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dpmichael
Rethymno, Crete
Greece
(Zone 10b)

June 28, 2001
2:05 PM

Post #7351

Dave and someone else (sorry, Alzheimer settling..) suggested the fermentation method for tomato seeds.
Good old Dimitri tried the trick for mulberry seeds that a few people asked for. Guess: yakky frothy smelly fluid with ALL seeds on the top! And now how do I separate the seeds from the ****?

Help!!
Dimitri
dave

June 28, 2001
2:42 PM

Post #87966

Hi Dimitri,

Yakky frothy smell? Sounds like my kitchen right now! :-) This means that the fermentation process is well underway.

Only the good seeds will sink, however, and the non-viable seeds will float. If all your seeds are floating, my only guess is that these seeds simply are not viable. I did some searches on Google and found that Mulberry fruits benefit from fermentation, so it looks like you're doing everything right.

The fruit is completely ripe when you did this?

Dave
dpmichael
Rethymno, Crete
Greece
(Zone 10b)

June 28, 2001
9:12 PM

Post #88059

Hello, man!!

Yes it was ripe, it really was. It stuck on my fingers and I had to find water and tissue because I needed to drive, etc etc

So now I just wait??
It smells like i am doing mulberry vinegar in there.


Thanks for the reassurance, anyway - and it is all an experiment, because here NOBODY raises mulberries from seed!


Dimitri

melody

melody
Benton, KY
(Zone 7a)


June 28, 2001
11:08 PM

Post #88097

The rule of thumb is that if it sinks ,it's good...if it floats,it's bad. That ain't actually so for every variety.
I don't know about mulberry seeds..but that may be what is going on. Try stirring the mess and see if you have any sinkers. If they all still float,my suggestion would be to pour the stuff through a strainer and wash the seeds under running water. This won't get rid of your dead seeds,but it will clean the whole mess.I'd wait till the fermentation time was complete. After cleaning ,see if some sink then.
If they all float...do a germination test before you send them out to people. Then you'll know for sure.
dave

June 28, 2001
11:32 PM

Post #88110

Also... I have noticed that the seeds from tomatoes that I have fermented sometimes (depending on the variety) will float for the first couple days. After a couple of stirrings, they finally settle at the bottom.

Once the process is complete, I make sure to put the seeds in a new glass of clean water. Any floaters at that point are discarded. But, again, this is my experience with tomatoes, not mulberries. Keep us posted Dimitri.

Dave
dpmichael
Rethymno, Crete
Greece
(Zone 10b)

June 29, 2001
11:49 PM

Post #88450

Hi Melody !! I should remember it was you that first mentioned fermentation for seeds. I than kyou very much for all your advice and support. I can't wait to try your seeds.

Hi Dave !! All frothy, sour smell, and totally vomicious appearance - perhaps I cooked the principle too hard - wait and see, wait and see.

Dimitri
marshseed
Santa Barbara, CA

June 30, 2001
1:54 AM

Post #88485

The seeds probably have a gel covering that lead to early floating; as fermenting works through the gel, the viable seeds should settle. Hope you started with a pretty thick puree and not too much water. Given warm temperatures, the process ought to be over in 4-6 days.
dpmichael
Rethymno, Crete
Greece
(Zone 10b)

June 30, 2001
12:58 PM

Post #88595

marsheed, I started wi thick puree and now have thick frothy smelly puree. waiting for the future to clarify..
Dimitri
marshseed
Santa Barbara, CA

June 30, 2001
9:55 PM

Post #88730

Dimitri,

Try adding just enough water (untreated) to float the mass, stir well with a stick or utensil, and check to see if seed sinks.

When I start a new batch, I try to remove as much skin and solid pulp/flesh as practical. I stir at least twice a day because some aeration is needed for process.

Marsh
dpmichael
Rethymno, Crete
Greece
(Zone 10b)

July 1, 2001
2:55 PM

Post #88994

Alas, poor me!! What a tragedy have I gotten my wardrobe into !! A tiny little corner where no one would find it and start complaining, to place just a little glass with some seeds in it... and then froth, and smell, and yakyness itself!! Alas!!
Now I must find a bigger glass, more water, shake but not stir, more froth, no soda, no ice...what a potion of secrecy and gardenial ecstasy am I preparing?? All they asked me for was a few seeds... I had better eat the mulberries and spit the seeds out!!

And then, some thinking: Some people here in DG told me to buy dry dates if I wanted to plant the pips to make palm trees, so I went to the mulberry tree again, and instead of picking fresh sweet juicy mulberries, I pulled the dried ones off the pavement, and they are going in the mail tomorrow!! Alleluja ! Ole ! Whatever !!

Dimitri

PS: The frothy lot will have to complete the course and if you see me in the winter and think my trenchcoat smells of something, I will be rude.
Also, the people at the village saw me picking the berries from the ground and since I am considered a serious doctor, they now suspect that I have a peculiar cure (ointment??) for arthritis, containing mulberries..

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