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advice on TRAILERS from Violet Gallery

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

When we were at The Violet Gallery, Barb gave us some culture tips for trailers. I hope Nanna will elaborate & fill in what I've missed!

When a trailing violet starts getting leggy, Barb suggests taking a crown cutting to root. In fact, if you take a long, trailing cutting, you can break it up into several pieces and root each piece. (Notice how you can sometimes see roots forming along a trailing stem; it'll root anywhere along its length.) Once you've cut the crown off, a trailing violet that was growing as a single stem will often start setting suckers, eg trailing branches.

Barb prefers wide, shallow pots for her trailers (like Rob suggests -- no more than 2" deep for minis or 2 1/2" deep for standards, as I recall from his website). She also suggests putting the crown cutting & other cuttings into the same pot as the mother plant (presumably after rooting them in a humid environment?) so you get a fuller effect. That sounds good to me, but I wanted to note that I'm pretty sure plants for *show* have to have only a single plant in the pot. In a show plant, the trailing branches may spread across the surface of the soil and root themselves as they go along, but the branches are all still connected to the mother plant.

Barb gifted each of us with an overgrown, leggy trailer so we could have fun breaking it up & repotting it.... I will take before & after pics when I do this, and report on the progress of the plant. :-)

The Heart of Texas, TX(Zone 8b)

Thanks CritterO,
That' wonderful info to have since I have soo many trailers...I agree, far as I know trailers for show can not be multiple plants it has to stem from one crown.

On the upside of that since I don't grow to show so I see nothing wrong with putting multiple plants in a pot to save space.They make a nice display this way, too.

MsC

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

When you are showing a trailer it must have at least three crowns all from one plant. Also all the crowns must be blooming ! I love growing trailers :)) Allison

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Ps I got a box of 14 plants plus leaves today from Violet-Gallery .
My first from them ! It is wonderful !
I ordered one trailer from the ~ ANGEL TEARS TRAIL- (6126) 01/22/1986 (C. Sotkiewicz) Double white frilled/pink fantasy. Medium green, pointed, quilted. Standard trailer ~
I had to cut all the roots off and put it down in a new pot of fresh soil-less mix. But let me tell you its hugh ! I also have a tiny baby plant from it. And at least a half a dozen solo cups which each has two or more leaves in them ! I will have some in Spring to Share !
I will be ordering many more boxes from them. :))
I am dancing the Happy Dance ! Allison

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Thanks for the info, Allison! Growing AVs for show would be a whole new level of obsession for me.... hmmmm... :-)

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Oh, good news about your VG order! We were so pleased with the selection & size of the plants we saw there. I was happy with my spring order from Rob's Violet Barn, but these plants all seemed twice the size of the ones that Rob's sent. I'm still splitting & repotting & putting down leaves from the 20 plants that I brought home from there....

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Yes I was excited when I saw your posting . What a dream to be able to go there ! I saw you plants and were hoping mine would be as wonderful ! And WOW they are ! I will be getting a lot more in the Spring ! How far do you live from them ? Allison

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

It took us about an hour to get there from here, so if you're ever up this way..... :-) I'm sorry I didn't "meet" you sooner, as I'd have been happy to do a little shopping for you.... I just sent a big box off to MsC with various "trade goods" and a couple of trailers I got for here there. I will let you know when I go again!

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

WHY your lucky ! Do they sell them for less or the same as on line ? Do they have more in the store to pick from ? I know I will be getting more in the Spring :)) I was very happy with my box. For 14 plants and three sets of leaves they only charge me $ 11.00 for shipping ! I am so pleased , they also have a nice selection ! You muct have had so much fun. I am disabled home bound/ bed bound so I can only dream. Thanks for sharing your pictures and stories ! Made my day. Allison

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I think their price was the same as online, only of course I didn't have to pay shipping. I did get a few that weren't in their web catalog.

We'll have to "shop" one another's selections this spring and do a nice trade!

I'm so happy you've joined this forum -- I think you're inspiring us all to new heights of collecting & propagating!

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

This is a very nice forum ! I don't even know how I fount it :))
I have some really nice babies growing, leaves down, or leaves to trade. Trades are a lot of fun ! Does the forum ever have secret leaf trades ? Those are fun ! Or Bingo's ? Allison

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Oh, a secret leaf trade does sound like fun! I was thinking we could try a plantlet swap in spring, although maybe people want to just trade for specific varieties.... I was thinking along the lines of, send in 5 (or however many) plantlets, get 5 different ones back.... a way to swap varieties witha bunch of people for the postage cost of 2 trades... we'll see how things develop here over the winter & if there's interest.

How do you play Bingo online? I'm intrigued...

Silver Spring, MD

I think you touched on everything. I'm with MsC--if I'm not going to grow for show I may as well fill the pot with trailer cuttings.

I divided the "freebee" into three pieces and stuck them back into the same pot with the original pot. My hope is a very full, bushy, loads of blooms display.

Nanna

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

I don't show. I'm 99 percent bedbound/ home bound . I just know about showing .
But I let my plants do what ever they want ! And Trailers :)) I just let them grow and grow . I like growing them once large in pan pots ! I have two Chimera trailers. One in heavy bloom. and one just a tiny sucker just rooting my friend from Canada sent me !, as I bought her the plant for a gift. It's slow going but I sure hope it grows.
trailers are the best as they can just grow and grow and the more crowns in the pot the more flowers ! Allison

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Oh Nanna,
I like that kind of trade. You send me five I send you five. Or you send me 15 sets of leaves ,I send you 15 . sets.
The best trade I had a couple years ago I sent this person 75 plants Av's some Strp's. And sense she was having plant problem she sent me 75 sets of lvs. I wanna tell you it was the best trade I ever had ! " I will never forget it" I had bought 100 leaves when Blooming jungles I think it was out of Canada was still selling lvs. And I also went to local group then. Each meeting I was given all kinds of leaves ! And they would sell raffle tickets I'd come home with 6 or more blooming plants ! Then the show/sales we got a discount and I think I bought the mini/semi's , in bloom plants for $ 2.00 each and the large plants in bloom for $ 3.00 with my discount ! FUN ! FUN ! We did not get any doubles either. With 20 thousand plus Av's out there I hardly get any doubles and even if I do I don't mind :))
Trading and sharing is fun ! Allison

The Heart of Texas, TX(Zone 8b)

Allison,
We are so glad you found us,too. And all of us ARE really nice folks who just love AV's & Gessies. Basically, we all like to share our plants & information. One of the things ME thinks makes our group so special is that we are still small and most only grow for the sheer pleasure of the AV's.

Our motto is to have good ole fashion fun!

Anyawy glad you found us.

MsC

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Thanks MSC that's why I grow for FUN ! Av's are fun to grow and share ! It's nice to meet people like you all. Allison

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I started to write more here about doing an AV swap, then realized I was straying waaaay off topic and should just start a new thread... so that's what I'll do!

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

I finally got around to repotting my bonus plant from The Violet Gallery, and I took some pictures to show how I went about it!

Here's a "before" picture of the very leggy 'Allegro Appalachian Trail' AV:

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

When I looked closely at the stem, I could see several new little clumps of leaves emerging between some of the bigger leaf stems. So I figure this plant will not need much encouragement to branch out, but it does need a little help. I thought about where to make my cut so a few leaves and a couple of new leaf clusters would remain on the mother plant, and then I severed the main stem with a very sharp knife.

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

The piece I cut off looked large enough to be broken up, so I separated it into a geneous crown cutting and another length of stem that had a new leaf cluster as well as a number of leaves.

Here is the crown cutting just after I cut it off:

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

And here is the crown cutting with a few of the lower leaves removed (and potted up, of course!) so that the nub at the base is a little longer... This makes it easier to pot up the crown and get good soil contact all around the bottom of the stem where new roots will form. I pack the potting soil pretty firmly around a crown cutting, too, and they it goes into a high humidity environment until roots form (Rob's has a good culture page on doing this).

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

The stem section had leaves going off in every direction. I decided to keep only those leaves that went up into the same plane as the new leaf cluster.... basically, I tried to imagine how I would plant the stem segment into the soil, and I removed any leaves that would've pointed down into the pot.

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Here are the crown and stem pieces in their new pots (mother plant is on the left).

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Here is the mother plant of 'Allergro Appalachian Trail' in its new blue pot. I left space in the pot to plant the other 2 pieces... If I'd planned to show the plant, I would put only one plant in the pot, but adding the other pieces once they root will make the pot look full in no time at all (I hope).

Hmmm, looking again at this picture I'm thinking there may only be enough space to add that stem piece when it roots. The crown piece may just get a bigger pot of its own down the line.

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Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Wonderful ! Thnks for sharing .

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

If I hadn't read that culture info at the Rob's site about removing and repotting AV crowns, I don't think I'd have had the nerve to execute this procedure! I'll post an update picture down the line, and we'll see just how well it worked...

Silver Spring, MD

Good Morning, you'all,

Have a picture of the very leggy Allergro Appalachian Trail that I was given at V-G in October. Mine had only one bloom and that was gone in two days. I decided to chop it up and put it all back in the same pot. That was about a week after we returned from Violet Gallery, which I think was a month ago.

I looked at her today and to my amazement there are at least 20 or 30 new growth succors. The blooms are now just starting. The plant is full and beginning to trail over the pot.

You can see the 3 or 4 main succors that have started, but under the leaves there are tons more. I will share another picture when the blooms start opening.

Nanna



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Silver Spring, MD

I simply decided that before I started taking leaves or starts from AAT that I wanted to experiment with cutting the neck into several pieces and planting them in the same pot.

Is'nt it wonderful that we can have fun and experiement in the ways we want.

Nanna

Silver Spring, MD

One last picture.

I purchased this violet at VG thinking is was a regular semi mini. It only had two blooms but I fell in love with the color, shaping and texture of the leaves.

Once home, I began to notice the way the blooms developed and raised above the plant. It sure looked like a trailer to me. I called VG to ask about the plant because I couldn't find it listed on any of the links. Sure enough it is a trailer or "has trailing tendencies."

Here is First Robin.

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Wow! So that's what mine might look like in a month or two....

Nanna, did you put the whole pot in a bag or terrarium while the pieces rooted? That's the consideration that had me putting the crown & stem piece into little pots for a bit.... not enough room in the terrarium for the big pot, and I didn't want to do the baggie thing.

'First Robin' is lovely with those slightly bell-shaped blooms!

Silver Spring, MD

Nope!! I jut cut them and stuck them in the pot with the mom. I thought since I had the plant set up with the wicking system I wouldn't have to worry about moisture.

I couldn't believe how fast it grew!! One other thing; I snipped off the center of each crown on all of my trailers. Rob said a little ugly now makes a lot of pretty later.

Nanna

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Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Update.... The base part and the stem cutting from my 'Allegro Appalachian Trail' plant that I dissected above are both enthusiastically putting out new suckers! I'll have to get a photo...

I did manage to get a picture of the crown cutting, which is doing really well! It's blooming now, and popping up a bunch of buds as well.

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The Heart of Texas, TX(Zone 8b)

CritterO,
That's great. I found your advice wonderful for my trailers too.
I finally got brave enough and cut several back and I'm now having great luck with them sprouting new growth.
One of the variegated ones is really pretty and sprouting almost lime green/white foliage.

Pretty cool.

Thanks for sharing the info.

MsC

Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

Nanna sometimes I take a crown off my trailers, or just one or two leaves every once in awhile make they trail like crazy ! Fun to play around with !

Vero Beach, FL(Zone 9b)

Thanks for the info :)

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Hey, scroll up to the November 17th picture of the stem cutting (6:34 PM), and then take a look here at how quickly it grew! The base of the original plant has grown like this also! Wow!

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Dunedin, FL(Zone 10b)

wow beautiful ! That's the same plant, it was so scragly and tiny before. great growing Critter !

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Yes, that was the center section from the very leggy plant I started with.... most of the leaves had to be removed in order to pot it up, but it did have a couple of suckers starting already when I planted it. I think my violets are really loving life under the lights!

I wonder if Nanna's 'Allegro Appalachian Trail' is blooming yet....

Frederick, MD(Zone 6b)

Here's an updated look at the stem cutting from 'AAT'.... soon it will be time to put it in a little pan pot!

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