I should have done this first, so my apologies to those who have already posted theirs (feel free to copy and paste your ideas over here.)
Ground rules for posting to this thread
1) Be very clear (but as concise as possible) about what you would like your online journal to do. Think in terms of finishing the following sentence:
"My ideal journal would ______________________________."
2) Post just once to this thread. (Edit your post as often as you'd like, and add as many ideas as you'd like to your post - but if everyone will contain themselves to just one post, it will be much easier to sort through.)
3) Remember this is a wish-list for a new journal format, not questions on "how-to" use the current journal's features. (Those posts are welcome in other threads in this forum ;o)
Ready? Okay, give us your "dream journal" ideas, please!
Here's mine copied and pasted...will add as I think of things
I'm thinking of a thread system and maybe tabs, or even forums that you can assign titles to. Something like General Gardening for a tab, with individual threads for seed starting, greenhouse, veggie garden, yard...want list...etc. Next would come something like Home and Crafts (for me anyway) I would have threads for fabric dyeing, Christmas, cooking,... Maybe a tab for Pets...Wildlife...the threads inside would have information that I would want to share...maybe have a 'private tab' for things that you didn't want to share on the web. Parts could be public and parts could be private...depending on the box checked at the start of the tab/forum.
I like the idea of being able to assign your own headers...lots of folks use their journals for non-gardening topics also.
I know that the programming used to create the existing journal system is awsome, and lots of folks love it...It needs to remain, but have a note that says...'If you need a simpler form of a journal , you might try the EZJournal system..click here to begin'
Someone suggested a 'Move To' button...that would be nice.
Both types of 'journals' have their place...some need the database system for detailed tracking of new hybrids or extensive gardens. Some are just more organized than me.
What I need is an actual 'journal'. I'd like to be able to assign each subject to a section and have the option of several sections. I don't need any sub categories or defaults.The date would automatically be imprinted on the 'thread' just like DG, and I could add and edit within the threads as much as I pleased.
Other than that...the option of making parts private would be nice.
If I wanted to link to the PF..a simple hyperlink that I add is all I need. Much more than this and I feel that the grown up version of the journal is necessary..and I would insert any information that needed a more advanced tracking system over there.
I hope this makes sense...I'd use a thread system quite a bit if it were similar to the way the forums and threads are set up on DG and the other sites that use this system...I can handle that and pretty much can navigate without asking for much help.
I agree, wholeheartedly, with Melody's idea for a "Tab" & "Thread" system. Especially for those of us who need quick access to an area of our personal and private notes.
So, since I'm a notorious 'notekeeper' and have lots of catagories that I'd like to be able to keep organized, my dream journal would be set up on the basis of Notebooks (Catagories) with Sections each with Tabs (Subjects) and "pockets" (this is where I keep scraps of paper notes and pics). My notebooks would be "3-ring" NOT sprial -bound so that I could "move" a section from one notebook to another as it suited me.
The most important thing to me is to be able to keep 'Quick notes' when there is little time to concentrate on where I really want to put a note until I have the time to 'think' about organizing.
I suppose that's my dream in a nutshell...but I'd also like to have links to pertinent "How-to" threads of my choosing, and the ability to put in links to vendor sites that I need quickly.
I've copied the following from my separate thread in this forum per Terry's request. (I've also added to it. :-D )
Journal Wish #1
My first wish is that I'd like to be able to add a plant to my journal from the PlantFiles. It just seems to me that I'm always making an error in spelling and it takes quite a bit of time to look up all the data I need to make a Journal entry. If I could navigate to the PF listing of say Lilium 'Kiss Me Kate' and just click on "Add to My Journal" that would be fantastic! It would then ask you to select which Journal (if you have multiple journals) and then ask which Category you want to add this new plant. Once those were selected it would take you to a Journal entry page and allow you to put in the remaining fields if desired.
Journal Wish #2
When you navigate to a specific Category listing you can either "Prepare the items on this page for printing." or "Add a new item under this category". When you select the Printing option you get this WONDERFUL listing of the category entries INCLUDING the individual entries under each Journal item. I LOVE THIS! However, when I navigate to view a specific journal plant entry I get (among the many other options) the ability to "Print this item (with images)." AND "Print this item (without images)."
I would really, really like to have those options also display/print out the specific sub entries under that plant. Right now if you select either of those print options at a plant specific level you see the Initial Notes on the plant and then at the bottom, " There are 3 entries for this item." You don't get to see the specifics of the 3 entries! When you look by Category at ALL the plants in a category and then ask to Print it you get all the specifics and not " There are 3 entries for this item."
Journal Wish #3
When you are viewing a specific plant entry and select "Print this item (with images)." You don't get the actual pictures. Basically "Print this item (with images)." and "Print this item (without images)." gives you the exact same thing!
Journal Wish #4
I wish DG could be my ONLY personal garden database. Right now I keep all the info in my DG journal but then have to create a separate plant database on my computer to use with my label printer to generate permanent plant marker labels. (I use a Brother P-Touch PT-2610). The software that came with my Brother printer includes a database and it will allow you to import data. It would be GREAT if I could export my DG Journal data as a .csv file and then use it with my label printer.
Journal Wish #5
When you set up a Journal Item there are Initial Comments. You also put in a start date. I'd like it if when you View your entire entry that it displays that Start Date when viewing all the entries for that item. All the subsequent entries after the Initial one have their dates displayed. Would be nice to have the start date also shown.
Journal Wish #6
Allow To Do Items to be created that arenít tied to a specific Journal Item. The reason is that sometimes my To Do item has more to do with general garden maintenance or an entire flower bed and not a single plant in my Journal.
Journal Wish #7
Currently you can click on the column headings in the View Category listing, but I'd like for it to sort both Ascending to Descending AND Descending to Ascending. Sometimes I want to see my list of NEWEST journal items and if I could click twice on the Begin Date heading then I'd be able to work the list "backwards".
Journal Wish #8
It would be great to be able to add a photo to an entry after the entery has been created while in the Edit Entry mode.
Journal Wish #9
Is it possible to be able to drill down to specific data using filters? I'd like to be able to see say all of the Journal Items I have with a status of "Hardened Off". Once I have that listing displayed I'd like to be able to then narrow it down to just "Daylilies" (which is a category I have.
What I would *really* like is some way to input off line, because when the server gets slow and/or my dial-up connection is slow, it's just too laborious. I end up not using it purely for that reason. (I'd pay extra!)
Also, a way to search for genus, family, etc. -- sometimes I just don't know and it's not on the tag or packet. It would be a learning tool.
And I agree, it's not easy enough to enter something, even if you don't fill in every blank. The 'add item' and 'add entry' thing confuses me every time. On the Main Page, can we just have a "new entry" button, then choose what kind it will be from a menu?
I would also like .csv or other format to keep my info in a spreadsheet on my pc -- since off-line entry is a pipe dream!
The notebook and thread ideas above sound very good. I like the idea of tabs, too.
New request Can we have a 'return to main page' button on each page? Could be just an icon, too. I often end up somewhere I didn't intend to be, then have to backtrack to start over. If there is a way to do this now, somebody please let me know! OOOPS - I guess the 'Your Journal' button does that! Duh...
Journal Wish #2 - I'd love to have the common name of the plant listing in my journal made into a hyperlink connecting it to its counterpart in the PlantFiles. At http://davesgarden.com/journal/j/vbc/dstartz/27353/ I made a link of the first entry. But to go back and edit that page I have to redo the whole first line. It would WONDERFUL if the link were automatic.
Journal Wish #3 - A blog-like area for notes that don't follow the present DG journal format. For an example see the blog I'm keeping at http://gardeningonrosedr.blogspot.com/ . (I wish it were part of my DG journal.)
Journal Wish #4 - To be able to split an entry and put it under multiple headings. I do a lot of propagating and would like to keep my entries under the date they were done. But when the plant takes root, etc. I'm forced to move it to another area or leave it where it started. Unfortunately that doesn't work as well for me as I would really like.
I have been giving this a lot of thought. I will be sure to add more ideas as they come to me.
My ideal journal would interact more easily with plant files.
I would be able to add a plant from the files directly to my journal, and vice versa, so if a plant in my journal was not in plantfiles I could add it easily.
I would be able to access plants by location, so I could choose a garden bed and see all the plants in it.
My categories and statuses would be common to every journal.
I could add pictures to milestones. Now I have to enter a milestone, and then add an entry for a picture to show first flowers, fruits, buds, etc.
I like the idea of a "blog," which is being discussed on another thread.
I could add links to seed databases, vendors, threads etc.
I could track seedlings rather than just move them into a different catagory. If the same plant could be duplicated (not cloned, as when there is more than one plant) and put in multiple categories:
i.e. a viburnum could be listed in ornamental shrubs but also in Wildlife Garden. I like the cloning feature but this would take it a step further.
Edited to add:
I would love a calendar I could make entries in, a gardener's calendar geared to my zone. It would have the usual holidays, but also moon phases, equinoxes and solstices, first and last frost dates, and appropriatley timed gardening jobs- with things that can be carried forward from one year to the next.
It would be cool to have a collage capability (with the ability to comment) to put the pics of plants in one
location/various seasons together to see how they look next to each other- this would be a great tool for planning also. I have a paper journal where I do this with cut up plant catalogs, and it really gives me a good idea of what something is going to look like. Just daydreaming now, but that's what I'm here for!
Dave's Garden is an incredible site; the mere fact that you asked this question, is one of the reasons.
SORTING: More sorting options. Here are some of the ones that I have needed/wanted:
Vendor - I track full life-cycle purchase to grave, including Vendor name.I'd like to be able to sort on this
Date of order - This would make it easier to see what hasn't arrived/is overdue
Order Status - same as above
Color - I have 35 Asiatic Lilies, if I'm looking for a red one and don't know the name, it would be helpful to have a color field and to be able to sort on it
Location - I'm a very "visual" person. Frequently, I'd like to see what is planted in a particular location,bed,section.
This is my biggest wish. more on this below.
VISUAL LAYOUT OF BEDS: (In the following, current view and existing view will indicate the journal pages which are currently available.) The ability to organize and view my garden "layout" both as a whole and by bed or section.This would be a seperate page or view from the existing one. Plants could be depicted by either symbol or (better) small thumbnail. Best case, drag & drop from current view to beds or sections (or otherwise assign w/out having to retype).Should be able to move them around within this view both to tryout ideas before planting and to handle actual relocations. Dbl clicking on symbol or thumb w/in this view would take you back to the item w/in the current view. The bed or section should be tied to the "Location" entry in current view. ("Current" view refers to the existing journal pages.)
If this is too aggressive an idea, I would find it helpful if I had ANY option to group and view my items by their location. Currently I can indicate location but cannot sort accordingly. .
LOCATION: I would like for this to behave the way status currently does so that I could assign "names" to my beds or to sections of my garden and then reuse those names from a drop-down menu. That way my locations would be consistent which would aid in sorting (another of my wishes).
MOVING ITEMS AROUND: Drag and drop between journals, catagories, etc would be awesome. If that's too much, I'd like a way to move an entire sub catagory to a different location. (If this exists, I've not found it.)
SEARCHING: The fact that I can search within my journal is very helpful. At present, the search feature appears to search on the Common Name, Cultivar, and Location (at least). I like this as the default behavior for the search function but would like to have the option to control/alther this behavior (i.e., search only on Common Name - because sometimes a word in my Location column yields pages of unwanted results; search on Vendor, Date, Comments).
This is a big one for me. I would like to be able to search within a catagory (only). Sometimes I like the fact that no matter where I am in my journal a search brings up all matching items within my journal; however, there are also times when I would like to be able to limit the search by catagory, journal, etc. Example: if I have an Iris whose name I can't recall except that I know it includes the word "Rose", I'd like to be able to search the Iris catagory (only) for it; otherwise, my search will return the 100's of roses listed elsewhere in my journal.
When I click on a table header to sort by that column, I would like for that sorting criteria to remain my new default until I change it - if not forever, then maybe for the current session or even for the current page.
Because I track items from time of purchase, I would like a column for Vendor with the option to sort and search on this column. Not sure how popular this would be with others though. Using the journal in this manner (from purchase) has greatly simplified the task of tracking my orders, esp backorder. I would like to be able to recall all outstanding orders for Vendor x.
Currently, I can perform group functions for "Change Status", "Change Catagory", and "Add an Entry", all of which are very helpful. I would like to be able to do group functions on milestones, as well. For instance, I have a "Received" milestone and would like to be able to select all items in the shipment and mark them as Received as a group.
Sometimes a "Select All" with the ability to uncheck the few I don't want in the group would be helpful, as would the use of Shift-Select to Select a bunch of items at once.
Edited to add something to SEARCHING. Getting close to the end, I think. Thank you very much for asking. Sheryl
I like Melody's "thread system" idea as well.
I keep a spiral notebook and write every day about different observations of plants, the weather, etc. I also have sections for things I am propagating, seeds I am starting, ideas about different things I want to try the next year, etc. With a thread system, I could access my info from work without having to carry around the notebook or without having to keep up with "ideas" that pop into my head which then get jotted down on scraps of paper or post-it notes!
I also like and use the journal as it is set up now, so would like to have both options : )
I wish the Garden Journal was a little easier to work with.
Anything where you have to have two windows open to complete, 1 for the journal and 1 for instruction on how to make an entry, is way over the head of the standard user.
Perhaps along with the advanced mode, offering a simple mode would help those who want to keep a journal but don't want to spend hours trying to figure out how to do it.
Also, by the time I'm ready to update I have to reread the instructions all over again. I think that's why most people don't keep a journal or don't keep it current.
1 - I don't need a space for the Family - Genus - Species - ETC.
2 - All I need is something simple like the forums:
3 - Let me name the catagory and give me a space where I can write what I did, post a photo and add a date.
4 - Allow me to post updates and new photos to that catagory as they happen and as I progress.
hi dave, thanks for giving us all the chance to give ideas for the journal. i would love to be able to put several pictures for a single entry in my journal, instead of having to post several entries just to include all of the pictures i want to be able to look at for my own reference later. maybe you will consider this when redesigning the new journal format. Thanks, Jennifer of NC
Journal wishlist 1
Ability to upload trade sheets from excel sheets (you tell us the format that the excess sheet should be in)
Journal wishlist 2
Easier way to list items than moving back/forth through hieracial menus (too cumbersome). As minimum add more "back" buttons or "bread crum" trail links to navigate. But I really hope for another system than the current.
Journal wishlist 3
A "counter" button you can increase / decrease. If you have 8 items to trade, it would be nice with a +/- button to quickly increase/descrease available amount as trades go through
Journal wishlist 4
An easy way to sort lists, e.g. we can click on thread lists in forums/gwd to search by company, thread starter, date, etc. Why can't we have the same with tradelists. When lists are shown, sort by category, name, date, etc
I am a very new user of the journal (just started in March), but I chose your site because I was going to design my own garden journal database, did some searching, and found yours "ready-made." Thanks. I've read through the suggestions so far and would add my vote to:
1)More streamlined navigation for entering new info,
2) being able to upload from the Plant File to the journal would be fantastic,
3)being able to sort by location (treated like a category or status) would be very useful, and
4) I have not explored the "To Do" section, but I need a place to put down my ideas for next year's garden.
For instance, as I am looking at the spring bulbs I want to be able to remind myself to plant more Winter Aconites in the hillside garden in the fall .
As a new user to DG and a new user of the journal I found it weird that you couldn't use an image you already put into Plantfiles or if you upload a picture into your journal, you couldn't add it to tha common named plant in Plantfiles. Would make life easier and would cut down on DG having so many images put in twice.
Another feature that would be cool would be to redo the way the entries are made in the journal so you could do a history of a plant. Like I was going to take a picture of my plant a week in to being planted, then when it sets fruit and then whenever after that. Pretty much a history of the plant so next year I can go back and use the journal to see which tomatoes or any plants I want to plant next year based on my journal. I always thought that would be really cool and right now the journal is WAY TOO limited to do that and have it look good...
My ideal journal would have a tab that I can click on to make general, daily journal entries. For Example:
Friday, April 14th - High of 68, Low of 44, Humidity 20%. Today my first 'Angel Face' Rose Bloomed, and my purple bearded iris bloom is going on its 4th day strong. The hostas have grown to a medium size, and most of the trees have leaves with the exception of the smaller tree in the front yard (unknown identity). The honeysuckle vine has put on its first blooms, and I am excited to see that they are red! I also just found out that I have two different kinds of spiderwart growing in my garden...one with purple flowers and the other with fushia flowers. Though I have weeded out most of my weeds, the johnny jump ups continue to be a problem.
Saturday, April 15th - High of 70, Low of 46, Humidity 30%. Today I noticed that some more winter jasmine have rooted in my garden (by layering). There are a total of 4 rooted at the moment. Several of my rose bushes have rose buds which should be opened by the end of next week. The english ivy on my oak tree is almost dead now, and I have to find a way to remove the vine from my tree. The privacy fence is starting to rot at the bottom and will need replacement within the next couple of years. The clear blue sky has made it easy to work out in the yard today and see many things that are going on in the garden. The screened porch is in need of a fresh coat of paint, and the siding could use some cleaning. The garden paths need additional filling between the rocks, and the grass needs to be fertilized.
Thanks for asking for our input. I'lI add wishes as I think of them.
1. I'd like to add plants to my journal from the PlantFiles AND have a hyperlink from my journal to the PlantFiles (like dstartz example). Then if I'm having problems with a plant or need more info its easy to get to the plant.
2. I'd like for one of the options to be able to see all my entries for the whole journal by date. It would take the place of a separate daily journal. I like to look back at past years and see when I did things.
I'm adding some ideas that have already been mentioned so you'll have an idea of how many of us want the changes.
3. An easier way to get around in my journal, like the threads and tabs.
4. Part of the journal private and part shared.
5. Ability to work off line. And not tie up my phone line.
6. Have the journal searchable.
7. Be able to put in general entries. ("I applied fertilizer to the raised bed today.")
The more I think about it, the more I would like to make individual entries and general entries. That could look like a daily journal if I wanted it to (by arranging it by date as an option).
8. "Access all items" would have a column for category.This message was edited Apr 29, 2005 10:27 PM
It'd be nice to have an easier way to update the status field. Right now I have to go into each plant's original file to update the status. As it is a status, I would like to track when it was one thing and when the status changed to another category. For example, I use the statuses of: just planted, now blooming, finished blooming, etc.
Well, to start off I must say ... WOW ... you guys truly are amazing. You definitely go that extra mile! : ) And just in case you haven't noticed by the feedback, it is immensely appreciated.
Getting down to what you want to know, many ideas that others have are what I also would like to see.
- Melody's idea of "tabs" and "threads" would work for me as would the "private tab"
- Julie88's dream journal is basically what my hand-kept journal is like. I too would like to see links allowed that are needed or wanted, "How-to's" and links to vendors and such
- Langbr's idea of linkage to PlantFiles would be great. I get so confused as to what is Genus and what is Species that most of the time I just guess and try to keep that guess consistent. kaperc expanded on that a bit i think.
- dstartz "blog" area is wonderful!!!! This would be very useful indeed.
- oceangirl came up with the idea of an all-inclusive gardening calendar with moon phases, solstices, frost dates, etc. Absolutely awesome. Also like the idea of being able to add pictures to milestones. To expand, perhaps adding pictures to whatever area we choose would be good. She also voiced the idea of a collage capability -- seeing before and after pics.
I have a couple of ideas to add...
1) A drawing program that allows one to draw the basic shape of one's garden bed and "place" plants where you think they should go so that you could get an idea of what your garden will look like. Preferrably this would all be to scale to get a more accurate picture. Being able to input pictures of the plants would be very helpful; but as this is extremely complicated, I would "settle" for plant shapes that could be coloured. ;) I don't know about anyone else, but this would be useful for people like my husband and I who are re-landscaping our yard (slowly but surely) and have a communication problem. To clarify that, he understands pictures but more often than not does not understand the words coming out of my mouth. heehee [those are his words, by the way :)]
2) Another idea I had was the capability to archive last year's journal and start fresh for the new year. It would, however, be imperative that these archives were easily accessibly and that the information contained in them could be copied or brought up into the current journal.
That's all I've got for now. I will, of course, add to this as I think of anything. Just so long as someone else doesn't log it first, that is! Would hate to overload you more than you already are.
Thanks again. Can't express the gratitude. You really are the best!!
I just thought of something else. A few people, including myself, have expressed an interest in having a link set up to vendors, etc. What might be useful is to have this somehow linked into GardenWatchdog. This may be a help to those who are trying out new vendors and such. I didn't really have time to think this through, but if you can use it, it's yours.
This message was edited Apr 16, 2005 10:15 AM
Just reading over the entries above mine and I discovered that scutler had an idea about garden layouts that was very similar to what I had in mind. Sorry about that. By the way, the rest of scutler's ideas were great also...especially the sorting ones.
Thanks again!! Still amazes me how great you guys are!
I have been working on my jounal all night, trying to get it set up and updated for this year, and I'm thinking that the ability to have a master journal with all the catagories set up, and the ability to clone it to a "year" journal would be wonderful and time saving. Especially for veggie gardeners that would like to save their yearly journal for future reference, but not have to set up another one from scratch all over again for the next year.
Mass moving from journal to journal. This would be great too, and maybe somewhat the same as above. Ease in moving things is the reason my journals got so far outdated when we moved from the trailer to the house. Only about 100 foot move, but I moved all the plants in one year. I got behind because it was more time consuming to move the plants in the journal than in the garden.
Joan - just a thought. Could you make a Status for each year and then change the status of all the veggie items in your Journal to the previous year then you can start new entries using your normal Statuses. Here's what I'm kind of thinking...
Create a new Status called "2004". Go to your veggie categories and select "Tomatoes" (or whatever you have them as) and do a Mass Change using the checkbox and the 'Change Status' button at the bottom of the listing. Change the Status to "2004" and then when you want to look at something from last year just click on the Access by Status option on your Journal Home page to select "2004". Also if you keep this years entries in the same category (Tomatoes or whatever it is) then you'll be able to see each years tomato entries with the Status indicating the year they were grown.
Just a thought. It would prevent you from having to delete entries, or create a new Journal and enter all that data again or move it.
Thanks for aksing opinions on the journals! Personally, I love the concept. A place to keep notes on everything I do wrong (and sometimes right!) in my gardening. I'm pretty new at gardening altogether and have a lot to learn. Journaling will be a huge help! - the option to keep them open and searchable is just icing on the cake.
My only suggestion is that the journals be kept as simple as possible, and remain focused on the initial intent. It does not need to be complicated with unnecessary functionalities that most users won't need or use. Just a free-flow, searchable, open diary-style journal. I am looking forward to watching how things develop. :)
I, too, would like to have an option in each PF entry, to add that item to my journal. Often when I get a new plant, my first stop is PF, to find out how to take care of it. Then, I have to go to my journal and enter the info. Would be great to have them cross-linked somehow.
My first request is to have a much larger photo when you print out a page on a specific plant. That way you can send someone a page with info and a viewable photo so they can properly id the plant if you send more than one. Or, if you are a sucker for punishment, print out your own hardcopy. :)
I would also like to be able to export my garden journal. After you spend hours upon hours creating one, it would be nice to be able to export parts of it.
It would also be nice to be able to export a plant, it's info and photo to your tradelist straight from your journal. It would make life much easier.
Naturepatch - you can now copy Journal items to your Trade List. I think Dave put that in last fall or late last summer. To access that feature you must be VIEWING a Journal Entry and below the hyperlinked text that is for Adding an Entry and Clone an Entry and all the other options there is one in there for Copy to your Trade List.
I would like to be able to personalize my journal as I do for my home page, i.e.; moving columns around so that I didn't have to scroll so far down the page to find my categories. Alternately, move 'Access by Category' to the top of the page with Main Menu to either the Left or the Right of this.
Being able to auto-place items to/from PlantFile would be an incredibly useful and timesaving tool.
I'd like to be able to sort any way I wish. When I first started using the journal this confused me and I thought, "mine's broken... :o(" when trying to sort in the funky ways my mind works. Then I realized, "oh, guess ya can't do that... but why not? :oP "
I would like to be able to "select" [radio box] any number of plants within a category, which tags them all, and allows me to make a broadcast "note" or "update" to them, i.e.; "Established", "Fertilized", "Pollinated", "Note to do X,Y,Z, etc... A date would be automatically generated with the broadcast entry to all selected plants.
Many suggestions above (I didn't read all, I admit) were wonderful and very clever.
[edit: I hit the send box by accident...]
As I was saying...
Some of the ideas above I would enjoy to the fullest...
The "select all" suggestion
Exporting items to CSV file would ROCK
Calendar - incredible suggestion!
Searching within categories
This message was edited Jun 3, 2005 6:54 PM
Thank you scutler! I just tried it out.
And because of that experiment... another couple suggestions...
1) I'd like to make a 2nd request for the 'select all' feature! LOLOL
2) The ability to have the sort function 'stick' when selecting the option to print items, i.e.; I'd like to be able to print by Genus, Location, Species, etc.
This is not a wish list item, but a response to Annie's entry. (Hope this does not violate GR #3).
Annie, If I understand your 4th request correctly [and if not please disregard my ramblings : ) ], I believe that is already available. You can select items by checking the box on the left and then "broadcast" either an entry, status change, or catagory change to all of them by selecting the appropriate "tab" at the bottom of the table. I find this feature very helpful; however, I wish that I could also "broadcast" milestones in this manner.
Dave, I added #8 to my list. There hasn't beem much activity on this thread I didn't know if its finished. I'm enjoying my diary and writing in it has prompted me to enter more in the journal too. Thanks for catering to us.:^)
If I could add entries directly from the Plant Files to my journal, I'd be more inclined to work on the Journal. Besides, if a plant isn't in the plant files, maybe it would encourage some to add it to the plant files?
So, add me to the list of others above who would like to add to my journal from the plantfiles, or Langbrs wish #1.
I just thought of something I would like today, as I'm planning for my 2006 vegetable garden.
My ideal journal would have the feature where I could copy an item from one journal into a new or different journal. For example, I would like to copy my artichoke entry from my 2005 vegetable garden journal into my new 2006 vegetable garden journal.
My ideal journal would allow me to post a photo on the far left of each entry... for example, if I have an entry for a certain plant, I can choose a photo (thumbnail) in the row of that entry... would vastly help me to not only find things, but appreciate them more.
I would love to be able to do a mass edit of selected entries. This would allow me to take a group of plants that have the same location and only do one edit. I am doing a list of 20+ hosta that are all being planted together in the same bed, so it would save me all those location edits. Or if I wanted to make new entries of a group of cultivars I was adding to my garden (IE:Japanese Iris), I could then go back and do a mass edit to give them all the same genus rather doing each entry. And if they were being planted together I could do just one more mass edit to give them all the same bed location. This would make adding groups of similar plants very quick. (helpful for those hosta, daylily, lily and iris-oholics) Thanks, Patti
Looking back, so many of these wants have been given to us. The addition of the diary fulfilled a lot of requests. I still have issues with the privacy thing in my journal though. I'm not talking about whether or not some parts could be private and some not, although that would still be nice. Maybe some journals switched and some not, as we can make any number of journals besides the default. Not the issue of whether members or subscribers could view. I'm just a little hung up on my journal being open to the whole www. Would rather have a choice to just let members and subscribers view my journal. I know the other side of the argument about there being no privacy on the Internet, but still, this is what I would wish. Other than that, I love the features and ease of use, and say thank you, Dave. I appreciate it.
I would like the Journal and Diary to have the most recent posts at the top, rather than the bottom.
A small graphic at the top could easily state that is how the threads run. Not sure if it's possible though since all other sections in DG run in reverse, but it's worth a mention.
I think it used to be that way and was changed by popular request to be chronological, so that the diary told the story in the order in which it happened, rather than having to go through backwards. I'd rather keep it how it is.
I've been creating TODO items set for much later in the season or even next spring in an attempt to create a garden calendar/plan for myself. I'd love it if my TODO items which are upcoming for the week could be emailed to me as a reminder. Or integrated into a calendar feature.
1. I want to be able to clone an entire existing Journal and move it to a new Journal. I want to have the contents placed in one main journal so I can disperse them to different categories and subcategories.
2. I would like to be able to print by sort order of choice (not always by common name) such as by location or genus. The common name default in printing is the least helpful sort order for finding entries on a printed list. Patti
I would like the Tab List on the diary page that opens on the "View Others' Diaries" link to be arranged in the same order as the Tab List that shows on the page when you "Manage Your Diary".
I know Dave fixed it so that we can arrange the Tab List on the 'Manage' page to our liking. I think it would be nice if the other page corresponded. (I mentioned this on another thread, and if you already took note of that, I apologize for the redundant request!)
I'm having fun with the Diary, and thanks again for that feature, Terry and Dave!
Patti, I still think request #2 should stick around--you don't get the same info printed when you do it from the screen rather than from the print function, so I think it would be nice to have the option to sort how you want in the print function too.
ecrane3, You are so correct, but I was so pleased to have the function to print via location or genus plus having the pictures printed, I forgot the bigger picture and the lack of information. But this feature was hugely helpful while planting all my bulbs by beds with the pictures attached to the printout. I laid them out and my DH drilled the holes and I filled behind him. It went so quickly. Hopefully it will bloom as nice as it looked on paper! I bit the bullet and started a parallel journal by bed. It is proving confusing at the moment. But as I started with the new bulbs, I will clone away with the previously entered plants one by one from my main Journal as the winter comes. I couldn't figure out any other way to have all the information I wanted. Patti
I like the feature that allows you to perform the same step on multiple items by checking their boxes and then choosing from the menu items at the bottom of the page: Change Status, Change Catagory. Now if you added a few more menu options to that: Check/Uncheck All, Copy to Catagory. The latter would let you copy a large section of items to the new journal all at once, among other things.
Also, I LOVE those thumbnails, even though I've been too busy this summer to get them all filled in - yet. But I keep clicking on thumbnails expecting them to expand to full size pics as thumbs often do. It would be awfully nice if they did - not for me, of course, but for visitors who might not realize that they can still get to the full size photo by clicking "view". Just trying to be thoughtful of others ; )
I've noticed that when I add a plant from PlantFiles to my journal, there is a wonderful link back to the plantfile page. However, if I clone the entry and move it to another category, everything is copied except for that link.
Hope this make sense. Take a look at my journal and you'll see, each plant is listed under a general category...Trees for instance Then I usually make a subcategory for the individual plant as well, so Coral Bark Japanes Maple is listed under Trees and Trees/Japanese Maple. The second instance of the entry does not have the link back to the page in PlantFiles.
You can't see the PF links when you look at someone else's journal so I can't see your problem, but I can tell you that I have never had this problem in my journal--if the link was there in the first place it stays with it when I clone and when I move things to a new category. The problem I have is occasionally you import something from Plant Files sometimes the link won't show up at all, but once the link is there to begin with I've never had problems. The only difference between the clones that you're having a problem with and the ones that I'm not having problems with is that the category you've been moving things to is a sub-category of the original category, vs when I've done it, I've always moved it to a completely separate category. I can't imagine why doing it your way would cause the link to be lost but there are some occasional weird bugs in the journal! Just for curiosity, can you try cloning an entry that has a link and move it to a completely different category (for example from trees into shrubs) and see if you have the same problem?
I would love the option to link from PlantFiles to our already established journal without creating a new entry. I already have entries in my journal that I would now like to link to PlantFiles, but it seems I can only do it the other way around by adding from PlantFiles to my journal. Maybe when linking from plantfiles to our journals we could have the option of choosing a specific entry to link with, making it a little more specific.
I would also love to see that feature...most of my plants were added to my journal using the import from Plant Files feature, but ~10% of the time the link back to PF ends up not showing up on the entry for some unknown reason, and this would be a way to fix that problem as well as help out all the people who had hundreds of plants in their journal before the option to import from PF existed.
I posted this in winter sowing, but I would love to know if this is possible. Thanks, Patti
Quoting:I am wondering why DG has not created a spreed sheet for winter sowing? I am a huge fan of the Journal for keeping track of my garden, but I would like to either add the necessary fields to the journal to make it pertinent to sowing information or, better in my opinion, a separate journal for recording sowing information. To make it work for me I would want, aside from those fields already in the Journal, new fields for Source, Date sown, Date germinated, Quantity sown, Date of seed being used, Germination rate, Method Used, and notes. Do any of you want to have such a feature on DG and what would be important to you? I would like all my garden information in one place so DG is it for me. I would be happy to put it on a wish list to Dave, if it is something that others might use besides me. Patti
I think you can do what you want with the journal the way it is--you can make entries for the plants/seeds in your journal, so you could have one entry for the day you sowed the seeds, another entry noting when they germinate, etc and you can put info in the initial comments about where you got the seeds, how many you sowed, method used, etc. You could also use the "milestone" feature in the journal--create a milestone called "sowed" or "germinated", etc and then for each seed that you have in your journal, you can easily add in these milestones on the appropriate dates for each seed. These are the same tools that you would use to keep track of things associated with plants in your garden such as when they bloom, when they were pruned, how you conquered the aphid infestation, etc. Fields like you're suggesting don't exist for regular plants either (such as when it bloomed, when you pruned it, etc) so if we're going to add them for seeds I think we should add ones relevant to plants too. Oh--and you can also make multiple journals, so if you want a separate one for seeds you can already do that.
ecrane3, I have used the milestone feature to do this as you suggested, but it is very cumbersome as you can't do mass edits while in the milestone feature nor can you see the information at a glance. That is why I would love a separate spreed sheet created by DG that could interface with the regular Journal when I was ready to plant out the seedlings. I see that many subscribers are using various other garden spreadsheet programs to track their sowing. I will most likely have to continue with the way I use DG now by tracking my seeds via status (seed, sown, transplanted) . Just a wish. Patti
I think what you're asking for isn't adding features to the journal, it's really a whole new application. Even if Dave put in fields like what you're asking for into the journal, I think it would still probably be something you'd have to do on an entry by entry basis. But it never hurts to wish--seems like Dave's always putting in new stuff, so you never know!
My journal is very useful to me in that it is automatically organized alphabetically by genus and then species. However, this organizational rule does not hold for those who visit my journal- order appears totally random unless there is a common name attached.. .sadly, 99% of my plants have no common name, so the randomness prevails, making it very time consuming for someone else looking at my journal to find anything. ANy way it could be organized similar for the viewer as well as it is for me?
I would like to have the ability to to create a "sticky" so that the items in the categories I want to stay near the top will do so. I am currently entering new data on the same date to achieve this goal. It might be that we already have this function and I don't know about it yet.
My ideal journal would insert the PF picture into an entry linked to a Plant File. I'm just starting out using the journal, and in gardening in general, so my entries so far are plants I've ordered or am thinking of ordering. Having the picture next to the name of the plant helps me remember the plant and is a great help when scanning through my lists.
I've also noticed the link to the PlantFile is at the very bottom of the entry, it would be nice if the entry name were the link or at least the link were at the top of the page.
I'd also like to see a couple customizable fields in the entries. I like scanning my plants in the summary list instead of having to view each entry and I would like to be able to see some details in columns that are currently not options and be able to sort them by those columns. Speaking of sorting, I'd also like a secondary sorting option. ie. first sort by location and then by cultivar, etc.
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I would also really like the option of seeing thumbnails or the full picture in journal entries and message board posts. I know a lot of people use dial up, but for those of us that don't it would be nice to read a page straight through without having to click on pictures and go back all the time. If that's not possible, maybe have a Next link to just keep going to the next picture/post instead of having to go back and figure out where you left off.
Been working on my Journal again and have a suggestion.
You have a Search Journal feature at the top right of the Journal pages. Since I movedto a new home, I have journal entries that are from my old home and other entries that are at my new home. I set up a new Journal for my new home. I moved many plants from old to new home and so it's VERY nice to have the ability to move entries to another journal. As I'm planting new plants at my new home, that I am putting in a lot of favs that I did not bring with me and when I do a search to update a new planting I get all the old entries from the old house (in a separate journal).
Could we change the Search Journal box to be only the current active journal and then add a checkbox right below to "Search ALL your Journals?"? That way I can search only my current journal or choose to search ALL my journals.
I like that idea as I, too, have had the stated problem.
I LOVE my journal. It is one of my favorite DG features, and I don't know how I ever gardened without it; however, now that you have so kindly added the thumbs (which I also LOVE), it sure would be nice if I could choose which of my photos would be displayed as the thumbnail. At present it appears to be the last photo entry for a given item. If I like the current thumb, I can't add any more photos for that item without changing it.
Another suggestion for Journal change. I think this is a minor one...
What I have done in my Journal is utilized sub-categories. So I have "Lilium" and then "Asiatic", "Oriental", etc under that as a sub-category. Unfortunately, when I select the "Lilium" category I don't see any plants as they are all residing in a sub-category. What would be ideal is to see any entries that are in the Lilium category and/or in a sub-category of "Lily". This lets me see the total number of Lilium I have and then I can drill down to Asiatics and see how many of the total Lilies I have are Asiatics.
In utilizing the "Search your journal" feature, I would love to be able to have the ability to choose the sort order in which the list appears. Editing within that list would be super.
Thus if I do a sort of Hosta in "Search your journal" and I want to see all the Hosta I have planted and in what location I could do a sort on "Location" and then I could scroll down to that location and see only those that are planted there. Or by cultivar to be able to see an alphabetized list of all the plants of a particular genus. This would be a huge help when ordering new plants to avoid duplicates. Endless possibilities of good uses. Patti
Sorting that allows you to sort by Genus then Species then cultivar alphabetically so that the plants are actually in true alphabetical order.
Returning to your prior location in your journal when you do something like make an edit.
Being able to actually make a journal entry completely at one time, currently if you start at PlantFiles add to my journal,
click here to select a category
click on the category
Go to the entry
Edit this item ( required so that one make a meaningful journal entry)
Go back to the " " entry
Add an entry to this item
Why not give an option to allow upon first entry the ability to edit, add pictures, add milestones all without having to go back and forth? It works now, but it is anything but efficient having to repeatedly go to the mouse and get back where you want to be.
Having the ability to update status on a number of plants in your journal at one time.
Having the ability to work split screen, I now use two computers so that I can use one in PlantFiles while working in other parts of DG. Would be especially useful when you have pictures of your plant but don't know the name and are looking for a similar one.
You can do mass changes to Status, Cateogory and actually Add an Entry to multiple records. You must click on a category or status which brings up a list of all relevant entries and then you there is a checkbox where you can select which records the mass update applies to. Once you've checked the appropriate ones you can then click on Status Change, Category Change or Add an Entry at the bottom of the list.
Not sure this is what you were looking for or not, but I know most people don't realize that function is there.
This would be near the top of my wish list., and mabe we already have it and I don't know..
I would love to have stickys in my Diary as there are things I wish to stay at the top of the categories..
Right now I am changing the dates (which is sort of blows the idea of the dates in my diaries.) so that I can keep the desired info on top...
When you use the access by status button and click on prepare items for printing it should still print the initial comment. It only prints the initial comment if you print from a category. I have my seeds listed, with the status used as the date I need to start them. This is great because I can click on -view by "8 weeks" status- and the seeds I want to start come up, but when I try to print the list it doesn't include the initial comment, which is where I have the seed starting information. Also it should keep the items in the same order you chose to sort them by, when it prepares for printing. I like my items to be listed by order of Genus. Not the common name, which is the default for printing.
I agree it would be nice to fix that--but in the interim if you really want it printed out in a particular order, you don't have to print from that screen, you can always print the original page where you have everything sorted the way you want it. It'll work better if you set it to print landscape instead of portrait, otherwise some of the columns on the right will get cut off. You don't get exactly the same info as when you prepare things for printing (no comments for example), but maybe that would work for some people as a temporary fix.
ecrane3 - if I understand correctly - the only problem with that way is (like you said) you can't include the initial comment. I was trying to use the journal to make seed starting easy - so I need the initial comment included for sowing info on each seed.
However I think the intention of keeping it without the initial comment or enteries is so you can print a list with room to write under each Item. (It leaves a large space between each Item.)
I ended up adding a new category for printing. It is time consuming - but I went into view by status- clicked the wk I want to start and individually cloned each item- then went back in and moved each clone to the new category. (I am going to do each one as I need it because it was quite time consuming.)
This made a new wish for me - Be able to mass edit with the clone option.- Which I read someone else wish for in another thread.
Is there a way to add a search block to locate a plant in your journals, similar to the rid search block? After listing all of my plants by garden beds into my journal, I sometimes forget where my plant is planted. If I had a way of entering the plant name into a search field, I wouldn't have to look through every garden journal to find it.
You already can do that. When you go into your journal, on the top of the main page (and probably all the other pages as well although I didn't check) there are two search boxes at the top of the page, one says jump to RID and the other one says search your journal. I use the search your journal one all the time to search for plants.
I would love the columns to be changed to be more useful when cutting and pasting a plant to a forum or blog. Having it the way it is now is not useful unless the common name and the genus are the same. Thanks, Patti
As it is now.
RID Common name Cultivar Genus Species
Blue Mist Spiraea, Bluebeard Worcester Gold Caryopteris x clandonensis
I would love it to be
RID Genus Species Cultivar Common name
Caryopteris x clandonensis Worcester Gold Blue Mist Spiraea, Bluebeard
langbr, Love that idea. I could then make a spreadsheet for my much needed cultivar lists that could be sorted in alpha order or bed order, of source order and so on and on. The sorting functions are the weakest part of the Journal IMO. And the second is the lack of user designated columns that can be sorted. I want a column for "source" others want "primary color" or "bloom sequence" and so on.
It is wonderful to be able to go to the feature, "search my journal" for a specific cultivar , but when doing a sort for a genus, like Narcissus, for all that are currently in my journal, the list appears in an un-sortable random order (rid order) which is of little use.
I would love to hear if there are any plans to tweak this marvelous feature. I am a huge fan, but always hoping for improvement. But not being a writer of programs I don't know what is feasible. I have been involved since the 80's in a user group for a tracking system used by bookstores. The Information entry and manipulation is so similar between books and plants that I have great hope for DG's journal feature improving. Demanding such new features for such a small yearly amountis asking a lot. I would be happy to pay more for an expanded and improved Journal feature. Patti
I second Patti's comment...I too would be willing to pay extra for an expanded Journal tool.
Sorting is a huge issue for me in the existing Journal system. Again, Patti has captured the reason why perfectly. I want to be able to sort on ALL fields (system and user-defined). I'd like the ability to EXCLUDE items I have marked as Finished. When I search my entire journal system I get results from other secondary journals for items I've coded as Finished. This basically means all the plants at my old residence. (I start a new journal for each home and also separate journals for seed starting).
However, even if given all the ability I can dream up for sorting, I still want to be able to EXPORT data to a CSV file at a minimum. That way I can import it into my labeling software. As it is now, to label all my plants I maintain a separate database of the same exact plants in my label software. Information includes genus, species, cultivar, RID #, and added info such as Hybridizer and ploidy or division (in the case of narcissus or liliums). It would be a huge time saver to just export all the data fields I need (selectable upon execution of the export command) and add a couple of new data sets and print my label lickety-split.
I've not been actively maintaining my journal this summer. I usually save that for a fall/winter project. So I'm a little out of date on my wants & wishes. In a couple of months I could have a nice list of suggested improvements. I know there's some room for improvement in the Clone and Mass Edit features. Also printing output is rudimentary at best. (you don't get images or the choice to include/exclude image entries) You get a string of text basically that's not visually laid out in an easy-to-read manner.
I would love, love, love to provide user feedback and beta testing of improvements and changes to the Journal.
Some feedback or acknowledgment by Admin would be nice. This thread has been going since April 2005. 3-1/2 years. It's a long time to wait for a single post from an Admin (other than the initial opening post I don't see any Admin posts...I could be missing someone though). In any event, an acknowledgment that you still want our input on this topic would be comforting and reassuring at this stage that there is still desire or plan to work on the Journal tool. Or is it a lost cause to hope for improvements?
I don't mean to come off in an offensive manner. I've re-written and re-worded the above several times to insure the tone of what I'm saying comes through right without being misunderstood. I am optimistic, enthusiastic and eager to get started on changes and want to help in any way I can. At the same time, I'm a little disillusioned and somewhat jaded about actually seeing anything happen. And so, I'm just at a point where I just want to know. . .one way or the other. . . no time table required, just a yes or no and maybe a thanks for being persistent.
When you click on "Access All Items" near the top of the home Journal page you get a listing of ALL the items in the active Journal. However, if you then click on the link at the top of the page to "Prepare all items on this page for printing" you get a text version of ALL journal items for ALL journals, not just the active journal and not just the ones displayed on the page the link is clicked from.
I'm not sure why it happens that way when you access all items, but I tested it in my journal and if you go into your individual categories then it only shows the things that were on that page (at least in the couple categories I tried it in). So unless you feel you absolutely must have everything together, the way around it for now is print your things out category by category instead of doing everything at once.
Terry, are there any plans to make any changes in the current DG Journal feature? I still love it, mostly but I still have some major hopes.
My most wanted ones are these 3
1 Change the order of the columns so when coping an entry it can be pasted and make sense.
As is now.
Quoting: Miniature Narcissus, Miniature Daffodil - Golden Bells - Narcissus - bulbocodium var. conspicuus - dell north bed - Jul 20, 2008 - 2008 PLANTED
it would be better if it read in this order IMHO. As it is now it has to be cut and pasted to make sense. "Narcissus bulbocodium var. conspicuus Golden Bells"
Quoting: Miniature Narcissus, Miniature Daffodil - Narcissus - bulbocodium var. conspicuus - Golden Bells - dell north bed - Jul 20, 2008 - 2008 PLANTED
2. Have a source column, or a blank column added to the header that could be used as one needs. As it is now.
Quoting:RID- Common name - Cultivar -Genus - Species - Location - Begin Date - Status - Entries - Actions
with the source or blank added
Quoting: RID - Miniature Narcissus, Miniature Daffodil - Golden Bells - Narcissus - bulbocodium var. conspicuus - dell north bed - Jul 20, 2008 - 2008 PLANTED - Brent & Becky - 1- Add | View
Edit | Delete Move
3. Have a way to have a secondary sort feature. Thus allowing us to sort by say as the primary sort by Genus and then have a secondary sort by say Cultivar as an example. Or by having the primary sort of everything in a particular location, say the veggie bed, and have the ability to have a secondary sort say by the begin date. That would be very helpful for for crop planting and harvesting.
Those are my 3 big hopes, but others have posted many good ideas in the past. Thanks for considering these wants. Patti
Patti, I know Dave is always receptive to ideas, but I also know that right now (and really for most of the next several months) he is up to his neck in 'gators (as the saying goes), with a lot of projects and to-do's. If we haven't revisited this issue by mid-2009, please give us a friendly nudge and ask again, okay?
Terry, Thanks, I will keep my "nudger" at the ready while continuing to keep my ever expanding DG Journal. I will try to list other ideas that pop up as I use the journal noted in my blog. That way when Dave has the time or interest to update the Journal, I will be able to instantly access other possible changes that I think would be nice, too. I love the blog feature. I only have one wish for it. It has become the main place in my life to file all sorts of information. Back now to the winter work of garden planning, ordering and entry work in my Journal of all the new plants that are coming and the seeds that I am about to start. Hope you escaped the ice storm. Patti
In my ideal journal I would be able to set the journal to sort by the names of my plants on a consistent basis, and not have it constantly default to sorting by RID every time I go back to the journal page. This drives me nuts, as I am an English teacher & would rather be able to sort by alphabetical rather than numerical order. (Leave that to the Math teachers!)
There is a long list of wonderful ideas on here. Any plans for an update any time soon. I was suppose to remind you in the summer...Started yesterday, but it feels like a wild fall day here. Branches blowing down with this cool driving rain, a real nor'easter, so I am inside work on my journal. Patti
Another journal 'wish' - to be able to sort by the headers from a results search.Example: when I search 'daylily' - I get all of mine from various categories, which is what I want. But I'd like to be able to sort them by cultivar name.
Okay, so where exactly do we need to pick up? I know many of the '05 changes were made. I'm thinking some of the '07 changes have also been implemented. But I'm not sure exactly where in '07 or '08 to start pulling together a prioritized list from.
Dave sold Dave's Garden a few years ago and then it was sold again recently, with him no longer being anything other then a member. He no longer has any role, but a few of the old admin are still involved. New Kids in charge. Not sure of their plans, but I am hopeful that they will do a major update to the Journal at some point. Patti
And that is a suggestion I will agree with!
More than once I have gone to the journal looking for a date that I received a plant or started a seed but the first journal entry is a large question mark.
Good suggestion ~ Cedar18!
I have many requests that have been listed many times. I think they, like Dave, have put us on ignore. The journal could be way more useful, though I can't live without it even in it's current form. I keep waiting for someone to take interest in this part of the site. Forever hopeful. Patti
I recognize that some things could be better and it would be nice to have a few more features or options. At the same time, I would hate to lose anything that we do have, or have it "broken" from attempted changes. I find it very useful too, and have figured out ways to use it that work best for me.
Oh podster, you are my journal-mate (as opposed to soulmate: I already have my DH for that)! I agree, that would be excellent. I clone plant-entries as I move divisions of plants into other parts of the garden (which is how I use "category" -- for names of beds or garden areas; courtyard, nursery beds, etc.).
But since a search does not show that info (category), you have to click on each one or try to infer from location which category (bed) it is in.
I suspect the journal is an interesting (read: complicated) piece of programming work. Dave programmed it, but even he was a little reticent to tinker with it much. So it's not that your requests are ignored, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to prioritize this for the tech guys, and to look for the changes that would be most helpful to you without causing them to basically re-write the entire thing (and/or tear their hair out in the process.)
I was just wishing that I could keep my journal private to everyone except who I decide to share it with. Kind of like how Picasa lets you give private albums links so only people with links can see it. I like to record seed starting info that I can share however I don't want anyone and everyone looking at everything I put in there. I like how you can do that with the Garden Diaries make certain enteries private. Or another thought would be to add friends that can view it like how only friends see your profile on facebook.
Oh, my, we have raised up admin. Yippee. I know tweaking the Journal is complicated, but it is so loved by many and kind of ignored and in need of some new features and improvements. No need to list them as I am sure poor Terry has been hounded enough by us over the past few years with some of the things on our wish list which are not all the same, but plenty of good ideas floated by in the past.
I would be happy to pay an additional fee for an greatly enhanced version as there is nothing being sold in the computer world that can match DG Journal as connected to Plant Files for entry work, but it would need sorting abilities and ways to use it as printed spread sheet. Now it is old and clunky. Example, even though I said I wouldn't list needs: I have an TBI coming up in a particular bed and I want to ID it as the tag has gone missing. I either have to do a sort on all TBI in my garden and visually scan down through them all (hundreds) to find any that are planted in that particular bed to see if I can match it, or I can do a sort on a particular bed and then go down through that list and try to find any TBI's on that list and try to match it. This list could also contain hundreds of diffenent plants and without any way to sort the list by genus, it is hugely time consuming. So having the ability to do a secondary sort is essential. I could go on, but glad you are still out there Terry. Patti
Now that they have done the Garden Showcase it would only stand to reason that they would make updates to the Journal as they are totally connected. I have to take the information off my journal entries to ID photo's being posted however the way the Journal is set up this process is a complete PITA. There is far too much cutting and pasting to do to get the entry listed correctly. Plus there is no viable way to do a secondary sort after searching my journal so it takes ages to get all the information to post with the photo. I would have posted many more photo's but it takes too long to correctly label them and they are kind of useless without Genus, species and cultivar labels. But not holding my breath. Patti
I am afraid you are right, but If the journal was made more relevant with some tweaking it would be unparallelled as a tool for any gardener. I am sure that more people would use it especially if it could be tied into the Garden Showcase.
Just moving the list into the correct order that is used by the whole garden world would be a huge improvement. Genus, species, Cultivar... then common name. Not too difficult. Then to add a blank space after the status so the user could designate the space for their own needs. I would love to have the source listed, but others might want propagation notes, or bloom color or size. I don't know why we need the heading called entries, so a personalized blank space could use that position IMHO. But all this is wishful thinking. Patti
They are now only available as far as I can figure, if you search your own journal.
Here is how I do it.
Click on Home and on right side you will see:
Guides and Information
Products and Sources
The Garden Watchdog
Ľ Main Page
Jump to RID:
Search your journal:
now type in something in the search box that you are looking for and you will see your photo
example: you want to see all the Narcissus in your garden( or daffodils, depending how you list them), type in Narcissus and you will get a list with all that are in your journal. You can search by any category that is in your journal such as location or status etc. Hope this helps with our current Journal mess. Patti
I am hoping you have found something I can no longer do or have a new bug. But as I see it, now as before you can click on view for each item in your journal and see a picture of that one selected item. But before we could see all pictures next to rid column and then for more information about what had been entered in comment field about a specific entry you would then selected view. However, before we could scroll through our entire journal or through any specific category in the journal and see all the entered pictures next to rid column. I now have to do a sort any recognized catsgory such as by location or Genus or date to lump a group together so I can see the photos so I can ID a plant. This is especially helpful with any collection of plants like my narcissus collection or primula etc so the new way to see photo's works, mostly, just different. However one giant loss is that I can no longer look at all the plants that I buy from a specific source as I once could as that catagory isn't recognized even though that is my sub catagory for all entries in my journal. Hope we get this fixed, but thinking it is a dead request like everything on this thread. Patti
In an effort to try to discern if I'm just not understanding (vs actually seeing the screen differently for some reason or having maybe found a different way to 'get there'), I decided to take a screen shot to illustrate what I was trying to say yesterday. Low and behold, when I went back to the page, the same one I had viewed yesterday, to get a screen shot, the pictures were gone - but they were there yesterday.
After some head scratching to try to make sense of all this, I discovered something very interesting. What I found may be helpful to the developers in troubleshooting the issue. It may also provide a way for us to get to those missing pictures. Explanation below.
The 2 images below are screenshots from my journal. Both were taken a few minutes ago and both show the same entry "Play To Win" circled in red. The two pages do not show identical entries because of a sorting glitch in the system (explanation in a minute), but we can still use them to compare the "Play To Win" entry.
As you will immediately notice, the 1st image (below) has the iris thumbnails (or pictures), including the one for Play To Win. This is what I was seeing yesterday when I wrote the post questioning you guys about the problem. The 2nd image, however, has no thumbnails not even the one for Play To Win - even though both images were taken today just a minute or so apart! The 2nd image appears to illustrate what you have been seeing and describing.
The differences between these 2 images is a function of how I arrived at the screen, believe it or not. For Image 2 I clicked on "My Journal" to reach this page. For Image 1, I got there by choosing "my info" and the selecting "Read DreamOfSpring's Garden Journal." Now I do realize the latter method is not the correct way to view one's journal, but it's what I apparently did yesterday when in a hurry and momentarily confused by the changes to the menus. I just couldn't find the "My Journal" link right away at the time.
It would appear I actually have uncovered another glitch in the system. You may be able to use this glitch to view those thumbnails in the mean time, until they get it fixed. Depending on what you want to do on the page, you may need to use both screens, one to view the pics and the other to access some of the stuff that is chopped off on the other screen. Not perfect but a possible work around.
Oh, and the reason I ended up with the 2 pages sorted differently is if you take the Image 2 route (using "My Journal") the system sorts them by name automatically. If you take the Image 1 route (using the "my info" screen) the entries are not sorted (same behavior as Journal always had). I took Image 1 (not sorted) 1st. When I got to the screen to take Image 2, it was sorted automatically. I could not 'unsort' the screen for Image 2, and I was too lazy to go back to redo Image 1. (I mention this both to explain this mystery and to point out yet another behavioral difference between the 2 screens).
I find that very helpful! Thank you for taking the time to explain! I had spent so much time changing the way I had my Daylilies listed in the categories just so the pictures would show a certain way. I find it helpful when moving plants out of season, to be able to see what they look like. I would click the column I wished to categorize by to help me figure out what plants will work where. Not sure if that makes sense to others. I'd probably have to screen shot to explain it properly, but one column I used to list the bloom season. With Daylilies I have them as Early, Mid, Mid late Etc. I used this with other plants as well, such as Narcissus. It is very helpful when you are trying to accomplish successive bloom and have a gap. The pictures help to decide if I am missing any colors for that bloom period or if I have way less that bloom at a certain time, etc. I also changed on column to say White Daylily or Pink Daylily etc. So that way I could sort by that column to see all the plants that were in the same color family all at once.
I am not sure if it would even work anymore now. I will have to try it out the way you have explained.
The work-around method I gave above that allowed me to access my journal and see the thumbnail shots of my flowers will only work if your journal is public. This is true because accessing one's journal via one's info page is analogous to viewing it as another person (not the journal owner); consequently, you will not be able to access your journal this way as long as it is private.
Depending on how important it is to you to be able to see your thumbnails, you might want to consider making your journal public temporarily, just until the journal problem is fixed. I have no idea how long that will be, however.
To get an idea what you would be able to see if you were to change your journal to public temporarily, you can try out this access method using another person's journal. Just click on that person's user name to go to their access page. For instance, you could click on my name and follow the links to view my journal this way. If you do try mine, be aware that I have multiple journals, so when you get to the 1st page of my journal, you will need to choose "Default Journal" from the list of journal options to go to the one that has pictures. Also, note that my journal doesn't have pictures for all plants. Just scan down the pages to see the ones that do. Roses, irises, camellias, and daylilies may be some of the better options for finding pics.
As to your other question about sorting, I checked and you can still sort your journal by the various columns regardless of whether you access your journal as yourself (choose "My Journal") or as someone else (from the "my info" page). Hope this helps.
Wow, Dream of Spring. Thanks so much for your explanation of the missing pics and a possible workaround. I thought it was just me! I do hope they get that fixed. Being able to assign pics to my journal is a main reason I am a DG member. I too am having difficulty navigating the new menus. I can never FIND my journals /blogs. It used to be so easy.
I have been away with no cell or computer while up at family cottage. Now on cell phone on ferry heading home. Can't wait to see your back door attack to see photo's in journal. Too hard to read on cell phone, but a big thank you for all your work. I will read it all tonight. Patti
I hope the workaround helps, and thanks for letting me know it is useful. With respect to the menus, I think they removed what they saw as redundant access points or menus. I believe I saw that in an admin post somewhere. Before there were multiple ways to get to things like the journal, via different menus. Apparently they pared it down to just one. As a result, many of the menus we had grown accustomed to are no longer available. I think once we get used to the new menus, we will probably find them just as easy to use and find.
I hope the workaround will help. It isn't perfect, but it's probably better than nothing. Like I said, I stumbled upon it by accident while trying to understand why I could see journal pics and you could not. The answer, of course, was that I was doing it 'incorrectly'.
jnn - go to your journal, click "view" on a specific item, scroll down almost to the bottom. Click "External View", then click "Back to jnn's Journal homepage." If you have more than one journal, click on the one you want to share. Now you can copy/paste the url into an email or Facebook or anywhere you like. Here's mine:
Is this thread still active? I just found it today. If so, here is my wish list.
First, I should say that I actually use my journal as a plant database, not as a typical "journal". I haven't had time to really work with it yet, but from what I've seen the "My Blog" feature looks like it could be used as a normal journal. I started reading this thread and found some ideas I hadn't thought of, so I copied/pasted into this message along with my own.
#1: I've started adding entries for birds and butterflies into my journal in separate categories from the plants. It would be extremely helpful if there were links in BirdFiles and BugFiles to add the items to my journal, the same as in PlantFiles. It would save me a lot of copy/paste to the "Genus" & "Species" and then having to copy/paste the url for the specific BirdFiles or Bugfiles page into the "Initial Comments".
#2: Export DG journal data as a .csv file
#3: Start Date could be on "Initial Comments" line, like the entries ie:
Jun 21, 2014: Initial Comments
#4: Currently you can click on the column headings in the View Category listing, but I'd like for it to sort both Ascending to Descending AND Descending to Ascending. Just click a second time to toggle would work.
#5: It would be great to be able to add a photo to an entry after the entery has been created while in the Edit Entry mode. Also to be able to delete a photo from an entry without having to delete the whole entry.
#6: I would like to be able to access plants by location, so I could choose a garden area and see all the plants in it.
#7: Have "Location" set up the same as status: Statuses (Add/Edit statuses) and milestones: Milestones (Add/Edit milestones). Also, then be able to access by location, same as "Access by Status:"
#8: Ability to access by milestones, same as "Access by Status:". I have "Bloom start date" as a milestone, for example. If I could access items by that milestone, and sort the results, I could see which plants might look good planted together.
#9: I would like to be able to add pictures to milestones. Now I have to enter a milestone, and then add an entry for a picture to show first bloom, etc.
#10: Allow To Do Items to be created that arenít tied to a specific Journal Item. The reason is that sometimes my To Do item has more to do with general garden maintenance and not a specific plant in my Journal. For example: Time for Spring fertilizer.
#11: Sometimes a "Select All" with the ability to uncheck the few I don't want in the group would be helpful, as would the use of Shift-Select to Select a bunch of items at once.
#13: A drawing program that allows one to draw the basic shape of one's garden bed and "place" plants where you think they should go so that you could get an idea of what your garden will look like. Preferrably this would all be to scale to get a more accurate picture. I think melody mentioned this in a DMail 2 years ago. Any progress?
#14: The ability to have a master journal with all the categories set up, and the ability to clone it to a "year" journal ie: option to copy a journal to a new one, rather than move all items.
#15: Allow a sort by headers after a journal search.