I thought perhaps it would be a good idea to start a new thread since the other one is getting very long and the race is on as the buds mature. So, please all you Epi lovers...post your buds or flower images here!
Edited to Add a Links to the prior threads for Epi Lovers!
Would it be cheeky to start this thread with a question about what the heck this is????? It's another of my Dead Sea trip adoptees...this one was popped off of the GIGANTIC Mama plant with permission from one of the residents. No info on what the heck it is though. They did say that it has great big flowers...couldn't remember when or what color though LOL...very helpful ;-). At least they were generous and let me take a baby :-).
I have a couple of pieces in among my big Epi pots, they've never bloomed and have small but very sharp pickers. This is only a guess because of the triangular shape, Hylocereus undatus http://www.ecology.org/orchids/index5.html#epiCacti
Scroll down a bit and the last sentence for this entry is:
Quoting:The species is easily recognisable by the triangular cross-section of its stem and the minimal spines.
Mine are relatively small, perhaps 1 1/2 inches across the cross section. Whatcha think?
Yup, I think you're right Candy. And that answers a question I have about another triangular stemmed cutting I was given at the garden center last summer. Thank you for helping with that. If it does turn out to be this, I certainly won't be disappointed :-)
Now back to our regularly scheduled Epi program...
I figured I was rushing it a bit with a "flowers" thread, but not too soon at all. I think the "reds" are so hard to capture...the color is just so intense it messes with the camera's brain! It's a lovely Epi!
Julie, the buds that you posted over at the old thread are cool! They look great! I agree with Candy that your cacti is probably Hylocereus undatus. I have that one too. It could also be Hylocereus polyrhizus, which is very similar in flower, but the fruit has red flesh inside. The picture of the fruit over at PlantFiles is not right, I don't think. Here is a link which shows the differences in the fruit: http://tfphotos.ifas.ufl.edu/
Hi Antoinette! How are you dear? I hope you are okay. Your red one is gorgeous! I have a cutting from you labelled "Small Orange" that has two buds! Yay!
I knew it, I knew it! Never should have looked at this thread, cuz now I have to find a way to have some of these, too! Is it too dry here to grow them outside? Oh, dear, where am I going to put them?
Oh, I'm really in trouble now; I've just got to have one of those big beautiful flowers!
BTW, I have a CC (well, actually it's two holidays in one pot) that has not been happy in our new house. It's very big -- can I move it outside? Should I repot it? It bloomed a lot at our old place. After reading H's thread, I think it hasn't cooled enough -- this house is much warmer. What do y'all think?
Julie, I am not detecting any fragrance just yet, but I will check on it tomorrow.
Kathleen, you should see some of Candy's previous threads where she posts some amazing pictures of flowers which are to die for. I'll dig them up for you tomorrow. I've got to get some sleep now. Yes, the CC should be moved outside and kept outside all year in your zone. It does need reduced light and cooler temperatures to set buds. I keep mine outside all year on the semi-covered patio. There are some great places to get epi's, but they start easily from cuttings if you can trade for them or get your hands on them somehow. I'll list some sources for you tomorrow. Nighty-nite!
Clare, that is one gorgeous flower. Now, is that an epi or what?
Pardon my ignorance, but am just learning about these plants in the last 6 months. Have always been around Xmas cactus's that my mother and grandmother had, plus MIL.
No flowers here yet, but here's an update on the buds. During our recent precipitous drop in temps the tiny buds looked shrunken, rather dark in color, and generally fairly sad. They seem to be rebounding, but are still quite small and don't seem to be progressing very fast. I am however more hopeful than I was a few days ago.
As I mentioned at the top of the thread to Julie, I also have a few pieces of the "triangular" shaped leaves in the big Epi pots. Their thorns are nasty and they have never bloomed in all these years. Several different pieces now have buds on them. The buds are easy to distinguish from the Epi buds as seen in the next two images.
Well, Clare, you're not going to believe this turn of events!
I looked at some of the threads you so kindly passed on to me, and saw one where Candy mentioned the web site http://euphorbia.de
One of the menu items that caught my eye (no pun intended) was "Beware of the Poison." You see, for the past two days I've had terrible pain and burning in my left eye. I thought it was allergy related, but today it got so bad I was ready to go to urgent care. Finally, resting my eyes and flushing them repeatedly with drops began to help, but I will still have them checked when I go in for a routine check on Thursday. The symptoms were all there on the web site -- extremely painful -- and I remember wondering about the white sap on the Euphorbia I planted on Sunday.
So, there you go, one never knows how helpful information will be when it's given! I certainly know to be careful now. Thanks again.
I've tried to remember to always make a note on the Euphorbias that I enter in the PlantFiles of this information about the latex found in Euphorbia (even the non-succulent forms can be problematic). It is important to be careful around them...I have a good sized collection of them and have learned to treat them with respect. I was being completely careless within the last couple of years when I burned my face, not on a specimen in my collection, but in dealing with a Gopher spurge outside the back fence.
Kathleen, I'm so sorry about your eye, and I'm so glad that you were able to figure out the cause of this injury. I had heard about the white sap causing eye injury. The white sap in plumerias will also cause eye injury. Do take care of yourself.
Candy, your epi's look great as always, and I predict you will have more flowers than you have ever had before. We'll be watching those buds carefully, especially the unusual-looking ones that haven't bloomed before. Those are cool!
I'm glad you started a new thread. I didn't post on the other one, but lurked there occassionally looking for some pretty epi pics.
I've only got 2 epi's that my mom gave me, a pink and a red. The pink is blooming now and the red should be open any day. The buds are huge on the red, at least 6" long. I'll try to get some pics to post.
So glad to see some new faces joining us, welcome!
Clare and Gourd both have flowers and now jody too! Jody send your pics...it's been a long dry spell since last year's flowers!
As we move into the flowering season let's not forget these other tidbits:
None of us have mentioned it lately, but would we all still agree that this is about the world's homeliest plant except when it's blooming????? Not a pretty sight if they live outside and are grown "hard."
And how about those snails???? They are just waiting for you to turn your back. Don't let up on the snail bait just because there are flower buds...those are what the snails wait all year for too! (Just sprinkle a few pellets in the top of the plant and replenish as needed. I've been using Sluggo for a couple of years because it is safe around pets.)
And there are different schools of thought on fertilizing tecniques, but my Epi's are especially hungry this time of year and are getting their regular doses of fish emulsion every couple of weeks.
And we need pictures!! I do believe these are very vain plants and the more pictures you take the more buds you will get during the following seasons! :-)
Candy, thanks for those reminders! I forgot to get more snail pellets at the weekend and now i need to be doubly sure i don't forget this coming weekend...the plants will all be due for a sprinkle then :-)
And yep, some of the Epis sure wouldn't win any beauty contest as a plant without blooms LOL. Een when every stem is healthy and green and "lovely" the plant's lanky sprawly habit just makes it look like a mess. Oh well...the flowers make it worth it...and the homeliness can be hidden if the plants are growin in hanging baskets...surrounded by other prettier plants like fuchsias ;-)
One of my littler buds got knocked off somehow. Luckily it was the smallest bud of all, so I refuse to be upset about it. I'm focused on that great big one...now about 6 inches long :-)
Candy, thanks for the reminders. I don't have a snail problem fortunately -- at least not in the back patio where my epi's are. They are all in front eating my brugs! I use Corey's Snail Bait, I think it is called. But you are right that the weathered look of epi's that are out all year is not that attractive. Although, I really do like the look of epi's in urns. Costco had some amazing urns that I would love to have for my epi's, but they are more than I can afford at this time. Someday, I will set all my epi's up in urns.
Julie, I'm sorry about your smaller bud. That happened to me too. I am looking forward to seeing your large one!
Clare - I may have to make a trip to Costco tomorrow to see what they are like. After the big pots are done blooming this year, I'm going to tear them all apart and repot. I think it has been four years since I last did it...will throw out all the existing potting soil, clean up all the fronds and repot in more than the existing three containers. Hopefully I will get them marked for color and size which I keep threatening to do, but never seem to get around to it.
K - I think we have twins...some of mine look just like that!
Donna - I've never bought from him, have you checked the GardenWatchdog? Let us know if you do order plants about condition etc.
Thanks, Kathleen:-) To tell you all the truth, the colored day-blooming ones are beautiful, but it is the white night-blooming fragrant ones which really excite me. I'm a big fragrance buff, and I want all the flowers in my garden to be both beautiful and fragrant, but I make a lot of exceptions:-) I think, for the most part, the day-blooming colored ones are not fragrant and the night-blooming white ones are fragrant; right, Candy? But it is nice to add color to the garden too.
Only my white day blooming ones are extremely fragrant, the pink ones don't have much of a scent at all. Before we moved here 7 years ago my Epis all lived in an enclosed pool area and when the white ones bloomed it was almost overwhelming, similar to the amount a fragrance from a Brug at night in the garden. I don't know if my experience is true of all Epis or not.
Got all involved in the garden today...major pocket gopher invasion, so I never got to Costco today Clare, but am determined to hit there tomorrow and a few nurseries that are on the same course...gotta make that gas usage mean something!
Candy, I know what it is to get wrapped up in the garden as you complete one chore or task after another.
Thanks for the info about the fragrant white day-blooming epi's. I did not know that! I think I do have a white day-blooming one and will check it for scent when it blooms. You may have lucked out and got a special day-blooming scented one because I think most day-bloomers don't have much of a scent, but I could be wrong about that. As my day-bloomers bloom, you can bet I will be sticking my nose in each one and reporting back:-)
Candy, my E. oxipetalum that I had all those years ago was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fragrant that it made my entire house smell terrific for the whole day after it bloomed (it was inside my house when it bloomed). It looked so sad during the day, but the fragrance lingered so nicely :-) I hope this one will be similar. Although I'm still concerned about the one I have now being a real E. oxipetalum...time will tell either way :-)
Candy, I'm, I'm, I'm...speechless! Look at all you've done in just 7 years! In your pics of today it almost seems like your garden has no borders...with so many twists and turns and hideaways. WOW! If you've done all that in 7 years, I REALLY can't wait to see what you'll do with your new gigantic garden! I'll be here, on the edge of my seat :-)
Well, here's an updated pic of my largest Epi buds. Now I'm convinced this is indeed NOT E. oxipetalum. :-( The bud is about to open on the largest one and it isn't anywhere near long enough to be the one I used to have. The bud on my old plant grew to nearly two feet...growing first upwards, then arching downwards and finally the tip of the bud "stem" arched upwards again days before opening...and the flower opened with a slight upwards tilt and was about 8 inches across and had a lovely scent. It opened in mid-July at around midnight and lasted until morning. Classic E. oxipetalum scenario as far as all the literature I've read on it is concerned. So this one that I have now, seeing as it's about to bloom in April and the bud growth habit isn't anywhere similar to what I expected...I just don't think it's E. oxipetalum. I'm sure it will be lovely. And I will adore it. But I'm pretty disappointed seeing as I was so happy to have finally (after a decade of searching) found a replacement for my old plant that I loved so much.
Also, the buds I was so happy about on my rikrak cactus turned out to just be baby stems afterall. Drat! Oh well...
In any case, here's the updated photo of my largest buds on my Epi. :-)
Candy, those pictures are great! I didn't know you had so much room:-) I guess I pictured you living like my brother does in San Francisco in one of those houses so close to each other with barely any gardening room!
Julie, I'm so sorry that you don't have Epiphyllum oxypetalum, but I'm sure that what you have will be beautiful! That bud is huge! I can't wait to see what it is. I bet you will find a Epi oxy one of these days when you least expect it.
I'm hoping that your white one (mayve it will be peach or pinky?) is like mine...extremely fragrant! It looks to be about the right size, I remember one year when I only had one white bloom...but it was 12" across! I've heard that debudding them (like you would a Dahlia to get a show quality bloom) doesn't really work with Epis...the flower is gonna be what the flower is whether you de-bud or not. Don't know if it's true, but I'm not about to try it out. LOL
Clare - we have 1/4 acre because we are way out in the burbs. I guarantee it isn't very big when you take the footprint of the house/garage/driveway out of it. The thing that has really saved me is having the open space beyond the back fence where I have been gardening in a wildland setting for about 5+ years. That's space that I'm now using to propagate cuttings and such for when we move sometime next year.
Oh, my, Candy. I didn't know you are moving. I feel for you. Moving is not easy. I plan to do the same thing, and when that time comes, I'll be propagating like crazy also. Our move will be out of state, and I just don't know how much I will be able to take with me. The worst case senario though is that I will take epi, plumeria, and brug cuttings and throw them in a cardboard box and move them like that and start over. The best case senario is that I can move all my container plants as they are. I hope you are moving to a bigger place:-)
If we can ever get through the BS of all the paperwork, it will be sometime next year. And it will be bigger and I will be taking at least 75% of my plants with me. That should leave a reasonable amount of plants for a yard this size...besides whoever buys it will probably bull-doze it and put in a big LAWN & POOL!
Candy, that is an amazing thread. I never get over there to that forum, but I should. Congrats on acquiring a wonderful piece of property! How wonderful that will be for you. I'm so jealous. I'm after the same thing as you but can only afford Colorado soil, not California soil. I can't wait to see your new place as it develops and comes together. Congrats on owning a little piece of heaven.
What an incredible piece of land. Congratulations on your success Happenstance, that is an amazing area. As a bit of a newbie to this whole retirement thing, I can relate to all of the things it takes to do the BIG move. When Pam and I left the coast for this bit of land (10ac total/ 5 in use) I was and am still a bit overwhelmed by all of the setup for a combination horse breeding ranch and hopefully a one of a kind garden. After several trips back and forth to Europe, Canada, Mexico, East Coast U.S., and the Midwest purchasing the foundation mares, I got to learn how to build corrals, barns...and all the other structures needed for a horse ranch...the permits, inspections, and red tape were a nightmare I don't want to repeat.
It actually took three years of horsie stuff before I could seriously begin planning and building garden spaces. You are waaay ahead of the game.
Candy, what a beautiful place you will have. We just moved into our little piece of heaven a year ago last week and though we are still close to traffic (the hwy to the casinos), being able to look out the windows and see pine trees, critters, birds, and mountains is wonderful. DH and I often stand at the window together and just look...
Glad your easement troubles seem to have been mild and here's hoping your grading goes (or has gone?) smoothly. We could have used Arnold around here a few times, too! Wait til the inspectors start --- OY!
Hey, Clare, there aint nuttin bad about Colorado soil! I'd take it over California any day! Some of the best memories of my childhood are from the years I spent in Colorado :-) And there's nothing in the world that can beat the Rocky Mountains...in my not so humble opinion :-)
Glad you all enjoyed the info about my Field of Dreams...but we have flowers from Jody!
They are wonderful Jody, I especially like the first paler pink. So pretty! Rainy and drizzly again here this morning, hope it burns off and we get some sunshine in the garden. I am assuming you have yours inside or in some sort of GH or sunroom?
Yes, they are in the greenhouse. I'll be putting them out for the summer soon. These things have gotten huge and need to be bumped up a pot size first though. Whoever said they are ugly sure was right! LOL. They look their worst this time of year after being in the cool gh for the winter. At least they have amazing flowers to make up for it.
Rainy here today too with a cold front coming through causing thunder showers. It's ok though, we haven't had any rain for a week or two.
Jody, your flowers are awesome! Thanks for posting them!
Julie, thanks so much for the encouragement. It's the short growing season that I am worried about, and I will have to have a greenhouse because my favorites like Brugmansias, Plumerias, and epi's won't be able to live outside during the winter! I've been so spoiled here in that I leave everything outside all year long, and I can play in the garden in barefeet and shorts in January. I won't be able to do that in Colorado! But at least I will be able to afford a home there. Me no likely to be cold! The other thing is I don't want to be old and cold. I can see myself having to go shovel the driveway in 20 years when I'm 60 just to go to the store. I'm a spoiled California girl for sure.
We can create a trade group after our blooms are gone. Each of us can list how many of which color we have available and can take requests by "first come, first served". Does anyone have a better idea? This is pretty simplistic...I'm sure it can be improved upon. We all would love to increase our personal Epi communities!
Either that or we can do a "blind" trade. #1 person on the list of participants can start, say, send 5 leaves to #2 person on the list, then that person sends 5 leaves on to the next...might be fun to have to wait to see what we get...might be easier too.
I would love to be included in trading of epi's. I have Night blooming rooted white, red unknown name cuttings, another I was told is Showboat cuttings , but not sure now. Here is the picture.If someone knows the name plmk. It is in bud right now , so I would have to wait until after it blooms.
Julie, I just went there...I know how you feel. I just had this overwhelming sadness and bottomless pit in my stomach when mine died. I wonder if they couldn't come up with some sort of water proof covering for gardeners who take camera outside.
I don't have anything to trade at this point. I'm just starting out with epi's, and mine are just putting on some growth. I just cut off a new leaf of a red to trade with Sandy though because I can't resist a white fragrant 12" flower, but that is the last trade I'm going to do for awhile. I'll be able to trade more next year when I have more growth to cut from.
Just a quick announcement to make: I just found a few more buds on some newly rooted cuttings. These were cuttings that I got last year from Antoinette. Yay! That's the good news. The bad news is my schedule is changing again, and I am taking on more work and more classes during the week and on Saturdays, which means I'll be here at Dave's a lot less starting tomorrow. I meant to announce this sooner but time got away from me. I'll certainly check in when I can, but I suspect that most of my free time will be spent watering in the garden. I promise to take pictures and post them when I can.
Candy, my white one is like a great big fluffy fat egg now. Tonight must be the night! I'm sooooo excited...regardless of whether or not it's an E. oxipetalum or not! LOL I'll let you all know how lovley it is even if I can't post a pic :-)
Well, now the bud is 9 inches long, the bulbous part (from now on referred to as "the flower"), where the actual flower is, is 3 1/2 inches long and 2 1/2 inches across. The flower is 100% effaced and 2 1/2 centimeters dilated ;-). I can see inside of it but none of the petals have stretched outwards yet. I'm about to get that glass of wine I talked about on the last thread :-). This is so exciting!!!!!
Candy, we've got an old 35mm (not THAT old, but pre-digital) that we never got repaired because we bought the digital. grrrrrrr Oh well. I'll try to get a pic of it on the video camera in half an hour (after the battery has a chance to charge a bit...oops LOL). DH has a program for capturing stills off a video...now just to see if he can find the program and remember how to do it (but he said he'd try, so fingers crossed :-).
Okay ladies, I've got the video and will upload a pic if/when Dh figures out how to capture the stills from the video. The flower is really gorgeous and except for the time of year and the length/growth habit of the bud I'd sware that this flower is an E. oxypetallum. The flower is white, 7 1/2 - 8 inches across, smells heavenly...truly worth the decade wait! :-) Even my DH who typically couldnt' care less about any individual flower said "WOW, that's amazing!" :-) The kids said "That's really cool!" and "It's so beautiful!". So, rave reviews all around :-)
In any case, I've finally decided for sure that it's NOT an E. oxipetalum. Here's what my old one looked like (a REAL E. oxipetalum): http://biodiversity.georgetown.edu/searchfiles/picture.cfm?IDnumber=737&image=3 ... something that looks like it's about to say "Feed me Seymour!" LOL The bud stem on the one I have now isn't even half as long and doesn't do that down the up arch nearly as dramatically as a real E. oxi. But mine is pretty and that makes me happy ... for now... I'll still be on a desperate search for a real E. oxi until I find one (even if it takes me another decade or two!!!)
Man, I HOPE mine survive! I went to the GARU and left them outside. Temps Friday night were close to freezing, and certainly into hard frost Saturday and Sunday nights. A good friend from 40 miles away came over and brought them inside sometime Saturday.
Only 2 mature ones, but about 20-30 rooted starts...
Julie, congrats on your Epi bloom! Doesn't it have to be a Epi oxy if it is a white fragrant night-blooming flower? I think the only other night-blooming fragrant white ones have foliage which look distinct and different; however, there seems to be different hybrids of Epi oxy as not all flowers seem to be the same size.
:-) It is the best thing growing in our family this year that's for sure.
She's due in Nov, so we have a long way to go, but I'm already thinking "pink", but would be just as happy w/baby blue. DS & DIL have given us a girl (9) and a boy (7) and DD has a 2 1/2 year old boy. He's my best buddy 2-3 days a week while his mommy works in her vet practice.
We've gone a whole day without any new flower pics...and since I have no flowers YET, I guess I'll have to post some buds. They are progressing, have improved a bit since last week, but still look puny and not as big as they should be. More sun, more warmth, and some hope thrown in that they mature into real flowers!
WOW WOW WOW Candy! Now that's a LOT of buds! COOL!
How fun for you that you get to have your grandson 3 times a week :-) And how wonderful and fun for HIM! He must think you have a magical garden with all those lovely plants and fish and frogs and toads and lizards... :-) I'll keep my fingers crossed that her first relevant ultrasound will show pink ribbons in your future :-)
Well, now ... having already given up hope on mine being an Epi oxi, I'm pleased to report that my plant has made up for his species inadequacies by blooming for more than the traditional one night only. It's 27 hours later and he's still just as perky and happy and pretty as he was when he fully opened up last night :-). So what he lacks in species, he made up for in enthusiasm :-)
What a gorgeous one to start you off on a very exciting season! And a great series of photos to honor this first beauty :-)...and what a beauty she is too! I can't wait to see more more more from your garden Candy! :-)
Glad you all enjoyed the birth of this pretty blossom...it is amazing to literally see them open. If you actually sit and watch, you can occasionally see a petal "snap" away from the body of the flower as it opens up.
My three large tubs and this smaller pot cutting that I purchased a year or so ago from a home center are all called Epis, epis, epiphyllum(s). That's what I call them and unless you are into the DNA of plants I doubt that there is a more accurate and/or valid name. These were all purchased as cuttings, some as long ago as 25 years.
I would think that K is correct with the E. oxypetalum ID...the growth habit is a lot different than that of the Epi hybrids we've been posting images of. The leaves are a lot thinner, wavy, and get those long thin "stems." Take a look at this link and see if it doesn't look like your plant.
Candy, nope I wasn't determined, the guy that owns the cactus and succulent market was determined. I was just too eager to believe ;-). I knew it didn't look like what I remembered, but I told myself that my 10 year old memory must've gotten muddled. It hadn't. I was also thinking that Corky's was an Epi oxy, but I didn't want to say so until you more experienced Epi lovers took a look. In any case, when she gets a bloom, I for one will be on the edge of my seat waiting for a look at it :-)
I just wanted to let you know I have been lurking on your most wonderful Epi threads and I am really enjoying your gorgeous flowers.
The amount of Epis I have are only limited by my growing room. But I learned this Winter that I can overwinter some of these pots in my garage!! So that is good news. :-)
About Corky's Epi? From here it looks like Epi oxypetalum to me! Oxypetalum has alternating margins along the pad, hers does too. In nature, long skinny shoots would develop roots for climbing and holding on, with pads growing out from that. Looking at the pictures, I would think that Corky's plant has a lot of new tender growth, it looks like a fairly young plant? But to be sure of the id, one always has to see the flowers.
My Epis are now all on the deck, and I noticed some very tiny buds starting on my red one. I moved the monster oxypetalum out yesterday evening. It got a natural pruning that way.
btw I am the kammlott.net person, tickled pink to see my link here.
So glad you joined us and hope you stick around and help us with ID's and some wonderful blooms to share! If you have images to share, try posting them to the new thread which continues this saga since this one is again getting really long!
Ursula, I'm sitting here so envious! Your E. oxipetalum is so lovely! Why oh why can't I find an E. oxipetalum?!?!?!?!!? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What I wouldn't do for a small little cutting...if only I could find someone here in Israel with one they were willing to share a bit of :-(