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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
3:15 AM

Post #1587518

EDITED 7/28 to say, Thank you Dave & Terry for allowing us to get this all together

OK all you Mud puppies and newbies , let's go play in the mud pit.

Get your hands dirty and let those creative juices flow ( you all have plenty of creativity , if you know it ot not )


Feel free to post pictures of your objects d'tufa , weather you made them or purchased em somewhere.

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
3:17 AM

Post #1587526

This is what tufa is all about.
It resembles the ancient carved stone vessels but much lighter in weight.

http://whatcom.wsu.edu/ag/homehort/hypertufa.htm
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
3:17 AM

Post #1587531

momo, Portland ,is CEMENT

Concrete is a mix of Portland and gravel and/or sand or other aggregates.

You need Portland to make a 'tufa recipe.

Or if you want to cast something really smooth & dense , mix 1 pt Portland to 3 pts sand . (play sand works real good)
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 30, 2005
7:05 AM

Post #1587906

That's pretty cool Scoot. My daughter and I tried a couple of items last year but when we only have a week or 2 at a time it 's kind of hard to do it. They don't really get dried out before she has to leave. And it isn't much fun doing things by yourself.

I would think a granite finish would be really neat.

Jeanette
momof2d
Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

June 30, 2005
10:55 AM

Post #1587981

ok Scooterbug, I guess I had the right stuff then, I must have had to much other material in it, I'll give it another shot this weekend!
maggiemoo
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 30, 2005
12:43 PM

Post #1588131

As with garden art making you look at ordinary or cast-off items in a different light, so does this. Start looking at things that could make intersting molds for troughs or containers. I was about to toss an old electric broiler, but realized that the removable part is a great size and shape for a medium size trough! I'm gathering a pile of things like that, now to get started on actually making something. I needed this, because my early efforts were awful, and I need more instruction.

Jnette, how about some friends or neighbors to do this with? I invited two of my gardening enablers. We made disasters, but had a lot of fun! We aren't ready to give up though, just realized that we need more experience.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
4:48 PM

Post #1588651

Portland in the pure form , must be used in the tufa recipe .

If the bag does not say portland ,then it is a concrete or masonry " mix."

Mixes have already been combined with aggregates to the max that the portland will hold together.

Adding anything but water will weaken the end product.

Look at it this way ...scenario ... want to bake a cake ?

Get ingredients for the recipe ... OR...Buy a readymade Cake Mix ...

Now would you Buy a ready made cake mix and start adding flour to it ? It would be a disaster , no ?




Portland Cement ... The main ingredient for concrete.

Available in:
47 lb. bags -
69 lb. bags -

There are other 'brands' of Portland besides Quikrete also.

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Marcy_1
New Madison, OH
(Zone 5a)

June 30, 2005
5:36 PM

Post #1588928

Scooterbug...did you happen to see the hypertufa I bought at a garden show?
The picture is on page two of garden art forum. Just thought you might like to see it! Your birdhouse is great, by the way!!
maggiemoo
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 30, 2005
5:53 PM

Post #1588979

My friends and I attempted to make toad houses, we intended to attach broken tiles over the surface, like a mosaic. We must have made the mixture too wet, because it slumped a little to the bottom (we inverted bowls and formed the mixture over the bowls.) The result was that the bottoms were thicker, the tops too thin, and they broke into three pieces when trying to remove the molds.

I saw in the link that cutting the dowel for the drainage hole to the desired thickness of the bottom of the pot would serve as a guage for the thickness. What about the sides, and other projects like the toad houses? What do you suggest to help maintain uniform thickness (or at least sufficient thickness?)
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
9:31 PM

Post #1589573

Marcy, Yes I did see your neat-o 'tufa container and pedestal.

Very much what tufa should look like IMO

I like that primative look of our stone-like troughs and vessels.

Nice find !

BTW, the birdhouse is not mine nor is it really a bird house. Just a garden decoration and very simple to make.

This message was edited Jun 30, 2005 4:33 PM
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
9:34 PM

Post #1589578

Maggie ,
You could do a box in a box for a form. ( or a bowl in a bowl )

This message was edited Jun 30, 2005 4:35 PM
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2005
9:37 PM

Post #1589587

Marcy, would you post your picture here for all of us to see ?
We 'mudders' are always looking for idea-fuel.
TIA
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2005
1:43 AM

Post #1590071

Yeah Maggiemoo, I thought of that but my "neighbors" are minimum 14 miles away. I think they get nosebleeds if they travel this far. LOL
Gotta tell you I asked a lady at a garage sale how one of her relatives was and she said she rarely gets "down there" He is 3 blocks away.

I have found that in rural areas everybody is related to everybody else. And a lot of time they don't get along, but you sure don't want to say anything wrong about any of them.

Jeanette
Marcy_1
New Madison, OH
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2005
3:55 AM

Post #1590328

well sure I will...:)

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2005
5:23 AM

Post #1590442

You all are pretty artistic. Marcy, did you make the base from the tufa also? Pretty cool.

Jeanette
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2005
1:03 PM

Post #1590887

Marcy, Good find .

I love that simple design.

All it takes for a form to make this vessel is a box and bowl . KEWL !
maggiemoo
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 1, 2005
1:25 PM

Post #1590934

How about the base though? I guess it would need chickenwire or something for strength?
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2005
1:43 PM

Post #1590983

Depends on how big you want to make it. You can see from the picture that a vertical form was used.

It doesn't look like the column has a base so I would make it short & fat for stability.

If you plan on not making it very large you could use sheets of Styrofoam insulation to cut pieces for the form.

Only use the pink or blue , the cheap white stuff is too crumbly.

This message was edited Jul 1, 2005 8:44 AM
Marcy_1
New Madison, OH
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2005
4:16 PM

Post #1591382

Hi all...
I didn't make this..I bought it. It stands about 4ft. tall. And I do think the base needs to be wider for stability. It is a little unstable. We buried some of the base in the soil...to keep it stable.
I really liked the design of it too! I had never seen anything like it..so of course..had to have it..lol!
Ohhh...and the base IS solid...kinda heavy...so evidently they used a form...and just packed it in. I would think they would have to have some kind of wire or metal in there to keep it from cracking????? I'm sure we will take it in for the winter...my husband takes everything in...lol!
Jnette...I loved your post on the rural areas...lol! It's soooooooo true!! I live in a rural area...and everyone thinks I am in a different country or something!
It's amazing!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2005
6:30 PM

Post #1591799

I think I would embed a piece of rebar in it.
Marcy_1
New Madison, OH
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2005
9:07 PM

Post #1592112

yes scooterbug...think I would too.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2005
1:51 AM

Post #1592603

Marcy that is a pretty good hunk of art! Good size. 4 feet. I like it. Is it pretty heavy? Not as heavy as it looks. Guess that is the idea of the tufa.

Jeanette
Marcy_1
New Madison, OH
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2005
2:01 AM

Post #1592624

Well Jnette... the base is fairly heavy..yes. But not as heavy as cement would be. The top is the same as any tufa container that size would be. And yeah...I like it too..thought it was really different!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
3:21 AM

Post #1592762

Finally found my way out of the mud pit ... lol

What a day, temps in the upper 60's after 2 weeks of temps hovering either side of 90 ... whew !

Problem is that I didn't know what to do first from all the things I put off due to the stifling heat... "I know" I said to myself .
"Self, get thee to the mud pit and get yer hands (gloved) dirty "

Yes'sum Ma'am . Scheesh I'm pooped.

Speaking of pooped, did you ever make fake doggies doo with left over peat based 'tufa ? Fools 'em every time hahahaha!

GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 2, 2005
10:32 AM

Post #1593099

Oh Shirley
:-D
I just found this. Thanks for striking up an intrest in Tufa!!!
I hope to get some projects going in several weeks now that I have some leaves getting good sized to do some things with. It's so much fun playing in the Tufa during the summer months. Makes me feel like a kid again...LOL
Did you know
?????
Tufa Cow pies are much easier to make...
Than dog doodie's
Later~
Kin
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
2:05 PM

Post #1593434

lol Kin

Glad you dropped in.

Yup , Cow plops are easy ...

Did you know you can buy dehydrated and sealed Pasture Patties ?

I saw one once at a vendors that was a pen holder for the desk. Don't know what kind of business would use that to impress clients ('-'?)
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
3:00 PM

Post #1593553

You can make small embellishments for your hypertufa projects using soap or candy molds.

http://www.brambleberry.com/molds2.html

http://www.spiritcrafts.net/index.html


I do like use a stronger and smoother mix for these little guys ...

1 pt Portland
1 or 2 pts. play sand

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Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 2, 2005
7:42 PM

Post #1594095

May I ask a ? thanks


Several months ago I was ready about tufa and I though peat moss was added to the portland and that's what made is light...I didn't see any mention of what is making your tufa light...what did I miss? I am going to try this...it looks like so much fun and I want a waterfall for my garden...

Hap
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
8:11 PM

Post #1594134

Happy1 , Q & A and Show &Tell are what we are here for.

There are many different recipes

BASIC ... Hypertufa recipe (This makes the darker 'tufa)

Mixture:

one part Portland
one part sand
two parts peat
Sieve or pick through the peat to remove lumps and sticks.
Then combine with sand and Portland. Add water to make a stiff workable mixture.

Let mixture sit 10 minutes to fully hydrate .
You should be able to form a ball in your hand that will neither crack or drip.

Safety notes ...

Wear a mask while handling DRY ingredients.

Always wear gloves and eye protection..


Put the portland carefully into the mixing vessel first then the peat and sand on top.
Mixing like this will cut down on the cement dust in the air.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 2, 2005
8:18 PM

Post #1594141

Thanks so much... now to find a place to work...boy, that's the only thing I miss of the north...a basement for projects...LOL


scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
10:04 PM

Post #1594271

I'm too cautious to do this indoors because of the caustic cement dust.
Be carefull (((*-*)))
pedally
Des Moines, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2005
10:06 PM

Post #1594276

scooter
do you have any other recipes?
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
10:30 PM

Post #1594313

BASIC RECIPE I like this one because you can carve it while still green.
Mixture:

one part Portland
one parts sand
two parts peat
Sieve or pick through the peat to remove lumps and sticks.
Then combine with sand and Portland. Add water to make a stiff workable mixture.

Let mixture sit 10 minutes to fully hydrate .
You should be able to form a ball in your hand that will neither crack or drip.

# 2
One part Portland
1 1/2 parts peat
1 1/2 parts vermiculite
Sparklies from the vermiculite, still easy to carve and it's a lighter brown than # 1

#3
1 part Portland
1 part sand
1 part perlite or vermiculite
1 part peat

(((*-*)))

This message was edited Jul 2, 2005 5:36 PM

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 2, 2005
10:34 PM

Post #1594321

Sigh. Guess I really should do some of this again, as it's been many years.

I want to do some stepping stones that look like Chinese coins.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
10:38 PM

Post #1594328

Darius, Chinese coins ?
Are you able to carve these by hand or will you use a mold ?
Zylphey
Fayette County, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
10:40 PM

Post #1594332

My main interest is in making artificial rocks and boulders - which is the best recipe for that? I'd want them to be fairly dark, to look natural with the rocks I already have. I assume they could be hollow?

I've never tried hypertufa, but have wanted to for some time - I appreciate all this information! :)
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2005
11:20 PM

Post #1594391

Zylphey,
Personally I have not made 'rocks' yet except for something to do with left over mix.

I know of some that have made them by forming an armature out of chicken or rabbit wire.

Just kinda squish it into a shape and start at the bottom applying handfuls of your mix.
If too much falls through the wire make your mix a little stiffer.

Start building this where it can remain undisturbed for a few weekswhile it cures. Better yet build it where you want it ... lol

The bigger the object , the longer the cure time.

You need to mist it and cover w/plastic to keep it damp while it cures (out of the sun)

"tufa or not it will still be very heavy

I would add some fiber mesh or acrylic add mix to make it stronger.
http://www.quikrete.com/catalog/ConcreteAcrylicFortifier.html

Start reasonably small until you get the feel for it.
When you go bigger you can add more support under the wire armature by putting big blocks of Styrofoam or a bucket under it.

(((*-*)))

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 2, 2005
11:25 PM

Post #1594396

Zylphey, our member Trois (in TX) has made a LOT of rocks that look very natural. Just look up some of his threads. I think he has givern his recipe and techniques. If you don't find it, shoot him an email.

Scoots, I will probably carve one coin maybe 18" in diameter, and make a mold from it, perhaps altering successive castings a bit with some carving.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 2, 2005
11:33 PM

Post #1594409

Darius...is this is your spare time.. how to you get to do all that you do? You're amazing...

Hap

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 2, 2005
11:37 PM

Post #1594415

Hap... I'm retired, remember? LOL.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 3, 2005
12:04 AM

Post #1594448

So am I, 2 weeks now...but I still could not do all that you do...

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 3, 2005
12:17 AM

Post #1594472

Nah, mostly all I do is TALK, LOL. Action is a different thing altogether.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
12:18 AM

Post #1594476

Darius , Have you seen this ?
http://www.smooth-on.com/liqrubr.htm
Zylphey
Fayette County, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
12:19 AM

Post #1594479

Scooterbug and Darius - Thanks so much!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 3, 2005
12:27 AM

Post #1594494

A good bit of my life was in R&D where mold making was an everyday thing. I guess I have seen and used almost everything to make molds.
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

July 3, 2005
1:15 AM

Post #1594581

I might mention that you can buy white portland at home depot. Buy you fiberglass fibers from your local cement dealer.
This is a very wide field to play in. You can even make your oun tombstone. LOL
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
3:51 AM

Post #1594876

What I need is a easier way to get the lumps out of the peat. Or a source for finely milled peat with the lumps already out (which is much preferred, lol!). I've only done one Grot so far but that peat was the most tedious thing to do and I still left too many lumps in, plus I was dark brown from head to toe by the time I finshed breaking it up.
Grot turned out ok, ugly lil' hammerhead tho. I made him with the top of his mouth open so he could double as a toad abode. He didn't seem to be hardening properly (what do I know, lol!) so I made a slurry and coated him with that, then buffed some of it back off with a piece of cement. Made for an interesting skin tone...named him Motley :)

Diana
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
5:07 AM

Post #1594979

Diana , I found the smaller bags of peat for houseplants or whatever, is really nice to use. just a few sticks but more $$$

Oh ,well !


TA, You can get fibermesh that is nylon fibers, I've not seen fiber'glass' around here.

Whaddaya think ...
As far as the white portland goes ('course then I need white sand) I was wondering

if anybody ever thought of what we could do with Glass Block Cement ? It's white !

I think it might be usefull for a layered application's final coat.

This way all you need to color is the white layer which would give you better color for your investment in the dye $$$$$$$$$
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
5:16 AM

Post #1594984

Yay !
You know those old fashioned ceiling mount glass globe light fixtures ?

Common use for making spheres but only good for one use cause to get the ball out ya break it !

Finally found an acrylic globe ... SO how do I slice it in half ('-'?) so's I can reuse it for a mold?

I read another post on this somewhere ... but ? ? ? ? ?

Sheesh ! at the local Garden Center they charge $60 for a plain 12 inch sphere and we know there should be 3 in a grouping.

This message was edited Jul 3, 2005 12:17 AM
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 3, 2005
5:50 AM

Post #1595005

Diana, I want to see Motley. PLEASE send a picture. Also how big, tall, is he?

Jeanette
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
12:17 PM

Post #1595177

Yeah Diane and the rest of you guys ,

How about some pics of your old or new tufa objects?

We need photos to inspire.

(my digi cam is kapoot for now )



hosta leaves

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:27 PM

Post #1595272

Nice leaves Scoot!
Ok I will share a few projects from last year. Here are two EE leaves. The one on the left is a mix of 1-PC, 1.5-Perlite, 1.5-Peat. The one on the right is a mix of 1-PC, 4-Play sand.
The one on the left 'Hypertufa' is considerably lighter and has a lot of the perlite texture in it. I also used a cement coloring in it.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:29 PM

Post #1595275

Here are some planters. I found some iron stands at a yard sale and made the tufa bowls for them. The begining of making the bowl.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:30 PM

Post #1595278

Here they are completed not identical but pretty close.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:31 PM

Post #1595280

Here they are with plantings.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:33 PM

Post #1595283

A little closer look at them. Had to put them up on the table to get a better shot.

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GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:38 PM

Post #1595298

Here is my ginsu planter box. I use the syrofoam mold that the ginsu knives came in for the mold on the front of the box. The bowls and the box are all a mix of
1-Portland Cement
1.5 or 2 - Perlite
1.5- Peat
I messed around with the mix so I kinda messed with the perlite. You just have to go with the feel of the mix...LOL

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
1:39 PM

Post #1595301

And here it is with plants.

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GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
2:00 PM

Post #1595340

Ok just a couple more and then I am gonna water the garden...LOL
Here are some planter bowls. I use a plastic planter bowl for the mold placing the mix inside the bowl. These were quite easy to make and look a tad bit better than the plastic bowls.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
2:03 PM

Post #1595344

A closer look. The light colored one with the rough texture around the top I used bubble wrap to get that effect.

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justmeLisa
Brewers, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 3, 2005
3:45 PM

Post #1595601

gardenguykin,
your pictures are very inspiring! The ee leaves..how'd you do that? did you dig an indention in the ground or sand then place the leaves in it, then added your tufta mix? If you've posted the "how to's" on this thread, please forgive me..the thread is long and i've skimmed over the postings. If you've posted the how tos, let me know and I'll go back up and read all the postings carefully. Thank you. I am so inspired!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
3:45 PM

Post #1595602

Wow ! Thanks for sharing Kin.

GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
3:57 PM

Post #1595617

Here are some instructions on leaves I found useful. The EE leaves you need to mound the sand in the shape of the leaf if you don't want it to be flat. Hope this gives you an idea. I'm sure Shirley will help also.
http://www.magma.ca/~robicho/rhubarb.htm
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
3:58 PM

Post #1595622

... HOW to Cast A Leaf ...

Lisa ,
to cast a leaf you start with a slightly mounded pile of damp sand .

Place the leaf face side down on the sand and gently shape the sand to fit the curve of the leaf.

Remove the leaf and cover the sand with saran wrap to keep the sand off of your work around the edges.

Put the leaf back in the same position and start covering it with your mixture.

You are casting on the back of the leaf because that is where the detail is best.

Go heavier down the spine of the leaf , this is the point that breaks.

Cover with plastic and keep damp for 2 days to 2 weeks . Depends on how large the leaf is.

Those wonderfully huge Gunnera leaves need to cure for months , they can be very heavy. Some need 2 or 3 people to turn it over.

If I missed anthing JLMK
(((*-*)))

GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
4:01 PM

Post #1595628

Good Job Shirley!
See she read my mind and helped out Just lickity Split...
EDIT...
And please remember this is for fun and if you don't first Make a good leaf casting. Keep trying you will only get better at it. Believe me I made some good ones which are now in the bottom of many a planter...LOL

This message was edited Jul 3, 2005 9:04 AM
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
4:06 PM

Post #1595641

Hah! You must do the same thing I do, just cruise past DG when ever I come in the house for a break. ... hahahaha

The little Lady's Mantle leaves I did 2 days ago are soooo cute. I'll use some of them for damming the big leaves so they hold water.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
4:07 PM

Post #1595648

Mistakes make good gifts . hehehehe

Here's an excellent link with a

DIY V I D E O

Took me a while to find it in my saved files.

Enjoy

http://www.gardengatemagazine.com/extras/53birdbath.php

This message was edited Jul 3, 2005 11:13 AM

GardenGuyKin

GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
4:35 PM

Post #1595713

That's a great one ! DIY video
Some one mentioned about having troubles with the peat and sticks. This is what I found at Wally world for less than $2.00 and it works great. It's a plastic colander.

I have also used an old blender to blend up the peat, it's quite messy though.

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GardenGuyKin
Portland, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
4:39 PM

Post #1595722

The colander snaps together. Just place dry peat in it snap the blue one on to the white one and shake it over a tub or bucket. It is best to wear a mask when doing so the fine peat does become airborne.

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 3, 2005
5:00 PM

Post #1595777

Another question...

I understand that you use peat moss, but why don't your finished products look like straw in them, or peat in them or what bulk in them...they all look so smooth...Oh, another, sorry...the leaves with the extra perlite...it that why it has the bubble effect:? I like that...I assume that the perlite falls out when the item is unmolded..correct?

Thanks kids...
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 3, 2005
6:10 PM

Post #1595893

Put a little "GROT" in your garden ... tee - hee

http://www.garden-of-mu.com/garden-art/grotgal-start.html

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 3, 2005
8:11 PM

Post #1596211

I THINK I like them... not sure...sorta cute...

Hap
ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 3, 2005
9:25 PM

Post #1596338

I love hypertufa, and casting leaves. About an hour ago, I finished my first elephant ear, one large and one small, also a hydrangea leaf and a brugmansia leaf.
Here's a picture of the th ree gunnera leaves I cast last fall. I let them sit outside all winter in the rain, and I did have a terrible time getting all the leaf off, but finally they are done.

Glenda

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ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 3, 2005
9:27 PM

Post #1596342

Forgot to say I use 1 part portland cement and 3 parts fine sand, and I also use a concrete additive for some extra strength.
Here;s a cloe up of the largest gunnera.

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ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 3, 2005
9:27 PM

Post #1596343

Here are a couple of hydrangea leaves from last year.

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ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 3, 2005
9:28 PM

Post #1596346

And a fairly large brugmansia leaf from last year.

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darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 3, 2005
9:40 PM

Post #1596364

Those are pretty neat, ggd!
ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 3, 2005
9:48 PM

Post #1596461

Thanks darius!!! I really like doing them. Just finding the time is a challenge sometimes, but if the leaves are there, then I might as well use them!!

Glenda

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 3, 2005
9:51 PM

Post #1596467

How thick are the cast leaves? They look pretty thin.
PerennialGirl
Winnipeg, MB
(Zone 4a)

July 3, 2005
10:09 PM

Post #1596497

What a bunch of smarty pants you all are! I better start finding some time to make some to. Luv the gunnera leaves, Glenda.
:) Donna

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 3, 2005
10:16 PM

Post #1596515

Yeh, beautiful...some more stuff for us to do, darius. LOL
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 3, 2005
11:58 PM

Post #1596757

Ok here's Motley. Newborn of about 3 weeks, guarding my favorite Eden climber along with two of the nosiest beings of the animal kingdom:


http://photobucket.com/albums/v11/DianaT/Motley Grot/?action=view¤t=MotleyandCo.jpg

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ggd
North Saanich
Canada

July 4, 2005
12:14 AM

Post #1596783

The leaves are not thin at all. They have a good thickness to them, probably 3/4 inch at the thickest part.
Small leaves dont' really require any reinforcement, but I use the fibreglass drywall tape in the larger ones.

ggd

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 4, 2005
12:17 AM

Post #1596790

That sounds like a good idea for reinforcing, the fiberglas tape! Thanks for stating the thickness, too. : )
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
12:22 AM

Post #1596800

For some reason I can't edit my post above. Trying a little bigger pic this time...

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BriarRose74
Moon Twp, PA
(Zone 6a)

July 4, 2005
12:25 AM

Post #1596804

I love it!! Even has hands too! ~ Suzi :)

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

July 4, 2005
12:25 AM

Post #1596805

Post editing is down for everyone right now. Something Dave is working on.
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
12:28 AM

Post #1596810

Motley & Co, big enough to see :)

I did very little carving on him, I have no tools yet. He was pretty much sculpted by hand.

Diana

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 4, 2005
1:26 AM

Post #1596939

How did you get such white fur on him? Boy, he sure looks real...and another one in the back.

Hap
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
1:42 AM

Post #1596980

Umm...that's cause they are real :)
Those are my nosy animal shadows who had to come and see what I was doing.

Motley Grot is the less than pretty one without fur.

Diana
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 4, 2005
2:14 AM

Post #1597038

Diana,

Way Cool !

Nice touch with the hands there.

(((*-*)))
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
2:42 AM

Post #1597088

Thank you! He's my first 'tufa effort. I'd love to try some leaves once my EEs grow bigger, or do one of those spheres you fill with water and float a ball in. I bought a wallyworld ball to use as a form but it's still riding around in my trunk. I need finer peat and one of those plastic colander things, poor Motley is going to be quite pocked when his peat rots out. I'll have to re-slurry him no doubt.

There are some great projects on this thread, makes me want to go out and get muddy :)

Diana
Posie4U
Mansfield, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
1:48 PM

Post #1597744

Diana, Motley has an interesting expression on his face; you did a terrific job of hand-sculpting. I truly love the garden bench in the background. Did you make that or purchase it? If you purchased it, would you mind sharing where you purchased it, please.

Adeline
sannajane
Eureka, CA

July 4, 2005
4:47 PM

Post #1598261

Hi all... the current issue of Garden Gate magazine has a short article and pix on making a Hypertufa trough planter. I think the recipe is basically the same - used a shoe box as the mold. And they have an on-line "extra" with a planting guide. Visit http://www.gardengatemagazine.com

Can't wait to try one!

Sanna
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
5:40 PM

Post #1598413

Adeline I was going for the Troll/Gargoyle "You disturbed my rest and now it's your butt!" kind of look but somehow he reminds me of the creature form the black lagoon instead, lol! Guess I never got over seeing that movie as a small child, it scared the snot out of me :)

I bought the bench at a little flea market type place that's no longer in business :( I hated to see that it had closed, they sold imperfect pieces but they were so inexpensive! I only paid $20 for that bench. The imperfections made the pieces even more charming, imho. Here's my favorite one that I got from there, I think I paid $25 for him:

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BriarRose74
Moon Twp, PA
(Zone 6a)

July 4, 2005
6:23 PM

Post #1598525

DianaT,
Lovely!! I know why you hated to see them close, I would too!! Well, I am afraid to try... can't even draw a straight line. How did you manage to mold it?! ~ Suzi :)

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 4, 2005
6:35 PM

Post #1598551

DianaT...I was just KEEDING about your troll...it is beautiful, as troll go that is...and yes, I knew those were cats...maybe in a few more years I won't, but at the present time...BTW, they are adorable, as cats go, too...

Hap
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 4, 2005
8:24 PM

Post #1598785

Hap , ... My old eyes decieving me ? I see a cat and a dog !
(((*-*)))


Rememeber Y'all,

Grots and gargoyles are our 'friends' they protect the land that they are placed upon.

'Grot' is short for 'grotesque' - the name for the sculpted characters often seen decorating old cathedrals and castles.

They're similar to the open mouthed gargoyle sculptures used to funnel rain water away from the ancient buildings.


DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
8:39 PM

Post #1598816

Suzi, he has an upside down cracked ceramic flowerpot in his head that I was going to throw away, and half of a 4" plastic one laying on it's side to mold his face/mouth on. Straight line...what's that?

Hap I am glad that you were kidding (bg)! (only one is a cat though...uh...you knew that too didn't ya?) Yes I'm new here lol!

Diana

Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 4, 2005
8:44 PM

Post #1598824

Er...ahem...no...I thought they were both cats...now I see the one is front is the cat...heheh
2pugdogs
(Linda) Winfield, KS
(Zone 6a)

July 4, 2005
9:04 PM

Post #1598864

GardenGuyKin I love your pots you made. I have seen in the past some of your containers you have made even the one chair that you have your EE placed in. Very good ideal.

DianaT your Motley is simply darling. I would love to have him in my yard. I could see my male pug now lending down on his front legs with his butt in the air just barking his fool head off at it. You did a great job. This one you should be very proud of. I would love to find a place like the flea market you went to. I have been looking for a bird bath on the order of the one you have. But everyplace I look they want a fortune for them.

Everyone keep up the good work I will mark this forum as a watched favorite so I can see some of the neat things you will be making. I'm not artistic so I won't be posting anything.

Linda
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 4, 2005
9:09 PM

Post #1598872

Welcome 2P ,

Artistic ??
Who ???

Anyone can make mud pies so give it a try.

(((*-*)))
2pugdogs
(Linda) Winfield, KS
(Zone 6a)

July 4, 2005
10:06 PM

Post #1598964

I will give it a while and see how everyone is doing then I might join in. It really does sound like fun.

Linda
Posie4U
Mansfield, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 4, 2005
11:22 PM

Post #1599082

The bench and cherub are just wonderful. They are extremely gracious and look so good in your garden. Wish we had a place like that around here.

Adeline
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 5, 2005
1:32 AM

Post #1599311

Love Motley, and everytime one of you said something about the cats etc. I had dto scroll back. I was so interested in Motley I didn't look closely at the "cats". LOL

You did a marvelous job Diana. And you to Kin.

Jeanette
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 5, 2005
2:32 AM

Post #1599419

Why Oh Why ...

Do I get hese strange urges to play with mud this time of night ?

Just started 4 coffee can pot head grots and 2 round oatmeal tubes prolly for Easter Island look a likes ... lol

Oh yeah, and a grapefruit sized round thingy from LO mix , who knows what that will be when I get done with it ? ? ?

Guess where I will be later tonight and early in the AM ?

IN 'DA BARN .


Don't forget kiddies...
"Plant on a whim. Lay the footpath where your heart says it should be. Change things because you feel like it. Garden for the love of it."


Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 5, 2005
11:39 AM

Post #1599902

Beautiful saying scooter...It really should be everyone's motto for life...It we did that, the problems that we have, and usually self-constructed, would be non existant.

This has been a great start for my day...God Bless

Nancy Lee
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 5, 2005
3:48 PM

Post #1600379

I'm going to start Part 2 ... http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/526441/




Threads get too long and they are too hard to read ... Hopefully we can get our own forum SOON so this info does not get lost :-(

This message was edited Jul 5, 2005 11:41 AM
imway2dumb
Gordonville, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 5, 2005
4:05 PM

Post #1600413

I'm posting a link to trois' making rocks thread:

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/439175/

I like his method b/c they are like real rocks in that they can be walked on like the real thing! My plan is to make a fake rock outcrop and use it as patio.

John
maggiemoo
Conroe, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 6, 2005
12:17 AM

Post #1601528

Thanks John! Very neat, I may have to try my hand at that!
imway2dumb
Gordonville, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 6, 2005
12:22 AM

Post #1601540

Ooops, just noticed there is now a part 2
JodyC
Palmyra, IL
(Zone 5b)

July 6, 2005
2:49 AM

Post #1601819

Dave should take a look,it seems this should be a forum.Very busy.lol.
imway2dumb
Gordonville, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 6, 2005
3:08 AM

Post #1601917

Yep. :-)
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 6, 2005
4:20 AM

Post #1602066

I got on my knees and begged the 'Dave' this morning. How about some help all y'all ? ? ? ?


We NEED a Forum 'cause breaking this info up into seperate threads (for ease of reading and loading )

All our input & hard work will eventually get lost in cyber-la-la land ;'-(

all it takes is a short email to 'da' Dave

Stay calm and to the point ... sumpin like

Dear Dave,

If we don't get our Forum , we will all shoot ourselves. Just think of all the money from lost memebership dues.
... hahahahahha

This message was edited Jul 5, 2005 11:36 PM
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 6, 2005
4:39 AM

Post #1602106

Begging can commence here ... http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/524827/
DianaT
Mullins, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 6, 2005
5:19 AM

Post #1602175

I prostrated myself abjectly.

Lawd I need to go to bed, I have the sillies.

Diana
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 8, 2005
4:22 AM

Post #1607301

Hey 'tufaneers , Don't forget there is a Part 2 thread now ;-)
Elena
Middle, TN
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2005
10:35 AM

Post #1607495

Hi Scooter. Thanks for that reminder. Since I am new on this scene I didn't know that. I will look for it.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 8, 2005
2:26 PM

Post #1607915

Hey girl , how ya doin ?
Elena
Middle, TN
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2005
5:33 PM

Post #1608418

Doin' great! And you?

Wish I could find the spare time to play and make some of the neat things you guys are making. In the meantime, I will just view your successes and make plans to do some of them myself when things let up a bit in my life. I have had the plans to experiment wit h the project possibilities on my "To Do" list forever, it seems. I have instructions, etc. that probably go back as much as 10 years. I saw lots of examples in England a few years ago and that put the "bee in my bonnet". I just haven't found myself at the starting place yet.

How is that beaufiful German Shepherd show dog doing these days?
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 8, 2005
5:52 PM

Post #1608478

Fat & Sassy ... like me , lol
Elena
Middle, TN
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2005
6:20 PM

Post #1608565

Beautiful doggie... but more important than that...a beautiful lady who owns a beautiful doggie.
pradamary
South Easton, MA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2005
3:03 AM

Post #1609613

You know, I've been avoiding this thread because it seems a little complicated to me, but now I've read pt 1 and pt 2 and looked at all the photos and I could get hooked on this...I love the outcome...perhaps I could love the process... Mary
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2005
4:29 AM

Post #1609909

Mary , jump in !

It can be as simple or complicated as you want it to be.

No big deal or expense.

Get your materials together and plan a spot out of the sun to do your project.

Once you have everything together , it will call to you ... lol

Easy peesie !

Get that first one under your belt and there will be no stoppin Ms. Mary
pradamary
South Easton, MA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2005
5:03 AM

Post #1609952

scooterbug, you are so funny, you just can't wait until everyone here is a hypertufa addict, too...I will give it a try...I love playing in the mud being a former potter...but this doesn't require firing, which means I have no more excuses...oh my god, I'm already buying into it hook, line and sinker...
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2005
5:20 AM

Post #1609976

Wow, a former potter !

Can't wait to see what you create Mary.

Please drop a DG Email to Dave 'da man and on the begging thread at http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/524827/

We' re gonna need a LOT of support even from lurkers that like to sit back and read . Heck I did that for 3 years before doing my first object.

We have all put a lot of work into gathering all this info and unless it has it's own Forum it will whither & die.

as my good friend John posted about the hopefully new "Hypertufa and Portlands Forum." Garden Art is for the displaying and the new one for the doing.

I am deeply grateful for any and all support on this quest.

Shirley
pradamary
South Easton, MA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2005
5:29 AM

Post #1609993

Okay Shirley, It is done, I have begged Dave for the forum, I have threatened that we will shoot ourselves if we don't get it and I have told him we will display our finished work over at the Garden Art forum...I'm psyched to give it a whirl...You're very convincing...Mary

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2005
1:45 PM

Post #1610332

Whoa ! Nice vessel !

Looks almost like 'raku' finish ... is it ?

What ever it is I really like it . I'll not ever afford to own a peice of raku pottery , so I just admire it.

BUT I did get 2 irises Raku Blaze and Raku Rogue

S.

RB

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TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

July 9, 2005
6:04 PM

Post #1610921

A sample of mine.

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2005
8:58 PM

Post #1611309

Neat ! How did you get that rough shape ?
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 10, 2005
4:09 PM

Post #1613123

It is really almost impossible to get a new Forum on DG.

I believe we could do an 'information based Hypertufa and Concrete Forum justice

... because people always love to show and tell plus look at all the work we have put into it already .

Information for how to's? and how come's? , etc. in a Forum style , for ' EASE OF REFERENCE' always has a place IMO .

Please show your support at http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/524827/

You are all the greatest,
Thanks, (((*-*)))

This message was edited Jul 10, 2005 11:11 AM
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)

July 10, 2005
4:58 PM

Post #1613314

Letter going off to Dave...

Scoots...you are great!!!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 10, 2005
5:28 PM

Post #1613414

lol Carol... just what ya needed ...MORE ROCKS ! ! ! !
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 10, 2005
5:34 PM

Post #1613424

QUESTION >>>>>>>>>

I want to make some spheres that could be used for Water Features.

What size tubing should I embed in the spheres and what material ? ?

My first thought was a copper tube but I think that will be erroded by the cement , no ?

TNX, S.
Gardengirl1204
Richmond, VA
(Zone 7a)

July 11, 2005
3:17 PM

Post #1615465

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I want to make the Rhubarb leaf stepping stones but our leaves don't grow that big here in Virginia! :)
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 11, 2005
3:41 PM

Post #1615536

hehehe

I'm sure you can find some kind of large leaf to use? Hostas ,, bananas and EE's are popular.
How about a big squash, pumpkin or gourd leaf ?

(((*-*)))
Gardengirl1204
Richmond, VA
(Zone 7a)

July 11, 2005
6:14 PM

Post #1615933

I've got HUGE gourd leaves. Thanks for the idea! Brain just needed some nudgin'!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 11, 2005
9:50 PM

Post #1616479

heheheh , I peeked at yur page *grins*
Jazzpunkin
Springfield, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2005
2:01 PM

Post #1618357

Scooterbug..I hoe someone answers your questions because I want to do this also!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 12, 2005
2:39 PM

Post #1618456

Thanks, We can figure it out with some help I hope.

Wonder if I could just use a 1 or 3/4" PVC in the sphere coated with release but cut longer ...

... so I had a place to grab hold and remove after the sphere has cured ?

I want to make some for gifts to new neighbors who want to start a small water feature in their patio.

Well , I should really be outside, the weather is perfect for anything but mowing grass.

Light drizzle, overcast and 70 degrees .

What a delight after the hot dry weeks we have had.

taa-taa
(((*-*)))
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 16, 2005
4:50 AM

Post #1627113

If anyone needs fiber mesh and is tired of the "blank stare at the headlights" reaction when you ask for the product.

Shipping is same cost (6.00 for me ) for 1 to 4 one pound bags of acrylic fiber and are they F_A_S_T . I know no one around here to share with so I only got a couple 1 pounders.

http://www.concretedepot.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=115
BriarRose74
Moon Twp, PA
(Zone 6a)

July 16, 2005
11:10 AM

Post #1627342

Scooter,
I read that, including the pdf file. How much do you use fiber to concrete? How long would it last/many items would it make? Does everyone use this as I don't remember reading about it before? ~ Suzi :)
Elena
Middle, TN
(Zone 6b)

July 16, 2005
12:38 PM

Post #1627409

"If anyone needs fiber mesh and is tired of the "blank stare at the headlights" reaction when you ask for the product."
I love that!!!!!!!!! Boy, do Iknow that look!!! I am always getting that look from clerks and I am glad to know that I am not the only one!!!! I am still laughing at that. You made my day!
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 16, 2005
1:30 PM

Post #1627478

Suzi , For small projects , just a good pinch will doo ya. I pound bag goes a loooog way!

Mix well with dry ingredients to break up the little 'clumpy' fibers

LOL Elena
(((*-*)))
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 16, 2005
1:33 PM

Post #1627484

Elena,
Especially when they send you off on a wild-goose chase 'cause they themselves do not know what you are talking about .

Anything to make that 'annoying little WOMAN' go away .

OMG !

BTDT sooooo many times.
Elena
Middle, TN
(Zone 6b)

July 16, 2005
1:41 PM

Post #1627494

I relate to all you are saying!!!!!

"Anything to make that 'annoying little WOMAN' go away ." YEP!!!!!!

I don't let em rest though! I make them know that if they don't know the answer now they should definitely know it the next time someone asks!!!!!!!!! I know they just love me when I leave! LOL
Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 17, 2005
2:35 AM

Post #1628899

Here's the recipe we used & a pix of my trough (still curing but cool)
1 1/2 parts portland cement (gray or white)
2 parts horticultural perlite
2 parts spaghnum moss (sifted) (we used a collender)
1/2 oz acrylic fibermesh (average handful)
1 cup liquid acrylic bonding agent (mixed into water) (Acryl 60 or e-bond)
1 gal water

Each part equals one 2-lb coffee canful

We found that using very hard molds and putting plastic over them before we applied the hypertufa mixture, made it much easier to remove the trough from the mold. My husband made my mold out of plywood (a large box with a smaller box inside, so the walls would be even), and I painted several coats of cooking oil over it to get the cement to release easily. As it was, we had to tear the inside box apart to get it out but since my husband screwed the walls of the outside box with screws, when we unscrewed them, the walls came away easily. Our next workshop is mid-Sept when the weather is cooler. We are experimenting with styrofoam coolers (turned upside down), plastic bowls (hard plastic), plastic flower pots,etc. I bought two hard plastic containers, one slightly smaller than the other, so I can use it as a mold, apply the cement inside and put the smaller container inside, to keep the walls uniform. Lots of fun & great team-building exercise. Oh yes, almost forgot, I sprinkled broken up pieces of red brick over the top to get a rough red appearance.

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 20, 2005
5:22 AM

Post #1635814

plastic sheet of ??? kind ? I wish I knew.

Anywayy this is used as a mold for a pillar to be used with a birdbath , planter or to display an item.

The piece is 16" x 40" and makes a 16" tall x 6" wide pillar.

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 21, 2005
3:57 AM

Post #1637977

Happenstance's beautiful garden mirror , http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/485498/
Blackwing
Gazelle, CA

July 21, 2005
4:14 AM

Post #1638004

Mmmm . . . so beautiful . . . and so inspiring! This forum totally blows my mind. Great work, Happenstance! And thanks, Scooterbug, for the link. Your leaves are so gorgeous, too, Scooterbug! The talent and creativity of these garden folk at DG are awesome.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 25, 2005
3:18 PM

Post #1648346

Concrete Recipe for leaves

3 parts sand - play sand works well

1 part cement (Portland )

bonding agent - (optional for smaller leaves)

plastic wrap

water

cement/concrete colorant (optional)

Deep veined leaves like cuke , squash or hosta leaves (start with a smaller leaf for learning the process)


mixing container

latex or acrylic paints

rags

Directions ...

IMPORTANT ...
Leaves should not be torn or otherwise blemished.
The plant sugars from these wounds will keep the 'crete from setting up , ruining your project.


on your work surface make a mound of DAMP sand that fits the leaf's contours , place the leaf face DOWN on the mound.

Check for fit and adjust ... , remove leaf and cover the sand especially around the edge with plastic

or cover the whole area (saran wrap ,dry cleaner bags work)

*THIS is to keep the sand off of the concrete while working on the edge of your leaf*

replace leaf onto sand mound.


Mix the sand and cement well before adding water if using dry cement colorant add it here. Add liquid color or fortifier to the first amount of water that you mix in.

The mix should be the thick enough to squeeze a ball shape in your hand but not wet enough to drip .


Take small handful and start placing around the edge of the leaf and gradually working up to the middle or you can work the reverse way.

Small leaves should be 3/4 to 1 in. thick with a little more thickness in the middle toward the stem/center ( this is where a lot of stress fractures occur).
If the stem protrudes through the leaf, the resulting hole is plugged later on.


Cover the leaf with plastic . Small leaves only take a day to set-up. Turn carefully and gently peel the leaf off.

If leaf parts are sticking wait a few days, as the leaf bits dry they shrink making removal effortless..

Keep in a shady area , plastic covered and mist daily for a few days then remove the plastic & continuing to mist for 2 weeks .
(I like to do this part in the shade garden where it is damp and cool.)

After it is cured you can paint if desired. Cut the latex paint or stain with half with water .Let the paint cure before putting in it full sun.

EDITED for clarification


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Happy_1

Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 25, 2005
3:48 PM

Post #1648406

?

You said cover the sand with saran...just around the edges...is that so the sand does not dry out before things set? I take it you don't put the saran on the part that the leaf is covering...correct?

Thanks
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 25, 2005
7:21 PM

Post #1648863

Oops!

You can cover the whole area if you like .

The reason is to keep the sand off your concrete when you are working around the edges.

I'll edit that. Tnx,S
Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:21 PM

Post #1654371

The Leaf workshop is a success. We went from mixing the concrete. These are friends from work, I was taking the photo.

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Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:31 PM

Post #1654400

Then we applied the stuff to the leaf.

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Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:32 PM

Post #1654404

And we put chicken wire in between two layers of cement.

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Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:35 PM

Post #1654406

Leaves wrapped in plastic & put out to cure (dry)

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Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:38 PM

Post #1654417

Leaf has been stained to bring out the veins (Elephant Ear Leaf)

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Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 27, 2005
11:42 PM

Post #1654421

Finished Rhubarb leaf, with different shades of blue & green, using acrylic paint, a sponge and spraying (when dry) with Acrylic satin finish spray for a sealer. I used deck stain for the vein staining and took the excesss off (after it dried) with steel wool, then the acrylic paint. I am really pleased with the way this turned out. If my friends & I can do it again, I can sell them at craft shows, as long as the plants have leaves.

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scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 28, 2005
3:10 AM

Post #1654897

Buttoneer , this is exactly what we need. Personal & up close . Especially for new 'tufa addicts.

Could you start your own thread at OUR NEW FORUM with this info ? I know it's a lot of work , so take your time.

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/532728/
Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 28, 2005
12:16 PM

Post #1655408

I couldn't find the forum last night when I did this, so will try to do it at home within the next couple of days. Thanks for sending me the thread.
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

July 28, 2005
1:30 PM

Post #1655491

If you have Forums that you have pre-selected to watch in your preferences ,

you prolly need to go back and add Hypertufa Forum to your watch list.

Or click on the Forums tab in the header and you will see ,all of the Forums on DG
soozer
Safety Harbor, FL
(Zone 9b)

July 28, 2005
5:59 PM

Post #1656127

Yes, would like to see this latest by Buttoneer, including the 'recipe', on the new Hypertufa Forum. :)
Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 28, 2005
9:57 PM

Post #1656638

Ok, it's on the new forum. Go at it. LOL
scooterbug
Tellico Plains, TN
(Zone 7b)

August 24, 2005
1:33 AM

Post #1715203

*bump*
zone5girl
Painesville, OH
(Zone 5b)

March 3, 2007
4:51 PM

Post #3244344

bump again!

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