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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 3, 2006
9:35 PM

Post #2020292

Hi, everybody--

I've been busy googling and planning our Butterfly and Hummingbird gardens and I wanted to share this OSU Extension Fact Sheet

http://ohioline.osu.edu/w-fact/0012.html

Listing common butterflies for our area, different attractant plants, a list of invasive plants, and some other good info links.

If you have a butterfly 'fact sheet' from your state's extension (or similar) it may be helpful to others to post it.

I noticed on the Ohio 'fact sheet' it listed several common butterfly plants that I had no idea were considered 'invasives'. I didn't know that the 'daylily' was an 'invasive', for instance. That surprised me.

I'm interested to know more about this?!



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rox_male
Athens, OH

February 3, 2006
11:57 PM

Post #2020643

I definitely had HUGE issues with Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica) in NC. I am not sure if it is as invasive in OH.


My neighbors did see significant clump growth around their Hesperis but not the huge seed disperal type of invasions like verbena bonarensis (That plant travels!!!)

I know that the common ditch Day Lily (Hemerocallis fulva) can spread from the garden into surrounding woods, so try to keep it in check.

I have never even had my Butterfly Bush (Buddleia davidii) drop viable seeds and have babies.

ROX
flowerlou
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2006
1:24 AM

Post #2020843

Tabasco, thanks for posting the link, useful stuff for me.. have to totally start over after moving...flowerlou
BloomsWithaView
Moab, UT
(Zone 6b)

February 4, 2006
4:00 AM

Post #2021349

I have Virginia Creeper appearing throughout my perennial bed... I guess the birds brought it from some neighbors fence. It is endemic in Moab. Because it survives. wherever there is water. So it invades other folks' gardens [or your own] but not the desert in general.

to add: I am an admitted novice at the 'putor world, but just googled Utah Butterflies and may be among the missing for awhile... dunh ~Blooms


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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2006
12:37 PM

Post #2021603


These are the ten invasive plants to avoid listed in the OSU Hummingbird/butterfly Garden Fact Sheet for our area (and I would assume much of the ORV region. But perhaps, not?)

Bush Honeysuckle (Lonicera species)
Privet (Ligustrum vulgare)
Asian Bittersweet (Celastrus orbiculatus)
Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense)
Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica)
Queen Anne’s Lace (Daucus carota)
Dames Rocket (Hesperis matronalis)
Day Lily (Hemerocallis fulva)
Butterfly Bush (Buddleia davidii)
Lantana (Lantana camara)

Buddleia, for instance, is quite popular here as a butterfly attractant and is listed as invasive, yet, I can hardly get mine to grow in my garden!

I certainly understand about some of the others. Japanese Honeysuckle is a pesky menace. That I know.

flowerlou-- are you starting anything from seed? any wintersowing? I am starting milkweeds, cardinal creeper, cypress vines, ipomeoas, hollyhocks, etc., etc., for the birds and butterflies and having fun doing it. t.

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2006
1:35 PM

Post #2021701

I am by no means even remotely an expert on butterflies, but the if idea behind the effort is to conserve the species by providing them habitat in the form of garden plants, then Tabasco is starting down an excellent path with the link and list above. I posted on a different thread in the Wildlife forum along these lines.

VV wrote:
[quote]$0.02 added here.

I appreciate all the work that's obviously gone into collecting the plants mentioned above, which obviously are bringing in birds and butterflies (photo-doc'd and all). However, some of where terryr (aka Terrier, Wild Raisin) is going is...what about incorporating more plants that originated with the local insects and birds? Long term, that's a great way to go.

Think of it along the lines of: bright advertisements to get the "shoppers" in the door (non-natives like Japanese beautyberry, mimosa, and butterflybush). Once you've got their attention, get the local natives entrenched that provide for more of the participants' lifecycle (like nesting sites, larval food, high-quality fruit forage, etc.) than the glitterati. Aim to gradually reduce/eliminate the non-natives (esp. the ones with proven/potential invasiveness FOR YOUR AREA (always learn about this stuff so you aren't inadvertently wiping out those things you are trying to enhance and protect) so that you make an example of the success of this philosophy to others who need some motivation.

And best of all: continue to bring the discussion and experiences here, for more to benefit from.[/quote]

The whole thread link: http://davesgarden.com/place/t/571590/

There is absolutely no doubt that the short list in Tabasco's post above will all attract birds and butterflies...but at what other expense?

I post here to engage some discussion and consideration. I don't think this train of thought is necessarily new, either, if anyone tours other forums about the associated fauna. The hummingbirds and the butterflies (as well as a host of other interesting indigenous insects) have been around a long time, and developed a favored (dare I say required) behavior pattern associated with their surroundings. It never used to include the 10 plants listed above. It did include a lot of other plants that few people bother to consider, most of them more vital to the bird/insect survival strategies.

Before I climb off the soapbox and into a pulpit...this isn't meant to be preachy. Few here are willing to give up their favorite garden plants, often the most showy things going (I've seen the pics!), in favor of solely native plants. I only ask that folks think about the off-site consequences and realize that there are novel ways to still "have your birds/butterflies" AND a stimulating landscape. Often, it is as easy as planting the native counterpart to the non-native (and sometimes invasive) plant that is just more common.

Some quick examples, just amongst the woodies:

Lonicera sempervirens instead of Lonicera japonica
Celastrus scandens instead of Celastrus orbiculatus
Aesculus, Lindera, Ptelea, Viburnum, Zanthoxylum host-specific shrubs instead of Lonicera maackii, Rhamnus, Buddleia

You'll have plants that no one else around has, much less recognizes. See the Giant Swallowtail larvae on Zanthoxylum americanum, looking for all the world like bird poop?

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2006
1:50 PM

Post #2021731


VV thank you for offering some alternatives to the well known BF and HB plants.
bluegrassmom
Lewisburg, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2006
6:05 PM

Post #2022314

I love both hummingbirds and butterflies. They are fun to photograph too.
The native daylily does spread, but rather slowly. I notice that hummers like my Red Volunteer daylilies.

Please post when you first see a ruby throat. I cannot wait until they are back. I keep one feeder on my kitchen window sill. It is usually the first week of April when they arrive here.
Teresa
flowerlou
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2006
6:26 PM

Post #2022352

Tabasco, thanks so much for posting the link, I am just today starting to plan our new butterfly and hummer garden at our new house,,, this was perfect timing, THANKS, flowerlou
greenthumb_NC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

February 5, 2006
10:22 PM

Post #2025000

I have a link for Invasive Plants of Ohio ... http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/dnap/invasive/

A publication that I have from the county extension office is called Identifying Noxious Weeds of Ohio. As of October 1998, Ohio's 14 noxious weeds are:
Wild Mustard
Musk Thistle (Nodding Thistle)
Oxeye Daisy
Canada Thistle
Poison Hemlock
Wild Carrot (Queen Anne's Lace)
Purple Loosestrife (all of its cultivars are included)
Wild Parsnip
Mile-a-Minute-Weed
Russian Thistle
Cressleaf Groundsel
Shattercane
Johnsongrass
Grapevines (abandoned)

Hope no one is cultivating "these bad boys"!!!!

Karin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 5, 2006
10:42 PM

Post #2025039


Well, I and my butterflies like that Purple Loosestrife, but I guess it's a 'no-no'. I thought some of the new cultivars were non spreaders...
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 6, 2006
2:07 PM

Post #2026185

I researched a little more on Ohio Butterflies--

Here's the link for the Ohio Lepidopterists Society

http://www.ohiolepidopterists.org/bflymonitoring/species/photos.htm

and this good summation of how to create a BF garden with local plant recommendations:

http://home.woh.rr.com/billkrisjohnson/Garden/Butterflies.htm

dispatcher1
Seymour, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 6, 2006
10:27 PM

Post #2027073

The" by far winner" of the butterfly vote is the Mexican sunflower around here. It blooms bright orange and they love it. The yellow finches also love it and eat the small seeds before they dry . I grow it just for them. It's not the greatest cut flower but it is worth the growing just to watch the butterflies and birds on it. The Hummers favorite is the scarlet beebalm . They love the scarlet honeysuckle also , but you might find it invasive. It has no scent like regular honeysuckle, but the hummers guard it steadfastly and don't let the others near it.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 6, 2006
11:32 PM

Post #2027182


Lou, what kinds of butterflies do you get on the Mexican Sunflower?
rox_male
Athens, OH

February 7, 2006
1:03 AM

Post #2027392

Do have/want Monarchs... if so...

We plant lots of butterfly weed (asclepias) and we attract several monarchs each year.
If you have children, it is especially wonderful to follow the cycle as they lay their eggs, caterpillars hatch out, eat and form their chrysalis and then fly away.

The great thing is that this all happens on or near (they often form their chrysalis on a nearby tree) the butterfly weed.

ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 7, 2006
1:39 AM

Post #2027472


If you like Monarchs (and who doesn't?!) you may want to know about the Monarch Waystation Certification Program

http://www.monarchwatch.org/ws/certify.html

A number of DGers have had their properties certified. It's kind of a fun project especially for the kids.

http://davesgarden.com/place/t/522501/
dispatcher1
Seymour, IN
(Zone 5b)

February 7, 2006
11:07 AM

Post #2028130

We get Monarchs, Swallowtails and lots of little white and yellow ones that I don't know the names of. If they are here, they love the Mexican Sunflowers. Lou
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 7, 2006
9:33 PM

Post #2029217

My biggest (literally) hummer/butterfly magnet was my mimosa tree. It got huge, but I had to have it removed last fall due to carpenter ant damage. It is also considered invasive in some areas

Karen
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 7, 2006
10:46 PM

Post #2029380


Thanks, Lou. I bought two packs of Tithonia to plant out so I am looking for some fine results.

kqcrna-- Interesting about your Mimosa tree... did you find it a trouble in your yard? Seems like here it wouldn't be invasive, but I'll have to check on that.

BTW, I found this Ohio DNR site with (nice) pictures of some of the wildflowers around here

http://www.ohiodnr.com/dnap/summer/default.htm

Many of which attract butterflies I think. I had Ohio Spiderwort, Northern Blazing Star and Cardinal Flower in the garden last year. Maybe it will come back.

I am sure there must be a better wildflower site from another ORV state?
Or perhaps we have a rather measley range of native flowers?

greenthumb_NC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

February 8, 2006
11:40 AM

Post #2030377

These are sites you can use for reference about OHIO wildflowers. It gives us a little more to work with.

(1) http://data2action.com/wildflowers/
(2) http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/spring/
(3) http://www.ohiodnr.com/publications/wildflowers.htm

Karin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
greenthumb_NC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

February 8, 2006
11:57 AM

Post #2030394

These are sites you can use for reference about KENTUCKY wildflowers. It gives us a little more to work with.

(1) http://www.kywildflowers.info/
(2) http://knps.org/Wildflowers/

Karin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

greenthumb_NC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

February 8, 2006
12:02 PM

Post #2030400

This is a site you can use for reference about WEST VIRGINIA wildflowers.

(1) http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/hortcult/flowers/wldflwrs.htm

Karin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
greenthumb_NC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

February 8, 2006
12:16 PM

Post #2030417

Here are some links to INDIANA wildflowers.

(1) http://www.usi.edu/science/biology/TwinSwamps/Wildflowers_of_Twin_Swamps.htm
(2) http://www.butler.edu/herbarium/wildflowers/wildflowers.html

Karin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 8, 2006
12:56 PM

Post #2030462

My mimosa did reseed prolifically but I just pulled the babies when small. If left to grow much over a foot the taproot is a killer to remove. I have only seen a few mimosas in the whole west side of town, though, and seldom see many in Ohio.

I have a question about the Lantana camara. Most lantana is tropical and , I thought, propagated by cuttings rather than seed. I had a lantana that looked just like that picture and the nursery tag just said "lantana landmark". Is this the same as Lantana camara? I am just surprized that a tropical could be invasive in zone 6. (This is where my lack of knowledge of botanical names comes into play). Can anyone clarify?

Karen

Karen
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 8, 2006
2:49 PM

Post #2030669

I think your Landmark Lantana is a product of Ball Seed

http://www.simplybeautifulgardens.com/plant_info.aspx?phid=036903367009970

and has been trialed by the University of Georgia http://ugatrial.hort.uga.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=1309

and seems polite enough for the garden. http://davesgarden.com/pf/adv_search.php?searcher[common]=&searcher[family]=Verbenaceae&searcher[genus]=Lantana&searcher[species]=&searcher[cultivar]=&searcher[hybridizer]=&Search=Search&offset=0

I can't say for sure, but I think the 'lantana camara' listed with invasives is probably the wild species lantana. Floridata not to dig that in the wild and bring it into your garden.

kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 8, 2006
6:22 PM

Post #2030963

thanks, tabasco.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 12, 2006
5:28 PM

Post #2040340



Concerning butterflies in Central Ohio-- here's a link for the Butterfly Walk Monitoring Project around Columbus

http://www.columbusaudubon.org/calamus/butterfly.html

and a list of Columbus Audubon's other activities coming up

http://www.columbusaudubon.org

tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 17, 2006
1:29 PM

Post #2050935

Greenthumb-- just went back to your posts and checked out all the Links. Very interesting about the wildflowers in our area.

I wonder if there is a SouthWest Wildflower Society, something like the one in the North East? Does anyone know?

I found this interesting list and source for Native Butterfly and Bird Garden plants/seeds/advice.

http://envirotechcon.com/collections.html

This message was edited Aug 1, 2006 4:54 PM
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

February 23, 2006
4:12 PM

Post #2065780

I had never seen Mimosa much north of 275.
It is at the end of it's range here.
Never saw one in Dayton or even Middletown.
Ours gets a dieback every 5 years or so.
It for sure is a Hummer and Butterfly magnet.

We find seedlings every Spring and just pull them out.
FAR less trouble than the heliocopter flown Maples.
If the birds are eating the Mimosa seed here I've never seen it happen.
Most of the volunteers are w/in 20' of the drip line.
Our tree is over 20' tall and at least that wide.

t if you want some let me know.
I have seeds still on the tree that obviously have been winterized.
I'm sure in a few weeks I'll have seedlings popping up in the pots under ours too. lol

Ric
elderberryjam
Bellaire, OH
(Zone 5b)

March 23, 2006
9:27 AM

Post #2132496

There are several of these invasives that I can't keep because my goats occaisionally get out, and they are preferred food for goats - namely daylilly and grape vines (domestic). We are in the process of raising our grape harbor. They have plenty of wild grapes still in their pasture to munch on.

One thing they do not seem to like is milkweed. My mother kept a patch by the back patio. When I moved here, I pulled a lot of it up because I thought it was ugly. But then I missed the monarch butterflies. I let it grow back, and they came back.

I am suprised that ironweed is not considered invasive. There sure is plenty of it, and goldenrod, and jewelweed! Maybe I will let that grow by the back patio too, and forget about trying to grow something else there...
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2006
3:00 AM

Post #2156667

Hey!

http://www.hummingbirds.net/map-migration.html

Did you notice someone reported seeing a Ruby throated on April 1 somewhere around Cincinnati?!

Awfully early!

Be sure to let us know when you see your first!

elderberryjam
Bellaire, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2006
8:22 AM

Post #2157123

I saw an orange butterfly out in the woods two days ago (March 31st)! I was really suprised, because it was the first really warm day we've had. We were out fixing fence. I didn't get a close enough look to see what kind it was though.
flowerlou
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2006
1:44 AM

Post #2188357

Hi Tabasco, I did notice on the map,,, I put my feeder out day before yesterday,,, none sited yet though,,, cant wait. Will be adding at least two more feeders this year. Last year mid summer was my first time with a hummingbird feeder and I had a blast with my 5 y.o. . So much fun, I have it hung with suction cups low on our glass door so she can see close up... really cool. Now my son is 20 months old so I had to hang it higher, (he was grabbing it outside spilling it). It should be even more fun this summer. We live in Wyoming , you are in Anderson?
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 18, 2006
7:09 PM

Post #2200488

Yes, we're in Anderson bordering Woodland Mound Park. If you are over in this direction please let me know. I am always passing through Wyoming--what a pretty area with pretty homes and gardens.

My son saw a hummingbird Saturday and then another Sunday so they are definitely around. I haven't had time to watch my feeder much, but we should get lucky soon.

Last year we had lots of hummingbirds but I didn't notice them until May but it was still fun, fun, fun. I am sending Hummingbird feeders out as birthday presents to my sisters with small children so they can enjoy too. (My son is 24, but he still gets a kick out of them!)
this will be the first year for a window HB feeder at our house.

BTW An ORV gardener spotted an swallowtail butterfly in their garden this week (saw it on another thread). That is pretty early--and I wonder if it's the sort of BF that winters over in the woodpiles and so on...I will have to research

that.http://www.naba.org/images/papilionidae/papilionidae.html

I am trying to get my BF vines growing from seed, but not having a lot of luck. Will try again.

http://www.butterflyshow.com/

And don't miss the butterfly show at the Krohn Conservatory, especially if you have small children...



flowerlou
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2006
1:27 AM

Post #2201280

Hi Tabasco,, HB feeders are a great idea for presents..I think once you experience the little guys, you are hooked! I bought my feeder from Wild Bird's Unlimited,, but kind of feel I spent toooooo much there. I am going to puts fresh nectar in mine tonight, and hope to see one soon. No butterflies yet,,, just the little white moths. I dont know alot about butterflies, just have enjoyed them in my garden at my old house. I have a mess here at our "new old house" in Wyoming. We have a great lot,, just very neglected, and neglected house. DH is a contractor,, so that is good, and bad,,(can be toooo tired to work on his own house,,, i.e. the cobbler's kid's had no shoes, lol).
Between the deer , the multitude of birds, and Owl family, raccoons, etc., etc... my husband says we live in a ZOO!!!! LOL.
The other evening a neighbor cat was walking through our yard while DH was grilling dinner,, along came 5 deer and one was following the cat,and acting like they were buddies???? Dh thought it was the wildest thing he ever saw,, it apparantly went on for quite some time.
I miss my old home, I miss my garden and greenhouse. We moved here for the schools, and do really like the area.. always have.
well too much rambling,, hope to meet you at the RU.
You seem so knowledgable,,, and a lot of fun, :)
have a great rest of the week, and if you got any deer help suggestions for my garden/yard,, would surely appreciate it! thanks! Mary Lou, Flowerlou.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2006
11:01 AM

Post #2202035

Marylou--by the way, there is another DG poster from Wyoming, too. kcqrna, I believe. To find her look over on the Wintersowing forum where she is quite active.

We have lots of trouble with deer, too. You asked about effective remedies, and I have to say the 'controlled shoot' they had last winter in the park seemed to work pretty well, although rather drastic and made us all sad!

Other than that, I found 'Deer Scram', recommended to me by some members of the Cincy Hemerocallis and Hosta Society, pretty effective. Just sprinkle it around your most attractive plants and/or where the deer enter the yard...one dose in the fall worked for most of the winter and i should have done it again in late winter but forgot.

I am dosing the garden again this week to try to keep them away from my emerging lilies...they say to alternate different deer repellents to keep them guessing...

The 'deer scram' worked wonders with keeping the millions of squirrels out of the yard and away from the bird feeders this winter, too. Expensive stuff, but we saved that much on bird feed.

I am still watching for hummingbirds in my garden--I know they are around--but they don't seem too interested in my feeder set-up yet. Someone said to spread a red table cloth out by your feeders, but I think my neighbors would have apoplexy!

My hummingbird/butterfly plant order from Bluestone Perennials came yesterday. And my 'Wintersowed' seeds are coming along nicely, so I am looking for a great BF garden this spring.

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elderberryjam
Bellaire, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2006
1:13 PM

Post #2202259

Tabasco, we have around 15 goats, 6 sheep and a llama, and sometimes the deer are grazing in the pasture right alongside my animals. This is troubling because the deer carry diseases and parasites I don't want my animals to get. I got hissed at by two very large deer a few days ago. They were on the other side of some brush. They didn't run until we came into full view, and then, not very fast. I think deer are smarter than given credit for, and differentiate between farmers and hunters.

The goats are more of a concern to my garden than deer are at this point. Contrary to popular belief, they don't eat "everything." But they have been a problem with the grape vines and the berries I am trying to propogate - those are two of their favorite foods. We will most likely fence our garden in this year. No hummingbirds yet; and the only other butterflies I've seen have been the little ones. I'd like to put out some HB nectar in the next few days. My 14 y/o daughter has expressed some interest in raising butterflies. I heard an NPR show where a woman said she made $95/dozen and up selling them to people having weddings and even funerals. She had quite a business going. I doubt my DD will be that ambitious, but it will be a fun project.
moonlit
Southwest, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2006
3:30 AM

Post #2228783

I just came upon this very interesting thread. I have a butterfly and bird garden. I grow host plants as well as nectar plants. And berry plants. For the butterflies, I also have a clay pot saucer filled with sand that I try to keep moist for the butterflies. They like to perch on it. During the summer, I will take a banana sliced lengthwise and/or orange and place it out for a few hours or so and it attracts a lot of butterflies.

I just recently returned from Florida where I visited Butterfly world and they had bananas too out for the butterflies. I also brought back some butterfly nectar plants from there.

Fennel is a great butterfly host plant too. Here is a picture of some cats (caterpillars) on the fennel in my herb garden.

I get lots of swallowtails, monarchs, skippers,etc. As well as some crazy looking caterpillars. I try to take pictures of them all and put their picture on my website.
LOL! if they enter my yard they get their mugshot taken and posted. In fact I need to put more pictures left from last year.

I also have a moongarden which attracts some neat moths. The flowers are all white and open after sunset and are pollinated by moths and sometimes even bats. Sphinx moth, Hummingbird moth and Luna moth are some of the larger moths attracted to the flowers. By the way if you can stand it, poison ivy is a great host plant for the Luna Moth. The Luna Moth is one of the most beautiful moths in the world. It is unlike any moth.


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rox_male
Athens, OH

June 9, 2006
1:41 AM

Post #2368574

Tabsco-
I had the most amazing time yesterday. I was out in the garden and there was this hummingbird buzzing in and out of my digitalis lutea. I took its time feeding for several minutes. What a site.

If you ever want any of this foxglove, let me know. It can be picky, but once it decides it likes where it is it does extremely well. It is more rigid (leaves and stem) than othe digital and is a perennial not a biennial. The flowers are smaller but there are many more of them than other species.

ROX

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 20, 2006
1:47 AM

Post #2410409

moonlit-- you have some wonderful pics of butterflies in your garden. Thanks for posting. And thanks for reminding me about the fennel. Mine seems to have gone away and I will have to pick up some from the nursery.

Thank you, rox, for the pic of the digitalis lutea...I am not familiar with your interesting digitalis , although I just looked it up on google and it said it was a shade plant. Do you have yours in shade? It might be a good candidate for my back yard shade plantings...I suppose the deer don't care for it?

I have several digitalis from my wintersowing project, but of course I lost the labels and don't know what is what, and anyway, none are blooming, and probably won't, I guess, yet this year.

I just got back from our vacation in CA and will have to refill my HB feeders and put out some ripened bananas for the BFs tomorrow. I read on another thread a recipe for some really (nasty) tasty butterfly snack/potion made from guiness stout (only the best for my butterflies), manure/compost, bananas, etc. mixture that I want to try. I saw ten butterflies around my garden this morning--but none were too interesting. (Am I getting to be a butterfly snob?!).

rox_male
Athens, OH

June 20, 2006
3:16 AM

Post #2410803

Tabasco-
I have this digitalis all over: sun, part shade and shade. I think that it actually does best for me in sun or part sun but it blooms in shade. The deer do not like it at all. Remind me and I'll send some out to those who want it later this summer.

Question. Have you (or anyone else) ever made a butterfly puddle? The butterflies seem to really like the graden after I have watered. Swallowtails and monarchs. I would like to get some advice on how to set up a more permanent water feature for them if you think they would like it.

I love to see the unusual butterflies too. I especially love commas. I would what they eat?

ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 20, 2006
12:51 PM

Post #2411660

ROX--here's an interesting thread about Butterfly puddles--

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/452280/

I haven't made a 'formal' butterfly puddle, but I do have a big sunny rock where I place soft bananas and sometimes I put out watermelon flavored gatorade that they seem to love (a lot) in a makeshift bird bath arrangement. I am going to mix up a potion today and see what action I get. (I noticed my milkweed tuberosa is blooming, too.)


And here's a very good website about Butterflies of Washington County, Ohio (around Marietta, I think) that lists local species. http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/butter/butter.html that are probably visiting most gardens in the ORV.

It says that Eastern Commas like nettles, hops and elm. (I don't have any of those in my yard.)

tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 1, 2006
9:02 PM

Post #2575795

Hello, again, everyone!

I spent some time this afternoon out in the garden trying to identify several butterflies and came in to google around for them and this thread came up!

So I read through it and of course wondered how everyone's butterfly gardens were doing and if you've had any visitors?

Please let us know what is going on in your garden! I am interested particularly in the swallowtails (and of course Monarchs).

When I googled the new Holden Butterfly Garden in the Arboretum at Kirtland, Ohio came up too. Looks very interesting.

http://www.lakevisit.com/articles/articles_05.html

And the butterfly exhibit at the Franklin Park and Conservatory in Columbus is going on this month. I visited last week and it was fascinating.

http://www.ourohio.org/misc/html_misc/feat_arch/2006/fe_06_08_06.php


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rox_male
Athens, OH

August 1, 2006
11:36 PM

Post #2576349

The verbena bonariensis seems to be the big hit with the Monarchs this month.
The swallowtails (sometimes more than 8 at once) tend to swarm the butterly bush.
Also have lots of Great Spangled Fritillary.
ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 2, 2006
10:48 AM

Post #2577857

Hi, Rox--

Eight swallowtails at once is pretty spectacular! You must have some very attractive host plants nearby?! Willows? Parslies? Let's see, what else?

Yes, I may as well have just planted my verbena bonarienses and forgotten all the other flowers! Even my 4 buddleias seem to be ignored but the BFs love that verbena. (I wonder if I have the buddleia hybrids known to have no nectar).

I haven't seen any monarchs resting on my milkweeds---just in flight in the yard.

I went to the library yesterday and checked out 4 butterfly books and ordered 2 others on Monarch migration. I am teaching myself how to do butterfly counts and trying to memorize the different varieties. Not easy (for me).

The Ohio Lepidopterist site has some good ID information but Marietta College has a better BF ID site

http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/butter/butter.html

http://www.ohiolepidopterists.org/bflymonitoring/species/photos.htm

I guess we all missed doing the NABA Fourth of July Butterfly Count. Something Lepidopterists do all over the country http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/noframe/f070.htm. it seems.

You must be busy checking for eggs and cats? Any luck?

Have fun. t.

rox_male
Athens, OH

August 2, 2006
11:41 AM

Post #2577927

T-
No willows. The neighbor has some parsley but I bet it is the Queen Anne's Lace that attracts them! Across the street there is an entire field of it.

No eggs or cats yet.

After your research, I'd be interested to know what BF you are seeing in your garden. I wonder if you get anything we don't. One of the rarest BF for me is the Zebra swallowtail. I see just a handful all season.

ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 7, 2006
9:34 PM

Post #2597140


Rox

Speaking of rare butterflies--do you know about a recently discovered Swallowtail called the Appalachian Swallowtail that was found down in the Smoky Mountain area around 2002 but now they believe some have been found in the Shawnee State Park here in Ohio?--

Anyway, I think you may be in a good 'Appalachian Swallowtail' hunting area and you may want to keep an eye out for them. They are similar to Eastern Tiger Swallowtails but much larger. Other than that they don't know a lot about them--they think the larval host plant might be cimifuga--but the experts aren't agreeing on that though.

Here is a link for them http://www.rlephoto.com/butterflies/swallowtail_at01.html

http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/07_06/07_12_06/out_swallowtails.html

It would be very cool to 'discover' one in your Ohio 'yarden'!

rox_male
Athens, OH

August 7, 2006
10:14 PM

Post #2597274

No. I've never heard of them.
That would be a find! Guess I need to look for a large male in the Spring amongst the smaller Eastern swallowtail.

My husband is always looking for herps (reptiles and amphibians) in counties where they haven't been recorded before. Now I can look for these! I also like to find unusual wildflowers. Mostly rarer plants or interesting mutants. This year I found a few: Clematis viorna and an oddly colored honeysuckle.

ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 29, 2007
2:10 PM

Post #3673495

Hi, ORVers--

Now that the butterfly season is getting into full swing, I wanted to bump up this thread and add this catalog from Envirotech, native plant growers in Somerset, Ohio, who are offering some of their inventory at sale prices now.

http://www.envirotechcon.com/Catolg%202007.pdf

Envirotech is located about 1 hour east of Columbus and does not have regular retail hours, but you can call for an appointment to visit. And please call or e-mail them for up to date inventories and how to take delivery on your order.

Their regular Fall Sale is September 9, 2007. Again call to confirm and for details.

http://www.envirotechcon.com/nursery1.html

rox_male
Athens, OH

June 29, 2007
6:02 PM

Post #3675530

If anyone places an order, I would love some asclepias tuberosa.
Thanks, ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 9, 2007
12:15 AM

Post #3834491


rox --

I never purchased any asclepias tuberosa, but I noticed the A. tuberosa plants in the park have seeds ready to harvest and I will get you some if you want them...

Just let me know... t.
rox_male
Athens, OH

August 9, 2007
1:43 AM

Post #3834799

T, Yes please!
ROX
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 9, 2007
3:25 AM

Post #3835189

OK d-mail me your address.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 10, 2011
8:50 AM

Post #8622124


Just wondering how everyone's butterfly gardens are progressing??

Mine has matured quite a bit since I first posted this thread. And I have really gotten into the native nectar and host plants, shrubs and trees as much as I can. It makes for a rather 'easy maintenance' garden (if you don't mind a 'natural' look. I have my natives in the back yard along the woods so that garden patch blends right in.

I do have lots of Swamp Milkweed coming into bloom this week and I planted about 30 new Tropical Milkweeds (not native). I have some Purple Milkweeds coming back, too, I think/hope.

Last year (2010) we had a bumper crop of butterflies...it seems like it was a good year for almost every butterfly gardener in our region. This year our butterflies have been very sparse, but the season is still young.

Is anyone else in the ORV planting for the butterflies?? And what are you growing for them? Any favorites?



Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 10, 2011
9:41 AM

Post #8622187

Judy, you need to send me a list of the most popular plants so I can start collecting seeds and making plans for next year. ;)
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 10, 2011
5:13 PM

Post #8622871


Chele, I will go thru my Prairie Moon seed packets and make a list. So many of those are natives (or near natives) to our region. http://www.prairiemoon.com/

One you absolutely must plant is Liatris Ligulistylus which the Monarchs go crazy for. But this plant is rare in the nursery trade and a little challenging to grow from seed~~cold stratification and long perennial maturing process, etc. It is beginning to be offered by Native Plant Societies and a very few select nurseries:

http://www.wildflowerfarm.com/index.php?p=product&id=78&parent=1

I will be interested to hear what are favorites in other ORVers gardens...

p.s. How are my sunflowers doing...?



Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 10, 2011
5:19 PM

Post #8622885

Thanks Judy. I'll wait to hear more!

The Russian sunflowers are about 8" tall now and the Tithonia is about 4" tall. Both are in 4" pots and ready for you. :)
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

June 11, 2011
7:19 AM

Post #8623719

We're seeing a lot of Silver-spotted Skippers and a few Hackberry Emperors.

We're actually planting for Butterflies and Dragonflies.
The DF's love perches about 3' over the pond and lily pads to sit and bask on.

Judy you have to get together w/ our neighbor Eric.
He's heavily into native butterfly attractors.
He has, I think, 8 different Milkweeds.
According to him, thru the spotters he runs w/, the Medium Purple Butterfly Bushes seem to do the best attracting.
The deeper Purples and Pinks do OK but will be passed up for the plain old heirloom one.
Seems to be what we see here.

We have a GIANT Salvia that is doing great on the Fall Butterfly and Bombus tour.
They don't even start to bloom until late September... so w/ most of their food source gone you get concentrations of Butterflies especially Skippers.

Having, well had, good lick last year w/ over ripe bananas in the Muddling bowl.
Really draws the Admirals and other sap eating BF's.
Not pretty but...lol!

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janaestone
(Di) Seven Mile, OH
(Zone 6b)

June 11, 2011
9:38 AM

Post #8623933

Autumn Joy/Matrona mix last August, early in the morning. Most of my yard was planted so that I could attract hummers and butterflies. I've been trying to fine-tune it over the years. This year I've started a new bed just for different varieties of milkweed with both seeds and plants; I'm hoping that in a few years time I'll have a butterfly nursery.

Ric, I've never grown anything specifically for dragonflies. They're my favorite - is there a list somewhere I can access for certain attracting plants?

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Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 11, 2011
9:45 AM

Post #8623949

I've never had to do anything to attract dragonflies, other than providing a water source. The breed in the bog and we always have a lot of them.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

June 11, 2011
12:15 PM

Post #8624120

Just came across this...a great host plant for Black Swallowtail Butterflies is fennel. I have l Bronze Fennel that I have had one for 3 years and the kids love seeing all the caterpillars on it! I planted 6 more this year I like it so much.
janaestone
(Di) Seven Mile, OH
(Zone 6b)

June 11, 2011
1:12 PM

Post #8624188

Same here, Chele..I just didn't know if there were certain plants that attracted them more than others. They're all over by our pond and I love to watch them.
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 11, 2011
1:19 PM

Post #8624211

I have some great photos of different ones on my facebook account. Last year or the year before, they really went nuts for my Kniphofia. :)
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 11, 2011
3:22 PM

Post #8624433


Yes, today was one of our first good butterfly days of the season: Monarchs (2), e.t swallowtails, zebra swallowtails, pipevine swallowtail, hackberries, silver spotted skippers, etc. etc. With all the rain this spring the butterflies haven't had much of a chance to show themselves around here before today. The hummingbirds are out in force today, too.

We have a wide array of host plants for the various butterflies in our yard. But we're always adding more.

One of the biggest nectar plants for Ohio butterflies is said to be Verbena bonarienses and I have to agree with that. Although today the fritillaries are really going for the pink monardas.

I'm intrigued that your rotten banana got some action, ric. I have not been able to generate any interest to speak of in fruity stuff. I do have a composted manure pile that is getting a little interest.
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 11, 2011
4:16 PM

Post #8624484

Wow! I used to have V. bonariensis all over my previous gardens. Maybe I should grow that again. It's a nice plant and easily removed when it self seeds.
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

June 11, 2011
7:54 PM

Post #8624883

Got some Killer shots of a Zebra today.
Their single caterpillar food is Paw Paw Trees.

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henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

June 11, 2011
8:09 PM

Post #8624918

Dragonflies actually do need a few plants to get the best use of a small pond or water feature.
Obviously mature farm or acre sized ponds will usually do well on their own.

But for smaller 'yard' ponds some need soft tissue bog plants to lay their eggs.
Underwater hiding places for their Nymphs.
Then landing pads for the Naiads/Nymphs.
Also perches... they love perches.

http://sagebug.com/howto/dragonflies.html
http://www.nwf.org/Get-Outside/Outdoor-Activities/Garden-for-Wildlife/Gardening-Tips/Attracting-Dragonflies.aspx
http://www.ehow.com/info_8536757_dragonfly-attracting-plants.html

Here's a Fragile Forktail and to the right a Naiad...

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Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 6, 2011
7:26 AM

Post #8675760

What kind of moth/butterfly looks like a chunk of bird poop? LOL Jazzi just found one. You really would think it was bird poop unless you saw the two appendages sticking out but they lay on the ground? It flew off.
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 7, 2011
3:13 AM

Post #8677606

Hmmm... not familiar w/ that one.
Many Caterpillars, especially Swallowtails look like bird poop when young though.
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 7, 2011
8:28 AM

Post #8678025

I guess if we sit it/one again, I'll have to get a photo. It was rather odd!
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2011
7:28 PM

Post #8681256

Pearly Wood Nymph Moth, Eudryas unio?

http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Eudryas-unio
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 8, 2011
7:51 PM

Post #8681291

LOL Ric! If that is not it, it's darn close. Totally laughing that you could find a moth based on a bird poop description.
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2011
7:55 PM

Post #8681300

Search
"Bird poop" moth ohio
Then you have to get fancy to get the real name...LOL!
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 8, 2011
8:04 PM

Post #8681312

Yeah. Sure. LOL
henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 8, 2011
8:30 PM

Post #8681343

The site I linked to is a great resource.
I've been adding sightings there for a few weeks.
They have an amazing Database.
Badseed
Hillsboro, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 8, 2011
8:35 PM

Post #8681345

I'd love to contribute as they are bountiful here but I barely have time to do the other stuff I should be doing. sigh. We have massive critters here. Nolan loves them!

The nice thing about all these fields of Joe Pye weed and Solidago and various forms of milkweed and then some!
salix_man
Barberton, OH

July 23, 2011
8:57 AM

Post #8710632

Henry thought you might like this.
Herman

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henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 24, 2011
7:30 AM

Post #8712132

Nice find Herman!
I think it's a Royal Walnut Moth but I've never seen one that pale. Did you get a top (dorsal) shot?
salix_man
Barberton, OH

July 24, 2011
9:05 AM

Post #8712299

I thought cecropia but it was under a walnut. I found a big pupa under another walnut last fall.

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henryr10
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6b)

July 29, 2011
8:21 PM

Post #8724405

Yep definitely a Royal Walnut. EXCELLENT find!
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 1, 2011
6:49 AM

Post #8729303

Badseed, I envy you your fields of goldenrod and milkweed, etc.

Although I'm happy to report your little milkweeds you grew for me are happy and being visited by lots of monarchs. And the sunflowers are quite a spectacle and the gold finches, etc., are loving them!

I am beginning to collect seeds from my butterfly garden and will send some to ORVers who are interested.

The verbena bonarienses are great for general butterfly nectar plants. And the liatris ligulistylus is the monarchs absolute favorite. I will have seeds from both if anyone wants them D-mail me with your address. Also tropical milkweed seeds.

Lots of butterflies today. I think the heat makes them happy...

t.

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