Here in Florida we have "Publix Supermarkets" and this is where I bought these 2-3in. multi colored peppers. They were packed in plastic pint containers, but they did not have a name. They were as sweet as "candy". I just started to grow peppers(one plant)and I am hooked on them along with my tomatos. Can you tell me the name and where to buy them from seed? I already ordered a heat mat.
i saw the same thing in sams club last week. i think the label said they were sweet mini peppers. there were about a dozen in each bag and they were different colors. some were red, some yellow, some orange and some green. first time i saw anything like it.
The seeds are immature and they really can be classified as seedless. Their website(masterstouch)doesn't tell much and that is why I figured I'd contact the "Pepper Pros" although they may be their own exclusive, but I tell you they are "DELICIOUS". Gotta have them. They cost $2.99 for a pint container that contain only twelve tiny peppers. If you break it down to cost per pound it would be approxiametly $15.00 or more per lb.
Shoe I am going to pickle these this weekend I will see how the seeds look in these. No reason for them to be immature since these are full grown but maybe so if they are the result of a mutant cross. I have seen seeds for this kind of pepper in one of my seed catalogs. I will look by this weekend. Ernie
Hmm...I'd try to germ them seeds. If the peppers have changed colors there's a chance they are mature.
Ernie, give em a try. It couldn't hurt! (Peppers do cross easily tho, so be prepared for that, too.) I would imagine they are hybrids tho, and not mutants. Hmmm...wonder which would be more stable tho? Either, or neither?
Tplant thats what I said I bought 1.5 pounds of a sweet pepper that came in a package and now I counted them 38 orange and red peppers.
Some of them measure 3 ,3&7/8,and two were 4 inches these were on top easy to view. The peppers underneath were as small as an inch.
Since yours were more uniform and in a smaller container I suspect they were graded by the packer while mine were bulk packed to get rid of the less desireable sizes. I suspect they are the same breed. Probably came from the same part of mexico.
Shoe couldn't stand it I cut three open and took the seeds and they look mature to me I can dry them for you if you want them Im going to plant lots of other types so I wont mess with them not enough time. They are very sweet though and will pickle nicely. Ernie
Totally tomatoes sells a minibelle mix, open pollinated, tiny belles, green but ripening to yellows and reds. While there are hundreds of pepper varieties, I can't identify specific cultivars that match your description.
Herbie -- I was coincidentely looking at the same page and it sure looks like them.
Eweed -- Please taste them and tell me if they are sweet as sugar and also the seeds are tiny white and immature. Actually, you can eat the pepper without taking out the seeds!The package confirms the distributor as Bionova and product of Mexico.I just confirmed it with my $2.99 package of 10 not 12 as originally stated. I am eating one as I am typing.
Please let us know if we can grow from seed as I am not too familiar with the process? I CAN'T BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE OF PRICES!
Shoe-Sounds like what we've grown for years. Jingle Bell is what they were called originally-beautiful,red,little peppers. Now they call them mini-bells & baby bells. You can get them in yellow & chocolate,also. We have good luck with them-the first,sweet peppers in the garden to turn red. There are lots of peppers on each plant. The walls are a little thin compared to regular bell peppers but they are great to stuff. We get our seeds at Seed Savers Exchange.
At what Farmers'Market do you sell?
SHOE; Sound like to much work an not enough money.I know if you don't sell a lot of pepole will be upset.How many sells at your market.We sell at the KING FARMER Market an I know about how much work it is for the small amount of money.People don't unstand how much work goes into growing for the market.I have enjoyed your INFO ON THIS SITE. thanks Lockman
I bought those same mini - peppers at Costco. They are terrific. Try throwing them on the grill with whatever meat you're doing. Leave them whole, maybe brush with a tiny bit of olive oil. If you thought they were sweet raw, wait til grilled!! Have also skewered (whole) with other veggies and shrimp and threw on the barbie. PLEASE, if someone finds the seed source, let us all know.
If they are hybrid they were most likely F1 hybrids. First generation hybrids hold their characteristics and vigor but seed from those are not stable. We'd have to stabilize them, or hope so, and that may take 4-7 or more generations.
If these plants don't produce the peppers that have the same taste/characteristics of the ones you purchased then we'll know they are hybrids and not stabile.
Often-times hybrid seed will be either sterile OR just not produce the desired plant/fruit. I was excited to see such a great germination rate on these! At this point in time it's a wait and see game. If some of the plants produce the peppers that we're looking for then those will be the ones to save seeds from. If some plants produce a pepper that is much different it would be that it is reverting back to one of the parent stock or an oddball mix of the parent stock or something all-together different, i.e. something further back in the ancestry or a mutant of some kind.)
By the way, don't remember getting a message about the window box roma. Was it thru email?
shoe yes but I am not very good with comp maybe it didnt get sent. Question was did I send you window box roma and if so since you planted way before me how big is the plant. I am trying to figure out if it will go in a deck container. Ernie
I found a news release from 2001 that quoted a rep from Master's Touch / Bionova stating “Traditional plant breeding is enabling us to create proprietary products that add value and variety to our product line,” so they must be their own little hybrids. It will be interesting to see what segregates out in the seedlings.
Here's a few pics of the peppers. I ended up getting reds, orange, and reds (and of course green, the color they all started out as). The plants were nearly the same in height and leaf structure was the same.
They were sweet! Some were sweeter than others (the reds were definitely the sweetest but I've found that to be true with standard bell peppers also).
Do these look anything like the original peppers you took the seeds from, ernie?
shoe the ones I bought ranged in size from those to a little bigger the basic shape appears to be the same if my memory hasn't faded to much.
Thanks for the pictures and by the way this was the easiest experimental growing I ever did lol.
And the overall production does it seem sufficient to grow again?
Now the real deal may be to winter over a couple plants and see if that makes for more peppers sooner, That is if you have the right place to try it. I read about a guy in Texas who has brought the same plant inside and put it under flourscent lights for five years and even got a few peppers while inside. But then I did say Texas and we all know of the tall tales they are known for lol. Ernie
eweed ---- I grew some Bell peppers and Red Marconi. The Marconis were my favorite, sweet and thin skin but rarely made it into the house. They were more like a frying pepper in shape, ya know , elongated?
Good morning shoe and eweed. . .guess I'm feeling a little simple minded this AM, but was trying to determine the variety of those peppers in your pics shoe, by reading the thread. . .what was the final consensus, or did I miss it. I'd like to grow some of these next year and would be happy to purchase the seed, if I know the name.Thanks for an assist. . .I'm going to get another cup of coffee, maybe it will wake me up. . .LOL ;-D Janet
Morning, Janet. I reckon if ernie says these that I grew out look like the ones he took seeds from then they must be the ones the folks in one of the links above grow/sell. (Looks to me like they only sell the product though, not the seed.)
I'll be saving seed from these plants and see what we get again next year. Still not sure if they are hybrid or not. Will holler back sometime and see how many seeds I can manage from this crop (there are VERY few seeds in each pepper).
Thanks shoe. . .I couldn't find anything on the seed in searches that I've done. . .just thought someone might know the variety. . .as the 'Master's Touch' 'VineSweet-Mini Peppers' is a trade name. . .oh well. . patience. . .maybe I'll just go to Costco and get some and save the seed to try next spring. . . looked up the 'Jingle Bell' variety mentioned above and it's not the same pepper, just a short version of a regular bell. . .I think the coffee worked... ;-D
Hi Shoe. It is my growing season here and they still have those sweeties available.(Hey, that's a good name for them!)Do you think I could still grow them? I know there is only about two or three seeds per pepper. Can I just put them on my window sill to dry and then plant or must it be a process? I've never saved seed so I'm not familiar with the process.
Janet and Tplant...I think that is a good and easy source of seed for ya'll, just buy some of them peppers.
The seeds that ernie sent me were just dried on the counter, from what I remember.
Tplant, I'm not familiar anymore with Fla growing season but I know you plant tomatoes now, don'tcha? If so, I would imagine the peppers would do nicely also. I'd go for it. Maybe you can grow some in pots cus I remember you might have a few days of cold weather in Feb, eh? You could move them inside till your "winter' passed by.
Horseshoe My plants are about 4 to 5 feet tall.I have a lot of green peppers. Some red and orange ones. They are coming in slow. The ones I have eaten have been sweet as the ones we planted. Some have 10 to 12 seeds in them. The ones we got seeds from only had 0 to 4 in them. I did not plant them out by themselves. I will grow them next year. Its the best sweet pepper I have ever eaten. I hope someone will find out what they are so we can buy seeds.
Horseshoe No they are not mini bells. Our mini bells are about 4 to 5 feet tall. We have yellow & red-2 inch, little bell peppers After we heard Sam's had them, we got some and planted the seeds. They grew well but didn't set peppers till about the last of July. They look just like yours. I'm from King but after I tell this you may wonder about me. We have hot pepper plants 7 to 8 feet tall. They are loaded with peppers. We have a camera but don't know how to post pics. Would love to have you to come to King and see our garden.
Thanks for bumping up this thread eweed. . .I had it on my watchlist and sort of forgot about it and I'm definitely interested in the outcome. . .thanks for everyone's input. . . will keep watching and doing a little experimenting on my own. . ;-D Janet
We don't have those stores here, I have looked at Wall-mart, Krogers & Food Lion - with no sucess. I am really interested to know if any of the seeds Shoe saved from this year comes back "true" next year.
They aren't pimentos. They are mini bell peppers. I have some here from Trader Joe's (grocery store) and we buy them from Costco (warehouse discount store) occasionally. These were grown in Mexico and the label says Minisweet Bell Peppers.
Usually just grow the typical ones that are popular around here (cayenne, jalapenol). Have grown Habenaro in the past and a couple other Scotch Bonnet types (from Tobago...not sure if I still have seed of them or not.)
Last year I grew what I simply call "Guam" simply because the son of a friend brought them back from Guam (he is stationed there). They were semi-small, maturing green-to-red and firehot! I made a great hanging basket with some of the plants!
Not a good pic but shows how nicely they (3 plants) fill out a 12 inch basket!
basket?? where's the basket?? LOL They *did* fill out nicely!
BTW, although it's not quite the same as the one 'Shoe grew out from Tplant's seed, I really like 'Sweet Pickles' pepper. It's an OP variety, and you can order the seed from several places (or trade with me sometime). It's a compact plant that's as pretty as any ornamental chile, IMO, and when the peppers ripen to red they are sooo sweet! The seeds are in a small cone/core at the top, and they aren't at all bitter, so you can eat them if you want. Good for pickled peppers, as the name suggests, but I ate just as many fresh!
Critter did you grow spp in or will it grow in a 12 inch basket or two or three as shoe did?
Shoe I noticed Costco marketed a different type this winter looked kinda like the ones I sent you the seed for but were a little different these were described as sweet mini bells and from a different company.Ernie
I grew 'Sweet Pickles' in a deep (8") windowbox, and it survived but was a little runty. The ones in the ground got to maybe 20 inches tall & wide. I'm thinking that a 14" pot might make it really happy, and a 12" pot would probably be good too. It's more of a bush shape, though, so I don't know how well it would hang, and I definitely would plant just one per pot.
I've seen the peppers you started out discussing on this thread, and I've seen sweet mini bells ('Jingle Bells' is one cultivar), and they are definitely different peppers.
'Shoe, are you undertaking the task of dehybridizing this pepper? I've tasted them (got mine from Sam's), and they really are wonderful. I think they run a little larger than the 'Sweet Pickles', and I'd happily grow them as well if I could. Hope this year's plants do well!
critter...don't know if I'm dehybridizing these or not! The seeds Ernie sent me should've been F2 seeds if the peppers he purchased were considered hybrids to begin with. And those plants/peppers came out really great! (Pics way above in this thread.)
I saved seeds from some of those and had great germination so we'll see what they do this year. If they end up like the delicious ones from last year they may not necessarily be a hybrid but rather a mix of various pepper types due to their natural coloring (some turned to red, others to yellow, others to golden).
So far I haven't set any in the ground yet but hope to in another week or so, maybe end of May.
Will have to try the Sweet Pickle sometime but most likely next year. I'm growing too many kinds this year and only have one good place to isolate the pepper seeds I want to save.
I found some of the peppers in a Wal-Mart supercenter produce section...I guess I try thos seeds. I may go ahead and try this year, since we won't see frost in central Texas until sometime in November or even December.
Whether he undertook the project with these peppers or not, I'm really hoping that he'll write us an ARTICLE about dehybridizing... you know he would do an awesome job, and he'd make it entertaining to read, too. I thought maybe we, as his fan club, could give him a little nudge...
Thanks! I've been having fun writing them. Shoe is officially "on the team," but I think he needs to be encouraged to find some time to write. :-) You know he will be too busy in the garden this summer!
Mornin', Folks! (Well, almost mornin'...give it another 25 minutes and it'll be midnight at MoonDance Farm!)...
Yep, I grew out those seeds and they were great! (Thanks you, dreaves, for the guidance to a source and picture of those peppers. The Dulcetta pic looks exactly like them!)
The seeds Ernie sent me came true. I also grew some out the second year from saved seeds and the growth habit and the coloring of the peppers was identical with no signs of any reversion or mutants. I sent seeds out to several people but never heard back from anyone as to their success. (I believe I sent some to Agrinerd, maybe he'll pop in and update us.)
As I sit here typing I am not sure if I still have any seeds. What would've been the third year of growing them I chose to grow some other pepper varieties and wanted to be careful of crossing. As I get my ducks in a row regarding more seed planning, filing incoming seeds (purchased supplies are coming in regularly now, keeping me busy with something called "organization"!) I'll be sure to check my seed larders and see what lurks in there. Hopefully I saved some of those pepper seeds and didn't give them all away.
Critter, I hear that nudge! And you are right, time is at a premium here but everywhere I look around here I say "now there's an article just waiting to be written". (I talk to myself quite often, ya know.) It's a big disappointment to me that I have entirely too many pressing issues to deal with. I'm hoping 2008 will be a much more pleasant year and allowing me to spend more time with a pencil, paper, or even the keyboard!
Shoe, I'm hoping for a pleasant year with fewer pressing issues for you, too... and not just because I (selfishly) want to read those articles that are buzzing around in your brain! Take care of yourself.
It's good to get an encouraging report on those peppers... hopefully you'll hear something from other folks who got seeds, also. (For the record -- I'm not holding out on you! I wasn't part of the grow-out effort. LOL)
Hah! I know I didn't send you any, so you're off the hook!
I did grow out Sweet Pickle peppers this past year, due to your recommendation. You're right, well worth growing! I enjoyed growing, eating, and sharing those! My customers also raved about them. (Unfortunately I never got around to canning any of them!)
Shoe checking out the seed thing is a good deal I think while browsing I saw a full pkg of sweet pickles heck I find all kinds of things when I bother to look. Do you think sweet P is better for pickels than the one I sent you to try.
I haven't tried yours, Ernie, but I like the size of 'Sweet Pickle' for canning whole. Seeds aren't bitter, so you don't need to remove them, just cut a couple of slits so the pickling brine gets in. I do them like those Italian pickled pepperoncini.
No, Ernie, I wouldn't say Sweet Pickle is better than the Dulcetta but both would be great for pickling. "Dulcetta" (which I have in my records listed as "Ernie Sweets", for lack of a true name at that time!) is a bit sweeter than Sweet Pickle, at least comparing Sweet Pickle to them from only this past year they were. The walls of Dulcetta were thicker, too.
Pepper flavor, as well as their physical qualities, really seems to be contingent on the weather. We had (and still have) an extreme drought here and although Sweet Pickle is a good pepper the walls were nowhere near as thick (and juicy) as Dulcetta was those two years I grew them. Perhaps it was because of the excessive heat and dryness. I'll be growing Sweet Pickle again this year as I can't stand to grow something for only one year; I really like to give it a chance to prove itself!
I believe you'll like Sweet Pickle though, it is fairly prolific, colorful, and versatile. (Good for fresh eating, grilling, salads, and, maybe this coming season I won't sell all mine and I can pickle some!)
We need to dig up your sweet pickle recipe, critter. I'm sure I have it saved somewhere but think my eyeballs are telling me to close up the shoffice and head up to the house for a few hours. Daylight comes early, or so it seems!
:-) The second recipe on that thread is the one I use for whole 'Sweet Pickle' peppers.
Actually, I included the first recipe at the bottom of a just-submitted article on non-bell varieties of sweet peppers. So that'll give us another way to find it this summer (I think I put "pickled peppers" as one of the article keyword tags). The title will make Shoe roll his eyes in mock dismay (I know he's a closet punster, I just know it) -- "Can’t Grow Bell Peppers? Here’s a Ringing Endorsement for Some Alternative Sweet Pepper Varieties."
And yes, 'Sweet Pickle' is one of the varieties described!
It's encouraging that the seeds grew true to form for you. I'm growing several different peppers this year, so cross-pollenation could be an issue. I guess that if nothing else, I can always buy a batch at the store and save the seeds. Mine are just starting to germinate...I saw a few peeking through last night--four days after planting. Heat mats are a WONDERFUL thing.
Yes they are! I've been raving about my heat mats for the past couple of growing seasons. I don't normally talk up my own articles so much, but since I've already brought them up on this thread... I'll have one this Thursday on seedling heat mats and DIY alternatives. Be sure to check out the photo at the top -- Red Savina seedlings, 12 days after sowing and ready to transplant! Before heat mats, I was lucky to get a pepper seed to germinate in 12 days...
WOW! Michael, it's good to hear from you! That photo deserves a thread of its own, for all those whose peppers can't be too hot... it would spark a lot of excited discussion. Those Bhut Jolokia are huge!
For a ultra hot pepper they are huge, --the old saying , --that smaller peppers are hottest -- just is not true any more, --nice to see you are still writing also, --hope you are well, --Yours in the garden, --Michael
The peppers that most are talking about resemble the "Dulcetta-TM" peppers sold by EcoSeeds.com. http://ecoseeds.com/pepperpics.html#anchor93 Several people have reported good results starting the seeds from the boxed peppers purchased at the grocery store. The brand available in my area was "Master's Touch." They weren't in the produce aisle the last few times I checked, though.
Wikipedia has a reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_sweet_mini_peppers that says that the seeds generally are unfertile and leave out the original desirable traits when they do germinate. That seems to be contrary to the experience of the Dave's Garden pepper growers that have tried, though.
I bought a box of the peppers (actually several--they are delicious, but expensive here) and saved some seed to grow this year. I don't know if I'll have the same results as others have, but at least the seeds are generally viable. Almost all the seeds I started are up and about 3 inches tall. I have 11 plants in peat pellets and will transplant to pots this weekend. One pellet did not sprout at all--the others generally sprouted both seeds that I planted, so I had to thin.
I have about 40 mixed seeds or so left that I'm willing to share. The seeds I saved are mixed and may be yellow, orange, or red. Possibly one color is more fertile than the others. I saved seeds from the peppers that had more than two or three seeds each. Send me a D-mail with your mailing address and I will send you a few. If the seeds grow true this year, I'll be able to save plenty for next year. If not, I'll have to break down and buy some of the "Dulcetta" seed.
I put about 20 of the seeds in the mail this morning. I started mine over heat and they seem to be doing pretty well. Please let me know how they do for you, both germinating and in the resulting pepper.
Thgis thread is very interesting to me, since I discovered the mini sweet peppers 2 years ago. I have been successful in keeping several generations going from my saved seeds. The taste & texture is excellent- they roast very well, and are not watery like bells can be. Here's the link to the company that packaged mine- http://www.masterstouch.com/ and here's a photo- they look like a Christmas tree in the garden when they ripen! When I moved here 4 months ago from Florida I brought lots of my harvested seeds with me- they are now sturdy seedlings waiting for the cold to go away!