you can tear the plant open and get them easy. Whatever works for you. Try not to bump the bloom very hard or you will lose a lot of the pollen if it is fluffy. After I opened the picture up, I don't really see anthers with pollen on them. I'm tired tonight and maybe that is why I can't see.
yes they do! i did not plant any last year, but will be planting some this year. that is an un-named datura that was produced in my yard... but it still belongs to Datura Metel species. Black Currant Swirl was polinated by a moth, crossed i believed by Eric's White brug in 2002. i labeled the ones i gave away Datura Metel "Lilac Double". for future reference, i will call this Datura Metel "Mei-mei". it means little beautiful flower.
most of the seeds i had was been given away in 2003. so far i have not heard how the seeds performed from people i shared them with. i only have a few to plant this season.
MaVie: I planted your seeds last year.
Wouldn't you know it, it was not a good growing year here in Iowa for Daturas.
Our summer was too cool and not humid enough for good blooms.
Please don't take offence, it just wasn't your seeds. My plants from my seeds faired the same. Hopefully, this summer will be a great Datura Season.
no problem Debby. i purposely did not plant any datura last year due to heavy infestation of cucumber beetles. in the past, i have always planted brugs and daturas in the same area... only to find most of the blooms and leaves of both plants were heavily damaged. since i did not plant any daturas last year, the brugs fared very well.
this season, i will plant datura far away from the rest of the plants i grow. maybe behind the big red barn. am keeping my fingers crossed that the cuke beetles are not too wise to find the other plants LOL.
one thing for sure, i agree with u, this year will be a good growing season. Calif. poppies that are growing wild in my yard every year has done so great this year. normally the poppies will only be 10" above the ground, with bloom size to be 3" across the previous years. this year the poppies are 2-3 feet tall and blooms the size of my palm, about 5-7 inches across. i guess all the rains and snow helped a lot.
forgot to add Debby, this datura "Lilac Double" has a nice citrusy scent to it. the bloom has nice flare to it. i hope those lucky enough to have the seeds will love it too as it is rare and one of it's kind. it does not grow tall either. nice compact plant that is prolific in blooms. very nice light lilac coloring to it.
i will try to take some photos of the poppies Debbie. would u believe, i am in alleged sunny Calif. but todate the daytime temps is only in the upper 40ish, night time in lower 30's or upper 20's. too cold, and too much strong cold winds from the mountains. surrounding mountains are heavily capped with thick snow.
Kareoke: Are you planting them outside, if you are, you have to wait for the ground to warm up. It is usually safe to plant them outside when your frostfree date is.
If your starting them inside you can plant them now.
Here's a pic from last year. I had grown seeds that were suppose to be Var Ruba Reddish Cream. I can't remember if these 2 following pics were growing on the same plant or not. Just found this one to be unusual looking. ~Josie
so glad they are growing great for u scoot. any photo from the lilac brug [seeds from D. metel x brug 'eric white'????
those are lovely and very different Josie. am sure u are referring to Datura Rubra [another variation from Datura metel] aren't u??? do u have some seeds to spare?
Judy,,, u do not feed the daturas. they grow and bloom in the wild. they pretty much sustain themselves on their own. what is amazing is they are repeat bloomers almost all year round, except during the cold winter months.
Donna, unfortunately, i have not planted any datura last year due to heavy infestation of cucumber beetles. hopefull to some i have shared them with... will be kind enough to share them along. so sorry, u know if i got them, i would be more than glad to share.
when i planted them in 2003, it was planted late. i had only 1 or 2 seed pod. the seedpod was not too generous as it was harvested during the cold winter month. i wanted then to be sure the seed pod was matured enough prior to harvesting.
Donna... believe it or not, most of the datura i have planted came from Ontario, Canada from a very dear friend... 5-6 yrs ago.
if u happen to be lucky to grow some or any kind of datura, be sure to take note of seed pods u harvest. there is no way of telling what kind of plant the seeds will produced. datura's are very attractive to bees that is why there is no way of telling what plant the seed will produced. [be aware of the surrounding flowers in the area where u plant the datura. try to make a map of all the plants in that area. that way next growing season, u will not what plant influenced ur datura if they appear different or weird to ur taste.] just a friendly reminder, just in case u get a "new" datura hybrid. the map will give u a clue to the mystery of ur new hybrid datura. this applies to every datura grower, that is... if u have not taken note of what u have on hand.
i know for sure, each year i plant the datura, they are not the same as the ones from the way i planted them originally. good example are the double lilac and speckled datura i had grown.
u're very welcome Donna. those speckled datura are a sight to see... specially with those unique marbling on the petals. no two blooms will ever be alike. each bloom is unique in its own way.
i also like the double lilac that was crossed with a brug. lovely scent almost like baby powder scent accented with citrus scent... i liked also the shade of purple it carried. the flower petals were too heavy for the small plant that it was... which is why the flower is almost droopy in appearance. if can grow more of the lilac datura crossed with brug, i prefer that than growing regular brugs cuz they are not as demanding as normal brug when it come to caring for them.
Hi everyone, and thank you for your kind comments. I'm sorry to say that I wasn't able to get any seeds. I started the germination too late so the frost killed the plant before the seed pods were ripe. I felt sad that I couldn't even get any seeds for myself :( I'm glad I took the time to get a picture while in bloom. So now I just drowl over it wishing I had gotten some seeds lol.
If it's any help to you...I purchased the seeds on ebay. I don't remember the sellers name, only know it was in the US.
Lucky me - I bought some Datura Inoxia last year, saved the pods & spread some seeds (and threw a pod down for Mom Nature to look after). Don't know which worked, but obviously One of the methods worked, cuz I got 40 seedlings which sprouted up. Very happy camper!!
The Inoxia are beautiful! They're white, and I'd never grown them before last year, so Really Happy that they grew! As mature plants, they're about 3 1/2 ft tall, and very prolific bloomers! I had neighbours of mine asking me to plant them again this year :-) Unfortunately I could only find the Metel variety, and they're a much smaller plant.
Anyone in Calgary want one? I don't think these tender seedlings would make a trip through Canada Post.
so i see Clemen. Donna, am sorry, i gave all my seeds away that same year, i don't have anything left. the sad thing is... no one kept me up todate: i don't know if any of those people i shared with had any luck.
since 2003, i had been practically living in hospitals. now i am better TG.