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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
11:55 AM

Post #1177371

Here is how to make papercrete containers.
The idea itself was invented by one of my Japanese friends.
It is getting popular here.


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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
11:57 AM

Post #1177373

Things to be prepared:

1. used newspapers : 8 sheets(wet),20(dry)
2. cement : 1.2kg
3. dye--in my case black:red=2:1(whatever you prefer)
4. thin stick : 20cm long
5. bowl: 1(40-50cm across)
6.plastic bags: 2
7.trowel:1
8.vinyl gloves: 1pair



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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
11:59 AM

Post #1177374

How to make it.

1.Soak the folded 8 newspapers overnight in the bowl.
2.Break them into pieces ,add some water in case necessary,
and knead them untill they get slurry



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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
12:00 PM

Post #1177375

3.Add cement and dyes into them and go on to knead.
4.Get it out and place it on the plastic bag.
5.Wipe the bowl lightly with a newspaper .
6.Place the stick in the center of the bowl,spread another
plastic bag on it.

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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
12:01 PM

Post #1177377

7.Put the slurry the size of a softball on the center of the bowl.
Push and spread it untill it gets1cm -1.5cm thick and make a hole with a finger
in the center of the place where the stick lies.

8.Spread each of the dry newspapers left and twist them
into sticks.
9.Make a wall all around the inside of the bowl with the sticks.
10.Press the rest of the slurry inside the wall little by little with a trowel


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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
12:02 PM

Post #1177379

11Leave it over night kept dry untill it hardens. Take it out with the plastic bag
and remove the twisted papers around it.
12Shower it once a day for two days to get it refined.
13.Now you can use it !

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OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
12:21 PM

Post #1177392

These are my friend's containers.

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momof2d
Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

December 4, 2004
12:33 PM

Post #1177406

WOW TomTom, thanks for sharing that one! Very Impressive! I'll be using those instructions come spring. Nice work! Jill
Ursula
Santiago
Chile
(Zone 9b)

December 4, 2004
1:30 PM

Post #1177461

TomTom, thank you so much for sharing this technique with us! I love these containers - they look so natural.

I have one question about the dye: please let me know what this dye is used for regularly. This will make it easier for me to find it.

Please congratulate your friend on my behalf.
Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

December 4, 2004
3:19 PM

Post #1177589

Thanks so much, Tomtom! Wonderful new technique, and practical, too. What is the beautiful grass that's in the container? Yuska
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 6, 2004
12:21 AM

Post #1179854

Hi, momof2d,do have a try!
Nobody who don't know this have ever dreamed that this is made
of newspapers and cement.
Works as a big surprise.LOL
----------------------------**-----------------------------------------------
Yes Ursula, they do look natural.
And in them alpine plants grow so well.
The dyes I use have been traditionally used here in the Japanese -style architecture.
They're inexpensive, but are getting hard to obtain because of their getting in less demand.
I think any dyes that might color cement would work just as well.
----------------------------**-----------------------------------------------
Thank you, Yuska, for showing interest in my container.
I'm also grateful to you since I use here the "papercrete"that you dubbed this material.
The grass is Japanese Blood Grass, Tall Cottongrass 'Red Baron'
Imperata cylindrica. It turns attractive in the fall .




Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 6, 2004
12:53 AM

Post #1179910

Now I noticed that the step 7 was omitted by mistake in my instructions.
I've just added it . Please take a look at it.
I'm sooo sorry.
momof2d
Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2004
1:16 AM

Post #1179945

Tom, I've added the 7th step to my word document. I'm dreaming of making some of these, I think they'd be great for bonzai, and for 'rock' loving plants and as you've shown just about anything. Thanks again for the info! Jill
Ursula
Santiago
Chile
(Zone 9b)

December 6, 2004
1:59 AM

Post #1180001

Amazing! I love them!
Maxine
Western, WI
(Zone 4a)

December 6, 2004
11:02 AM

Post #1180308

TomTom, may I ask a favor of you. Could you please convert the cement [1.2 kg] to a measurement used here in the US?
I am not familar with kg and don't know how to convert the amount.

Thanks. Love your containers.

Maxine
Karrie20x
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

December 6, 2004
6:54 PM

Post #1181070

Thanks for sharing this! I've been eyeing this forum, waiting for it, as you'd mentioned to me you would post it! Saving this to my favorites so that when I am ready I can make it. I too would like to know what the conver amount is for kg (like how many pounds and ounces that is).
MaryEv
Columbus, OH
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2004
8:02 PM

Post #1181192

Maxine,

Try this: http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/conversion/kilograms for help converting.

I imagine it is as difficult for Tomtom to convert Kilograms to pounds as it is for you. :)
Karrie20x
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

December 6, 2004
9:48 PM

Post #1181403

Thank you for that link! I knew there had to be one somewhere!
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 7, 2004
3:06 AM

Post #1181986

Maxine and Karrie20x,1.2kg is about 2.2pounds or 35 ounces.
I apologize my ignorance of the measurement used in the US.
------------------------------------------
Karrie, I 'm so sorry to have kept you waiting.
It took me some time to edit the photos and put what I wanted to say in English.

---------------------------------------------

MaryEv,Thank You so much for sharing the link.
You're right !
Converting kgs to pounds is as difficult for me as getting my ideas
across in English .LOL
I'm so grateful.

Maxine
Western, WI
(Zone 4a)

December 7, 2004
10:52 AM

Post #1182290

TomTom, I think that you are doing marvelously well. I know one thing, I sure couldn't convert any english to Japanese. Not that one could recognise!!!!

Maryev, my THANKS for the web site.

Nice to learn something new every day.

Excuse my spelling, please. Fibro fog is bad today.

Maxine
lincolnitess
Lincoln, NE
(Zone 5b)

December 11, 2004
10:30 AM

Post #1189865

These are beautiful! Are they very heavy? I wonder how big they could be made? Thanks for sharing the idea with us.

Susan
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 12, 2004
6:37 AM

Post #1191159

Maxine,thanks for your encouraging words!
----------------------------------------------------------
lincolnitess,the quantity of cement and newspapers in my instruction was for
the container shown in the photo and is the basic ratio of quantities.
You might increase or decrease the quantities ,as the case may be ,so far as you retain
this basic ratio.

The container in question, therefore, weighs a little more than 2.2pounds(1.2kg)---
cement +newspapers+water. It is about 8 inches across and 6 inches tall.
You could make a wider one using a wider bowl.
But when you'd like to make a taller one, be sure not to make the slurry crumble down.
The best way to avoid this is to wait for about half a day till the base somewhat hardens and go on to pile up the slurry. You might attach some pockets to the container.

Tomtom





lincolnitess
Lincoln, NE
(Zone 5b)

December 12, 2004
6:45 AM

Post #1191162

Thanks Tomtom. I am going to try one in the Spring. Don't think I want to try it in the house. They are really natural looking.

Susan
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

December 13, 2004
11:10 PM

Post #1193477

I started on one today.
Got some Questions. I twisted one newspaper sheet and it is quite small ( around 1 inch). When you say one newspaper, how many sheets are you talking about. Would it help to wrap the sticks in kitchen cling wrap.
When using a 20 inch pot do you just fill up to where you want to stop, being it is so tall.
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

December 14, 2004
10:37 PM

Post #1194780

TARogers5, so you've started on one!

I'd hasten to remind you of what I jotted down as "Things to be prepared"
--#1 in particular(for convenience, I repeat it here:used newspaper:8 sheets(wet),20(dry)) .
8 sheets of newspaters are for the slurry, and 20sheets of papers are for the wall.
It wouldn't help to wrap the paper sticks with wrap.
Rather it would spoil the natural looking.
In case you use a pot 20 inches tall, you might stop piling up just where you want.
But be sure not to make it crumble down. Please refer to my reply to lincolnitess
which gives detailes of this .
I wish you good luck !

Tomtom


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barbur
Port Lavaca, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2004
2:05 AM

Post #1202626

ThanksTomtom for your detailed instructions. I can't wait to try it.
rockdrky
Louisville, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 4, 2005
2:04 PM

Post #1319740

Where did you purchase your bowl? What kind of bowl is it? I love the looks of these pots!
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

March 4, 2005
3:04 PM

Post #1319809

Hi rockdrky,
I got this plastic bowl at 100yen shop (Do you have such as one dollar store?)
Of course any big bowl you have will do .
Have a try!

Tomtom


PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

March 5, 2005
12:18 AM

Post #1320679

Tomtom, thanks for the detailed instructions. I luv yours and your friends containers. I'm going to have to try this when it warms up.
:) Donna
nut4spuds
Wichita, KS

March 5, 2005
2:45 AM

Post #1320878

Can Quikcrete be used?
Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

March 5, 2005
3:00 AM

Post #1320907

Can anyone suggest a paper shredder specifically for newspapers? The ones I've seen appear to be mostly stationery types.
crimsontsavo
Crossville, TN
(Zone 7a)

March 5, 2005
10:58 PM

Post #1322035

I can not get over how nice that looks! Now mum and I are planning on making some.
Is there a way to water proof them so we can use them to grow Lotus and reeds?
I wanna make 'rocks' to decorate our ponds edges too. Wonder if they're fish safe.
delphiniumdiva
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 8a)

March 5, 2005
11:41 PM

Post #1322086

Tom Tom - Hi!!!!! Been gone from Dave's long time due to health - just popped on for a minute to see if anything interesting was going on and look what I found! FABULOUS! Love these pots - and may even be able to make one since looks like not a lot of concrete to mix. Thanks Ursula!!!!!!!!!!!
dd
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

March 5, 2005
11:57 PM

Post #1322096

This is one that I tried from TomTom instructions. So far I have made four of them.

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crimsontsavo
Crossville, TN
(Zone 7a)

March 6, 2005
3:06 AM

Post #1322335

Awesome Ta!
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

March 6, 2005
6:03 AM

Post #1322533

Looks great, Ta!! You even put something on it to make it look all sparkly.
:) Donna
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

March 6, 2005
1:11 PM

Post #1322734

Donna,one of the advantages this has is that you can make a fairly good one even at your first try.
So why don't you have a try when it warms up?
-----------------------------------------------------------
nut4spuds,
ordinary cement is more preferable.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Yuska, a shredder whatever kind seems to be better avoided.I myself used it a couple of times ,
but the naturalness of the container was hardly attained with the shredded newspaper.
----------------------------------------------------------
crimsontsavo,
these are porous containers and not good for for water plants.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi, dd,
long time no see! I believe you're now quite well. Thanks for your encouraging word. I'm surethey'll suit your taste well . Just have a try.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Good for you, TARogers 5!!
I couldn't agree with cro,spmtsavo more! Looking forward to more pics with plants in them.
------------------------------------------------------------




crimsontsavo
Crossville, TN
(Zone 7a)

March 6, 2005
7:40 PM

Post #1323401

That's fine- these will be gorgeous with regular plants in them!

OMG! I can make wall pots to put some houseplants in- how sturdy is this stuff?
Can I screw it into my wall and plant in it?

Oh gosh- I've already started thinking about converting this idea into a wall technique- might try it on the lower half of my bedroom to help with the gothic feel. Creativity rocks!
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

March 6, 2005
9:14 PM

Post #1323547

Gothic feel???? We need pictures????
:) Donna
crimsontsavo
Crossville, TN
(Zone 7a)

March 6, 2005
10:12 PM

Post #1323636

Ohh- I'll post pictures as soon as Ginger_H gets here with her camera. It's a 'light goth' inspired room. Gotta get some black spray paint for the accessories and such.
I'll post a thread in the Decorating forum when we get pictures.
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

March 6, 2005
10:52 PM

Post #1323676

Okie, dokie...can't wait!
:) Donna
rockdrky
Louisville, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 13, 2005
5:09 PM

Post #1544306

Hey TomTom,

How much water do I use to mix with the newspaper and cement? I am soaking my newspapers as we speak. I was wondering how much water to include in the mixture. Thanks!
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

June 13, 2005
11:25 PM

Post #1545110

Hi rockdrky,
Put water as much as it soaks 8 newspapers.
When the mixture doesn't get soft enough, add a little more water.

This is one of my recently made papercrete containers.


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Roselaine
North Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8a)

June 14, 2005
2:26 PM

Post #1546435

I'm going to try this method...thanx Tom Tom...Elaine
tracyrae
Gresham, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 14, 2005
5:07 PM

Post #1546951

Tomtom, etal...

What a wonderful idea! I can feel my crafty juices flowing...I love the natural look to these - almost like lava stone! Will these winter outside? I live in Oregon where our winters can be very wet (and our springs can too! :-{ ) I think our winters are similar to Osaka...? or maybe Tokyo...?

Thank you for sharing.

Tracy
Bareroots
Redding, CA
(Zone 8b)

June 20, 2005
6:44 AM

Post #1561471

Ingenious idea and so beautiful and natural looking, cant wait to try it. Thanks so much for sharing!
tracyrae
Gresham, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2005
11:28 PM

Post #1563298

Hi there; me again...does anyone know how winter-worthy these containers are?

Thanks!

Tracy
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

June 21, 2005
9:41 AM

Post #1564268

Roselaine and BarerootsA
Thank you for your kind words. Just have a try.
They are really worth it.

tracyrae,so sorry for my delayed reply.
They surely winter outside so far as it is -5B
I can't tell if they can resist colder temperature.
tracyrae
Gresham, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 21, 2005
4:43 PM

Post #1564966

Thank you, Tomtom, for the information. I am anxious to make my own papercrete pot! Thank you so much for sharing this with us.

Tracy
Liila
Lantana, FL
(Zone 10a)

June 22, 2005
11:16 PM

Post #1568692

Hi!

I have a (dumb) question regarding steps 8-10...

8.Spread each of the dry newspapers left and twist them
into sticks.
9.Make a wall all around the inside of the bowl with the sticks.
10.Press the rest of the slurry inside the wall little by little with a trowel

Now, I twist the newspapers, twirl them *inside* along the sides of the pot on top of the slurry/cement mixture, then press the rest of the slurry *on top* of the twirled newspapers, only to yank the twirled newspapers out of the pot the next day? Why pack the rest of the slurry on, if I'm only going to pull the twirled newspapers off? Won't glueing the twirled newspapers onto the pot with slurry only make them more difficult to remove the next day??

I read the instructions when they were first posted and was embarrassed to ask this question, but now I really, *really* want to make these containers and need to know...

I'm missing something, or maybe I'm having a blonde day (Giggle! I really am a blonde, BTW!)
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

June 24, 2005
12:39 AM

Post #1571450

Hello,Liila,thank you for showing much interest in my thread.

There seems to be some misunderstanding .
In step 9 you don't put any slurry on the inside of a bowl
(some slurry is already placed on the bottom of a bowl);
you just make a wall there by twirling newspaper sticks.
The wall sometimes crumbles,so you press the paper wall with
your hand in case necessary, and place the rest of the slurry on
the wall.
Just give it a try and you'll instantly get the knack.

Good luck


Tomtom
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 30, 2005
3:08 AM

Post #1900334

;)

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 30, 2005
7:03 PM

Post #1901254

Sugarweed, what did you mean by that remark?
xxx, Carrie
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 30, 2005
9:39 PM

Post #1901478

That's a wink in my book. It serves the purpose of bringing an informative old thread back to share. aka Lazy Bump. Makes it easy to find for use too.
Sidney
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

December 1, 2005
2:13 AM

Post #1901916

I have this one saved and do plan on making some one of these days. I love the look, love the idea. Thanks for the lazy bump, sugarweed.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 1, 2005
10:53 PM

Post #1903413

me too, in fact I'm stockpiling shredded newspaper. :-) Haven't done anything yet; it looks like kind of a cold and clammy project...
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

December 8, 2005
6:30 PM

Post #1914346

Tomtom's and friends containers are awesome! I wonder how it would do here in the winter.
:) Donna
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 8, 2005
6:35 PM

Post #1914365

Well if someone would go ahead and make one up there we could find out There also is something to add to concrete to keep it from cracking in the winter.
I just can't remember what it is at the moment.
Maybe sealing the inside so it's not porus and adding ample drain holes.
Sidney

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 8, 2005
6:43 PM

Post #1914376

They do look like they'd be really pretty in the snow , although maybe it would have to be a small evergreen. But a darkish craggy container, with snow decorating all the ridges in it? Gorgeous.

xxxx, Carrie
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

December 8, 2005
8:27 PM

Post #1914555

I wonder if putting latex in the cement would help? Is that what you were thinking, Sidney?
:) Donna

tapla

tapla
Bay City, MI
(Zone 6a)

December 8, 2005
9:08 PM

Post #1914625

Perhaps he is thinking of the fiberglass reinforcing filaments often added to give concrete strength? It's often used in hypertufa.

Al
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 9, 2005
4:54 AM

Post #1915279

I know we used to add something to the trucks of cement I used to pour 1 cubic yard at a time. (With a crane.) I do think it was an acrylic or polymer of some kind.
Sidney

Isn't it great to be a kid in a grown-ups body and not have any mommy or daddy saying "Don't make a mess."? I am ready to retire so I can have playtime all day and do as many projects as I want to.
Sidney...again

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 9, 2005
6:06 PM

Post #1915940

But when we grownup kids make a mess, there's nobody checking up to make sure we clean up! And no parent to sigh and clean up for us when we don't. Lucky we don't have to choose because I'm not sure which one I'd pick :-) .


xxxx, Carrie
kingedking
Inverness, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 10, 2005
9:49 PM

Post #1917992

Tomtom -Thank you for shareing this with us. The pots really look great. It looks like it wouldn't be too hard to use the same technique to make a neat looking wall around a raised bed. That would make a plain old raised bed look absolutely wonderful. Thanks again. Ed

Here is a link to a site that you can make conversions on for just about anything you can think of that may come in handy.. http://www.onlineconversion.com/

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 10, 2005
10:53 PM

Post #1918071

ROTF! LOL! Ed, when you said convert anything into anything, I (snicker snicker snicker) thought it would be converting stuff into other stuff. Like recycled plastic into benches, newspaper and concrete into planters, and who knew what else? Wouldn't that be a great site? And you could type in hash browns and it would tell you how to convert it into crayons. I was crestfallen to find that it was a site to convert any measurement into any other measurement.

xxxx, Carrie

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mlwdad
Saline, MI
(Zone 5b)

December 12, 2005
4:04 PM

Post #1920253

Very nice containers three questions:

How big are newspapers in Japan (might be different than in the US)

Can these planters be painted (with what)

Are they porous, that is do they get wet or damp on the outside

Since the newspaaper answer will be in cm, for those that need to convert: one inch is 2.54cm exactly (They redefined the inch to be that exact number)

Lester
creadman
Rockford, IL
(Zone 5a)

February 26, 2006
7:23 PM

Post #2073187

TomTom,

Do you need to spray something on it for "water proofing"?

Linda
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

February 26, 2006
7:48 PM

Post #2073239

I keep hoping someone has tried this and can give me a better clue how to proceed. I love them but am lost.
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

February 27, 2006
12:31 AM

Post #2073832

Yoohoo TomTom are you growing Nasturstums this year? I am getting ready to plant mine. I hope you are well.
Sidney
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

February 27, 2006
2:20 PM

Post #2074905

Hi, everyone,excuse my delay in answering.

kingedking,
your idea sounds fantastic! I'm playing with the idea of even making a big 'trough' with papercrete. Thank you for valuable info.

mlwdad,
my answers to your questions are:
1) A sheet of Japanese newspapers is generally 31.8"X21.6"
2) You don't paint them. You may put dyes in the stuff if you like before building.
3) Papercrete containeres drain so well that apline plant enthusiasts in Japan are
rather partial to them.
__________________________________________

creadman,
You don't need to spray anything .Use them just like any other containers.

stellapathic
just have a try. I insist.

Thank you,Sidney. I'm well.
Yes, I grow tuber nasturtiums this year too. Some are beginning to bloom.
May your nasturtiums com out beautifully.


Tomtom

Tropaeolum hookerianum

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lisamr
Roseville, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 28, 2006
7:11 PM

Post #2077524

Thank you for the great directions on how to create papercrete containers. I plan on making one as soon as weather permits. Don't think I'll attempt that kind of mess inside. I will post pics of my finished project, wish me luck! LOL :-)

I was wondering what the name of the plant in the pic you posted on June 13, 2005. I love it...almost looks like a type of plectranthus. Anyway, I was hoping to find the name of it so I can try to grow it in my garden.

Thanks,
Lisa
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

February 28, 2006
11:40 PM

Post #2078039

lisamr,
I'm happy that my info is of some use to you.

The plant in my pic is Scutellaria laeteviolacea .
Looking very much forward to seeing the pics of your finished work.

Tomtom
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 7, 2006
9:29 PM

Post #2093947

Well...I attempted the mess indoors and here is the result of my first try. I really feel the pot is too short maybe because I got the walls too thick, but I'm definitely going to do this again!

Thank You Tomtom for the wonderful directions for a very fun project.

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llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 7, 2006
9:31 PM

Post #2093951

the inside measurements ended up being 10" x10" x 3" deep

one more picture...

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Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

March 7, 2006
10:06 PM

Post #2094004

Well done llilyfan !!
I love your first try.
Keep trying !

Tomtom
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 7, 2006
10:14 PM

Post #2094027

Thank You Tomtom for your encouragement.

I think I might use it for some succulents like hens and chicks. I really do love the rough texture of the exterior.

Going to try again early next week when I'm not so busy.
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

March 11, 2006
4:16 PM

Post #2104555

Looks great, Lily! I think it would be perfect for succulents or alpine plants.
:) Donna
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 11, 2006
5:11 PM

Post #2104672

Thanks Donna, it was fun to do and easy! Going to start soaking more newspaper tomorrow!
creadman
Rockford, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 11, 2006
6:42 PM

Post #2104901

Great Job llilyfan. I can't wait to try myself too. Need to stop my mother from throwing out the newspaper! grrr...

Linda
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 12, 2006
12:00 AM

Post #2105607

I seem to have an endless supply! My daughter has a paper route and regularly sends her extras home with me!
beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

March 12, 2006
4:05 PM

Post #2107117

This may be a dumb idea, but I wonder if you could use a plastic garden pot to mold around to get the wanted depth and width and then remove it before it dries?
sugarweed
Jacksonville & Okeec, FL
(Zone 9a)

March 12, 2006
4:16 PM

Post #2107136

That's a great Idea I think.
Sidney
creadman
Rockford, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 12, 2006
5:09 PM

Post #2107245

I wondered if it's runny or semi-stiff when you have the newspaper and cement mix. I might want to try and make a basket like weaving pattern on the outside. Do...able?

Ummmm

Linda
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 13, 2006
12:29 AM

Post #2108411

Linda,
My mixture was semi-stiff, it needed to be able to stay put in a vertical position. If you have something with a weave like patern you could wrap around the inside of your mold I dont see why it wouldnt work...you gave me an idea I'll have to try it on my next creation!

Beaker, Tomtom's directions call for using the inside of your mold or pot to hold the paper in place. I'm not sure how it would work on the outside.

creadman
Rockford, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 13, 2006
5:36 PM

Post #2109923

You probably will need to fill in the spacing on the outside of the basket so it doesn't go through it. Maybe Hot-glue, wood puddy? Something to play around with and see what happens ;)

Linda
dmj1218
west Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

March 15, 2006
3:01 AM

Post #2113474

What's the finished weight on these containers?
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

March 16, 2006
10:32 PM

Post #2117350

The pot shown on march the 5th 2005 was made using a pot inside and filling in between it and the outside pot lined with newspaper. Then I removed the pot befor it dried. You can also just leave the pot inside.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 17, 2006
2:39 AM

Post #2117852

Now you tell us!

xxxxxx, Carrie
diggingit
Chapel Hill, NC
(Zone 7a)

March 19, 2006
2:54 PM

Post #2122952

i'm with liila above: i do not understand steps 8, 9 & 10, and i've re-read the directions & discussion many times.

by step 7 you have a "mold bowl" with a stick across the bottom lined with a plastic sheet. some cement/paper mix has been pushed into the bottom of the "mold bowl" on top of the plastic.

here is where i stop comprehending ... i don't understand the purpose of the twisted newspaper. i don't understand how the container walls are formed. is the cement/paper mixture applied to the inside of the twisted newspaper? or does the twisted newspaper act as a brace to hold the walls against the plastic/"mold bowl" until it hardens?

help!
thank you!
PudgyMudpies
Stockton, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 19, 2006
4:37 PM

Post #2123144

The twisted paper is what gives texture and shape to the outside of the pot. If you look at Tomtoms first picture, you will see the "grooves" on the outside, that is where the paper was. If you did not use the rolled up newspaper, you would just have a flat surface.
So you put your slurry on the bottom to form your base, then you put in your newspaper "sticks" around the sides where you want voids or grooves in the walls and then you start pressing in your cement/paper slurry until the entire inside walls are coated and you no longer see your newspaper sticks. When your pot is dry & you unmold it, you remove the plastic lining and the newspaper sticks off the outside of the pot and TADA! Grooves & texture! :~)
I saw this same project done on an HGTV show I watched a while back but they did not use the newspaper sticks. I really prefer the sticks because it looked so flat without them.
Hope that helps! :~)
Donna
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 19, 2006
5:25 PM

Post #2123209

I made my pot inside a styrofoam cooler. I placed the sticks on the floor of the cooler (these give a drainage tunnel for water) and then put in the plastic bag.

After this I took my cement/paper mixture and placed it in the bottom of the cooler. After making my drainage holes, I took my twisted paper and placed around the perimeter of the cement base.

As I added each round of twisted papers, I built up my cement walls. All of my work was done on the inside of my mold.

It is a lot easier to do than to read. I wasn't fully understanding the directions either but love the look of my pot and am planning on making a taller one. I think my walls are thicker than Tomtoms and so my pot ended up being shorter than I had intended.

I have my newspaper ready to go for tomorrow! We are supposed to get a big snowstorm here so I am ready!
diggingit
Chapel Hill, NC
(Zone 7a)

March 19, 2006
8:07 PM

Post #2123495

THANK YOU pudgie & llily ... your explanations are terrific! the light bulb is "on" :)
thank you thank you thank you!
marsha
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 19, 2006
10:20 PM

Post #2123760

Yippee! Now we wait to see your finished pot!

tapla

tapla
Bay City, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 19, 2006
11:43 PM

Post #2123956

I have been following this thread with great interest. I would like to understand the technique and use the process in a bonsai club workshop. Neither did I understand the directions completely and still have a question. Are the paper sticks stacked on the slurry & then saturated with a cement slurry? If so, will there be exposed paper between the inside of the created container and the plastic liner? Thank you.

Al

llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2006
1:09 PM

Post #2124997

Al, my slurry was rather stiff so did not saturate the twisted paper sticks. If I understand your question correctly, the answer is yes, the paper is exposed between the plastic liner and the formed wall of your new pot. You will be building up the slurry so you will not have any exposed paper on the inside of your pot. The twisted newspapers (I prefer to think of them as ropes) are the actual mold for your pot, the cooler or large pot is just there to give them something to lean against so they don't fall to the outside while building the walls and the pot dries. I did need to keep making sure I wasn't pressing my slurry on to vigorously seperating the paper ropes.

This is so much harder to explain than to do. To quote Tomtom "JUST DO IT! You WILL get the idea as you go through the steps to the completed project!

So here is a very simplified set of directions:

1 place drainage sticks in bottom of pot (cooler,etc.)
2 place plastic bag in pot and smooth out as best as possible
3 place slurry in bottom and smooth out to form bottom
4 make drainage holes
5 start building walls on the slurry with the paper ropes
6 build up the walls with slurry as you form them
7 build up as tall as you want or til you run out of slurry
8 let dry for at least 24 hours (I let mine be for 48 in the closed cooler)
9 remove from mold by lifting out the plastic bag carefully and remove paper ropes which will be on the outside of your new pot.
10 let cure

Here is a pic of my paper ropes: about 30 inches long on average

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llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2006
1:15 PM

Post #2125011

and here is a pic of the paper ropes against the wall of the mold with the slurry built up on the inside. It is sort of like building a sandwich. the mold and plastic bag are a slice of bread the paper is the filling and the slurry is the second slice of bread. :-)

Have fun now! and I'm waiting for more pictures of new papercrete pots!
Sue

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TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2006
4:39 PM

Post #2125486

Tom tom got a question. How is you get the form on the first photo to be so large on the distance between the folds. Using the rope twisted it makes the folds small. Do you just add more sheets in the twist to make in more exzagerated.
KatyMac
So. Puget Sound, WA
(Zone 8b)

March 20, 2006
7:14 PM

Post #2125869

I'm betting Roger that this is perfect for someone like me. I can just see thick/thin 'ropes' with wads shoved in the thin spots. LOL So 'natural' looking. Yours are so neat!
AnnetteG
Hillsborough, NJ
(Zone 7b)

April 7, 2006
1:40 PM

Post #2170955

And... where did TomTom go? Perhaps he is immersed in one of his works of art?!
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

April 7, 2006
6:14 PM

Post #2171693

TomTom is a she, and I think I saw some new container plantings posted somewhere around here recently. She sure does a beautiful job with them, doesn't she?

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

April 7, 2006
7:50 PM

Post #2171878

llilyfan,
THANK YOU for posting a picture that speaks A THOUSAND WORDS! I was sooooooooooooo TOTALLY confused, but I get it now. This is really just a simple, gradeschool, Papier Mache' project! I couldn't figure out where the twisted paper went, but like I said...

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

April 7, 2006
7:52 PM

Post #2171882

One more thing. What keeps the twisties from getting hardened into the cement slurry as you build up the "walls" of the container? And, can you wad the paper twisties up not-so-precisely to create varying texture?
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 8, 2006
12:27 PM

Post #2173460

yes, you can wad if you want to! I really don't know what keeps the paper ropes from sticking in the papercrete, maybe the oils in the ink? You might have some paper stuck in the wadding technique, but I'm sure it will 'disappear' when exposed to some gentle rains or washing.

Yes! a very simple project to do, it really does explain itself as you do it, Thank you for your kind words though, I'm glad I could help.

Here is one I made with bubblewrap instead of newspaper...different LOL!

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Demstratt
Lincoln Park, MI
(Zone 5a)

April 8, 2006
1:33 PM

Post #2173563

Good idea there llilyfan,I sure like the looks of that one..!



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llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 9, 2006
3:17 AM

Post #2175381

Well, its different anyway! I walked across the bubblewrap before using it because I wanted some 'inconsistency' in the pattern. Nothing ventured...nothing gained I still have a couple of things I want to try yet.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 9, 2006
4:24 AM

Post #2175504

I'm anxious to try this, thank you so much Tomtom. I have been working with concrete for months making garden mirrors with plant fossils. I think it would be really interesting to line the "bowl" with vegetation, layers of plant material to create a fossile imprint instead of the newspaper ---- or as well as the newspaper. First lay the plant material then the newspaper for the great textured effect . I really will be experimenting with this.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2006
8:04 PM

Post #2176720

Aguane,
Be sure to show us what you get!
(too chicken to try it yet)
xxxxx, Carrie
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 29, 2006
9:20 PM

Post #2233533

First attempt at a container... I'm Happy with it. Sedum will grow in no time. I used a shoe box for the form. Pressed plant material is fountain grass and rosemary.

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Gardening_in_GA
Chickamauga, GA
(Zone 7a)

April 29, 2006
10:03 PM

Post #2233618

Looks great Aguane! I will need to come up with something like this for my Coleus I want to plant but dont have anything in mind to use!
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2006
12:58 AM

Post #2234022

Wow! I really like it... I am getting my nerve up!
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 30, 2006
1:28 AM

Post #2234106

I love it! Really a great job! So happy to see others trying this project.
Demstratt
Lincoln Park, MI
(Zone 5a)

April 30, 2006
2:57 AM

Post #2234350

Very nice...

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 30, 2006
6:38 PM

Post #2235878

Great ideas, shoeboxes, bubble wrap! I especially like the idea that it doesn't have to be bowl shaped! Maybe someday...
xxx, Carrie
caitlinsgarden
McGregor, IA
(Zone 4b)

April 30, 2006
7:10 PM

Post #2235946

It looks like it might have a lot of potential for making those large, expensive type of outdoor containers - like the terra cotta ones or maybe a kind of greeny color - I would imagine any kind of texture or pattern could be impressed on the outside, perhaps even mosaic? Hmmmm...(wheels starting to turn...)
Sharon

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 30, 2006
7:31 PM

Post #2235991

Watch those wheels, Sharon! I run over my own toes, the children, etc.
xxx, Carrie
mudpie50
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5a)

June 12, 2006
6:47 PM

Post #2382295

Hi everyone. Newbie here. I am sooo glad I found this thread! I'm going to a cementitious/mosaic workshop this weekend in Wisconsin and I'm going to ask if they know this process. Can't wait for school to be over so I can add this to my other concrete projects. More pictures please. Let's keep this going. Most of the gardeners I know here in Chi Town aren't very adventurous. :(
LindaCA
Concord, CA
(Zone 9a)

June 12, 2006
7:18 PM

Post #2382370

Thanks for bumping this back up. I have been meaning to try this for months. Even got all the materials went as far as soaking the newspaper but something can up and I never followed through.
Now I am determined to try this. I love the look and it looks like fun.
Thanks Linda
lovedirtynails
Portland, OR

June 12, 2006
7:23 PM

Post #2382382

tomtom, thanks so much for your contribution. I am going to try it, even though I am not the most handy person around. wish me luck!
lovedirtynails
Portland, OR

June 12, 2006
7:31 PM

Post #2382419

Before I get started, I was wondering how these planters drain...
PudgyMudpies
Stockton, CA
(Zone 9a)

June 12, 2006
8:09 PM

Post #2382557

you poke holes where you want them in the wet cement.
knolan
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 13, 2006
3:04 AM

Post #2384321

What a fantastic and beautiful project. I will definitely have to try to make one of these.

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

June 13, 2006
9:57 PM

Post #2386973

Hi Knolan,
I'm right up the road from you in Houston near Hobby Airport! Welcome to the forum! What grows in your Sugarland Garden? Do you frequent Joseph's Nursery on 518?
knolan
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 13, 2006
10:18 PM

Post #2387034

Hi Gymgirl...you're not far at all. Thanks for the welcome.

I've never been to Joseph's. What kind of stuff do they carry?

I grow lot's of stuff. In the front, mainly flowers and flowering trees (esperanzas, chaste, bougainvilla, mandevilla, durantas, crepes, lantanas, agapantus, some cannas, four o'locks, passion flower, bower vine). On the porc, LOT's of succulents and herbs and in the back I have a rose bed, a vegetable garden that is just about finished (tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini, okra, green beans, peppers of all sorts, basil, shallots, chives, lettuce (not anymore), and a cacti bed with giant aloes, agave, oleander and arabian jasmine.

What grows in your world?

Kristi

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
4:18 PM

Post #2389688

Good Lord! That's a mouthful! I'm just a newbie with some Canna Stuttgarts and Cleopatras, coleus, dusty miller, hostas, geraniums, ferns (I have a Tasmanian Tree fern -- looks like a hairy sago palm); I'm also growing Sago Palms (have counted upwards of 60 on the property, so far); Vincas, petunias, Sweet Potato Vines (Blackie & Margarita). I'm also nursing a badly damaged Persian Shield back to life. Hope it survives.

Here's a pic of my Sago nursery out back.

Stay in touch.

Linda

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FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

June 14, 2006
5:47 PM

Post #2389910

Okay, Gymgirl, you asked for it:: I bought a sago from Lowe's. It's smaller than the little one in the picture next to the red pot on the top left. Now it's turning brown. I have it sitting on a table in the kitchen. It gets east light, but it's inside. I know TX is not TN, but what do I need to do to make it happier? Thanks for your wise words :)

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
6:23 PM

Post #2390027

Stop watering until your Sago drys out almost completely. They prefer to be on the dry side and root-bound in their pots. When it gets bigger over time, repot it to a pot only the next size up from the one it came out of (or no more than 1-2" more in diameter). The roots grow in a spiral, like a coil) under the soil, so keep it in a tight spiral when you repot.

Make sure that the Sago "ball" sits right on top of the soil. It should not be buried under in the soil or any more than 1/3 down into the soil. Sagos seem to take in oxygen through that ball and need to breathe.

Finally, I've heard that Sagos put out only one new set of fronds per year (which is why the older ones are so valuable - it took time to get all those layers). I observed that mine put out new shoots beginning in April. I have Asian Leaf Scale (those white spots, which are parasites sucking the juice out of the leaves). I cut all the fronds off the diseased Sagos and treated the whole Sago population with NEEM Concentrate. This stuff is really good. Once treated and the diseased plants settled down from the "shock," they threw out new fronds! Some have even given me two sets! They are a pleasure to work with.



P.S. Even though it's in the house, it will adapt to your light conditions. I think water is your issue. Use some Miracle Grow fertilizer for Acid Loving plants every now and again. Not too much, maybe once every 3-4 months.

Don't be afraid to let it dry out!

Hope I've been helpful. Keep me posted on your results.

Linda

P.S.S. I priced Sagos on sale at HD and Lowes. The big one in the bottom of my post was selling for $99.00. I told my DH I wanted to start a Sago patch and give them away as Christmas gifts...and I'm doing this just for fun?!
PudgyMudpies
Stockton, CA
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
6:46 PM

Post #2390094

Back on topic, has anyone made any large ones? I have a big round plastic bucket that they sell as toy buckets, has rope handles, 3'x3', you know what I am talking about? Anyway, I am thinking of making one in that but am unsure if I will need reinforcing. Chicken wire maybe? I am afraid the weight of the wet soil pressing against it when full would cause stress cracks. Please tell me what you think. Thanks! :~)
knolan
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
8:32 PM

Post #2390411

When I ge around to trying this I'm going to press silk ferns in while it's still wet and then pull them out when dry. I did this on my bathroom walls with wet compound and then stained. Came out looking like fossils. I think the technique would work on this type of pot as well.

PudgyMudpies, I would definitely reinforce and chicken wire sounds like a safe bet.

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
8:58 PM

Post #2390507

Knowlan,
There's a post on the Papercrete thread with a fossilized container, just as you propose.. .. it came out great!
knolan
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
9:24 PM

Post #2390589

Oooohh...just found it. That is nice. I pulled the plants out after it dried and an indention was made in the wall. Then I painted it and added a stain. I know this isn't a garden pic. but it's an idea for the papercrete.

Whaddya think?

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Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

June 14, 2006
9:26 PM

Post #2390606

Yeah, that looks great! Good luck.

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

October 27, 2006
8:43 PM

Post #2856593

BUMP!
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

October 27, 2006
10:25 PM

Post #2856858

Gymgirl, I promise I won't say anything else about my sago palm after this post. I did as you suggested, and mine has put out new fronds. So maybe it's gonna be okay. Thank you for your good advice.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 27, 2006
11:49 PM

Post #2857084

Darn, all LAST fall/winter/spring I said it was too cold and yucky to do Papercrete OUTSIDE and too messy to do INSIDE. Well, here it is again, too cold to get all wet and messy OUTSIDE! LOL! The June posts should have been all the kick in the butt I needed. Oh well... my 15 year old daughter was melting down or maybe it was really crashing and burning in June.

xxxxx, Carrie
ah_hoya
vancouver
Canada

October 28, 2006
8:04 PM

Post #2859500

These pot are terrific! I love the natural look.

I'm going to have to try this.

I heard reports of papercrete getting mushy and moldy.
How long will these containers last in a damp environment. Could they be sealed with concrete sealer?

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

October 30, 2006
2:14 PM

Post #2864851

FlowrLady!

Don't you DARE stop talking about your Sago Palms! As the not-so-new NEWBIE to DG, I am truly excited that ANYTHING I said worked!!!

Please, please, please, tell me everything you did and keep me posted on your progress. Post a picture and tell me about your growing conditions. As we share, we also learn from one another, and this helps me remember what I need to do, as well!

Thank your eversomuch for sharing.

P.S. If you don't want to hijack or bore this thread with Sago Palm talk, send me a d-mail!

Hugs and Congratulations!

Linda
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

October 30, 2006
7:03 PM

Post #2865814

Linda, you have dmail.
hey_jude
Scottsdale, AZ

October 31, 2006
5:24 AM

Post #2867678

Tomtom, thanks for rsharing tis technique. It's wonderful to see what a little imagination can do and this is so simple too. Most anyone could make one, I think and no two will ever be the same. They're great !!


I have got to try making these pots. I wonder how large it's possible to make them without having the whole thing collapse, I'll find out and let you know.
hey_jude
Scottsdale, AZ

October 31, 2006
9:33 PM

Post #2869673



This message was edited Oct 31, 2006 4:03 PM
ah_hoya
vancouver
Canada

October 31, 2006
10:02 PM

Post #2869794

Hi pweelee
They build houses from papercrete so I don't think you have to worry about them collapsing.
Papercrete is tough but some recipes are prone to getting mushy if kept too damp.

Take a look at this papercrete statue.
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/hypertufa/msg1019075321017.html?19
Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 1, 2006
1:21 PM

Post #2871522

And here is one of several reports on building construction
http://www.livinginpaper.com/
hey_jude
Scottsdale, AZ

November 1, 2006
1:49 PM

Post #2871608

Thank you both, got the message loud and clear. It'll be a few weeks til I can get to these but will post pics after.

Thanks again
jay92
sydney
Australia

November 7, 2006
7:39 AM

Post #2889933

Thanks Tom Tom, I am looking forward to trying this, will keep you informed.

Congradulations Japans horses won our very biggest race today.
AuntB
NE, KS
(Zone 5b)

November 7, 2006
9:14 PM

Post #2891986

Seems kind of like hypertufa... Thanks for such easy instructions, Tomtom. I want to try this next spring. Really enjoying reading everyone's comments. And thanks for "bumping" this thread back to life, Gymgirl.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 8, 2006
2:13 AM

Post #2892896

I've used this technique several times and love it. Thank you Madam TomTom! You need to really soak the shredded newspaper for days and mix it and break it up. Don't want any clumps of soggy newsprint stuck in the midst of your concrete. I've made several planters that I'm very happy with.
missg
Philadelphia, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 8, 2006
10:39 AM

Post #2893519



Aguane, Can you post pictures of your planters. pleeeeease.
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

November 8, 2006
3:43 PM

Post #2894315

I was going to ask the very same thing. Pics please!
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 9, 2006
2:04 AM

Post #2896182

Hi all, Its nighttime and I just took a couple of pics of two of the planters I can get to... The rectangle planter was framed in a shoe box and the round-ish one framed in a roughly woven basket. They are small and hold sedum and some Jade plant. When making these I just line the 'shoebox' with plastic from the cleaners, Line the bottom of the frame with 1/2 inch of papercrete, begin to build up the sides evenly with the papercrete, patting and compacting and laying vegetation against the planter outside as you go I guess you could embed anything you like. Once you've reached to rim, smooth it out as you like, rustic is OK. Cut the necessary number and size of holes for drainage. Push the left over plastic bag into the center so as to keep the wall's integrity while drying. Wait a few days, the more the better. Voila. Dirt and plants. As you can see when the container dries I keep all the vegetation in the cement. Just the way I like it. Dusty Miller sticks really well... I've also used Rosemary on this one. I've used grasses in the mirrors I've made with papercrete and plain old concrete. I love doing this stuff. Sorry for the fuzzyness of the pics but you get the idea.

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Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 9, 2006
2:05 AM

Post #2896184

The round-ish one...

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Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 9, 2006
2:07 AM

Post #2896188

Mirror I made a couple of years ago ... some may have seen this already.

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Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 9, 2006
2:08 AM

Post #2896196

The 'shoebox' planter the first day. I've posted this before as well.
Hope you all try this technique TomTom shared... its fun.

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hey_jude
Scottsdale, AZ

November 9, 2006
2:14 AM

Post #2896215

Aguane, they're simply great. I'm so glad you posted pics for us.
happy_macomb
Chevy Chase, MD
(Zone 7a)

November 9, 2006
9:48 AM

Post #2896826

The mirror is lovely -- how did you make that?
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 9, 2006
1:19 PM

Post #2897201

Hap-
Thank you for the nice compliments! I had posted comments and some instruction on how to make these mirrors at the Garden Art Forum. Here's a link. If you page through you'll see my entries and other useful comments on making these mirrors.

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/663830/
turbosbabe96
Ingleside, TX
(Zone 9a)

November 18, 2006
3:19 AM

Post #2923909

Wow!! These are so super cool! I am going tomorrow to get the few things I need to do these! I think they will look GREAT around my water garden!!! Thanks for the info!!!

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 18, 2006
8:13 PM

Post #2925358

Turbo-

I haven't made any myself, but I think the question came up before, and the answer came back (from Japan!) that the papercrete is not hard enough to withstand constant water.

xxx, Carrie (a lurker)
turbosbabe96
Ingleside, TX
(Zone 9a)

November 20, 2006
7:02 AM

Post #2929987

Well, dookie-doo! Here I was gettin all excited..But wait..I wont put them IN the water garden..Only around it..like container plants..This will work wont it??
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

November 21, 2006
2:44 AM

Post #2932766

I should work for you! Papercrete shouldn't be used where water will be running over it ... Can deteriorate. But mine are about 2 years old and I have no deterioration... not much contact with water since they are planted with succulents and the mirrors themselves have no contact with water. 'course I live in the desert so things here are never even 'damp'.
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

January 30, 2007
11:24 PM

Post #3139883

I wonder if you could use differant color grout mixed with the portland cement to get the color you want?
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

March 24, 2007
10:25 PM

Post #3317051

Anyone heard from Tomtom?
I have been viewing her Web site over the years and it seems its gone or relocated. I found it very informative and beautiful.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2007
9:18 AM

Post #3317949

She sent me some seeds just recently! She'll answer a D-mail quickly. I know she's around here somewhere...

xxx, Carrie
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

March 25, 2007
2:15 PM

Post #3318786

Thanks Carrie!
mjfulgham
Madison, MS

April 3, 2007
7:52 AM

Post #3350045

Has anyone else made any of these? If so, would you mind sharing your photos?! Thanks

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
8:25 AM

Post #3350143

I've read that papercrete is the same as the other stuff, hypertufa? Something like that. Except in papercrete there is newspaper for texture and the other stuff uses steel girders, or aluminum screen, or something easier to work with and less texture-full. I've been wanting to try it (papercrete) for a year and a half, but circumstances just haven't been right.

xxx, Carrie

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
8:38 AM

Post #3350173

Take a look at this, it IS the same. Lots of pictures.

http://www.efildoog-nz.com/hypertufa.htm

xxxx, Carrie
Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 3, 2007
11:35 AM

Post #3350686

Hypertufa uses peat moss (or more recently, coir - shredded coconut husks, a renewable resource) rather than paper. Both mediums can be used with reinforcing wire or other metal choices for support and strength, especially with larger projects or pieces that will hold plants. Yuska

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

April 3, 2007
1:47 PM

Post #3351103

I dmailed TomTom a few weeks back, letting her know we wanted to see what she was up to this spring. She hadn't done a lot this season, and didn't think her posts would be "worthy!" I told her that her WORSE pics would be our greatest JOY to behold!

She said she'd look for something worthy to post, so stay tuned.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
2:51 PM

Post #3351301

She has a thread called 'container starts' or something like that - lovely and amazing!


xxx, Carrie
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
9:20 PM

Post #3352415

Really good links, Carrie. Thanks!
ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 7, 2007
12:20 PM

Post #3365222

I just wanted to Thank You TomTom for this thread! I gave the info to an elderly lady across the street that was going crazy from boredom.. She made several pots, and gave me quite a few, but this one is my favorite!

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ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 7, 2007
12:23 PM

Post #3365233

I also wanted to add... I have one of the first pots she made which ended up breaking in the bottom.. so I pounded out the entire bottom and use it in my flower bed like a border.. I build up the soil and plant inside it.. no one knows it doesn't have a bottom AND the plant gets much more room for roots! It's just a ring! LOL
I don't have a picture right now, but hopefully soon.
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2007
9:34 PM

Post #3367064

The pot you pictured looks like the top of a man's trousers/jeans. It's neat!
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 12, 2007
3:37 AM

Post #3488780

Though it seems that no one posts on this thread anymore, I wanted to post my efforts at papercrete. I made these for a Main Street Festival in my hometown of Dillon, SC, but sold only one. I was attempting to sell them for 10.00 and 15.00 and didn't think that too much, but apparently everybody else did! I didn't mind too much, though, because I wanted them myself!

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sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 12, 2007
3:42 AM

Post #3488791

This was my first attempt, but I got the slurry too wet and had to keep adding cement. It turned out to be much too heavy, but it should be a sturdy one!

I haven't planted anything in them yet, but will post again when I do.
They look so much better with plants growing in them.

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chris_lcf530
Peachtree City, GA
(Zone 7b)

May 12, 2007
3:49 AM

Post #3488863

sos, they look great to me! I dont think the "outside world" can appreciate them without plants in them. Some people just dont have the vision. Even if you put a few coleus clippings in each one, I think you would sell them all. I still need to make a few more, but I need them to be kinda big so I have been procrastinating. Spring planting is almost done so I should get to them soon.
Great job!
chris
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 12, 2007
7:26 PM

Post #3490406

sos, thanks for posting your work. It looks great to me. I think I'll be doing my first ones this summer. A few of us are getting together (I think) as moral support when we try our first one. If I had a camera...I'd post hte results here!

Post any time you want to. I love to see the different ideas that people have had.
dmac085
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 12, 2007
8:20 PM

Post #3490557

I love how rustic the containers look! The plants look so much more enhanced with the rough textured planters. I think I might give this a try soon. I'm always wanting new containers but hate paying for them:LOL: I have a bunch of mini hosta that I think would look great in some of those dark gray planters.
I love all of the photos and everyone's experience making these. It is very inspiring to those of us who haven't quite convinced ourselves to make one yet!
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 13, 2007
5:39 PM

Post #3493239

Thank you Tom Tom for the instructions and everyone else who has shared. This looks fun and the planters are incredible. I can't wait to try one.
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 14, 2007
3:29 AM

Post #3494910

Thanks Everyone for your positive comments. I'm sure you're right, Chris, that they needed to be planted with something appropriate in order to properly display, but I did slip some already potted plants into a couple of them. I really think the Main Street Festival was the wrong venue for selling pots. People didn't want to have to lug them back to their cars that were parked several blocks away.

My daughter plans to take this pot to her dentist tomorrow and hopes he will want to purchase it for his home or office. I planted it tonight with a succulent that I know only as Ghost Plant. It will grow anywhere!

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justfurkids
Toone, TN
(Zone 7a)

May 14, 2007
2:07 PM

Post #3495906

Some of my midsouth friends are getting together in July for a hypertufa demo at a local Summer Celeration and we are planning to come back to my place to give it a try.

I am thinking that this papercrete technique might actually be better to try as my friends could take their pieces home with them that day. (Not such a good idea with hypertufa) Do y'all think the would survive a roadtrip back to their homes (between 1 and 2 hours)?

carol
PS I just love all your pieces. True works of art that make regular containers seem boring!
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 14, 2007
10:34 PM

Post #3497351

I need some help on what type of "cement" to get. There are a couple of different kinds.

Do I need to buy plain cement or the stuff that has lime in it? I see concrete mix, and the guy at HD said that mortar mix would probably work, but I want to get the right mix.

What have you used?
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 15, 2007
4:28 AM

Post #3498713

Wow! My daughter sold the pot to our dentist for $20.00 and he wants more! He's recently redone his home patio and thinks my pots will be a wonderful addition. I have visions of starting a little cottage industry. LOL I planted more Ghost Plants in two other pots today, but haven't taken pictures yet.

justfurkids, I'm sorry, I don't know if the papercrete would survive a trip. I covered mine with plastic and left them under my back steps for 24 hours before uncovering them and removing them from the mold. I removed as much of the newspaper as possible while they were still not fully dry. Then I wrapped them back up in the plastic for another 24 hours before washing them to remove the rest of the newspaper. Someone may know better than I as to whether or not they would survive a 1 or 2 hr. trip. I would think they could, especially if they are wrapped up good. Perhaps you might want to open them up after getting them home and check to make sure the mixture hasn't fallen in on itself. I don't think the papercrete would be so hardened in a couple of hours that you couldn't just push the walls back into place if they did fall down.

rustyswoman, I used plain cement, not mortar mix. It was from Lowe's and I think it was Sakrete. But be aware that Sakrete makes mortar mix, Quickcrete and all sorts of stuff. I think the plain cement does have lime in it. Just make sure it isn't anything but plain cement since you'll be using paper in place of rocks or whatever is in mortar.
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2007
1:40 PM

Post #3499584

It seems like my old memory is pulling Porter Cement out...

Carol, I like papercrete because it is lightweight. The regular hypertufa, I think I remember... is heavy.
Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2007
3:51 PM

Post #3499966

And papercrete uses a renewable resource, paper (wood pulp) that might otherwise be sent to landfills. Hypertufa uses peat, which nature created over long periods of time and which has been dangerously overharvested. Coir (shredded coconut hulls) can be substitued but has to be ordered if not available locally and usually is provided in dry blocks that are not easy to pulverize.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 15, 2007
4:07 PM

Post #3500029

Wow, Yuska, great point. I still haven't dared to make my first papercrete anything - but I still think it's a great idea. It's a question of logistical set-up - most tables DON'T reach over my wheelchair arms, or my WC arms are too high to fit under most tables. It CAN be done.. but it needs to be thought through very carefully before I'm up to my elbows in Portland cement.

xx, Carrie

purchased containers:

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imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

May 15, 2007
4:38 PM

Post #3500107

Carrie, what a beautiful collection...and all my colors, too!
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 15, 2007
4:42 PM

Post #3500120

Thank you sos and flowerlady, now I can start!

Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2007
4:53 PM

Post #3500150

Carrie, a couple of suggestions. Work with small objects at first. I have a pamphlet that shows making birdhouses. And for practice, why not try papier mache? An oldtime craft that uses simple materials most folks have readily at hand. Not suitable for holding water but can last a very long time. A umbrella holder made of this material sat just inside my grandmother's front door for some thirty years. Here is just one of many references to the process. http://www.papiermache.co.uk/exec/cms-gallery/p-jackie/

Yuska

Editing to add - this technique can be adapted to the making of pinatas.

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Yuska
San Antonio, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 15, 2007
7:13 PM

Post #3500537

Another thought or two re the work surface, Carrie. There are "lifters" available for bedframes that would maybe give a work table enough height for you. Or perhaps someone could setup enough concrete blocks for ends that would give enough height for a couple of planks or slip a plank at the appropriate levels between two opened stepladders.
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 16, 2007
2:48 AM

Post #3502205

FlowrLady, I went to Lowe's today and checked out the cement. You were close--it's Portland cement. Porter would have been close enough to find the right stuff.

At Lowe's I also found a plant for the first pot I made. It was such a light gray color I thought it needed something with burgundy tones. I wanted a grass, but they were all too big, so I settled for this tropical plant. Don't remember the name and the one I bought didn't have a tag. Some of you DGers might know the name...

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FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 16, 2007
3:44 AM

Post #3502355

That looks great with your pot! I've seen that plant before, and I'm sure I knew the name that day, but I don't know it now... You did good!!!
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 16, 2007
3:56 AM

Post #3502375

sos210_14

Your pot is fantastic. I love the way the plant compliments the pot and vice versa. And thanks for the reply on the portland cement. I'll go to Lowes
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 16, 2007
3:57 AM

Post #3502378

Yeah, sorry I called the cement by the wrong name. I can't ever remember the real name, but like you said, what I said is close enough for someone to find it. (I hope!!!)
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 16, 2007
4:01 AM

Post #3502383

Thank you also FlowrLady. It was very close and I am sure that someone at Lowes would have known what it was from Porter. I couldn't find anything close at Home Depot. Hmmm?
It's time for me to go home. Go to bed. Finally got my work done at the office and even got to play on DG's a bit

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 16, 2007
5:07 PM

Post #3503811

Yuska,

We got those risers once - no good, not solid enough and ugly as sin. I don't think they'd take any leaning on them or accidental banging or the way I move when I'm in my electric cruuiser, LOL. I think I'll ask my DH to whip me up something from PVC pipe. Of course he "whips" stuff up over a period of four to six months!

x,C

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 16, 2007
7:03 PM

Post #3504175

That plant almost looks like a Wandering Jew...
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

May 17, 2007
3:29 PM

Post #3507284

Has anyone tried molding papercrete? I'm thinking of trying it in my 1/2-sphere mold...
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 17, 2007
7:54 PM

Post #3508092

Gymgirl, It does look a lot like Wandering Jew, however, I went to another Lowe's today and found out that it's Moses in the Cradle. It's an annual and likes part sun/part shade. That's where I put it, except that it's going to get our hot afternoon sun. If it seems to wilt I'll have to move it when our temps get into the triple digits. Ugh! I don't look forward to those days. Fortunately they are usually relatively few and not for prolonged periods.
happy_macomb
Chevy Chase, MD
(Zone 7a)

May 17, 2007
8:21 PM

Post #3508176

imapigeon: I'm quite certain it will work in a mold. I recall a thread where the poster explained how to make beautiful mirrors and frames out of papercrete.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

May 18, 2007
12:19 AM

Post #3508916

sos,

That grows in full sun here in S. FL...it grows in full shade...take your pick.



Hap
MsKatt
Mid-Michigan, MI
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2007
12:55 AM

Post #3509047

I soooooo want to try this. I have tons of places where I'd like put some of these papercrete containers. I think my 8 and 10 yr olds would LOVE to help. :) Thanks so much for the information and the photos.

Michelle
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

May 18, 2007
4:31 AM

Post #3509877

Excellent! Thanks for the info, happy! I'll give it a try and report the results. I've been saving my shredded paper...

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 18, 2007
2:26 PM

Post #3510757

Moses WAS a wanderer...
Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2007
9:33 PM

Post #3511987

I do have a question, since I'm going to HD or Lowe's to get my cement . . . when I get to mixing the slurry and cement, do I first mix the cement according to directions, or just use the water that is in with the slurry to mix with the cement powder?

Sorry if it seems a silly question . . . I've read thru the thread twice, but couldn't find where it might have been mentioned - and I don't want to mess it up!

Nichole

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 18, 2007
10:24 PM

Post #3512084

I believe the dry cement mixed with the water produces what they are calling "slurry." You keep adding the water to the dry cement until it's the right consistency and produces a "slurry" that won't collapse on itself as you mash it against the walls of your mold. It should have enough "body" to it to stand up, but not be so stiff you can't mold it.

Hope I'm on track here...
chris_lcf530
Peachtree City, GA
(Zone 7b)

May 18, 2007
10:29 PM

Post #3512093

It is the newspaper that makes the slurry, you add the portland to that. Wether it is wet or dry when you add it, I dont know. When I made the hypertuffa, I added dry portland to my wet mix.
Someone who knows will come along.
chris

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 18, 2007
10:35 PM

Post #3512110

Syrumani,
click on the link below. It's a picture from WAAAAAAAAAAAAY up above of what TomTom meant by "slurry." Click on the picture in that post. The third one down looks like a bowl of smooth oatmeal. That's the slurry!

Thanks, lcf530. The slurry is made from mashing up the strips of newspaper with the water, until you get that oatmeal consistency!

http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=1177374

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Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 18, 2007
10:39 PM

Post #3512122

Syrumani,

If you click on the pics in TomTom's posts, there are more pics there than in the little thumbnails. She shows you step-by-step most of what she's talking about. Don't forget to click on a pic!
justfurkids
Toone, TN
(Zone 7a)

May 19, 2007
2:13 PM

Post #3513795

SOS210_14your plant is a tropiclal perennial hardy in zone 9 and 10
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/650.html

Rhoeo, Moses in a cradle or Oyster Plant.
I grew lots of it in FL and you will see it heavily used in landscapes there. Make sure and bring it inside before a hard freeze and it will live quite a long time.

Looks lovely in your papercrete pot!
Well done!
carol

PS Thanks for your responses regarding traveling with newly made papercrete works of art. I've decided to provide plywood bases to make transport easier for my quests.
Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 19, 2007
9:29 PM

Post #3514664

My DH thinks I am soooooo insane! I have my bucket of slurry just about ready. I am glad he went with me to HD this morning - that bag of PC looked awful heavy! I also got liquid dye - one charcoal and one red. I am just waiting for the kids to go to bed tonite so I can have some peace mixing everything together, and into the pots!

Nichole
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2007
1:09 AM

Post #3515375

Good luck, Nichole. I've got my fingers crossed for you. I am so glad you're doing it!!!
sos210_14
Dillon, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 20, 2007
5:52 AM

Post #3516020

Carol, thanks for the information about Moses in a cradle. It sounds like it grows like a weed in South FL, but I don't think we have to worry about it being invasive in 7b. I'm particularly glad to learn about the toxic aspect. We don't have children around, but it sounds like I need to be careful handling it. Best wishes with your papercrete party! Hope you'll post some pictures.

Nichole, you'll be hooked when you see the results of even your first pot! I hope you'll post some pictures, too.

Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

May 20, 2007
11:40 AM

Post #3516173

Hi papercrete lovers,
So glad this thread has had such a number of visitors.
It's my GREAT pleasure if the thread is of some use to you.

Tomtom

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chris_lcf530
Peachtree City, GA
(Zone 7b)

May 20, 2007
11:54 AM

Post #3516194

Tomtom,
That is great, I need to make one that is tall like that. What did you use for the outside form instead of the twisted newspaper?

chris
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 20, 2007
12:54 PM

Post #3516325

I think I am ready to try one, but I don't know why we need the stick across the bottom of the pot? Can anyone tell me?
Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2007
1:47 PM

Post #3516488

rustyswoman - I think it's to give the water a way to get out, once it gets thru the hole . . .

Tomtom - I'd like to make bigger ones, too . . . what is the biggest you have made w/papercrete?
Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2007
3:14 PM

Post #3516673

I don't know . . . is it supposed to look . . . juicy?
rustyswoman
Eagle, ID

May 20, 2007
7:51 PM

Post #3517333

Thanks, I understand now.
kalika22
Denham Springs, LA
(Zone 8b)

May 22, 2007
3:17 AM

Post #3522196

Those pots are simply beautiful! I am jealous, I just don't have the room to take up a project like that.

Oh but when I buy a house, it's on. ;)

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

May 22, 2007
10:34 PM

Post #3524757

kalika22,
I like your spirit! I bought my first home in December 2004!
Equilibrium

May 31, 2007
9:43 PM

Post #3558587

Another definite to add to my ever growing "to do" list. Spectacular!
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

July 14, 2007
1:02 AM

Post #3733486

Bump, for you Carol...
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)

July 14, 2007
2:15 AM

Post #3733768

Nifty!!!! TomTom, do you get your irregular shapes by just wadding the newspaper differently???

I think there are a couple of woment doing this here in Hawaii and they call them Lava Pots (because we have the active volcano and lots of lava) and they sell them for a fortune!!!

Can anyone think of a reason why an interesting planter bed of irregular shape couldn't be made???? Maybe with a form out of wood...hmmmmm...can you smell the smoke of brain cells frying??????

Thanks so much, Stella... and all of you for your great creativity!!!
shokwave30
Chino, CA

July 15, 2007
4:43 PM

Post #3738801

with some imagination and ingenuity the possiblities are endless with these
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

July 15, 2007
11:21 PM

Post #3739924

For irregular shapes I think a chicken wire frame has a better chance at longevity than wood.
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

July 17, 2007
7:16 PM

Post #3747116

Chicken wire weighs a lot less, too.
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)

July 20, 2007
7:32 PM

Post #3759789

KEWL!!!! I really need to get some time!!!!!
stellapathic
Cambria, CA
(Zone 10a)

July 20, 2007
7:54 PM

Post #3759879

I can't wait to see what you create Carol.
ManicReality
Houston, TX
(Zone 10a)

July 25, 2007
1:31 AM

Post #3775834

Tomtom you totally rock! Linda you totally rock too for passing me the link! :D this is so coool...and ah_hoya you totally rock for the link you posted on here too... I'm wanting to sculpt something with this. These pots would also look wonderful around my lil koi pond I'm building in the front yard - its a 90 gal preformed... been piecing it together over a few months now.

Also after reading the thread up to here it would seem that if people make buildings out of this material, that it could hold up to quite a bit of water. Please tell me if I'm mistaken... I'm thinking rain water, or even, why not build a waterfall out of several 'leaning' pots???

Did Linda want moses in a boat? Dstarz (I think) gave me one at the meetup, If you'd like we could meet up sometime with a cutting... (I work in the med center on Fridays)

This is pretty exiting read, thank you very much :)
lcosden
Pawling, NY
(Zone 5b)

July 25, 2007
3:25 AM

Post #3776327

This is an awesome thread... Totally gonna try it.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 25, 2007
5:18 PM

Post #3778009

I think the water issue has been addressed wa-a-aaa-ay up there somewhere - I think Tomtom said you couldn't grow plants in water in the papecrete or something along those lines. But I still haven't gotten around to trying it, so I'm no expert.

xx, C
chris_lcf530
Peachtree City, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 25, 2007
6:47 PM

Post #3778386

Water drains out of the papercrete very well, so it is ideal for alpine or rock mini gardens.

chris
ManicReality
Houston, TX
(Zone 10a)

July 25, 2007
9:11 PM

Post #3778940

just wondering

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 26, 2007
12:57 AM

Post #3779806

Am I thinking that it's no good in standing water?
x, C
Cordeledawg
Cordele, GA
(Zone 8a)

July 28, 2007
1:42 AM

Post #3787547

I'm sure you're correct, Carrie, I read at some point way up on the thread that water would deteriate it sooner or later. They would make beautiful planters for a covered porch though. I've been saying to myself that I'd try this technique but I just haven't gotten around to it.
KyWoods
Melbourne, KY
(Zone 6a)

October 15, 2007
9:13 PM

Post #4086346

I thought of this thread when I saw this article on msn--it must be durable, because they build houses with it: http://realestate.msn.com/Improve/green/Article2.aspx?cp-documentid=5545522>1=10534

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 15, 2007
11:27 PM

Post #4086871

Wow, Ky, I started with your msn link and wound up wanting to take a tour of Uzbekistan (sp.?)!

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

October 16, 2007
1:19 PM

Post #4088746

That's great. Only read the article. the links will be later. What a find...

Hap
KyWoods
Melbourne, KY
(Zone 6a)

October 16, 2007
5:04 PM

Post #4089427

Heck yeah, with all the junk mail I get, I may have a house sooner than I thought! LOL

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 16, 2007
5:08 PM

Post #4089444

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. We send ours to The Town.

xx, C

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

October 16, 2007
5:15 PM

Post #4089470

Thanks for the link. I posted the article in the Sustainable Alternatives Forum... http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/gogreen/all/
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/781026/

...and forgot to give you credit for posting it first. Sorry.
KyWoods
Melbourne, KY
(Zone 6a)

October 16, 2007
5:29 PM

Post #4089536

That's ok, darius, great idea! Spread the word!
SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

October 24, 2007
5:46 PM

Post #4118901

I've posted this a couple of different places but haven't gotten any responses. I know there are still people here doing papercrete, so can you help me, please?

I just did my first experiment the other day with Papercrete and I have a couple of questions on the papercrete.

1. Have any of you determined the proper ratio mix of paper slurry to PC for larger papercrete projects? I'd like to make some large containers with it, so any advice & tips would be appreciated.

2. What's the drying time before taking it out of the mold? I took mine out after about 28 hours & part of it broke off.

3. What's the curing time for papercrete before planting in it?

4. Do you seal these inside or out before you use them? If so, with what? Will polyurethane work?

Thanks!!

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 24, 2007
6:27 PM

Post #4119060

No idea but papercrete is showing up outside of DG - like I'll bet if you google it you'll get some hits.

x, C
KatyMac
So. Puget Sound, WA
(Zone 8b)

October 24, 2007
6:32 PM

Post #4119076

SCnewbie, I see you posted on the Hypertufa and Concrete forum. If you do a Search on Papercrete in that forum you will get several hits.
SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

October 24, 2007
7:20 PM

Post #4119226

I've done the search here and although I've found a ton of great info & inspiration, I haven't found anything about the ratio mix & the setting time, although I'm not entirely thru all the threads yet - there are a TON of them..

I'll try goog, tho, and see what comes up there.

Thanks.
KatyMac
So. Puget Sound, WA
(Zone 8b)

October 24, 2007
9:45 PM

Post #4119727

Actually, the recipe is at the top of this thread. As are step by step instruction and photos.
SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

October 24, 2007
10:09 PM

Post #4119819

Thanks, but I've read this entire thread a couple of times and it's not telling me what I want to know.

What does "8 sheets of paper" equate to in volume measurement? That's what I want to know. I did a huge amount of paper slurry the other day & mixed one handful of that with one handful of PC until I had the amount I wanted for my project.

Also, although I waited more than 24 hours before taking it out of the mold, it still broke, so I'm wondering what the average "setting" time is.

I'm also wondering about sitting it in a water bath to cure it, like they do hypertufa.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

October 25, 2007
7:05 AM

Post #4121232

SCNewbie:
The questions you ask have everything to do with the climate/zone you're performing your project. Humidity, aridness, heat, cold will have an actual effect on the condition of your medium. And those considerations will have an effect on the "time" issues you bring up.

I can tell you that I've successfully used the papercrete recipe above and adapted it to Zone 9b. Anywhere from 115 degrees to 40 degrees. You must use your own common sense. For example, where I live sometimes I have to CREATE humidity so the 'crete doesn't dry out too rapidly... a cause of breakage. You kind of have to understand how concrete works for you. You feel it and you sense it. Try again.

Lalalalalalala :-)

Good luck on your project.
SCNewbie
Anderson, SC
(Zone 7b)

October 25, 2007
2:02 PM

Post #4121844

Yes, I've seen that now. ;) I took Carrie's suggestion & Goog'd it, and found a lot of sites - thanks, Carrie! Sometimes I forget there's a world out there, because sooooo much info is in here. :)

A lot of those sites were about people building homes out of papercrete, but within that info was a lot of discussion of their different mixes, so I figured out this is a pretty subjective mix.

The one thing I was surprised was that most of them talked about drying their projects immediately & quickly.
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

October 25, 2007
5:21 PM

Post #4122538

Based on my 'memory', I believe you have to let it sit for a week or more, before unmolding, so it won't break. But, that, too, depends on your climate.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 25, 2007
9:01 PM

Post #4123177

You're welcome! :>)

My father's house is made of something similar - Rastra. Apparently although paper is recycled and recyclable, Portland Cement is very hard on the environment. I was looking into Rastra when I saw all the mentions of Papercrete.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

October 26, 2007
1:05 PM

Post #4125127

Where does he live, Carrie?

Hap

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 26, 2007
2:41 PM

Post #4125547

Until this month, Santa Fe NM. He had a bad stroke a year ago and his moving back east to be where everyone else he's related to lives.

x, C
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2007
3:14 PM

Post #4125678

Wow, Carrie! I just googled rastra and it's very interesting. I just wonder what the $$ is. Can you tell me more about his home?

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 26, 2007
3:44 PM

Post #4125770

Not really. HE could, and would, but he's not really able to use the computer anymore. $$ was not a big problem for him, I know. It was poured in place, I think, maybe. He designed it to be super-efficient, his house I mean, and super-water-conserving. There is a little more info here:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/630933/
Starting 9/23/06. We went to visit him there in September and I couldn't figure out where to post the pictures I had taken!

But if you look at all those hits for Rastra, there are as many which call it dangerously misleading - PC has a HUGE carbon output for what you get. I guess I mean a huge energy IN-put for all that insulating, recycled, etc.

Where I live, nobody's going to be using it to build houses anytime soon. If you have specific questions, I can probably get you the answer. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

xx, C
4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 17, 2008
3:11 AM

Post #4820136

bump
I had marked this thread unread last fall - this is the thread that inspired me to make a few pots. Thank you again, Tomtom. Now that I've played with the process, I wonder at how organized you were to stop between steps, clean up your hands enough to take the photos, then move on to the next step. Of course, I'm thinking of how messy I can be and my camera doesn't come near such workspaces.:-)

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 17, 2008
12:04 PM

Post #4821370

Good to see you 4paws. LTNS...

After H. Wilma threw my lion's head over the roof of the house, I have not attempted anything else. But I had a good time with that and still have the makings of more. It's on my To Do list. LOL

Hap
happy_macomb
Chevy Chase, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 17, 2008
3:13 PM

Post #4822202

LOL, Happy. I finally realized that by H you meant "hurricane." At first I imagined some superstrong and not-very-nice friend of yours named Wilma with whom you'd had an argument...
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2008
7:48 PM

Post #4823375

Thanks for this bump. I'm retiring May 31, and should have enough time to start dabbling...

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2008
7:52 PM

Post #4823385

LOL, don't bet on it! I have been retired 5 years and I wonder how I ever found the time to work.

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2008
11:29 PM

Post #4824204

Ha ha Darius, that's funny. It was easier to work - at least for me - in the olden days when there was no internet. xx, Carrie
daiseycat
Assonet, MA
(Zone 6b)

April 18, 2008
4:01 AM

Post #4825521

FlowrLady congradulations. Retirement is great! Darius & Carrie are soo right. My first week of retirement I purchased a batch of craft items that I always said I would get to...still haven't gotten to most of it. Just be sure to enjoy, enjoy & enjoy.
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 18, 2008
12:00 PM

Post #4826217

Thank you,4paws,for bumping it up.
The step-by-step photos were taken by my dauther.
So happy to be of some use for you.

This is the big papercrete container made last year.
Tomtom




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llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 18, 2008
2:45 PM

Post #4826732

Wow, What a gorgeous pot, beautiful!

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 18, 2008
4:26 PM

Post #4827277

Ditto, from me, TT.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 19, 2008
3:36 AM

Post #4829982

Yippee!!!!
So nice to see you, tomtom, and more of your beautiful work!
I miss your web site!
Regards, and I hope you're doing very well!

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 19, 2008
4:46 PM

Post #4831763

OK Tomtom, 1. what is growing in there? 2. what type of soil do you use in your containers? 3. did I show you my beautiful alonsoa meridonalis last year? I was so amazed! (My first time growing anything from seed.)

xxx, Carrie

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FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

April 20, 2008
7:01 PM

Post #4836581

Thanks for your sentiments on my retirement. I have heard that many times, buy y'all are the first ones to say it to me! LOL I already have my quilt stash and my gardens and my grandchildren, and I either want to get a 2-day or so a week job, or volunteer. I have a lot of plans, but it's because I've told everyone not to book my time! LOL So the first thing I have to do is... ta da da daaaaa take my mom to the doctor LOL!!!

And back to the papercrete, I don't know when I'll get around to doing it, but I WILL, I will, I will...

Bettypauze

Bettypauze
Victoria Harbour, ON

April 21, 2008
3:30 PM

Post #4840924

printing the above pages, am hoping to try some of these..wish me luck..
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 21, 2008
5:20 PM

Post #4841375

It really is quite easy and lots of fun to see the finished pot.
I hope to get a few more made this year. Tomtom has inspired me with the picture of a much larger pot than I've made!
sydney480
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)

April 28, 2008
8:52 AM

Post #4875518

Hi Bettypauze...please send pics okay and thanks Tomtom, very pretty containers and pics.
wannadanc
Olympia, WA

April 29, 2008
3:51 PM

Post #4882061

After nearly getting a headache trying to not miss a thing along the way, I have come to the conclusion that the next time I mix up hypertufa, I will use paper twists to get the textured sides. Other than that, for an experienced HT person, this should be easy and interesting. If I actually DO it, I will take pix and post - this is such a long thread - and has been here for such a long time.

I, like others, was having trouble figuring out the "mix". Cement IS Portland cement, and generally needs some sand, or peat, or perlite, or gravel to make it work. Concrete is the stuff you buy that already has sand/gravel along w/ the cement. Hypertufa has several recipes, but it is often 1/3 each portland cement, peat, perlite. One can get very confused by casual use of concrete and cement - they aren't the same.

Cement is like cake flour ...you need more ingrediants
Concrete is like cake mix...if you mess w/ the mix, you may ruin the outcome
Hypertufa is like a cake made from scratch ...many recipes, many outcomes

HTH
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2008
7:48 PM

Post #4897384

And I'm hoping to try my hand at it this summer... and if not This summer, next year for sure!

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 2, 2008
10:30 PM

Post #4898118

:-) that's what I said last summer - I'll get to it eventually, I WILL. Carrie

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

May 3, 2008
11:47 AM

Post #4900222

Me Too..,,,


Hap
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2008
5:47 PM

Post #4901433

CARRIE< ME< TOO> SORRY FOR THE CAPS> SOMETHING"S WRONG WITH MY CAP LOCK>

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 3, 2008
8:23 PM

Post #4901947

oh no. it's ok, we know you're not shouting.
kalika22
Denham Springs, LA
(Zone 8b)

May 4, 2008
7:47 AM

Post #4903866

FlowrLady: the caps lock wouldn't affect the comma button, take a look and see what's sticking your shift key. :)
Illoquin
Indianapolis, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 4, 2008
8:44 AM

Post #4903914

LOL Yo guys crack me up!

BUT it's time to get serious here. I want that giant pot in this photo that TomTom just posted:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=4826217

There is no way this was free form, but where do I find a mold for it? If I bought a pot, used it as a mold, would the cement mix ruin it?

Does this size project a call for a chicken wire frame?

Suzy

happgarden
Kansas City (Joyce), MO
(Zone 5a)

May 6, 2008
1:42 PM

Post #4913712

Tomtom, I don't know if you are still watching this thread, but have a question. Hope it hasn't already been asked.

In the original photo that pot has sharper edges sticking out, the later photos I see are smoother. I love the edges on the original photo. Is that done by leaving small spaces between the twisted paper, or do you have any control over the outcome?

Thank you
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

May 7, 2008
2:59 AM

Post #4917254

Thank y'll all for your comments.

Carrie, yes of course, I do remember it. Your Alonsoa is stunning! Welcome to the sowing lovers.
What is in the pot is Primula malacoides,which doesn't choose soil and the used sol is used.

Suzy, and happgarden, yes for the later pot chichen wires are used .I made the slurry ball as big as ping-pong balls and piled them up along both sides of the wire. This way I was able to build the bigger pot ,though personally I too love the sharper edges of the original better.

Tomtom

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carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 7, 2008
2:29 PM

Post #4918806

Hi Tom-tom,

Thanks for the answers! Normally though, what soil do you use, if it were something that was fussy about soil? I've always just used Miracle-Gro, and sometimes it works better than other times. So I'm experimenting with different additives - perlite, sand, etc., and I wondered what you use (besides a better climate)?

Carrie
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

April 4, 2009
3:44 AM

Post #6361957

OK, not a container, but I used TomTom's recipe to make some molded papercrete spheres. Only a year or so later, this is my completed project:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/971071/
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 4, 2009
4:41 AM

Post #6362139

imapigeon,

What a stunning project you've made !!
Best luck !

Tomtom
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

April 4, 2009
3:47 PM

Post #6363381

Thanks, Tomtom---I'll be doing more projects in papercrete! This has worked out really well, and it was easy to work with. I have a really large plastic planter bowl that I plan to use as a mold. In regular concrete it would be too heavy to move, and in hypertufa it would be too porous for what I want to plant in it. But I think the papercrete will be just right, and I may try carving it, too.
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 5, 2009
1:58 AM

Post #6365507

imapigeon,

What a marvelous idea! Keep doing it,I do hope.
I made a trough using peat instead of newspaper.
I used a form box as a mold.
It is really light. Alpine plants in particular grow well in it.

Tomtom

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Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

April 5, 2009
2:10 AM

Post #6365543

What an excellent idea, Tomtom! Those plants look great!
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

April 5, 2009
3:45 AM

Post #6365889

Tomtom, I really like the textures you develop. I'll have to try the peatcrete, too!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2009
10:05 AM

Post #6366445

I'm going to try peat also.
I see there is no fear about shrinkage around a solid form?
Keep posting as to the carving success Imapigeon!
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 5, 2009
10:56 AM

Post #6366496

ge1836,

The way I made it ,it hardly shrinks.
A year has past .

Tomtom


This message was edited Apr 5, 2009 7:57 PM

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2009
11:01 AM

Post #6366501

Definatly the way to go with a moldable material.
Thanks for the feedback.
Highmtn
Cliff Dweller, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 5, 2009
1:16 PM

Post #6366780

You KNOW an idea is GREAT when the thread is still going 4.5 years later!

TOMTOM...you should get an award! I LOVE natural looking containers...and these are just FANTASTIC!!!!!

I just HAVE to try these! They can be tucked anywhere in a garden while maintaining a non-intrusive very natural look! I love growing Lewesia (it's an Alpine plant)...and bet they would do so well in these!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU... and thanks to all who posted and shared! I love the look poking some natural items into the papers. We have a lot of pine boughs here so when I try this I'll slide a few fans of that in.

PROMISE to post photos, but it has to warm up a bit before I launch into any yard projects. We are still freezing at night which is VERY unusual for this area!

I am sooooooo excited!

Warmly,

Felicia

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2009
1:19 PM

Post #6366793

soon as the tile guys show up to finish the kitchen I will scarf some of the colorant they use for coloring grout and I'm on to peatcrete planters.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 6, 2009
12:40 AM

Post #6369514

Here you are again, ge...

Will be up there next week. See ya?


Hap
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 6, 2009
3:48 AM

Post #6370334

I hasten to add the folowing for making foam troughs:

1. Sludge material
peatmoss:cement=1:2
plus water , a little reinforced mortar bonding agent(liquid)
and some dye as you like.

2.Mix 1 well and as hard as ear lobe.

3.Give a foam mold a coat of concrete bond with a pallet
and wait for a few minutes till it gets dry .
(Concrete bond is used because foams can't be mortared well.
A pallet is used because the concrete bond is extremely sticky)

4.Give it another coat of reinforced mortar bonding agent .

5.On it attach the prepared sludge(No1)
This should best be done with plastic-gloved hands.

6.Give it the texture of what you'd like it to be before it gets dry.

Best luck!

Tomtom

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 6, 2009
11:41 AM

Post #6371105

Tomtom,

Please show us one of your troughs and the size.

Thanks.

Hap
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 7, 2009
12:43 AM

Post #6374858

Hap,
It's 35X55X15(cm).

Tomtom

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
9:43 AM

Post #6376355

Was this the planter you made from peetcrete?
Yesterdays "how to" series? using a rigid tray of some sort?
I really cant wait for warmer weather to get started on one of these.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 7, 2009
11:46 AM

Post #6376551

Beautiful, Tomtom.
Tomtom
OSAKA
Japan
(Zone 9b)

April 7, 2009
2:08 PM

Post #6377047

Yes,ge1836,

it's the planter I made from `peatcrete'.
Since lot of you seem so interested in making `peatcrete' trough,I posted several important remarks putting particular emphasis on the difference between `peatcrete ' and 'papercrete'.

Best luck !!

Tomtom

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2009
3:17 PM

Post #6377392

Your the greatest.Thanks Tom Tom
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 12, 2009
4:58 PM

Post #6399633

Question about the papercrete planter... instead of "random" styles from the paper, is it possible to achive the same affect by using an existing pot as a MOLD so everything is uniform.

Possibly using plastic over the upturned pot so it doesn't stick?

If anyone has tried this... please tell us.. the price of things lately are rediculous for something so simple, if this can be done, I think it would be fun to do with the kids, something they can take pride in and have their own planter to grow what they want and care for.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2009
7:27 PM

Post #6400089

If you use concrete mix with kids, make sure they ware gloves, crete will burn tender skin.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 12, 2009
8:28 PM

Post #6400222

... and a mask. Nasty to inhale.
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

April 12, 2009
8:41 PM

Post #6400250

...and eye protection (like inexpensive safety glasses) in case they splash.
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 13, 2009
10:46 AM

Post #6402564

*S* all that I have and ready ((we make stepping stones for the garden, and the kids do a hand or foot print each year))
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 13, 2009
1:21 PM

Post #6402972

One of the best ways to find out is to 'do it'.

I can see a large pot with a smaller pot inside and the papercrete in-between like a filling. Put a layer in the bottom of the large pot and when you have your bottom set your smalller pot inside and start to fill in the sides. Wrap both pots in plastic and make sure to remove the inside pot as soon as set up occurs.

OR just build up the walls on the inside of a plastic wrapped pot and see what happens.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 13, 2009
2:02 PM

Post #6403153

Llilyfan:
... your OR reference...
That's how I made mine seen at 11/4 7:08pm. I must add that today, both of those up there are overflowing w/ sedum.
llilyfan
South Central, IA
(Zone 5a)

April 13, 2009
5:23 PM

Post #6404174

Aguane, is this the one you are talking about? It was beautiful then, I'll bet it is stunning now!
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=2896184
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 14, 2009
1:22 AM

Post #6406263

Yes, Lillyfan... that one and the one below a few minutes later... its shaped from a shoebox. The one you show in the link is from a straw basket. I find myself saving various sorts of boxes with the intent of making new planters. Hopefully will get started in a month or so! - and Thank You!
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 14, 2009
1:39 AM

Post #6406388

is it easier to build up from the inside rather than the outside?? seems if you build from the inside, you are making it smaller.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 14, 2009
1:56 AM

Post #6406521

I guess I'd suggest choosing your box accordingly - small or big or whatever size. When I make my planters I position foliage, and 'stuff' against the inside of my box and build up from the inside... The plastic (I use old plastic bags from the cleaners) is inserted into the box first, then I make the base/bottom leaving a hole for drainage, then I begin to layer up with the cement and adjusting/adding my plant material as I build up. I go to the top of the box and level off a uniform "capping". Make sure the drainage hole is good, put it in another plastic bag and let is cure.

So, from the outside, you have the box, the plastic, the plant material, the cement. I like this approach because I like the foliage and it presses very nicely against the box leaving a nice "petroglyph" type impression.
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 14, 2009
2:14 AM

Post #6406595

thanks for your help. I'm really gonna try this ...hopefully this weekend!!

Will post a pix by Monday if I get it done!
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 14, 2009
2:33 AM

Post #6406689

Remember it can take a few days to cure. Set. Don't want to bring it out of the box/plastic before 3 days AT LEAST. Also, you know you can dye the cement, right?
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 14, 2009
11:04 AM

Post #6407586

gotcha!
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 27, 2009
1:10 AM

Post #6467774

obviously I haven't done the papercrete pot yet... can QUICK CRETE be used?? or does it have to be reg. concrete?
DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 27, 2009
1:15 AM

Post #6467796

can quick crete be used?? or just standard slowwwwwww drying concrete??
imapigeon
Gilroy (Sunset Z14), CA
(Zone 9a)

April 27, 2009
1:24 AM

Post #6467833

Portland cement is what you want to use---not premixed concrete. The paper takes the place of the sand or gravel in a concrete mix.
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

April 27, 2009
1:26 AM

Post #6467843

Give a try. I think you can buy pretty small bags of quikcrete at HD or Michael's. I know a friend who uses it for casting masks and stuff. Its A LOT more expensive that sand and Portland. I guess it depends, too, on how many items you want to make from the 'crete. I've made dozens of garden mirrors and containers. Made a little one today lined with lavender flowers on the outside of the mould.

DIRTYGIRL71
Brandon, FL
(Zone 9b)

May 14, 2009
1:57 AM

Post #6545689

still haven't started my 'crete project... been busy with "LIFE" *S*
bedouin
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

May 14, 2009
3:13 AM

Post #6546004

The natural look is so much nicer in the garden than the clay pots. Thanks TomTom. I've saved this site as well.
MarciaS
Greenacres, WA

May 17, 2009
6:44 AM

Post #6558898

Hi This is very interesting just came across this article this evening I am going to try
making one. Has anyone here tried making some? Spokane WA

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 17, 2009
3:35 PM

Post #6560023

Oh, boy, Marcia, you gotta go back to the beginning and read. Lots of folks are successfully papercreting their way to happiness (but not I, not yet...).
MarciaS
Greenacres, WA

May 17, 2009
3:38 PM

Post #6560033

OK where is the beginning I thought I had when I read the thread I was on because it started at step . Thanks for the input.
blondhavmofun
Orlando, FL

July 24, 2009
11:21 AM

Post #6858473

very interesting my husband is a block mason i bet i can gethim to make me one lol let him do all the work
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

July 24, 2009
2:31 PM

Post #6859095

Three little planters I recently made of just concrete imbeded with lavender and other plant material.

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Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

July 24, 2009
3:14 PM

Post #6859268

That is very nice, Aguane!

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 24, 2009
9:30 PM

Post #6860724

Very pretty!
Aguane
Phoenix, AZ

July 24, 2009
9:39 PM

Post #6860770

Thanks!
I love making these concrete projects.
Thanks to Tomtom for awakening this medium for me. I've tried papercrete as well, but usually don't take the time to make the slurry.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

July 25, 2009
1:11 AM

Post #6861629

very nice
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

March 9, 2010
2:12 PM

Post #7616578

BUMP for 2010.
ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

June 15, 2011
3:44 PM

Post #8632736

Bump 2011 I still have my pot, and it is still my favorite!! :)

kooger

kooger
Oostburg, WI
(Zone 5b)

June 15, 2011
5:02 PM

Post #8632839

What fun to see this thread pop up again. I was just thinking abt Tomtom earlier this week as I still have some seeds left that she sent me. :)
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

June 15, 2011
5:12 PM

Post #8632868

I too have been waiting for this thread to start up again. I am wondering if anyone tried making borders for flower beds and how that worked. I am considering making some sort of birck to outline my patioand flower bed.

Another thought is making some sort of branch with a pocket for tillandsias.
I picked up some sort of very interesting root at the bromeliad society's sale with a pocket in it that is perfect for my tillandsia that I would love to duplicate.

Would love to know what TomTom is woking on now.
kdfisher
Ellijay, GA
(Zone 7a)

June 16, 2011
3:13 PM

Post #8634592

Interesting subject. I've spent perhaps 30 minutes on this thread but see nothing about potential cracking in freeze thaw climates. Any problems? Or does the newspaper act as a binding agent that keeps the containers from cracking?
candyinpok
Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5b)

June 17, 2011
3:09 AM

Post #8635593

I'm so glad this thread came back. I have this as a future goal to do with the kids in garden club at school. Some kind of sculpture they design and put together. I love the planter the thread started with. I'd love to see what others have done with this medium.
blueskyfd11
Harrison Valley, PA
(Zone 5a)

June 17, 2011
5:13 AM

Post #8635772

I made this two years ago, made several small pots and even tho mine aren't very pretty, it was a test for me to see if it would work and hold up in my freezing temps in northern Penna. It did better than other concrete objects I had made in the past. If the weather would cooperate, we go from 90 degrees daytime to (as in last couple weeks) 40-50s with rain again, I would like to get back out to do more of them because I am convinced that this is the way to go! I believe out 4 I did, one edge chipped but they have all held up and in great shape! My project this year if I can get out there to do it would be a container for bamboo and container for dwarf waterlilies.
I'm to embarrassed to post pics of what i did make...but it really was a quick test to see if it was worth it and now I would put better design into it if it would quit raining long enough and on a day when I can get outside to do it. :)

blue

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 17, 2011
5:23 AM

Post #8635801

OOOOHHHHH I am so jealous. I wanted to do this project when I first saw TomTom's
I stopped to remember how heavy concrete is not to mention I have no place to work and cant squat or bend.
Pleas keep posting what you are doing and any "mature" filled pieces.
All are great.
JoAnn
Azalea
Jonesboro, GA
(Zone 7b)

June 17, 2011
6:54 AM

Post #8635994

So Blue - Are you saying you left them out all winter and they still held up??
blueskyfd11
Harrison Valley, PA
(Zone 5a)

June 17, 2011
1:20 PM

Post #8636763

Hi Azalea, yes, they were all left out for the winter and a one even was fill with water...i don't remember why it didn't drain but they held up. We had a long time of zero and below temps. They did have more shade where they were at so the temps when they would fluxuate wouldn't start cracking it. But other than more shade...they had no real protection.
Azalea
Jonesboro, GA
(Zone 7b)

June 17, 2011
2:10 PM

Post #8636832

Wow - I must try this!
chris_lcf530
Peachtree City, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 8, 2011
5:59 AM

Post #8679879

Hi Azalea,
I have left mine out for the 4th year now and they do hold up pretty good. The loose granules around the edges eventually roll off, but for the most part they still look great.
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

July 8, 2011
9:58 AM

Post #8680305

Chris, we would love to see your pics.
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 23, 2011
9:27 AM

Post #8772836

My first . Just after removing paper sticks and refining with the hose. Don

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 23, 2011
11:37 AM

Post #8773082

I Love It!!! Just my style.

Yu dun good!

Hap

kooger

kooger
Oostburg, WI
(Zone 5b)

August 23, 2011
1:27 PM

Post #8773269

I like it!
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

August 23, 2011
2:37 PM

Post #8773363

Good job, Don!!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 23, 2011
4:09 PM

Post #8773487

nice!
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

August 23, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8773666

348 replies. Keep it going.
cathy4
St. Louis County, MO
(Zone 5a)

August 23, 2011
8:05 PM

Post #8773928

349, LOVE this thread, all I need is the energy!
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 24, 2011
5:22 AM

Post #8774205

350

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candyinpok
Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5b)

August 24, 2011
6:10 AM

Post #8774264

Energy would be good and I need a couple of those fake rocks to cover the water meter and the well head. I was just thinking about this thread yesterday. Nice to see someone working on it.

Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

August 24, 2011
12:12 PM

Post #8774789

Don, the final product, how heavy is it?
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 24, 2011
2:24 PM

Post #8774980

Lily_
It's around 10 lbs. My bowl is larger than tomtoms and I had to use just about twice the recipe to complete mine. mine measures about 12" across and 8" high. I'm trying to figure a cheap way to color the twisted sticks so they blend better with the cement on the finished product. Maybe spray paint them. Don
cathy4
St. Louis County, MO
(Zone 5a)

August 24, 2011
3:35 PM

Post #8775064

Don, maybe I'm missing something, I thought you pulled the paper off once the cement dried.
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 24, 2011
3:57 PM

Post #8775093

Your right but pieces stick in the cracks and crevieses and are very hard to remove completely. You don't really notice them much but it would be nice to not have any tiny pieces of colored print to look at. I'd reduce it a great deal if I'd just used the want ads there isn't that much color on those pages.
cathy4
St. Louis County, MO
(Zone 5a)

August 24, 2011
6:03 PM

Post #8775260

Would wetting them make them come off easier? It is good to know to use the black/white pages.
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 24, 2011
6:55 PM

Post #8775332

Yeah spraying with hose takes away most but you still will have some left that's embedded. It really is a small issue,can you even notice it in the picture?
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 30, 2011
8:32 PM

Post #8786047

Yes I tried a pressure waher to clean those piece of newspaper off and it worked quite well.

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 31, 2011
5:48 AM

Post #8786483

They are realllllly beautiful, Don. They would make any garden sing.

Hap
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 31, 2011
10:44 AM

Post #8787007

with plants

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plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

August 31, 2011
1:05 PM

Post #8787209

Great work. You "have" been busy.
cathy4
St. Louis County, MO
(Zone 5a)

August 31, 2011
4:45 PM

Post #8787527

Don, those are gorgeous with the plants!
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

September 2, 2011
12:40 PM

Post #8790358

Hope to hear from TomTom soon. Wondering what is brewing in her pots for the fall.

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 3, 2011
3:03 PM

Post #8791811

I think I have everything to start a papercrete project. Thanks so much TomTom for the info, and everyone for the tips and pics!!!
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

September 3, 2011
4:41 PM

Post #8791890

The only thing we ask for are pics when you are done too.

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 4, 2011
4:23 PM

Post #8793231

I just finished my project and can't wait to see how it turns out. As usual, I didn't go completely by the directions so it may just be an ugly red rock, lol (red dye is all I had). I really like the medium. It has a nice feel and texture and is easy to work with. I tried to make a toad/troll house with a roof to contain moss, elfin thyme, or succulents. I'll gladly post pics of the unveiling!

Thanks again folks!!
Bev

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Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 5, 2011
6:59 AM

Post #8794092

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-eat thread!!!! I read it from beginning to end! Love seeing e'ones planters! As soon as I get this cast off my right hand, I'm going to dive right in!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 5, 2011
1:32 PM

Post #8794684

Oops, I messed up!! It's raining, and raining, and I was bored. The top portion of the papercrete toad house was dry and hard so I removed it from the bucket. The house fell apart... I definitely now have a bunch of ugly red rocks! My best hope is that I can mortar the pieces back together when it has all cured.

Sorry folks.
--
Bev

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 10, 2011
7:41 PM

Post #8802933

I definitely think I can salvage the red toad house and made a couple more yesterday. The molds are still attached and I promised to wait until all is dry before trying to remove them this time!!

I SO LOVE PAPERCRETE!!!!! Thanks TomTom for starting this forum!

My haunted troll house/castle. The turret on left is a Goodwill Halloween find that I incorporated into the design. I plan on lots of embellishments once it's properly cured.
--
Bev




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Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 10, 2011
7:48 PM

Post #8802947

Here is the second troll house, the pokie (jail house). I have a black and white striped troll doll as the first "visitor." I found a kid's Sheriff's badge to create a replica in concrete for over the front door, too. I'm having sooooo much fun!
--
Bev

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Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 10, 2011
7:54 PM

Post #8802960

Here is the first project, the ugly red rock(s). I'll build a base (house was shorter than I thought) from stones, and butt it up to a hillside to cover the bad sections, then plant my moss and succulents on the roof.
--
Bev

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 11, 2011
4:25 AM

Post #8803189

You're doing great Bev. Very creative.

Hap

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 11, 2011
4:29 AM

Post #8803191

love the castle!!
candyinpok
Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5b)

September 11, 2011
4:33 AM

Post #8803199

I can't wait to see the finished product. This is really renewing my interest in this.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 11, 2011
9:46 AM

Post #8803543

Those are grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-eat Bev! Such imagination and design. I'm impressed! I keep thinking I need to start on something, then reality catches up to me that I can't do a darn thing with this cast on my right hand. :-( UGH!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2011
8:47 PM

Post #8804396

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement folks. Waiting for these things to cure is the very hardest part!
Crit, hope your hand heals quickly, I know how frustrating it is to be kept from creating or doing something you really want to do!

tick tock, tick tock...
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

September 12, 2011
9:12 AM

Post #8805026

Bev, you've taken papercrete to another level. Love the pics.

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 18, 2011
4:02 AM

Post #8813032

I believe all my papercrete projects are cured out enough that I can start playing. After I removed the forms, I squirted them with water daily for about a week. The colors seemed to fade a bit, but more of the texture surfaced. I had used a cup of sand in the charcoal-colored mix and like the results. The sand also seemed to help break down the paper slurry while mixing. I'm happy with the result so far, even the ugly red rock, lol.

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onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2011
4:06 AM

Post #8813037

I like them

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 18, 2011
4:07 AM

Post #8813039

The ugly red rocks stayed together enough that I could use them without cementing back together. I placed 2 bricks underneath as sidewalls for a new toad house addition in Toadville (a growing community). Here are a few pics of the process...

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onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2011
4:10 AM

Post #8813041

nice!!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 18, 2011
4:11 AM

Post #8813044

The ugly red rocks are now considered the Red Roof Rock Inn. I'm trying moss on the roof first and if it doesn't do well in the alkaline environment, I'll try succulents.

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Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 18, 2011
4:13 AM

Post #8813046

Thanks onewish1.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2011
4:17 AM

Post #8813048

all ready for chirstmas with those colors!!

:)

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

September 18, 2011
4:22 AM

Post #8813058

LOL, yes I guess I am. I hope the papercrete structures make through our winters alright... guess I'll find out soon enough!

Well, I need to get more accomplished today.
Have a good one!
--
Bev
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 18, 2011
10:14 AM

Post #8813434

Those are GREAT Bev!!!!!!! I can't wait till this finger is healed and I can start working on some papercrete. I may have to wait until spring. :-(
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

September 30, 2011
1:12 PM

Post #8830687

I'm going to read this whole thing when I have time .

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2011
10:59 AM

Post #8864548

Here's an update on the da Pokey and the Haunted House papercrete projects.

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Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2011
11:02 AM

Post #8864555

The Haunted House became a Haunted Castle. I believe fairy vines climbing around the castle with a moat below planted with bog plants might work well.

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plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 26, 2011
11:20 AM

Post #8864586

Very good creations. I enjoy the pictures.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

October 26, 2011
4:56 PM

Post #8864969

Keep posting ,

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2011
5:27 PM

Post #8865023

Uh oh, we have spied the first troll visitor to da Pokey...

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

October 26, 2011
5:30 PM

Post #8865026

That is Adorable . I'll be making some of these . I'm starting to appreciate gnomes and trolls. I understand they keep the garden safe ?

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2011
5:34 PM

Post #8865034

I'm not sure how safe they make the garden, but they always make me smile while messing in the yard, lol!
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

October 26, 2011
5:44 PM

Post #8865052

After tomorrow , I'll be off the puter a few days , so if you don't hear from me on this thread , I'm not being snobby , I'm leaving for Texas for the winter and will probably have to use wi fi out there .I'll be doing this project . It looks easy for me . Have been wanting to make concrete leaves too .

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

October 26, 2011
6:06 PM

Post #8865100

digger9083, I have lots of ideas for more papercrete containers, but the next is a sedum planter top (miniature garden) for a table I'm making my g-maw for Christmas. Have fun and post pics of what you make!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 27, 2011
5:00 AM

Post #8865444

all too fun!!!

kooger

kooger
Oostburg, WI
(Zone 5b)

October 28, 2011
6:07 AM

Post #8866719

This thread is taking a long time to load on high speed so I'm sure you dial up folks are abandoning us.

Please post on the new thread found here... http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1227503/
Debsroots
Northwest, MO
(Zone 5a)

October 29, 2011
7:49 AM

Post #8867870

WOW!!!! I have got to make this. Thanks for sharing the recipe.

kooger

kooger
Oostburg, WI
(Zone 5b)

October 30, 2011
12:24 AM

Post #8868757

Please post here... http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1227503/
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:09 PM

Post #8962146

Aguane wrote:First attempt at a container... I'm Happy with it. Sedum will grow in no time. I used a shoe box for the form. Pressed plant material is fountain grass and rosemary.


What a clever idea! I love the pressed plants too! So basically, you could use anything as a form! One day I will have to try this!
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:21 PM

Post #8962168

ZZsBabiez wrote:I also wanted to add... I have one of the first pots she made which ended up breaking in the bottom.. so I pounded out the entire bottom and use it in my flower bed like a border.. I build up the soil and plant inside it.. no one knows it doesn't have a bottom AND the plant gets much more room for roots! It's just a ring! LOL
I don't have a picture right now, but hopefully soon.


That sounds like a great way to give your garden depth! I think I would rather make them without a bottom and use that way. Totem poles, all sorts of ideas spring to mind. I love mosaicing too, so I would use it as a form to put the mosaic on. Actually, they do this already, but perhaps a slightly different mixture - it can be put on polystyrene with reinforcement.
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:30 PM

Post #8962182

sos210_14 wrote:Thanks Everyone for your positive comments. I'm sure you're right, Chris, that they needed to be planted with something appropriate in order to properly display, but I did slip some already potted plants into a couple of them. I really think the Main Street Festival was the wrong venue for selling pots. People didn't want to have to lug them back to their cars that were parked several blocks away.

My daughter plans to take this pot to her dentist tomorrow and hopes he will want to purchase it for his home or office. I planted it tonight with a succulent that I know only as Ghost Plant. It will grow anywhere!


The plant is a succulent called "Echeveria", but there are different coloured flowers and have different names for each colour I think. Mine are a pink colour.
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:35 PM

Post #8962192

sos210_14 wrote:FlowrLady, I went to Lowe's today and checked out the cement. You were close--it's Portland cement. Porter would have been close enough to find the right stuff.

At Lowe's I also found a plant for the first pot I made. It was such a light gray color I thought it needed something with burgundy tones. I wanted a grass, but they were all too big, so I settled for this tropical plant. Don't remember the name and the one I bought didn't have a tag. Some of you DGers might know the name...


I think the plant is - RHOEO - MOSES CRADLES - but this is the varigated version (stripes on the leaves).
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:41 PM

Post #8962207

carrielamont wrote:Yuska,

We got those risers once - no good, not solid enough and ugly as sin. I don't think they'd take any leaning on them or accidental banging or the way I move when I'm in my electric cruuiser, LOL. I think I'll ask my DH to whip me up something from PVC pipe. Of course he "whips" stuff up over a period of four to six months!

x,C


The actual plant family is RHOEO - commonly known as MOSES CRADLES. It will withstand heat, sun and will survive outside - I had it growing in Qld, Australia. If you keep the water up to it in the really hot weather. However, the colours of the leaves change with shade.
If someone can remind me how to add a photo? I have one of the Moses Cradles and the Echeveria!
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:43 PM

Post #8962213

Tomtom wrote:Here is how to make papercrete containers.
The idea itself was invented by one of my Japanese friends.
It is getting popular here.


This message was edited Dec 5, 2004 8:12 AM

That looks so beautiful! I will have to try this sometime too!
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
1:45 PM

Post #8962243

Tomtom wrote:Hi papercrete lovers,
So glad this thread has had such a number of visitors.
It's my GREAT pleasure if the thread is of some use to you.

Tomtom



I hope you don't mind, I just saved this photo to my Papercrete Pot Ideas folder - for future use?
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
2:50 PM

Post #8962351

Post #3502205

In this photo I have Echeveria (silver coloured plant in background along fence) and Moses in the front row.

Thumbnail by biddy52
Click the image for an enlarged view.

biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
2:58 PM

Post #8962360

donlaclair wrote:My first . Just after removing paper sticks and refining with the hose. Don


Just love the affects and layered look! Great work!
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
3:07 PM

Post #8962369

Sundownr wrote:Here is the first project, the ugly red rock(s). I'll build a base (house was shorter than I thought) from stones, and butt it up to a hillside to cover the bad sections, then plant my moss and succulents on the roof.
--
Bev


It will look terrific as soon as the plants are added. Great texture! Cool shape! No-one will know it didn't work the way you wanted it to if you don't tell them!
biddy52
BROOKFIELD
Australia

January 10, 2012
3:10 PM

Post #8962375

Sundownr wrote:The ugly red rocks stayed together enough that I could use them without cementing back together. I placed 2 bricks underneath as sidewalls for a new toad house addition in Toadville (a growing community). Here are a few pics of the process...


I am a frog lover so I just love "toad hollow" - toadville or whatever you call it. Love it!

kooger

kooger
Oostburg, WI
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2012
6:53 PM

Post #8962671

FOLKS - Please post on the new thread... http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1227503/

This one takes forever to load and that's on high speed. Thanks!
dggardenerguy
Staten Island, NY

March 26, 2013
9:08 AM

Post #9462547

Just read this for the first time.
The containers are really great looking.
How durable are they outside in winter freeze.
Guess I am missing something but don't see reason for the stick at bottom of the bowl.
Any answer appreciated.
Thanks
FlowrLady
-South Central-, IL
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2013
10:55 AM

Post #9462656

Thanks for 'bumping' this thread, dggardenerguy. It's time for us to plan for these! They are wonderful.

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2013
12:44 PM

Post #9462767

Some of my pots remain outdoors through the freezing winter months and I've not had any problems with them.

In TomTom's original post, she added the stick to create a channel to allow the drained water to escape from the pots after they're planted.
Syrumani
Whitsett, NC
(Zone 8a)

March 26, 2013
4:26 PM

Post #9463113

It's been a while, but I'm sure the stick at the bottom helps with drainage

DavidofDeLand

DavidofDeLand
DeLand, FL
(Zone 9b)

April 10, 2013
4:14 PM

Post #9479255

Hello Tomtom,

My name is David,... and I might possibly have never seen your gardening talents if my DG friend Pirl ( Arlene ) had not shared your works with me. I have been very interested in Papercrete and do Hypertufa. Thank you for the information.

I am very interested in seeing more of your very appreciated photos of your 2013 gardening works!

All respects;...Thank you for sharing, and Happy Gardening!

David, in DeLand Florida
projas
Cumming, GA

May 5, 2013
9:56 AM

Post #9509032

I am getting ready to do this! The weather is horrible here. so I soaked some paper overnight, and have all the supplies, but I do have a question. did you premix the cement before you added it to the paper slurry? thanks in advance!!!! and hurry up and let me know!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2013
10:19 AM

Post #9509066

projas, I premix all my dry ingredients, drain my paper slurry a little before adding it to the dry ingredients. You can always add more water if needed. It's better to have to add water than keep adding dry ingredients (to me anyway). I hope that makes sense.

projas
Cumming, GA

May 5, 2013
10:28 AM

Post #9509079

thank you so much sundownr! I am so excited to make this. I was worried I would have to wait forever for a reply! thanks again! got a pot to make!!!!
projas
Cumming, GA

May 5, 2013
10:50 AM

Post #9509107

ok sundownr! I know I sound like a moron. but I bought a 40lb bag of quickcrete. I have NO way of weighing it to get the 2.6lbs I need, and dont know how much water to add! ARGH!! sorry, I naturally got to excited to do this without all the info!

Sundownr

Sundownr
(Bev) Wytheville, VA
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2013
3:52 PM

Post #9509505

projas, If you don't have a bathroom scale, or a kitchen scale, borrow one from somebody for a day, or see if you can find a used one at Goodwill or a thirft store in your area. You slowly add as much water as needed to get an oatmeal or wet meatloaf consistency. It must form a ball and hold together when squeezed in your hand.

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