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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2006
12:19 PM

Post #1975348

Hi folks,

I thought I'd start a new thread for updates on the strep seedlings (with a better thread title!) This is a continuation of this thread: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/551970/ I hope you'll post your progress, frustrations, non-progress etc here.

Just to recap:

I tried crossing a big strep with floofy purple petals from Parks Seed's Royal series strain with a small narrow-leaved strep with simple white flowers. The white one was the mother.

The white strep often selfed itself, so I was quite rude when pollinating. I literally ripped the petals and the anthers (with pollen) off the flowers first, and then pollinated it. I still wasn't sure if I had managed to keep all the white pollen off the white stigmas, but I guess we shall see.

I harvested the seed around November 30 and let them dry in a paper envelope. I broke open the pods on December 2, 2005, and sowed them on December 5 using my usual method (http://www.flickr.com/groups/gesneriads/discuss/22059/). I didn't watch for germination, so I don't know exactly how long it took.

I am now treating this batch like royalty, and following the sage advice of expert hybridizers that it truly pays to disturb the seedlings every two weeks (by potting up, or repotting into the same pot, or at least jiggling the root zone).

Nannavarro posted a pic of her seedlings in the old thread. Sowed in the afternoon of December 14, germination noticed in the morning of December 26.

This image here is either the father or an uncle :^) I finally found a pic.


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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2006
12:21 PM

Post #1975352

This is the seed pod and the seeds taken on Dec 2, 2005. I think I actually harvested them 2-3 days earlier and let them dry in a paper envelope.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2006
12:24 PM

Post #1975358

And here is a picture of the seedlings on January 1, 2006. I sowed them on December 5, so this is already about 4 weeks.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2006
12:27 PM

Post #1975362

After I took the last photo, I gave them a bit of seaweed fertilizer and squished the pot a couple of times. I also started opening up the bag gradually, so it is now sitting in an open ziploc bag - this gives it some extra humidity while the roots develop, but acclimatizes it to the regular room air as well.

This photo is about 2 weeks after the last.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2006
12:28 PM

Post #1975364

Here's another view. It looks like I should repot, doesn't it?

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junglebob
Palm Bay, FL
(Zone 9b)

January 14, 2006
1:03 PM

Post #1975414

looks pretty excirting to me...congrtats..
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 14, 2006
11:03 PM

Post #1976781

Here's my babies, planted on 12/28, 17 days.
teenie, but not dead!

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 14, 2006
11:08 PM

Post #1976792

And another

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 14, 2006
11:10 PM

Post #1976798

Here's the container I used

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Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

January 15, 2006
1:27 AM

Post #1977169

Oh so cute. How do you know how much to water them ?
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 15, 2006
1:59 AM

Post #1977254

I haven't watered them since I put them on the soil. Until today, then I took my garden spray bottle with the finest micro mist and gave just a few mists. Then put the lid back on. If it gets too foggy, I take the lid and turn it a bit so it is only about 90% covered.

I started a seed planting tutorial photo thingie today, I'll post it a bit later. Kind of like the strep propagation photos I took.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

January 15, 2006
2:45 AM

Post #1977414

Great thanks ! Did you water them when you first set them or just moist soil ?
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 15, 2006
6:25 AM

Post #1977738

Just moist soil. a very light soil blend, so that if you make a fist, it wont hold together in a ball, just crumbles.

somethinkg like 20% peat, 40/40 of perlite and soilless mix. But I always eye-ball it.
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
4:47 AM

Post #1998628

Ten days since my last photo. The leaves are overflowing the pot, so I potted them up.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
4:47 AM

Post #1998631

Another view.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
4:49 AM

Post #1998634

separating the seedlings - make sure the soil is moist! Then loosen the roots and gently pull the plants apart by holding the leaves - don't pull apart by the roots or by the stem.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
4:52 AM

Post #1998636

potted up...The mix is heavier than I want but I realized too late. I put 3 light duty slow release fertilizer pellets about 3/4 deep in each pot - a tip from another grower.

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MsCritterkeeper
The Heart of Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

January 25, 2006
5:23 AM

Post #1998664

Those look great!
I'm paying close attention so I can learn. I have a few strep seeds I'd love to see do good.

MsC
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

January 25, 2006
10:29 AM

Post #1998779

Amazing Fun ! great job Keyring ! Thanks for sharing :))
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
2:02 PM

Post #1999113

Key, did you mean something like osmocote? those itty bitty round pellet balls?
I'll post a photo of mine too, they have some 'true' looking leaves now.
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
2:14 PM

Post #1999145

yes, I use 13-13-13 nutricote for other plants so that's what I used. Supposedly Osmocote has a tendency to dump the fertilizer in one massive dose if the temperature is too hot, which can happen in my apartment in the summer. I hear Nutricote is safer.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
3:27 PM

Post #1999309

good to know! I don't know if I have seen nutricote around here. But I'll look.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
9:49 PM

Post #2000072

Here's the babies 11 days since I posted last. They are like the little engine that could!

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
9:51 PM

Post #2000075

Here's another

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
9:51 PM

Post #2000077

A little closer.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
9:52 PM

Post #2000078

And the last one.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
10:04 PM

Post #2000095

call me crazy but I love germination pics. lol.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
10:18 PM

Post #2000129

the good news is they are alive and well, and seem happy. I think they've been down about a month, if memory serves me - they were sown on the 18 of Dec.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2006
10:19 PM

Post #2000131

Duh! I just had to look at my own photos above to see the label. Planted on the 28th of Dec. So yea, just about one month.
I feel a birthday party coming on!!!
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

January 25, 2006
10:24 PM

Post #2000138

I have a pod of Saintpaulia (Noid) that just went dry. It is very much like a Petunia in shape and seed size. I don't want more of this plant, but the seedlng experience would be welcome. Do AV seeds need light or darkness; heat or room temp?

Thanks from someone who no longer has the time to research for himself!
Kenton
Chris_Lorry
Vero Beach, FL
(Zone 9b)

January 25, 2006
10:34 PM

Post #2000172

Well I fear I may have killed my seeds :(
I am sorry but nothing to report from me other then nothing is in the little container I potted them into :(
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 25, 2006
11:50 PM

Post #2000315

Kenton, sow on top of soil (spread them out!), don't cover seeds, keep warm, bright and humid. More detail of how I do it here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/gesneriads/discuss/22059/

Lorry - better luck next time! Seeds are so plentiful, it's worth trying again when you feel like it. If your conditions are humid enough, you might be able to just scatter seeds and find that some grow.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

January 26, 2006
12:37 AM

Post #2000430

What do you think I'll get from this pod on my new Stardust Chirita? This was the bloom I showed the other day. Bloom fell off, (ok, i knocked it off by accident, but it came off very easily so I think it was done) and left behind this cool pod!

I'm not too sad about it, 'cause look at those other buds! OH yea, and my Bristols Hug Me strep has one too! AND I have an av loaded with pods too!

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

January 26, 2006
12:57 AM

Post #2000467

that pod will either shrivel up or it will develop into a ripe pod - time will tell ;-)
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 3, 2006
10:38 PM

Post #2020417

okie dokie, 9 days since the last photo. Here's a comparison.

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Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

February 3, 2006
10:50 PM

Post #2020452

Holy growth spurt, Batman!
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 3, 2006
10:56 PM

Post #2020473

isn't it?

I wasn't going to take a pic for another week, but I saw how much they've grown...
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

February 3, 2006
10:57 PM

Post #2020478

it is amazing - I am shocked with Hector - each day brings a new change!
junglebob
Palm Bay, FL
(Zone 9b)

February 3, 2006
11:02 PM

Post #2020502

you guys have me so excited about my streps...i am going to keep consistant records on the leaves i am putting down...hard to imagine in 2 weeks though..but we'll see...thanks so much for your expertise.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 3, 2006
11:31 PM

Post #2020569

I just peeked at my seeds today again, they are going fast, but not as dramatically as yours Ky
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 7, 2006
12:30 AM

Post #2027304

Here are some updated shots of my Keyring babies.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 7, 2006
12:31 AM

Post #2027307

and another. (us mom's and our brag books! showing off our children!)

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Debsroots
Northwest, MO
(Zone 5a)

February 7, 2006
2:12 AM

Post #2027548

You are going to have tons to plants. Isn't it fun to hang out with all your plants. I just spent the last hour caring for my babies.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

February 7, 2006
4:14 AM

Post #2027901

WOW Your a MOM with green arms :))
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

February 7, 2006
5:53 AM

Post #2028002

Fancy.
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

February 7, 2006
11:04 AM

Post #2028125

way cool!! You are going to have tons. Congrats!!!
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 7, 2006
10:25 PM

Post #2029323

Well, everyone will get one of Key's grandchildren! you can see there are plenty to go around, even when they are big, and if I put one in each room of my house there will still be plenty to spare!

Same with my AV seedlings. Teacup and Fantasy's for all!
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

February 8, 2006
1:10 AM

Post #2029681

I hope to be able to do the same with Hib. schizo. I tried a different hormone on them.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 8, 2006
2:45 AM

Post #2029876

Oh, Kenton I forgot to tell you, Lorry found me a source, so your generous Hib. offer isn't needed. I think Bob wants it though.
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

February 8, 2006
3:28 AM

Post #2030105

Thanks. (More for me, haha!)
Kenton
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 8, 2006
2:48 PM

Post #2030666

Yes, Kenton, but you are so sweet to have offered! Muchas Gracias mi Amigo!
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

February 8, 2006
6:49 PM

Post #2031013

De nada.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

February 8, 2006
7:41 PM

Post #2031099

Those babies from seeds are adorable. Keyring and Begoinia how large do you let them get before they go into their own pots ?
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 8, 2006
8:16 PM

Post #2031157

I have no idea, I suppose I'll move them to pots when they start touching the lid of the container. Keyring tell me what to do...
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 8, 2006
11:36 PM

Post #2031545

Generally I hear it recommended that they be potted individually as soon as they are large enough to handle. (In other words, mine can definitely be potted individually.) If you set them up on wicks or are good at watering, and you have small pots, this is probably good advice.

Since I am not very good at watering, I keep them in compots (3-4 plants per pot) for much longer, although I do pot them up a size regularly.
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 11, 2006
10:47 PM

Post #2038373

Another 8 days and this is how they look.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 11, 2006
10:51 PM

Post #2038384

I'm officially a convert to the "repot every 2 weeks" method. This is a comparison between today and the last repot date which was 17 days ago. I'll be potting them up again today.

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Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

February 11, 2006
11:45 PM

Post #2038507

That's amazing
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

February 12, 2006
2:53 AM

Post #2038938

Sure is amazing Keyring ! Do they seem to grow much faster from seed than rooting be leaf ?
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

February 12, 2006
12:00 PM

Post #2039507

I find that sinningia and streps bloom faster from seed - however the first flowering will be small.

Here's an article showing some seedlings of the same age: http://www.greenculturesg.com/articles/sep05/gcs030905c.htm

I have lots of seedlings that look like the middle pic, so I should start messing with them more ;-)
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

February 12, 2006
4:43 PM

Post #2040223

Fancy. Growing warp speed. Nice job, Keyring.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

February 13, 2006
3:27 AM

Post #2041565

Sure is Ditto Kenton :)) Exciting !
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 4, 2006
4:36 PM

Post #2086102

updated photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/ki/sets/72057594048086790/

Three weeks since I potted them into the current pots.

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Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 4, 2006
4:42 PM

Post #2086112

wow - they look fantastic Keyring! Good Job!
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 4, 2006
6:53 PM

Post #2086348

holy cow Key, they look mahvelous! What are you feeding?
junglebob
Palm Bay, FL
(Zone 9b)

March 4, 2006
9:35 PM

Post #2086657

key..just sensational...thanks for your experience and inspiration to all of us
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 4, 2006
10:17 PM

Post #2086736

WOW they grew super fast ! Amazing Keyring !
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 4, 2006
10:28 PM

Post #2086762

so far so good.

The only fertilizer is 2-3 slow release balls per pot. I think I have 17-17-17 strength, which I think is too strong. I have what looks like fertilizer burn on a couple of leaves.
ineedacupoftea
Denver, CO

March 5, 2006
7:11 AM

Post #2087713

Overfertilization scares me now. I had been slowly killing my beloved Caricas and all the while wondered what on earth could be deficient in them! Now I don't fertilize until the plants ask for it!
Kenton
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 5, 2006
1:15 PM

Post #2087979

Hi all - I found this link and wasn't sure if anyone had seen it yet? http://www.dibleys.com/strep.htm
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 5, 2006
1:46 PM

Post #2088058

Hi Kenton! I also prefer to underfertilize everything. This is a habit I have from growing orchids and from my tendency to underwater everything.

Healthy established AVs can be fertilized regularly though, and some plants that have a massive growth spurt in spring can be flooded with fert without a problem. Also, plants that like to stay wet all the time are less prone to fertilizer burn than those that like to go dry between waterings - fertilizer+dry roots = fert burn.

Another precaution to take is to flush the pots regularly with plain water. Sensitive plants should be flushed with a lower ph water for effective leaching. An alternative is to simply repot the plants (new potting mix, even if the pot size stays the same) every 6 months.

Excellent link from Dibleys! Interesting to note that they recommend a high potash fertilizer (that's a high K in NPK). I'm going to dig around for some - I think I have some somewhere.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 5, 2006
5:47 PM

Post #2088646

excellent advice keyring ! Anita great link pretty sure it's in the gessie sticky and lots of great others ones . Check them out :))
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 5, 2006
5:58 PM

Post #2088674

Yes fertilizer high in high potash is good for Strep's.

Potassium
" Always on the move" is probaly the best way to describe this nutrient's status in a plant. Its exact function isn't known ; but if it is missing the plant's reaction can be easlily predicted. It has been credited with making plant more resistant to diseases, causing the plants to be able to withstand cooler temperatures than normal, and aiding plant roots by improving their ability to abosorbe other plant nutreients from the soil.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 5, 2006
6:02 PM

Post #2088678

I'm going to order some of Dibley's tablets for Streptocarpus plants that they use and sell !
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 5, 2006
6:05 PM

Post #2088680

I forgot to point out that fertilizer strength plays the critical role in fertilizer burn. It's obviousl but still...

For eg, the VF-11 that a lot of people here seem to like has NPK of 0.15-0.85-0.55 - no wonder it won't cause fertilizer burn. In comparison, I dilute fertilizer that has numbers at around 20-20-20 or 10-30-30 - I start with those because some of my plants actually need that at full strength and its cheaper for me to just have a few NPK ratios and not various strengths of the same (e.g., doesn't make sense for me to have a bottle of 20-20-20 as well as a 4-4-4).
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 5, 2006
6:16 PM

Post #2088700

So true
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 14, 2006
3:35 AM

Post #2111196

well I have my first buds!!!!!!!!!!!!!

14 weeks since sowing!

This is one planted 2 to a 2.25" square pot.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 14, 2006
3:36 AM

Post #2111199

another one - single plant in a 2" round pot.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 14, 2006
3:39 AM

Post #2111203

and one more in a 2" round.

I was getting ready to pot them up tonight, but now I guess I won't! I'd rather see the flowers first and start culling the ones I don't like.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 14, 2006
3:48 AM

Post #2111218

NO WAY!!! I guess I better pot mine up now. they are getting big enough to move up to thumb pots.
2zeus

(Zone 7b)

March 14, 2006
6:17 AM

Post #2111378

This has been a fascinating thread - you inspire me to try crossing my new streps when they bloom!
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 14, 2006
10:36 AM

Post #2111475

WOW Keyring great growing ! I am always amazed how fast Streps progate and bloom with ease by leaf even. By seedlings WOW Super :))
Anitabryk2
Long Island, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 14, 2006
11:19 AM

Post #2111509

great shots! I find it so interesting
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:17 AM

Post #2117640

I figured I better get with the program Key and transplant my babies (does this make them your grandchildren or nieces and nephews?)

So here is the mini-terrarium pre-transplanting. Why do you suppose they all grew in the same direction?

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Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 17, 2006
1:21 AM

Post #2117655

WOW cuties ! I'd say they were reaching for the light but didn't you have them under lights ?
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:22 AM

Post #2117656

And here they are in their new dixie cups.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:24 AM

Post #2117662

I was able to fill six dixies with the strongest of the group. And they were always about 8" from the lights. Pretty close. But these seeds start with one BIG leaf and then there's a second baby leaf at the base the size of a pin head.

edited because I can't count

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:26 AM

Post #2117670

Here's the littlest ones, they got left in the baby crib to grow a bit longer. Once they size up, they'll get transplanted themselves.

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begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:31 AM

Post #2117685

After comparing, mine looked to be the same size after 2 and a half months as Key's were at 4 weeks. I must not be so great at this. Or maybe that replant every 2 weeks has merit!

I'll keep my eye on these guys now more closely. I did lift a lot of the little ones and replant in the container just to 'stir' them up a bit. But they were soooo tiny that I didn't want to move them up just yet.

Key some of yours have two large leaves and mine are ALL one leaved with a tiny itsy-bitsy pin head leaf at the base of the big one. What's that about?
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 17, 2006
1:35 AM

Post #2117698

Very interesting. And your bave ! I'm always afraid to
move them hen their so small.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 17, 2006
1:39 AM

Post #2117715

I know they were so teeny tiny. But I teased the roots apart with a bamboo skewer and it seemed to work fine.
It wasn't too bad.
But that's one of the reasons I've been putting it off.

They went into a CostCo fresh spinach container with holes (a bigger terrarium) so they will still have the humidity they are used to.

Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 17, 2006
1:59 AM

Post #2117778

Great growing !
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 17, 2006
2:22 AM

Post #2117824

woohoo!!! *clapping hands*

I know, they're sooooo tiny, it seems impossible, but Dale the Hybridizing Guru Extraordinaire (btw, I've never met her and she doesn't even know I exist) says pick 'em up and put 'em down. With a toothpick if you have to.

If you look above at the pic of mine when they are laid out on a white trash bag before potting up (at 1:49 am on Jan 25), you'll see that the smallest ones are one leaf+nub. In the next pic, the bottom right pot has the small ones.

Feb 11, 7:51 photo has that same small pot.

Some still have only one leaf + nub. There may be a unifoliate somewhere in the background of one of the parents.
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

March 31, 2006
4:28 AM

Post #2152073

the first flower opened today (about 4 months from sowing). This looks exactly like mom !!!!!! So I can't tell if I have mom x self, or mom x purple...

The plant is much more vigorous than mom, though, and instead of 1-2 flowers per peduncle, the first flower spike on this one has 3 buds. The look like they might bloom successively...

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2zeus

(Zone 7b)

March 31, 2006
4:39 AM

Post #2152080

Beautiful!

This has been a fascinating thread.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

March 31, 2006
1:35 PM

Post #2152502

oh my, mine aren't even close. they look the same as they did on the 16th. I guess i better lift them up and re-pot, it's been 2 weeks.
Great growing Key!
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

March 31, 2006
6:55 PM

Post #2153245

Oh wow beautiful. I really like the flower Keyring ! Super growing. Thanks for sharing. Yes this has been a fun fascinating thread.!
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

April 18, 2006
1:09 AM

Post #2198169

well, they are basically coming out white or blueish purple, with varying degrees of frill. Some are one flower per stem, one had three, and most seem to have two that are sequentially blooming. Here's another white one. Like mom, but more vigorous and a bit better substance in the flower (thicker petals).

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

April 18, 2006
1:11 AM

Post #2198175

here's a blue/purple - shape like mom, color from dad. Flower size a bit bigger than mom.

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

April 18, 2006
1:14 AM

Post #2198183

and here's a frillier white - frills from dad, color from mom. Leaves are big like dad, but long and relatively narrow like mom. Flower shape might improve as it gets older.

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aprilwillis
Missouri City, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 18, 2006
1:16 AM

Post #2198190

Beautiful Key! Sooo cool!
Spider07
Lilburn, GA

April 18, 2006
2:30 AM

Post #2198414

Well done, Key! Wonderful flowers!
2zeus

(Zone 7b)

April 18, 2006
4:50 AM

Post #2199015

This is so neat, to see the blooms, and they are all gorgeous!
nannanavarro
Silver Spring, MD

April 18, 2006
9:56 AM

Post #2199217

Well done! Truely beautiful blooms.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 18, 2006
9:59 AM

Post #2199222

Yes ! For sure Well Done ! Your awesome Keyring !
Stunning each one of your new flowers ! I enjoy them so much. Thanks for sharing . Allison
jannich
Andalusia, AL
(Zone 8b)

April 18, 2006
11:44 AM

Post #2199330

This has been a wonderful thread.I enjoyed the pictures ,watching them grow.I guess I'm not very good at seed sowing I didn't even get one seedling.LOL.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 29, 2006
4:26 PM

Post #2232929

Laurie how about up-dated pictures on your Strep babies please !
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

April 29, 2006
4:40 PM

Post #2232961

Rightee-o, funny you should ask, I just repotted them all yesterday. I really needed to pick up the Dale Martens 'Every two week' schedule! I had gotten too busy/lazy to repot, hang on ... I'll get a photo.
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

April 29, 2006
4:51 PM

Post #2232981

Growth since March 16, roughly 6 weeks ago. Boy, they aren't performing much are they? Really need to 'lift' them more. Perhaps some VF11, but they've been in the cookie box terrarium and haven't even dried out. Should I leave the lid off - allow them to dry more thoroughly and fertilize?

I had them in the clear box so they wouln't dry too fast before I could get to them again. But perhaps they want a little 'stress' to encourage them to grow?

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Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

April 29, 2006
6:19 PM

Post #2233170

hmm that's weird not much growth sense your "Mar 16, 2006
10:24 PM picture " Or is this enough ?
Does Keyring cover her's I forget ? I don't like to cover so they can get air circulation and need food. If they don't grow and not thirsty and need no food how will they grow properky is what I wonder ?
Maybe it's time to uncover and get them under lights !
How are all you cute pink babies ! And new pictures pretty please !
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

April 29, 2006
7:11 PM

Post #2233257

well they still look healthy, even if they haven't grown much.

The small ones definitely need to stay humid, but the larger ones could probably move to a semi-enclosed set-up... but if they were mine, I would still keep them all covered until they have a fairly decent-sized second leaf.

A super-weak solution of fert would probably be good.

Sometimes they are just SLOW...
begoniacrazii
Northern California, CA
(Zone 9a)

April 29, 2006
7:59 PM

Post #2233381

Another thing that may be contributing is our weather. We literally had two full months of rain with only a few days of sunshine. Just the last 8 days or so have been sunny. My bedroom where these have been growing says rather cool even though it has the best light in the house. So night temps in the 40's and day temps in the 50's to 60's could likely be the culprit. Many of the AV's have tight centers and are only just now starting to normalize. It's not the ideal environment, but it is the best I have short of putting in central air and heat (not likely to happen in my lifetime LOL)

Yesterday after moving them up, I brought them out to my playhouse which I keep heated with a space heater. It stays at least 68 an higher and I have one of those mini indoor greenhouses that I could use, but I am trying to keep it as an 'isolation' place for new AV's and gessies.

I'll keep it covered for a few more days and then take the lid off slowly, allow them to acclimate and then start with some weak fertilizer.
I forgot to mention that the ones with the red asterisk were just taken out of the rectangle tray and put into cups, the others were the one's from 3/16

thanks for the advise gals! Looks like I had about 100% take on the seeds I sure hope they get big and flower so I can pass them along to the gessie junkies in this forum!

ok, back to the garden... have to fix the irrigation lines that Miss Sophia chewed last fall! Grrrr.
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 3, 2007
2:23 AM

Post #3567787

bumping up this thread - I think this has the most seed-growing info. Mostly the same drill for the other gessies too.
MsCritterkeeper
The Heart of Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 3, 2007
2:26 AM

Post #3567803

Oh good!
I found the small packets of seeds...Vampires Kiss ( red)and Inky fingers ( nice purple)it was such a good grower for me too...
Let me go email Amy...

MsC
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
11:21 AM

Post #3568735

Thanks for finding this, Ki. I looked for a few minutes last night, but didn't have time to continue the search til I found it. I'll point Lin this way so she doesn't miss it. Think I'll read back through it to refresh my pitiful memory as well.

I believe these are the same seeds you sent me, are they not? White x K(something, something) purple? I have had one to bloom. It looked almost identical to Midas, I think it was. And several have buds on them now. Looks like one is going to be white. They'd have bloomed ages ago if I'd repotted and kept them watered like I should. I'm embarrassed to tell you that several are still growing all together in the same pot they were sown in. I promise to do better in the future... LOL And by future, I mean starting in a few minutes...here's a picture and as you can see, they need to be watered (and we won't even discuss repotting). I'll do that first thing today. :oP After looking at them when I took the picture, I think they all have buds. What do you do with the ones you don't care so much for? Trash them, give them away... You may have already mentioned that in this thread, but I haven't reread it yet. Now that they're this far along, I think I'll see how they bloom before I repot. But notice, the ones all crammed together are larger than the ones potted individually. How'd that happen? They were all sown the same day.

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RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
2:13 PM

Post #3569113

Look who decided to open up today! Looks like it's going to be very similar to the white one you posted above. Two buds on the stem, the second should be a few days behind this one in opening up. I'll get a shot when it's fully open, but I love to take progressive pics. :o)

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gessiegail
Taft, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 3, 2007
2:27 PM

Post #3569162

yes, this thread needs to stay bumped up...I have never grown streps from seed...now I want to...maybe better luck than trying to multiply using leaves...
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
2:36 PM

Post #3569190

I'm still quite new at hybridizing, so I certainly don't understand all the ins and outs, but the thing is, when you put down a leaf of, for instance, 'Cherry Pie', the plants that grow from it will be 'Cherry Pie', same genetic material as the mother plant you took the leaf from. When you plant seeds of 'Cherry Pie' x self (meaning it was pollinated with pollen from itself), then you will get a variety of blooms, leaf sizes and textures, etc. If you're trying to grow a specific cultivar of Strep, then you can only do that by division or leaf. You'll get lots of plants from seeds, but they won't be identical to the mother plant.

Now, those of you who know way more about this than me, if any part of that is incorrect in any way, please jump in, slap my hand, and correct me! LOL
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 3, 2007
3:47 PM

Post #3569445

hey Amy, you know you're right!

and right as well on the whitexKRB seeds - they are probably the same as the ones I sent you. I kept one that was white, but with better characteristics than the white parent - bigger flowers, more than one open at a time, and it grew faster. I've since lost the plant though - I think I may have actually culled it. I've done a couple of major overhauls of plant inventory since...

I also find that the seedlings potted together in compots grow faster than the ones put in individual pots. It's not just that they bloom faster but the foliage also grows faster. I pot every type of seedling into compots. The first ones to move out are the non-micro sinningias as the tubers need clear room to grow, and it's just difficult to keep them evenly spaced in compots after a while. Everything else stays in compot form for as long as I can get away with it...
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
4:09 PM

Post #3569497

Oh good! I sure was hoping I was telling Gail correctly. I think part of the fun of growing from seed is that you never know what you'll get.

I really like this white one and will probably keep it. The bold, contrasting stripes in the throat are very pleasing to my eye. I know I won't keep them all, due to space limitations, but I won't cull any til I've seen them all bloom and decide what I like and what I don't. Since you've given your blessing on compots, there they'll stay til I have picked my favorites. Now I don't feel nearly so bad about it! LOL Would you like to see the rest as they continue to bloom? I really need to start a Flickr account one day...
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 3, 2007
4:45 PM

Post #3569595

don't forget to tag the plants as they bloom so you know what's what. Blue and white string, and another for a "best pick" perhaps? Or number them and take pics and note comments - two flowers open at once, flower smaller etc etc.

I'm just curious to hear if your results are similar to mine. I see that I noted (I don't remember any more, of course) that I even had one with 3 flowers open on one stem.
Apr 17, 2006, 9:09 PM

If I had the space, I would have put the rest in a group pot and grown them as an annual outside for the rest of the season.
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
5:18 PM

Post #3569700

I like the string idea. Thanks for reminding me to mark and take notes. I see you noted thicker petals on one of them. I've never paid any real attention to petal thickness, so that characteristic would be more subjective for me. Otherwise, color, number of buds per stem, number of flowers open at once, flower size, leaf shape and size, growth rate (though I've completely messed that up from the beginning) - anything else I need to take particular notice of? This is fun! Recall my saying I'm a science nerd? LOL
Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 3, 2007
6:32 PM

Post #3569880

Quoting:growth rate (though I've completely messed that up from the beginning)

I don't think you have..? I like to keep ones that grow best in my care, not the ones that would grow best in someone else's excellent care...

As a general comment, second blooms can be different/better than the first round, so if these were real potential new hybrids, you would want to cull conservatively and grow them on some more.
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 3, 2007
10:52 PM

Post #3570614

Oh yes, they're probably almost a year old now, and just now coming into bloom. Yours bloomed at 4 months, I believe you said. It's my fault, though, not a flaw in the seedlings. Not enough water or food, I'm certain.

I'll continue to keep an eye on them for a while, then, regarding the second blooms. I did notice on 'Kitten Face' that the number of blooms per stem really increased with the second and subsequent bloomings. Color, I would assume, doesn't really change much, does it? Perhaps slightly darker or more vivid, but still quite close to the first blooms?
gessiegail
Taft, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 3, 2007
11:54 PM

Post #3570871

If I learned nothing else from this thread I have learned:

as much as it is a pain in the behind to change soil often, I know it is true!!! To hear a veteran grower say it confirms what my suspicions have been...

She also confirmed what i was beginning to learn...that plants kept watered regularly tend not to be burned by over fertilizing in the spring and summer...

thanks everyone!!!! Ki, you are simply amazing!! and helpful to boot!!!!
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 9, 2007
2:40 PM

Post #3594619

I've been studying this seedling for a few days now, and as much as I like the bloom, I think the flower stalk is too short. With them planted all together, it's hard to get a good picture of it, but you can see that the one to the right is taller, and doesn't even have buds open yet. I know you said something about short flower stalks at one point. Is this genetic or cultural?

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Keyring
DC metro, VA
(Zone 7b)

June 9, 2007
2:47 PM

Post #3594655

it can be genetic, of course, but someone told me that on streps it's a symptom of being too root bound, or inconsistent watering (no, don't comment... lol). Now, I don't know if my source is correct, as she was just repeating what she heard.
RainGazer
Southeast, TN
(Zone 7a)

June 9, 2007
2:52 PM

Post #3594668

Inconsistent watering..well, nevermind then. LOL I'll try to do better and see how the next round goes. I don't know if it would be rootbound or not. In that pan pot with all the others, it might be, but then again, the one next to it is taller, and clearly it's in the same situation as this one. But if they stay that short, I don't like it.

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