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Equilibrium

September 04, 2005
11:36 PM

Post #1742339

American Cranberry Bush (Tree), Crampbark Tree, Wild Gueldes-Rose, Gueldres-Rose, Dog Rowan Tree
Viburnum opulus var. americanum

Viburnum trilobum

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/2494/

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ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 06, 2006
07:44 AM

Post #1957994

Hey Equilibrium!

DG Admin says to ask you the question: Could you have mis-posted this picture? I'd categorically say it's not a V. acerifolium (red fruit, dense clubby branches, deeply sinused 3-lobed glossy leaves) do not say mapleleaf viburnum.

More likely, you posted a very healthy and fructaceous V. trilobum or V. opulus clone, which I am impressed by since they don't grow for beans down here in the sultry south.

I'm working my way through the rest of the pics here, but you may have more shots of the same plant similarly posted under V. acerifolium.

I'm adding below a shot of V. acerifolium in flower here.

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ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 06, 2006
07:58 AM

Post #1958003

Meant to say: the previous picture was taken in the third week of May 2005.

And here's a view of the same plant here at the Valley, in fall color.

Yes, this is late in the season (1st week of November) after our long 2005 drought, the foliage is looking rough but the plant is hanging in there! That's a testament to more liberal use of this plant in difficult sites.

Kevin_5 would be so proud.

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Equilibrium

January 17, 2006
10:43 AM

Post #1982737

Hi There!

I've got a few plants that I mis-posted and inadvertently swapped with others and Creeping Crud comes to mind but this one wasn't an accident. I actually assumed this plant was really V. acerifolium when I added the images. My images were taken mid September.

Please go here to the Plant Files and two more additional photos of the same bush are posted so you can get close ups to get a good peek-
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1471/index.html
If you scroll down, you will find the two close ups of the very same plant. If you look closely at the photo with the fruit over to the left of the image you will see a stipule. If you look up you will find another stipule in the background that is out of focus. Neither area of the photo is large enough for you to view properly but the petioles have glands so the existence of the glands in and of itself would have ruled this plant out as being acerifolium.

Tell me what you think and it's really important because this plant is in a native plant demonstration garden and the plaque at the base states it is V. acerifolium. I can't get any more photos of the leaves on this until this coming May but I know exactly where the plant is and can get back to it with no problems when the plant leafs out this coming spring.

I did a quick yahoo search for images of V. trilobum and here’s a direct link-
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Viburnum tril...

Here's another search for images of V. opulus and the direct link-
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Viburnum opul...

And last but not least, here's a direct link to images of V. acerifolium
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Viburnum acer...

The leaves on the plant labeled as V. acerifolium from the images I added to the data base do have deeper lobed sinuses and that red fruit is sticking out like a sore thumb. My bet is that this plant is trilobum which you hit on the head first shot out the gate. Right about now, I am hoping you hit the nail on the head with trilobum because that plant is native to eastern US while opulus is not native to the continent of NA so that means trouble in a native demonstration garden.

PLEASE help me get a proper ID on this plant as it is in view of the public and it should be corrected. I’ll also need to contact Terry or Baa and give them a link to this post so they can move my photos over to where they belong. They are really good about correcting mistakes, I make a lot. The plant I photographed was probably sold to the demonstration garden as V. acerifolium as I don’t recall a V. opulus or V. trilobum being represented anywhere so the possibility of a mix up with plaques that way is out. I'm not one of the volunteers who purchases as that is left to the staff horticulturist who is probably the only paid person over there. I volunteer in other areas- noxious weed removal almost exclusively and I can identify just about any buckthorn but with hundreds of Viburnum out there… it’s best for me to rely upon the plaques or… people like you. Funny how when something as authoritative as a plaque is prominently displayed out in front of a plant that no one questions the ID of a specimen. Whatever you come up with will be fine. I will print off this entire thread and bring it in next spring to give to the volunteer coordinator. There are no big egos amongst any of the volunteers. Everyone does the best they can.

Are you ever up in Illinois? Would you be able to come by and look at the other plants that are at the native plant demonstration garden? I would be more than happy to pay your gas if you were ever able to come up here to take a look around and you could even stay at my house so there’d be no hotel or meal expenses… and I can cook contrary to popular belief that all I do is play with plants.

Here are a few good photos off the net that are listed as being representative of acerifolium-
http://www.canr.uconn.edu/plsci/mbrand/v/vibace/vibace05.jpg
http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/cwe/illinois_plants/ThePlants/U-ZGe...
http://www.botany.wisc.edu/wisflora/scripts/detail.asp?SpCod...

Here are a few good photos of V. trilobum that I found-
http://www.ank.tec.mn.us/rrobinson/Shrub Pictures/viburnum, ...
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/v/vibtri/vibtri03.jpg
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ldplants/images/vi-t-o10.jpg
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/island/flo42.htm
http://www.nativeplantcenter.org/ceceimages/cece3.jpg

Here are a few good photos of V. opulus that I found-
http://www.missouriplants.com/Whiteopp/Viburnum_opulus_leaf...
http://www.missouriplants.com/Whiteopp/Viburnum_opulus_page... http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/shade_gardening/48389
http://www.terra.hu/haznov/jpg/Viburnum.opulus.1.jpg
http://www.hort.cornell.edu/VLB/key/Vopul.htm

Would you like me to drive back down there and get more photos of the branches to help you get a positive ID on this? The demonstration garden is only 45 minutes away from me and in no traffic I can make it in a half hour.

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. Can you go through my other photos to check for accuracy, time allowing of course. I caught several plants at the native plant garden that had plaques with binomials misspelled. No money to correct those for a few years but they will be corrected as soon as funds are available.

Lauren

PS, please add your photos to the PlantFiles. Everybody here loves photos.

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