Salvias and other stuff I don't know what it is from Rainbow

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Here is the first salvia, this is a terrible picture. The plant in the background is Ipomoea carnea. This salvia blooms blue and needs shade, gets very tall.

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Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

There were two plants side by side but they aren't the same. One was called some kind of leaf fern or something. It's red, there is a variety that has no leaves and bright red flowers.

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Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Here is the other one.

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Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

Susie, sure wish I could help with those, but I'm clueless. I was going to ask you about that salvia I got that you got also, It was kind of a trailing type - chionophylla "Quicksilver" or something like that. Do you know if it can take full sun, needs shade, or what? I potted mine up yesterday, it's in a spot that gets sun from about noon-thirty to about five.

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

I found on the internet this:Salvia chionophylla
"Quicksilver"
Groundcover
12" X 3+'
L
PS

Spreading perennial, roots at nodes. Blue

The L means low water and the PS means part sun. I think I need to move mine, it's in mostly sun.

Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

Hmm, if mine is in afternoon sun, that can be almost as bad as full sun...

I had no idea there were salvias that like shade until I was checking out the list of salvia cuttings drdon has available for the Southern CA RoundUp:

Salvia gesneraeflora 'Tequila'
Salvia chiapensis
Salvia leucantha
Salvia guarnitica 'Costa Rica Blue
Salvia 'Purple Majesty'

If I remember correctly (I've slept since then) only the leucantha and chiapensis were called full sun! You learn something new every day here. :-)

Longview, TX

I've planted the Costa Rica blue and the Purple Majesty in the sun and also in the shade and so far the one's in the sun are outgrowing the ones in the shade. If you ever see the Costa Rica Blue in bloom, it will knock you socks off. There's also another salvia that has the same color bloom as the purple majesty but it grows to a height of six feet. It's impressive also, but I'm partial to the salvias and sages.
jameso

Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

jameso, do the Costa Rica blue and the Purple Majesty that you have in the shade still bloom? I'm really running out of full sun space unless I start making my pathways into beds (small yard). I may be getting some of drdon's rooted cuttings.

Do you know anything about the Quicksilver?

Longview, TX

maggiemoo
Yes mine are blooming in the shade although I think they will be blooming more in a couple of more weeks. That other salvia similar to the purple majesty but is 6 ft tall is the purple palace. I'm not familar with the quicksilver but there is a web site on the east coast that specializes in salvias and they have a photo of each one they have. I can look up the site if you like.

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Going to Rainbow in the AM and will try to ID your plants for you ... no guarantees, though. I will do my best.

Burleson, TX(Zone 8a)

Josephine gave me a cutting of a large salvia that she said needs shade also, which I thought was odd. She said it was "Salvia Guaranitica". You should hear her say it, too cute. Could that be yours?

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Susie, I am going to Rainbow in the AM and will try to ID your plants for you ... no guarantees, though. I will do my best. I amgoing to print out your photos to take with me.

#1 Does Mexican Sage 'Port de Zorro' (Salvia mexicana) ring a bell? The leaves kinda look like those on mine. The veins are very distinctive. It is a huge plant now. See if the container has the word "Zorro" written in white on it. I don't think it is Salvia guaranitica because I don't think the leaves are not shaped the same as mine. Mine are more elongated than the ones in your photo, but maybe it is just the angle at which the photo was taken. 'Port de Zorro' has a 'fatter' leaf shape. I could be wrong.
Are photos #2 and #3 salvias? Where they side by side at Rainbow? I am confused about the fern and one with no leaves but red blooms ...

Maggiemoo, these are my shade loving salvias ... I love them all.
the Blue Anise Sage, Brazilian Sage 'Black and Blue' (Salvia guaranitica) Did you get one at the CTRU? I brought some rooting runners back from the CTRU since no one wanted them and I think I gave some to Dave and/or Jorge. I believe I have one left.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/54031/index.html
the Cedar Sage, Roemer's Sage (Salvia roemeriana)http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1918/index.html
the Eyelash-Leaved Sage (Salvia blepharophylla)
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1920/index.html
Meadow Sage (Salvia chiapensis) - very small leaves, growth habit and blooms. The blooms are very similar (but about half the size) to the Scutellaria (magenta blooms) you and Veronica bought at Milberger's. Neither of these can withstand full sun.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/60118/index.html

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Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

Hazel, I have the chiapensis, but none of the others. I haven't been impressed with the chiapensis, but maybe it's in too much sun? (I was thinking it was in too much shade, but maybe it just needed time to get established, it's looking better this year.) I probably didn't even consider a salvia at the RU, because I thought all salvias had to have full sun. This is really mind-blowing to me, to see all these salvias that work in part shade!

If you still have Blue Anise cutting available, I'd love to pick it up at the Nov RU!

Longview, TX

What and where is the Rainbo

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Yes!! The tall one is Port de Zoro! I knew if I heard the name I'd remember!! I liked the name and loved the leaves, they are distinctive!
I have a salvia called guaranitica, but it's not the regular blue. It resembles Patens and likes shade. The flowers are larger than the regular guaranitica blue. I have Salvia g. Black and Blue, it's gorgeous. I have the Purple Majesty I bought at Rainbow and I'm trying not to kill a guaranitica blue I bought from Ebay. I have Tequilla and didn't know it needed shade. I guess I need to post my list. I had a lot more salvias in TN, but moving to a new climate plus the move it'self was too much and I lost a lot of them.
I have Eyelash, lost Chiapensis(didn't know it liked shade) and have Cedar Sage and it's in part shade.

Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

jameso, there are two Rainbow Gardens nurseries in San Antonio. We visited the one on Bandera this last Saturday (6/18) as part of our San Antonio Nursery Date. Hazel (htop) practically lives there, they just love her! We had such a good time!

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/522178/

Fort Worth, TX(Zone 7b)

Cala... I heard that you love Salvias. I have a new one that I need to ID. I posted it in the ID forum, but wanted to see if anyone else here has seen the same one and knows the name!

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/523075/

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Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

Wow, is that a salvia?! Boy, I am learning a lot here - salvias that like shade, salvias with leaves that are roundish & scallopped, and now...

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Maggie, the chiapensis does well in part shade or filtered shade.

TXMel, that is a most beautiful plant. It may be this one (Salvia lyrata, 'Purple Volcano'):
http://www.veseys.com/store.cfm?product=2778&referer_cat=897&largeimage=1&CFID=7140769&CFTOKEN=52494422

Susie, I haven't been able to get to Rainbow Gardens yet today. Did the salvia that you bought that had a "fruity" name have blue or red blooms?

This message was edited Jun 22, 2005 1:51 PM

Conroe, TX(Zone 9a)

Thanks Hazel. I don't know where I've gotten the idea that all salvias are all sun and little water! I was looking up information on Henry Deulberg and found out it likes a moist, but well-drained soil. I haven't been watering it enough!

Evey time I think I've learned something I find out I don't know anything, lol!

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Salvia Lyrata, lyre leaf sage?
http://www.em.ca/garden/salvia_lyrata_purple_knockout1.JPG
Hazel, the salvia with the fruity name has blue flowers but it wasn't blooming. It's over in the area where Kip was sitting in the shade, growing around a tree. Pyramid is around one tree and the blue one was around the other tree.

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San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Susie, see my above post about one of your salvias ...

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Forgot to say, photos 2 and 3 are not salvias, I can't remember what they were, no tag, nothing written on the pot, but they were right in there with the salvias and native stuff. One of them is a russelia, they called it some kind of leafless fern or something leafless. Here is a pic of russelia equisetiformis
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://almostedenplants.com/mall/wpe5C.jpg&imgrefurl=http://almostedenplants.com/mall/hummer_plants.asp&h=749&w=757&sz=116&tbnid=7Wb5I5aP7rgJ:&tbnh=138&tbnw=140&hl=en&start=17&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drusselia%2Bequisetiformis%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
Edited to ask "Which question Hazel?" The fruity salvia has blue flowers. I think we were posting at the same time.

This message was edited Jun 22, 2005 2:27 PM

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Oops, you answered my question while I was lollagagging around ... sorry.

This message was edited Jun 22, 2005 2:43 PM

Fredericksburg, TX(Zone 8a)

Hi guys, I'm glad I discovered this thread. It reminded me that I need to ask Hazel what to do about my Salvia guarantica. I planted it where it gets light shade til about l0 am, then full sun for about 2-3 hours, then shade again. Is that too much sun. It's not doing well at all. Would it do better in light shade all day? Or maybe total shade?

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Mary Lee, light shade all day is best. Mine wilted if it received any full sun. If in total shade, its bloom production is poor. Mine is under an oak tree.

Fredericksburg, TX(Zone 8a)

Ok, Hazel. Well, I will try to transplant it, but something has been chewing on it I think. And since it's not happy where it is it hasn't been able to grow. So it's not in very good shape. I may need another one at the Nov RU. Those hardy begonias(?) you gave me when we went to your house are finally in a pot and doing well.

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Mary Lee. I am sorry it isn't doing well. Maybe it will perk up after being transplanted. If you need another one, I'll try to root some more.

Susie, I spent a couple of hours at Rainbow Nursery trying to ID the plants for you. Karl, the gentleman with whom you spoke and let you take cuttings will not be back until Wednesday and Dan Has been on vacation also. Several people tried to assist me with the IDs.

The "Blue" fruity one that you said might be "Blue Bananas" is "Blue Chiquita" ... He, he, he ... you were close.

I think that #2 is Mountain Sage (which is what I thought when I first saw the photo)., but I am not sure. Does it look like this? I have this one and it gets to be a nice size bushy plant when it matures.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/60119/index.html
But, it might be Cedar sage which likes the shade and is very low growing. I love mine. Does it look like this?
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1918/index.html

I could not find anything that looks like #3 with that bloom color in the salvia area. I did find a rock penstemon; but, it was over in another area away from the main native plant section.The leaves in the photo do not quite match this plant though. Your plant's leaves look larger. Is the bloom a corally pinkish color?

No one that was there knew about anything with pyramid in the name. I'll ask Carl when he is back at work on Wednesday.

They have russelia equisetiformis which goes by the name "leafless fern". I think they had them sorta close to the gazebo.
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1334/index.html

I will get back with you after Wednesday's trip over there to talk with Karl and Dan.

I hope I have helped a little.

This message was edited Jun 26, 2005 6:08 PM

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

Thank you Hazel, that's what it was Blue Chiquita! The other two are russellias. Not the equisetiformis but the other two kinds, I found them on google. I will go tag that salvia so I won't forget again!
I forgot to add: There is a salvia regla in the first picture, it's behind the russellia.

This message was edited Jun 26, 2005 9:08 PM

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

I was confused about the other 2 photos. They must have sold or moved the russelias because there were none there today. I didn't realize there were any that had nice leaves as those shown in the photos.
Is the 2nd a Russelia sarmentosa - Red Firecracker, Red Rocket, Leafy Coral Blow?
http://www.nativehabitat.com/rusellias.html
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Scrophulariaceae/Russelia_sarmentosa.html
http://almostedenplants.com/mall/Redroc18.jpg
What is the second russelia?
They look like beautiful plants.

This message was edited Jun 26, 2005 10:36 PM

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Susie, I forgot to mention that I found several large containers of 'Blue Chiquita' for sell. They were by the gazebo. I think they were $16.99, but I'm not really sure. Just thought I would let you know in case you were going to take the kids to Sea World anytime soon and had time to get one ... kinda expensive though.

TXMel, they had a purple leaved salvia that looked similar to yours, but it had a different cultivar name (can't remeber it). It had white blooms. I almost bought it, but I have so many plants to plant right now that I was afraid it might die before I was able to plant it.

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

I saw those containers sitting there, but didn't know if they were for sale or not. I think my cuttings are going to make it, so I'll wait and see. The only salvia I can't seem to keep alive is salvia guaranitica! I bought 3 from eBay and they are hanging on. They were so pretty when I got them, but now they look pitiful. Black and Blue is going like gangbusters and I treat them exactly the same!
The second red plant is russelia saramentosa, the first red plant is resselia rotundifolia I think. http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/62095/

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

I had comp[letely forgotten about Russelia rotundifolia 'San Carlos' ... duh. I would never have guessed that your plant was a relative. 'San Carlos' is a very strange looking plant. The small leaves are down low and do indeed look like round fern leaves. The stems are very bare, the bloomstalks loom way above the rest of the plant and have no leaves anywhere close to them. The blooms are bright red. There is one near the steps leading to the entry way to the San Antonio Botanical Garden (the one in the photo I took). It took me forever to ID, I just have to find out more about the one you bought.

Do you have the Salvia guaranitica in the ground or in a container?
Was the plant with "pyramid" in its name a tree?

This message was edited Jun 27, 2005 11:10 AM

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

I had the salvia guaranitica in the ground, then I dug it up and put it in a container and it died. So the next ones I got, I put in containers and they just look pitiful. I tried them in the shade, then moved them to more sun. Do you think they need more fertilize(I just gave them a teeny bit of Miracle Grow).

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

I don't know if they need some fertilizer, bbut I hope it helps. I asked the lady at Rainbow Gardens if I sould fertilize my 'Port de Zorro' because the leaves are not deep green any more and there are bloomstalks, but only one bloom has opened. She told me not to fertilize it. She said that the problem may be that I planted in potting soil that contained fertilizer that maybe it didn't like. Also it is such a huge plant, that it needs more room for its roots to grow. As soon as the roots had grown about 3 inches into the ground through the drain holes of the container, it started to green up. I need to plant it in the ground somewhere.

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

I will give it a little rabbit tea, lol. It's weak, so shouldn't over do it. I don't buy potting soil with fertilize in it, I've never had good luck with it.
I have some of the salvias in 25 gallon pots, some in those big terracotta pots, the 14" ones(not real clay, but fake terracotta). I think I might be overwatering. I didn't water last night or this morning, the soil looked dry on top, but when I dug down an inch or so, it was wet.
The Port de Zoro is always dry though, it is a thirsty plant! I guess because it was rootbound in the pot. It is doing good so far.

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Everyone at Rainbnow Nursery said to tell you, "Hi." Karl said that the plant with "pyramid" in its name is Salvia 'Pyramid'. It is only about 3 years old. No species name is given. So it might be Salvia var. 'Pyramid' ... will have to do further checking. Karl is thinking about becoming a DG subscriber and has at least joined. He has read a lot of the threads about the nursery visits and thought it was great fun.

Gordonville, TX(Zone 7b)

Is it this Salvia? http://www.sagewisdom.org/

Googled salvia pyramid and came up with the above and others. Apparently a very controversial Salvia.

Deep South Coastal, TX(Zone 10a)

To the best of my knowledge, lol, the leaves didn't look like that. I will take a picture. The cuttings of pyramid lost some leaves, more so that blue Chiquita.

San Antonio, TX(Zone 8b)

Calalily, you may want to contact Schumacher's about this one. I can't remember if this is the one that Karl said had come from there.

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