I have two plumies in huge pots. can I plant annuals around the base, or will that be too stressful on plumie. I just hate to waste planting space, which enables me to play with annuals. thanks for your help
Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree with my friends here, but the size of the container, I think, makes all the difference. Since you mention "huge pots," then you probably should plant annuals because a plumeria in a huge pot with unused soil by the roots can cause drainage problems and bacteria buildup, but planting annuals in that unused soil will fix that problem because their roots will absorb the water.
Plumeria roots tend to be fragile, especially the feeder roots which are often near the surface as well as below, so as the plumeria grows, the roots of the annuals and the roots of the plumeria may intermingle and could get broken when you pull out the annuals. Will you be pulling out the plumeria at the end of the summer, or will you keep them in their containers? If you keep them in their containers, the decaying roots of the annuals could cause problems for the roots of the plumeria as bacteria sets in.
Perhaps I am over-cautious, but it is not something that I would do unless it was a type of ground cover or succulent that had roots which used very little soil, but that being said, I also wouldn't overplant a plumeria since they are so sensitive to root rot and drainage problems. When I repot, I go from a one-gallon container to a three- or five-gallon container to a seven- or ten-gallon container to a fifteen-gallon container to a 25-gallon container, and I don't transplant until the tree is rootbound in its current container. Each time I replant, the roots have about two to three inches of soil to grow into.
Again, I'm probably just being over-cautious and underplanting them will work out fine. Let us know!
hmmmm. I would say the plumies are in 25 gal containers. I put the on casters so I will be rolling the whole thing when needed. would you believe we only had a week in the lo 30s and that's it for winter so far? so I haven't brought those plumies in. During our "cold spell" I just covered them with a huge tarp. the smaller plants, which are in 5 gal or small I did bring in to a protected area and the have been in there since late Nov.
Looks like maybe I should just sit potted plants around the plumie to avoid any root disturbance.
Nery, sitting potted plants on top of the soil will work well! A 25-gallon container is fairly big. How big is the root system and what size pot did the plant come from and how long has it been in that container? If it went from a 15-gallon to a 25-gallon, there probably isn't that much free space for annuals. It has been an especially warm winter here too! I love it!
[quote]Perhaps I am over-cautious, but it is not something that I would do unless it was a type of ground cover or succulent that had roots which used very little soil, but that being said, I also wouldn't overplant a plumeria since they are so sensitive to root rot and drainage problems. When I repot, I go from a one-gallon container to a three- or five-gallon container to a seven- or ten-gallon container to a fifteen-gallon container to a 25-gallon container, and I don't transplant until the tree is rootbound in its current container. Each time I replant, the roots have about two to three inches of soil to grow into.[/quote]
Clare, I just asked that question in another thread - thanks for answer!
How about some trailing succulents or groundcover in those curved pots they make to go around an umbrella pole or the like? I've seen some pretty terra cotta ones. Depends on your pot of course, but it's another idea.
well, I'm embarrased to say I didn't heed anybody's advice and went ahead and underplanted my potted plumies with portulaca, aka moss rose. It appears that in keeping my plumie watered, I provided too much water for the moss rose. They died and I pulled them out, (Lord who kills portulaca???). Lucky for me, doesn't look like my plumies suffered.
However, I promise to be wiser this year and just underplant w/ potted annuals. Any suggestions? I have some 4 oclock seeds I could use, should be safe if they're pot grown, right?.
Hi Nery! The great thing about this place is that you can read other people's advice and then make your own decisions! I give advice just based on my own experience in my own climate and always try to make the disclaimer that I could be wrong. I never want to appear to be an expert because I am not -- not by a long shot.
If you must plant beneath a plumeria, I would recommend nasturtums, alyssum, or anything with very shallow roots so that the plumeria roots don't have to compete for space, nutrients, and water. If I were you, I would not plant 4 o'clock seeds in with the plumeria. Mirabilis jalapa have huge tuberous roots in time and will compete big time with your plumie. They also self-seed like crazy.
Good idea..I'm an underplanting beliver...I hate the bare look.. I find in mine... picking the similar water acceptance is some what a consideration...what ends up being the most affecting influence ..for me...is the amount of sun the understory plants willl enjoy.. as mine are already so underpotted.. to keep it all a bit faster in cycleing from wet to dry.. [andso Icancarry htem on my sholder up the ladder.. and through the small hatch]... Many of my under planting attempts start off great in the spring...but soon ...as the canopy fills out and in.. it blocks so much of the sun ..making the understory quite small weak and unhappy...and then subject more to water issues than they might be...
Philodendrums and ivy I find are happy..although not much for flowers and I've had some luck with some of the flowering vines.. but you have to keep them pinched down out of the plumerias canopy ...somewhat..but they do provide some branch support and anchoring in high winds..as the vines grow from branch to branch.. then perhaps to another plumeria or other anchoring support of something near by.. Bocca.. a personal favorite here starts out great.. but then gets needing more light.. although moving the big pot about will help with the light issues..
underplanting/light problems... are like the potted plumerias in th rain... although it might have rained heavily... that doesn't mean much if any water actually fell into the pot... keep up the expermentation though..
Gee..love the temperature reports... sounds like a borderline ideal location there for them...most everywhere else if that close to perfect..seems to fall just on the otherside of ideal..this year anyway.. all the best... Gordon
Thanks Gordon. I have lots of philo cuttings that I'm presently trying to root. I might use that in one of my pots. If it turns out it is robbing plumie of water, I won't feel too guilty about yanking it out.
Hi Nery! Plumies love water, especially with your heat, so don't be afraid to water them well as long as drainage is good. They are now competing for food and water with the other plants so I would water more frequently if they were mine. Don't forget to fertilize regularly for blooms! They do look pretty!