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I cannot locate the vine list in the faq at the other forum. I found this website ---> http://gardeningwithskip.tamu.edu/tips/tip0204F.htm
that I'd added to my faves last year; the list below is from the site. Though it's Texas, it seems applicable to low-elevation AZ as well. Perhaps we can add others not on the list... as well as additional comments/modifications. I don't quite know into what category Mexican Flame Vine goes! (tropical?)
ANNUAL AND TROPICAL VINES:
Cypress Vine (Ipomoea quamoclit) - Small (1") red flowers and a canopy of feathery foliage somewhat like that of the cypress tree. Reseeds profusely. Full sun. Flowers attract hummingbirds.
Hyacinth Bean (Dolichos lablab) - Fast growing bean vine with beautiful stalks of purple flowers over 12" long. Blooms begin to set seed in late summer and fall. Leaves are green with burgundy undersides, adding to the vine's appeal. Full sun.
Morning Glory (Ipomoea sp.) - Fast growing vine with large blooms in shades of blue, white and red. Mites can be a problem at times, but the gorgeous blooms are worth it. The moon vine (Ipomoea alba) is a close relative that blooms at night. Great for an outdoor deck area. Full sun.
Rangoon Creeper (Quisqualis indica) - This plant starts off as a 3' shrub then starts sending long vining shoots out and the plant becomes a vine. This is how it gets the name "quisqualis" which means "which - what?" Produces large clusters of flared trumpet blooms which start out white and turn to red. Full sun.
Blue Butterfly Pea (Clitoria ternatea) - Tame vine that won't take over and thus is great for restricted areas. Showy dark blue flowers with white centers. Full sun. Best viewed up-close.
Dutchman's Pipe (Aristolochia) - Several species of imported and one native vine with unique pipe-shaped blooms, best viewed up-close. Fast growing. Full sun to part shade.
Coral Vine or Queen's Wreath (Antigonon leptopus) - Vivid pink clusters of delicate lace-like blooms that hang down like pink chains. Blooms through the last of summer. Attracts pollinator insects like bumble bees. A white blooming form is also available. Full sun.
Sky Flower (Thunbergia grandiflora) - Fast growing vine that covers an area quickly to provide a fast screen. Large blue flowers are a very attractive accent and appear late in the season. Attracts hummingbirds. Full sun.
Passion Flower (Passiflora sp.) - several species offering blooms in various colors including red, blue or purple. Larval food source for Gulf Fritillary butterfly. Flowers are fascinating and complex. Best viewed up-close. Full sun.
Snail Vine (Vigna caracalla) - Pale purple blooms that curl around on themselves reminiscent of a snail's shell. Best viewed up-close. Full sun.
Sweet Autumn Clematis ( Clematis discorifolia) - Clouds of whitish flowers in late summer or early fall offer a scent reminiscent of vanilla. Prefers to grow onto something such as a garden arch or pillar, forming a cascading mound of foliage. Full sun to part shade. A native clematis worth mentioning is Scarlet Clematis (C. texensis), a dainty vine with single, red, urn-shaped blooms in mid to late summer. Shade to part shade. Best viewed up-close.
Coral Honeysuckle (Lonicera sempervirens) - A dainty grower that is well suited to a confined area. Coral blooms form clusters of tubular flowers. A yellow form is also available. Full sun to part shade. Other well-mannered honeysuckle species worth growing include the varieties 'Pam's Pink' and 'Gold Flame.' Full sun to part shade.
Crossvine (Bignonia capreolata) - The native form sports rusty brown-red to yellow blooms. A dazzling new variety 'Tangerine Beauty' is a show stopper with its tangerine to coral blooms. It blooms profusely in spring and sparsely later in the season. Full sun to part shade.
Trumpet Creeper (Campsis radicans) - The "wild" version is often cursed as a rampant weedy vine. Newer cultivars like "Madame Galen" & "Georgia" offer larger blooms and have a place as a strong vine for a large arbor or to cover the expanse of a western wall. Full sun to part shade.
Wisteria (Wisteria sp.) - Several species and varieties are available. Long cascades of blue to purple flowers in spring. Looks great trained along the top of a fence and cut back heavily each winter. Full sun to part shade.
Carolina Jessamine (Gelsemium sempervirens) - Evergreen vine that puts on spring show of trumpet shaped yellow blooms. Full sun to part shade. All parts of the plant are poisonous.
Lady Banks Rose (Rosa banksiae) - Long arching thornless canes bear yellow blooms in spring. Needs lots of room to do its thing. Full sun. A lightly fragrant, white blooming form is also available.
Butterfly Vine (Stigmaphyllum periplocaefolium) - Semi-deciduous vine named after the butterfly-shaped seed pods which form after the yellow clusters of flowers drop. Full sun. May freeze to ground some years.
deserteden, it's the blue butterfly pea. I googled it and borrowed the image. I agree that it's pretty... I'm gonna have to get me one o' those. I wonder if anyone has any experience with them-?
warriorant, I don't know anything about "Dutchman's Pipe". I'm just the messenger...lol Sounds nice though! Ivy grows here; perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the varieties will chime in with ivy info.
I agree, judy... but there was no copyright or name associated with it (or I'd give credit)--and only jibberish (unless it's another language!) on the site; I'm not using it for profit, nor am I claiming ownership :)
I got lost on the internet looking for relevant info for Dutchman's Pipe--hundreds of species in this family--but found Aristolochia watsonii, native to the Sonoran Desert/AZ...
Aristolochiaceae (pipevine family)
Mark A. Dimmitt
This is a tropical family of 400 species in the world, 300 of which are in the genus Aristolochia. They are mostly vines with strangely-shaped flowers and foliage that exudes a distinctive, unpleasant odor. Only a single species occurs in the Sonoran Desert.
A trailing or climbing vine with stems up to 3 feet (0.9 m) long. The 1 inch (2.5 cm) long, arrow-shaped leaves are usually dark brownish-green when growing in full sun. The tubular-funnel form flowers are about 1¼ inches (3.8 cm) long, green with brown spotting.
Throughout the warm months.
Aristolochia watsonii grows from Southern Arizona and adjacent Mexico to the tip of Baja California.
Though this species is inconspicuous and rarely encountered unless actively sought, it is included here because of three fascinating ecological stories.
One story is its pollination. Most pipevines are pollinated by deceiving insects into visiting the flowers; no reward is available. Usually the flowers smell like carrion or dung to attract insects that are seeking a place to lay eggs. The story of our species is even more remarkable. It is pollinated by Ceratopogonid flies; these are the small, blood-sucking flies that pester humans and other mammals in the humid summer. The flowers of Aristolochia watsonii resemble a mouse’s ear—translucent funnels with fur and veins—and give off a musty odor. The fly apparently expects to find a blood meal, and instead is trapped inside the flower tube overnight. During the night the flower releases pollen. The following morning the flower releases the pollen-covered fly. If the fly visits another flower it effects pollination.
All pipevines contain a variety of powerful toxins that humans have used for medicines. The name birthwort comes from its use during difficult births; it stimulates expulsion of the fetus and placenta.
The plant has also been used to treat snakebite, paralysis, malaria, impotence, intestinal worms, and infections. Though pipevine seems to be effective for numerous ailments, the side effects are horrific.
Despite the virulent toxins, pipevines are the larval food plant of the pipevine swallowtail, a large, showy butterfly. The caterpillars are black or red with red tubercles and grow to about 3 inches (7.6 cm) long. This conspicuous coloration warns potential predators that the larvae are protected by the pipevine’s toxins, which they store in their bodies without harm to themselves. Several caterpillars can often be found feeding on one small plant of A. watsonii. They will completely defoliate the plant (it later resprouts from its perennial root). Without this species of pipevine, the pipevine swallowtail would not occur in the Sonoran Desert.
How about Spanish Flag vine? Does it do good here? I had some seeds for it so planted some,
they are just coming up so I hope so. I also have a lavender trumpet vine that I bought at
Target last year. It just bloomed for the first time. The passiflora I bought at Lowes is covered up
with buds, more opening everyday...
I have several growing right now. I even have the "white" butterfly pea vine. Same as the other but white. It hasn't flowered yet, but the blue ones have been for awhile. They are quite dainty, sweet flowers. It doesn't even curl in the heat. Seems to thrive w/the heat. My ipomeas wilt mid-day, but not these. I was fortunate enough to get some seeds from a friend. If these go to seed, I'll be glad to share. Just remind me later on in the season.
Magpied, I not only have it living through our heat but...living through our heat in a plain ole plastic pot. It's easterly facing under an overhang directly above it of shade cloth. It's been growing all summer but only a couple of flowers before the furnace kicked in. I got it at the rare fruit growers sale in the spring and this is my first time growing it.
Huh? Are they talking about the same Lady Banks I planted? These are great plants and I'd recommend them to anyone, especially if you want to create a privacy hedge, but "thornless" - not really. I've got the scratches to prove it. I think Lady Banks makes a good security 'fence', too.
This is a great list, magpied, thanks for putting the info up. Like everyone else, it just creates a new list of wants for me. I think it's good to start a discussion so people can share their experiences with plants others of us don't have. Unfortunately for me, I have a lavendar trumpet vine that refuses to bloom and passies that are, apparently, sympathetic. Most of my bloomers right now are bower vines and snail vines.
Carl, I'm not partial to stinky flowers either. I think you will have to content yourself with your Aristilochia providing color by way of the butterlies it will attract. Seems like a fair exchange to me!
I am starting to appreciate nice foliage more and more. When the flowers aren't blooming it is nice to have a plant that still looks unusual or beautiful without them. sam
Carl, I wonder how big the stink is on those big ones...anyone know how big the stink is? I know the stink on fimbriata is minimal and it's such a great foliage plant, too. The flowers on watsonii are tiny! No stink there and yet another great foliage plant...I'm loving that little plant!
Sifted out the finer points from the lengthy post up there ;)
Aristolochiaceae (pipevine family)
- - -They are mostly vines with strangely-shaped flowers and foliage that exudes a distinctive, unpleasant odor. Usually the flowers smell like carrion or dung to attract insects that are seeking a place to lay eggs.
- - -Grows from Southern Arizona and adjacent Mexico to the tip of Baja California, native to the Sonoran Desert in AZ.
- - -A. watsonii is pollinated by Ceratopogonid flies; these are the small, blood-sucking flies that pester humans and other mammals in the humid summer. The fly is trapped inside the flower tube overnight. During the night the flower releases pollen. The following morning the flower releases the pollen-covered fly. If the fly visits another flower it effects pollination.
Several caterpillars can often be found feeding on one small plant of A. watsonii. They will completely defoliate the plant (it later resprouts from its perennial root). Without this species of pipevine, the pipevine swallowtail would not occur in the Sonoran Desert.
Pretty neat info on the watsonii. I have the article from the Sonoran Desert Museum that that came from :) I have to watsonii's growing right now. When I did a google search on the elegans, it came up as having no odor, but I had believed otherwise. Sure are some pretty neat looking flowers
Magpied... you must be feeling better, and I'm so happy about that! You have just been a huge encyclopedia of information lately... YEAH! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge about so many things with us!
Rodica, Roger came from Mountain States Wholesale Nursery. Jim D. picked it up for me (probably because he got tired of hearing me whine about not getting one when I was there on a field trip with Outgardening).
Baker's Nursery gets some plants from MSWN. If they don't have it perhaps they could order it. It wasn't available at the Spring DBG sale but when the plant list is published for the fall, you could check and see if it will be offered in October.
Rodica, the meetings for Outgardening are scheduled elsewhere through October. It isn't certain that there will be another one to MSWN. There was just talk of it earlier this year and I have my fingers crossed.
Members get emails of the meetings. Did you get one? sam
Last week I stopped at A&P Nursery just to browse. I was just looking around to see what vines were available that I might plant in a full sun area. The lady their suggested Hall's Honeysuckle. Does anyone grow this vine. I looked it up and it looks nice but what will it look like after our summer heat.
Anyone growing one? Is it a fast grower? Any info please.
I have Hall's honeysuckle. It grows very well here. I don't have any problems with it, except for that it grows very well here :) Perhaps others can add more. I also have the "purple" ~ Lonicera japonica 'Purpurea'. I think it's a bit prettier than the Hall's, too. Here you can see pics of the purple... http://toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?uid=LONICERA_JAPONICA
My Hall's was pre-existing and has a well-established root system. When cut back to nothing, it grows rapidly. This was one of the plants that anyone was welcome to take (dig and take!) at the swap/get-together here in May... but the temperature wasn't conducive to digging! I have so much of this and am happy to give it away!
Is anybody growing the Giant Burmese HoneySuckle?
It is the most amazing honeysuckle I have ever seen.
The first time I saw it, I was on Coronado island in San Diego and it covered a huge fence. It looked like a regular honeysuckle on steroids. The flowers were so big that a bee will get lost in it and everything else was proportionate-the leaves and stems and fragrance. I felt in love with it in a second.
I took some cuttings but they did not make it.
I do not know if they will survive in our climate. I have a couple of common HS growing and doing very well but not all honeysuckle are for our summer.
I have goldflame honeysuckle that has survived the summer so far in a 1 gal pot in a protected location. This is a species hybrid that has a fabulous fragrance but very restrained in growth. Can't wait to get it in the ground and see it thrive, it really is a great plant. Got that at MVG BTW
I have the goldflame honeysuckle also. Mine does get some protection though as it is in an "alley." Planted last fall when the garden centers put everything on sale to make room for Christmas trees. I thought it would be hardier than the Hall's. So far so good! sam
The only place I saw that it carries the vine is Tropicalvines.com site.
I am interested in several more vines and maybe I will order this one too.
But first I will call Baker' and Berridge to see if they have or if they can order them for me.
I just called Baker's and they do not have Giant Burmese HS and they can not order them.
They do, however have 4-5, five gallon Roger's red grape if anybody is interested. I would really, really like one but I do not have enough space to plant anything that big.
I just wanted to let you guys know just in case somebody can accommodate a 5 gall plant.
i have quite a few seeds of the blue pea vine (clitoria ternatea) that i gathered in malaysia last fall. i germinated some and am glad to see they'll take the growing conditions here! in asia, the blue flowers are commonly used to tint pastries, rice and cloth. here's a rice cake made with the blue pea flower: http://www.inmagine.com/inm081/im081012-photo
Judy, that San Marcos wholesaler shows it in stock. maybe someone could get one for you. Even if they could just have it drop-shipped and collect a little profit. Seems like they could arrange it somehow.
I will check with Audrey as soon as she comes in the office. I do not have any link except the one for lily auction.
1_Lucky_Texan has a link that takes you to some nurseries but none of them in our area. I am still trying to get somebody to special order for me
and all I have to do is go there and pick it up.
I will keep you posted.
A quick FYI about Monrovia...just in case you're not aware of it (and if you are, then just disregard this). Monrovia grows an amazing array of high quality plants & that seems soooo promising...but here's the kicker, about 70% of them are never available to Arizona. No matter how much the nursery buyers here ask for them, they do not allot enough product to allow for sales of certain plants here. It's rediculous. So, while it's totally worth a try if you really want to get something they are growing, don't be too disappointed with the nurseries themselves here in case they can't get it.
Also...if you decide to call Berridge...ask for Bill Wray. He's the buyer connected with Monrovia and he's got amazing knowledge and a lot of pull with various suppliers. Good luck!! ~Kim