I have both the false roselle (maroon leaves , pink flower) and the true roselle Hibiscus sabdariffa var. rubra. Or that's what the seed packet said when I bought it. I just looked up info on the var. rubra here on PDB and it came up as the maroon leaved, pink flowered one. Not the green leaved, purple vein, yellow flower one. So what is wrong, the plant files, or the company I bought the seeds from, which I no longer remember. Which one do I have then, that's the yellow flowering one. Here are pictures of both
But, there are 2 types of Hibiscus sabdariffa. One is H. sabdariffa var. sabdariffa ... race 'ruber' (not rubra, maybe your seed packet was marked incorrectly). This may be what caused you to be a bit confused and the photo shown in the PlantFiles is incorrect. It indeed is not a yellow bloom. The link below discusses the different types. The leaves are can be 3,5 or 7 lobed
Photos of the 2 plants that are sometimes confused with each other: false roselle (Hibiscus acetosella) and roselle. The photo in the PlantFiles in the true roselle may be false roselle. http://www.io.com/~wilsone/herbphotos,misc.htm
The false roselle (Hibiscus acetosella) entry in the PlantFiles seems to have photos of 2 different plants. The blooms and leaves in the first photo are smaller than the others. http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/2112/
After many hours now and no sleep, I am still trying to figure out what Hibiscus sabdariffa var. rubra is. The only links that come up with information lead back to the PlantFiles or Onalee's Home Grown Seeds and Plants Store. Is there a plant with this name? After trying to assist you, now I am perplexed. Maybe someone will come along and help both of us sort this out. Last year I attempted to determine which are the "true" photos of roselle and false roselle and finally gave up. I am glad that you brought this up because the photos in the PlantFiles are confusing.
Well, Darn, I no longer have the package that my seeds came with, I could have spelled it wrong, But I even called them and they told me it was the one with the yellow flower on it. My green leaved hibiscus, does have the 3 lobes on it. some have a few more the older the plant gets. I wish I could remember the name of that web site I got the seeds from . But I can't .
So your saying my green leaved hibiscus doesn't have the yellow flower? Well, I guess I'll see soon enough, I'm sure they'll bloom before summer, my marooned leaved hibiscus has blooms on it now.
thanks for all your hard work, and dedication, seems like this has been raised before, I didn't know about it. But would definitely like to know now,
kathy, you are quite welcome. I think your green-leaved one will have the yellow bloom. It is probably Hibiscus sabdariffa var. sabdariffa. I don't know if these questions have been raised before on DG. But, I do know that I was trying to ID one of these plants before and became very confused before I decided to give up.
Are u still interested in Roselle (hibiscus Sabdariffa)? I am from Malaysia, Roselle is quite common in our country, I have some seeds and willing to share with u if u want. My Roselle is the type that u mention, that can make tea, juice, jam etc, which also good for health.
Kathy Ann ~ I didn't mean to step on your thread but when Chia posted ~ I thought AHA here is someone that may know what this is for sure...
The research I have done indicated it is H. sabdariffa ~ Roselle. This was from [HYPERLINK@www.hort.purdue.edu]
[quote] Flowers, borne singly in the leaf axils, are up to 5 in (12.5 cm) wide, yellow or buff with a rose or maroon eye, and turn pink as they wither at the end of the day. At this time, the typically red calyx, consisting of 5 large sepals with a collar (epicalyx) of 8 to 12 slim, pointed bracts (or bracteoles) around the base, begins to enlarge, becomes fleshy, crisp but juicy, 1 1/4 to 2 1/4 in (3.2-5.7 cm) long and fully encloses the velvety capsule, 1/2 to 3/4 in (1.25-2 cm) long, which is green when immature, 5-valved, with each valve containing 3 to 4 kidney-shaped, light-brown seeds, 1/8 to 3/16 in (3-5 mm) long and minutely downy. The capsule turns brown and splits open when mature and dry. The calyx, stems and leaves are acid and closely resemble the cranberry (Vaccinium spp.) in flavor. [/quote]
The blooms open yellow and turn pink from the edges. The center has a red eye and the calyces ARE tasty! Problem is, I have been trying not to eat them! They remind of crabapples or cranberries or... delicious and I want to try jellies and teas and...
I do hope to have seed and am intending to try overwintering this plant indoors.
The leaves on this plant are green with reddish veins ~ Mamajack. All parts of this plant are edible including the leaves, blooms and seed pods... Perhaps Chia can give a positive ID.
Podster u are right, the plants is roselle.
Roselle (hibiscus sabdariffa) is green leaf, with red-purple wood (branches), after flower will have red color fruit. However,the color of flower is either yellow or pink.The fruit can cook and made juice etc.
Another type of Roselle said to be the family member is red leaf, and is not eatable, only for garden planting.
I have some seeds left, those interested, I don't mind to share with u all.
photo 4 show boiling of Roselle with water. After cooking, will let it cool down, some may add in sugar, put in botter and store in fridge, when u want to drink, mixed with water, just like concentrated orange juice.
chia, let me get this straight...the flowers bloom. then the calyx will form seeds. and while this is still fresh you pick it and take the seeds out and then you can eat them raw or cook them, is that right? are the seeds green at this point and therefore not viable?
and you have a green leaf roselle that has pink flowers? and one with yellow flowers? and then you are saying that the one with maroon leaves and pink flowers is hibiscus acetocella and that is strictly ornamental...it is the one they call false roselle, right?
also, i understand this plant is an annual so it wouldn't do any good bringing it inside, right? or is this plant perennial where you are chia?
also, i would love to get seeds of the pink flowering roselle. what kinds of things would you like in trade?
LOL Mamajack ~ you beat me to it... I do know it is an annual. I also know it can be overwintered by cuttings so I assume the plant can also be overwintered in a tropical climate. I also know that if I had harvested the calyces rather than allow them to bear seed, the plant would have continued to rebloom. I have kept this plant in a pot so I can experiment with overwintering as well as collect the seed. I was amazed at how quickly the blooms formed seed. Unfortunately, the plant is too top heavy from the weight of the fruits.
Now, Chia ~ what I need to know please...
If I pick the seeds when green and remove the calyces ~ will they continue to ripen?
The edible portion is the red protective part that covers the seed?
Also the center of the bud? It that correct?
I have eaten pod, seed and all but I am assuming they save the seeds to reproduce?
How do I know when the seeds have ripened to the point of harvesting for seed?
When the seed is ready to harvest, is the balance of the calyx still edible?
I appreciate your patience and knowledge and am sure I will think of more questions. TIA ~ pod
You are right, Hibiscis Sabdariffa and Hibiscus Acetocella look similar, the different is that Sabdariffa is green leaf, and the flower is bigger. There is another variety of Sabdariffa, the fruit (calyces) is white color instead of red color. But I do not have this kind of plants. When the calyx is 70% ripe, that is the best time to harvest, if u waite until it fully ripe, the calyx will turn dark color and break, harder and seeds is dark color. While it is still fresh, the seeds is white and green color. Calyces can be eaten raw or cook.
People in Eastern like the taste of sweet-sour, therefore, we seldom eat raw calyx. So it depends how u want to eat, the whole plant can be cook as vegetable or boil as soup. The roots, leaf, stem, seeds can made medicine. Calyx can made wine too.
Beside make concentrated juice (which is the best), the other product is that, calyces (dry) is mixed with salt and sugar, and kept in fridge for few days before u eat it. Some people put calyces in bottle, one layer is calyces , second layer is sugar, third is calyces again...and put in fridge for few days.
If u want to made tea, just take a few calyces (can either be fresh one or dry under the sun), put in a cup and pull in hot water, waite for a while (the longer the better), after the water turn dark (red), then take away the calyx (it will become soft), and is ready to drink.
This plants is annual.
Please send me your address, I will pack the seeds for u. I will check your trade list if I find anything interesting for me.
If u pick the seeds when white-green they will change color later (or u said is ripen), this kind of seeds may not have good germinate rate. Ya, the edible portion is the red protective part that covers the seed, most people choose that part (calyx). Just as u said, other part like centre etc is also eatable. We choose calyx s because it produce good taste, a bid of sour and sweet.
If u prepare seeds for planting, let it fully ripen, the color of the calyx will became darker and darker, or even it will break itself. The seeds at that time is ripen, dark geen or dark color. The balance still edible but it is harder. In fact one plant can have hundreds of fruit, u need to reserve a few calyxes for seeds that will be enough, while the rest is harvest for cooking.
Friendly speaking, I am not an expert in Roselle, but I love to plant tropical hybrid hibiscus.
well chia...on that sabdariffa with the white calyxes...where do we find it? lol.
and how many different types of hibiscus do you grow? do you grow them outside? if i can find some, would you like trop. hib. seed in exchange for these? i don't have any but i can try and trade for some. did you get your dl seeds?
i am looking for some trop. hibiscus seeds as well for you. and will keep you in mind whenever i see any for trade.
and are you saying that you bought the white one from the taipei market or that you saw it there? was it expensive? i could help with the expense so that you could grow us all some seeds. i do so love a new and different plant. lol. and by the way,,,what color did you say the white one blooms?
Thanks, I prefer tropical hibiscus, not H coccineus. U need to pollinate the flower by hand, as it is difficut through insect, as such u may not able to get seeds, and some variety is not producing seeds pod.
Well Mamajack, I have not been to Taipei yet, I just notice it through web site. But if I happen to be there or can find any seeds from my friends, I will try to get it for u.
I appreciate if anyone can give me tropical hybrid hibiscus seeds or even sell to me.
Chia ~ have had this "common" tropical many years... Surely by now a bug would have gotten lucky but no seeds. This may be one on those only reproduced by cuttings... If ever I get seed, you will be at the top of the list. I also have a variegated which has not bloomed for me ~ yet. But will remember you...
I bought some seeds through e-bay before, and some seeds never germinate, this year, it seem that some guy is trying to cheat. I experience after sending money, the seeds never arrive and the seller no reply and change ID. Because of that I prefer joing gardening group or forum, and exchange seeds from them, they are the genuine people.
You have to be careful of the hibiscus seed sellers on eBay, there's at least one who has pictures of all these flowers that are obviously hybrids but claims s/he's selling seeds of that plant when there's no way they'll come true from seed. And many of their flower pics are obviously Photoshopped too. I'm not sure how many there are like that. It's tricky to spot that they're a scam unless you recognize that the pics are Photoshopped and unless you know that the fancy hybrids won't come true from seed--I think by the time people buy the seeds, grow them, and then figure out it's not the plant they thought they were buying, it's too late to put negative feedback on eBay.
Probably because the hybrids don't come true from seed so you never know what you're going to get. Most seed companies sell things where they know what the babies are going to look like, so they can put nice pictures in their catalogs that show people exactly what the plants they grow are going to look like. The American Hibiscus Society I know does have seeds available, but I'm not sure if they would send them to Malaysia or not. I know someone posted in another thread around here how to get seeds from them, I don't remember which thread it was in though.
I'm not sure if the hibiscus society charges more than just what the postage would cost or not (I've never gotten any from them). Anyone around here who has seeds would just send them for postage, either that or as a trade if you had some nice seeds that they wanted.
ecrane, how do i get in touch with the ahs? i would love to get some seeds sent to me and then I can send them to chia.
we had our plant swap in arlington, tx. today. i took a branch of sabdariffa with me. there were a whole bunch of sabdariffa eaters before it was all said and done. it was a big hit. even 'ol dave was eatin' roselle. hahahaha just curious though...does it give you gas?
Selamat pagi Chia...great info there on Malaysia's national flower. I was hesitating to purchase hibiscus seeds from one eBay seller. He is from South East Asia I think. This clears my doubts.
Kathy, isn't it wonderful that DG is global?
Good morning to u too...although hibiscus is our national flower, but no body sell tropical seeds here, and it seem that not many people know how to pollinate hibiscus seeds, many think that hibiscus will not produce seeds pod. The same case for South East Asia. So if anybody from S.E.A has any seeds for sale, u better be careful.
The person to contact with your request for tropical seeds is:
The Seed Bank
13190 113 Ave. N.
Largo, FL 33774
He's with the American Hibiscus Society and for postage he will send you some seeds - shows that they've shipped to 75 different countries so I'm sure you'll be able to get some. They don't take paypal but I'm sure if you get a money order (drawn on a US bank) he may send...
Chia - the dishonest creep that you are talking about on e-bay goes by the name of IMPERIALBOTANICGARDEN. I purchased some seeds from him and he didn't send the complete shipment - when I complained he was unresponsive and became verbally abusive. I posted a -ve feedback and had E-bay get onto him. In the end he was frantic as he had another -ve posted just after mine said I was causing him business harm. Well he sent the seeds and refunded me the money. I'd suggest to anyone to stay WAYYY far away from him - he's the only one that comes up when you search on exotic hibiscus seeds. I suspect the seeds will never germinate so I've not tried by the one I bought is included (would be beautiful if it did though). He alters the true picture of the flower to deceive
Heaven count your blessings - he's awful - looks like he's got a ton of -ve feedback since then too - but he's also selling alot many of which seem to be people buying several seeds at a time. He's got pictures of hybrids too which - I now know won't produce seeds of that flower but it's parents instead. You guys are such a bunch of nice people I wanted to warn you so you don't get scammed... I think it turned out pretty well for me seeing that I did'nt lose any money but many are not so fortunate!
Well Utlimateshopper, I called my brother who lives in Singapore to check on all the nurseries there whether they have hybrid hibiscus seeds for sale. Guess you know their answers. Yes, I'd love to have those exotic looking trops in my yard. For now I'll rely on AHS recommended specialists, no matter the costs.
Glad you got your money back.
Hi Ultimateshopper, u are right, but I was so unfortunate that neither refund or seeds is send to me. I complain, but nothing has been done. I kept on telling my friend that never buy seeds from that fellow. I think e-bay should try to stop him for cheating people, or else people will lose confident.
i thought it was fast too. i sent him 3.00 and he mailed me 3 packs of seeds (though not a lot of seeds in the packs) and 2.00 back. on the seed packs the cross names are printed. i couldn't find any of them though. is there a place to go look at hib. picture like tinker's for daylilies?
I don't know that one sorry--I did check Matt's site for it when I was looking for the Choco Berry Truffle, but he doesn't have it and I don't remember running across it at Hidden Valley Hib. either which is the other place I shop a lot.
is the seeds from you: Hibiscus sabdariffa, Roselle,
the true Roselle which I can made to of, I really hope it would have been nice, I have grow acetosella earlier but never true Roselle ~Sylvia
My friend raises those roselles with the green leaves and purplish stems. She gave me a plant this year, saying they always bloom in October. So I kept it in good shape in a pot and waited. Guess what? Nothing happened, still hasn't bloomed. Oh well. It looked like it had flower buds for quite a while, but maybe I was wrong and it wasn't buds. Maybe the strange weather this year affected it!
I'm in south-central Texas, pretty sunny here normally. The only time sunshine may not have been enough was in the summer, when we had record-producing amounts of rain. I watered it often other times when rainfall wasn't that often. I brought it inside twice frecently when a freeze was possible (lowest we had was 32.7°F on one of those nights). It still has those "buds"...they really do look kind of like flowerbuds, but they have been there for weeks already. So I'm still waiting. Who knows? Maybe I'll have Roselle blooms yet...in December!
and i will add that mine has been blooming for quite some time (started just this year from seeds) but i am afraid it is never going to set seeds before it freezes. in a normal year we would already have had a freeze, even if it is just a quick dip. chia, i may have to depend on your every year to send seeds as i really liked seeing this plant.
podster, is this your first year to grow this plant? i am wondering if your plant had a typical year. maybe i got my seeds started too late and didn't get them in the ground soon enough and so i caused the delay in the seed making. but it seems that all of the calyxes are still nice and moist and suitable for eating. i haven't seen any aphids either.
mine are about 5 ft. tall and the purple stems and calyxes are just beautiful to look at. i love the way they shine. but the hib. cannabinus were the ones that amazed me. they are huge...maybe 15 ft. tall with trunks that are as big as a small tree.
U can dry it first or use fresh calyx to made tea. To made tea, clean calyx with hot water first, this is to get rid of green smell. Then put in the cup with hot water, wait for few minutes until the water turn dark color, then take away calyx. The tea is ready. U can add in sugar if u like.
Thank you Chia,
and thanks for picture of how to make juice too, I have save it in an document, and hope roselle will grow in Sweden next summer I shall have it inside my porsch there it is warmer and hope to get flower first year,