Fly Lady advertises herself as a personal online coach to declutter your house and your life. And get organized. No CHAOS!
This is something I need...and someone recommended her site to me, but she sounds a little obsessed, doesn't she?!! Or not?!!
I did start out by cleaning and polishing my sink. First Baby Step. (Now my hands hurt from the bleach. Whine....) Will it get better after this?!!
Anybody willing to share any thoughts on your opinions/experience?....
What about FLY LADY?!! Anybody follow her advice?!!
Hi Tabasco! I've been a Fly Baby since last August, and my housekeeping has certainly improved. My kitchen sink no longer has dishes or pots sitting in it for days on end; my toilet never gets "scuzzy"; the trash cans are emptied on a regular basis (not just when I can no longer stuff any more into them, lol!); I managed to reclaim an entire room from boxes of "stuff" (although it's starting to get crowded again).
All in all, things are much better since I started following her advice. I'm just doing the basic evening routine, and my morning routine, and I try to get done whatever else I can manage, which isn't a lot some days. But as long as I stick to the morning and evening routines, the place is reasonably presentable at any given time, which, for me, is practically a miracle.
It's nice to know I really *can* take care of myself. That's the best part of it; I finally feel that I can rely on me. ☺
I used to clean houses with a maid service for a living. I like to clean. LOL I looked her up a while back and she did have some good ideas, but nothing I haven't already done in the past.
I can see how she would be a good motivator by organizing a work load. But she got a little redundant and I don't like being told when to go to bed. LOL And I don't wear shoes indoors and only wear shoes outdoors when there is snow on the ground. LOL Just kidding. But I rarely wear shoes unless I want to go out in public. I find you can experience a floor better without shoes. How else are you going to know there is a puddle from a naughty pet unless you step in it with your bare feet? If I had shoes on, I might miss it and track it into the carpeted area of the house. Bare feet are an essential part of having a clean floor.
I did like her idea of wiping off the basin area and bathroom commode to spiff things up. I'm all for quickly tidying up a room.
This is a good idea for those who don't know where to start and need a little help in that area. Being with a maid service I learned how to work quickly and efficiently. When we dusted we started on one corner of the room and worked our way in a complete circle. I found that pretty useful instead of my usual way of just skipping around and forgetting part of the room altogether.
FlyLady is really for us messy people who need the help and motivation. If you are already organized and clean regularly than Hooray! you're already Fly-ing. ☺
It's really more than about having a clean house; it's about feeling good about yourself, having confidence in your abilities and looking after yourself so you can deal with the world.
I HATED wearing shoes, ever since I was a little kid, because I had to wear these awful, brown, straight-sided orthopedic shoes throughout my childhood. I loved being barefoot. But when I joined FlyLady, I decided to go "all or nothing" and wear the shoes whether I liked it or not. It was, for me, a real leap of faith. I have to say that the benefits of always wearing shoes far outweigh any negatives. They tend to offset my bad balance, protect my feet from broken glass, and make me feel ready to "go" at any time.
I'd say laying out my clothes the night before has become the best habit I've picked up. I can spend ten or fifteen minutes picking out clothes if I have to without worrying about being late for anything! ☺
She is too organized for me. My life is organized chaos. My best plans invariably go awry. I probably do a few of her ideas but don't really follow her much.
Interesting. But I think FlyLady is really about more than just housecleaning, isn't it?...
Well, I guess I'm thinking if I do FlyLady routines they will free up my mind/self to do things that right now seem to challenging.....I can skip up to the next level.
Mmmm...I don't know, but today I did 'baby step 2' which was 'Get dressed to my shoes' right when I got up in the morning, which I did, including make-up, hair, and then I went out to some appointments I've been avoiding...All in all, a pretty good day, but I still have to shine my sink!!....I think this is very subliminal. (-:
I like the IDEA of Flylady, I just have had SO much trouble actually putting it into practice. I have a lot of really good excuses why it doesn't work for me (sleep/work schedule mostly). I need to figure out how to take her ideas and make them fit me.
I read the opening once and got the impression she didn't work full time. She actually mentioned sitting a the dining room table at 9 am enjoying a cup of coffee and having time to make a grocery list! By 9 am I have been to work for 2 hours! If I had that kind of time housework is not a problem. The fundamental difficulty for me is to put housecleaning, gardening, yard work, paperwork and trips AND leisure in the same 2 weekend days. It does not fit......I dont' think she can help me with that. Unless she can show me how to clean a four bedroom house in a half hour!
I am naturally organized and don't have much difficulty keeping the house clean. My trouble is how to store stuff. I have so many catagories of stuff that really has three or more potential places. Living with me is a perpetual scavenger hunt!
I got that "doesn't work full time outside the house" impression, too. Her system seems to be oriented toward someone who has free mornings--once the kids are off to school or have gone out to play. A few years ago, I tried the SHE system with the multi-colored index cards, too, but wound up moving more and more cards into the future because there was only so much I could do or wanted to do after a full day at work and making dinner.
I know, roxroe, about the perpetual scavenger hunt. My DH (who isn't always D) can lose a piece of paper on his desk and be completely unable to find it. We must have ghosts in all of our houses who steal things because his whine is always "It was here yesterday, and now it's not!" It's not there because he moved it and left it in the kitchen or the bedroom or wherever he happened to be standing when he put it down. And I am required to help him look for everything that he can't find. He is psychologically unable to look for something all by himself.
Well, I signed up on Flylady and I can't even keep my shoes on, much less 'laced up'! I'm trying, though! It does give me something to talk about with my adult children living at home and I have noticed they have been picking up after themselves regularly...
Flylady seems a bit over organized for my style, but maybe she seems to have all of this extra time to keep her house nice because she freed up her life by being organized in the very beginning (had good habits) and had time to think up the Flylady website and make enough $$ on that so that she only needs to work part time--does anyone know what I'm trying to say?! LOL I don't think that made much sense!
Thanks for adding this forum! I think her site looks so fun and amusing! How much does she charge for her site....and are you able to access quite a bit without a fee?
Well, I didn't pay anything. I just signed up. Try it, you might find it helpful, even just a little bit.
(I think she may make her $$ from advertising, promotions, and speeches and that sort of thing.)
She is very positive and finds a lot of good in everything...and some of her organizing ideas are helpful especially to me who is basically 'clueless' about how to get things done, keep a diary of appointments, and so on...(not naturally in my nature and my mom, bless her heart, never really taught us how to 'organize' --she just told us what to do and when to doit!! Not sophisticated, but it worked for her!
My poor mom I think used to think she always had to do something herself if she wanted it done right. The result? The house was harder and harder to keep clean with our expanding family and eventually the boys grew up saying they don't know how to cook or clean. As John Stossel on 20/20 would say, "Give me a break!" Hehe.
Nice to have a place to go and get good tips. Thanks for answering about it being free!
I have been a "FlyBaby" on and off for about 4 years. I KNOW that the program works, and when you follow the routines, it actually becomes habit, and almost natural. Before Tori (DD9) had her surgery (9-2004) and was in the hospital for over a month and almost died 2x, my routines went south and I am just now getting bck into the swing of things.
I have a copy of sink reflections, (flylady's book) and I am subscribed to 2 of the Menu-Mailers
( http://www.savingdinner.com )
The site is entirely free, she was an elected county official when she started the "FlyLady" thing. She had a problem with not being able to have people in her house, and was part of the SHE System, and has credited them with alot of her ideas.
I will let anyone borrow Sink Reflections, but you can get it cheap on eBay I believe. Alot of her messages are subliminal, but over time htey do begin to sink in :)
Good luck to all.. and I'm only a DMail away of you get discouraged!
I've read some of FlyLady's stuff and it's good, but I agree with the people who say it doesn't fit their lifestyle for one reason or another. My husband worked shift work and we were in and out at all different times. I eventually developed a plan (on paper) that worked for our family's lifestyle. Basically the same ideas as FlyLady, but in my own timeframe. I made a bunch of copies and checked the jobs off as I did them each week. The BIGGEST help for me was when I started making my bed as soon as I got up in the morning, the minute my feet hit the floor. Now I go to the bathroom and THEN make my bed, but getting that one job done makes the whole house look neater and easier to tackle. My stepmother always kept a very nice house and she said her secret was keeping the dishes out of the sink and the beds made. She said if those two areas are done, everything else is a piece of cake! I've pretty much lived by that advice and it's really does work.
I have been a Flybaby since about 5 months after Marla started the site...At that time I was still working full-time 10-13 hour days 5 days a week...I was so exhausted on the weekends it took me till Sunday to get up enough energy to do the laundry, much less anything else...My house was a disaster...Hubby did mop and run the vacuum, but that was it..
I have not purchased any of her products, and I got her books from the library...I designed my own Control Journal, and started out with the clutter ...As she says, if you dont love it, or use it..lose it ..let it bless someone else...and believe me, I did..
From the linen closet to the clothes closets, to the nicnacks and books that took HOURS to dust...to the kitchen cupboards..I got rid of the hodgepodge of pots and pans and bought a new set.. got rid of all the baking things I no longer use, and all the plastic butter tubs, and bought a set of storage wear..NOT the expensive stuff either...I was able to get my routines done quickly in the morning before I left for work at 10am..
With my hubby seriously ill, and in a wheelchair , and me now working nights and weekends from home, I NEED my sanity.. and these Routines give it to me...I have my days free to spend with my hubby, and our dogs, and out in my gardens..or doing my sculpting.. I no longer cringe when the doorbell rings..and most importantly, my house is clean, and Im now somewhat sane....LOL
I still only do my laundry one day a week, because we dont generate that much, and that is usually on Saturday, as Im trapped here to answer the work phones anyway.
Flylady always tells you that you need to adapt the routines to fit you and your lifestyle...but working gals will definitely benefit from her system..Just a warning... set up a seperate inbox on your email for her daily messages...I generally just delete the testimonials, and read the headers only on the reminders..but as long as Ive been doing it, I rarely need a reminder now
Interesting to hear your 'testimonials'-- I am working on changing my habits, but it's not so easy for this old gal. I will have to go to the library and get her books. You're right, the emails can be overwhelming, so I'm glad to hear you short-cut those, too!
But, I continue to try to keep my sink clean (this is hard for me) and make the bed and get the kids to do theirs.
Also have purged my closets of the stuff I used to think was important and it does give me a feeling of freedom! Haven't gotten rid of my baking pans, but I'm considering it!
Also started to exercise 1/2 hour a day which is a big boost too! (And not as awful as I thought it would be--in fact I kind of like it.)
I am getting closer to the 'ideal' but still pretty far away from it!
Just remember ... Baby steps!!! You can do anything for 15 minutes at a time...
Take your time, and get your routines set...I am over 60 , and if I can change anyone can....
II am curious - does anyone know if there could be two Flyladies? I ask because about 8 years ago I joined an online course run by iVillage on AOL. If was the first time I had ever heard or seen anything about learning how to be organized. Of course, I watch and read a ton of them now! At any rate, we met once a week for a live chat and were given homework assignments and encouraged to make posts about our progress throughout the week. I particularly remember one of the members named Flylady. At that time she had just moved somewhere and was waiting for her husband to join her. I don't recall a mention of children and for some reason I thought her husband must be in the service because she talked as though she had moved overseas. At any rate - she sticks in my mind so much because she annoyed the daylights out of m! I was teaching full time, working a part time job, tutoring students, helping my daughter move, and belonged to a couple of volunteer organizations. I had 30 hours of work a day to do in 24 and the first thing they wanted us to do was spend several hours making a journal and then to write in it every day. "Yeah! RIght! Sorry, students. No test today. I had to write in my journal"
I remember her so vividly because during introductions she went on and on about how she did not have a clue and was alone and just waiting for hubby. From then on she would make numerous posts about the tremendous amount of work she had accomplished setting up the house that day and always had a dozen tips on some efficient way to do things. During live chats, she answered questions more than the moderators. Everyone thought she was wonderful and her ideas so cleaver. Yes, I thought some were very good, some were just "make work", but most of all I always wondered why the long speech about how she didn't know how to keep house when it was clear that organization was a long time obsession with her. It seemed obvious to me that she had nothing to do all day BUT organize! Could it possibly be the same woman?
I never thought about her until I joined this forum and her name keeps popping up. I wondered the first time it was mentioned. I didn't realize that she had a "program."
Oh, and I like the idea about laying out my clothes the night before. I could start a new fashion trend - dog-hair covered clothes. !
Life is a journey, not a destination so stop and smell the daisies!
Hi, Mollie-- Mmmm.... sounds like it could be the same lady or a 'copy cat' situation.
Yes, some people seem to be obsessively organized (or disorganized), the trick is, I think to recognize one's own capabilities and then team up with someone who has the opposite traits! Isn't that what all the business management books say to do?! LOL Then one doesn't have to totally 're-train' yourself a la Flylady. Just marry somebody who is a good housekeeper or find a room mate who is organized! Yeah, right! LOL
Well, I think Flylady has to be taken with a grain of salt, but she has lots of good ideas along with crazy ideas and helps me understand what could be done/needs to be done/and how to do some things that would ordinarily never occcur to me to do to make things go better.
I am sorry that lady in the chat room made such a bad impression on you.
This is very interesting. I am sending my daughter and son-in-law the Fly-lady's website. lol I hate to say it but my dd and sil are both 'slobs'. Might as well tell it like it is. ;) So in this case neither one can manage to even remotely be organized in anything. They are the parents of a now three yr. old darling little girl (my grandbaby) and I would love to see them work on trying to get things a little more organized so the child will grow up with some kind of, how can I say it, 'framework' for her life. I would like to see her learn how to keep her room and take pride in her possessions. She is only three but she is very smart and knowledgable. When she is at our house she loves to help fold clothes, spread up the beds, sweep with her own little broom, wash dishes, etc. etc.
Where did I go wrong!!!! LOL This is my youngest dd. My oldest dd is a school teacher and very organized. They both have wonderful outgoing personalities and are both involved in public service type jobs. But when it comes to Homemaking 101 my youngest sure falls short. sigh ;)
Pats on the back to you Rhonda! You are awesome!!!! I know things DO get easier with time.
I've simplified my cleaning quite a bit as an adult just by the things I've chosen NOT to buy.
• I DO NOT like wooden chairs with rungs and have found nice sets for both formal dining and the kitchen, NO DUSTY RUNGS =).
• I AVOID buying ANY clothes that are dry clean only and try not to buy anything that requires ironing as I despise that chore.
• I buy the bleach tabs for the toilet (DH is a DEAR to always close the lid so pets don't get harmed) and then it reduces the amount of times I have to scrub the toilets.
• My FAVORITE tip: I do not buy knicknacks. I am not really into "collecting" anything. I am not saying someone is bad for doing this but man oh man I cannot tell you the hours SAVED in not having to move many small cute things from a countertop or shelf to dust.
I have never heard of Flylady until now. I just followed your link to her site and wow!!! That sounds really inspiring and now I am wondering like you guys if it will fit into my life with me working a full time job.....Maybe if I take a few pointers from her. At least if I cant do the whole routine flylady does I could maybe simplify/improve some areas.
Does anyone else have tips on how to minimize your cleaning? Or does flylady?
Another thing I remembered is:
I bought shade rollers for the windows vs. mini blinds. It's what we had growing up and in an old house there was lots of dust....I thought mini blinds were so cool until I lived in apartments with them and they were always needing washing or dusting. Shades = no dusting.
Well, I think if I can just follow her "weekly plan" and put the checklist on the refrigerator, a lot more gets done than with out a 'plan' (like I tend to operate). ---whether working full time or not working.
And I found that if I discuss the "Flylady" concept of the week and put the plan on the refrigerator, then everyone in the household understands better what needs to be done and when. And hopefully 'buy' into the concept (without too much 'Push Pull). Making the plan and communicating it is the first step and Flylady's plan looks pretty good (with some personal modifications ) to me. When things get nasty around here, then, I just blame "Fly Lady" and somehow that deflects the 'negative' energy! (Not always!)
I think her point about "Baby Steps" is well taken, too. http://www.flylady.net/pages/FLYingLessons_Babysteps.asp
I also like her idea of "setting the timer". Works well with my kids (and me). Cuts down on Procrastination and Obsessing over a task.
And I like her "Master Grocery List" plan. Makes a lot of sense.
I detest wearing shoes in the house. I really didn't get much beyond that point.
I do, however, from some of the business and motivational books I've read, have a to-do list. That way it's down on paper, and I don't have to keep remembering or forgetting or fretting about it. I just look at the list.
My tip: Everytime I walk into a room, I take 5 minutes to tidy something up, put something away, anything to make the room a little better. I am amazed how 5 minutes here and there saves me from spending an hour to clean a room that has gradually been totally trashed (usually by me).
I don't like to wear shoes in the house either!
I found that using flylady there was TOO much work. Unless you are a full time stay at home person and this is your job (which is so difficult in itself) I found it impossible to keep up. Plus I really don't need to write a journal on cleaning. Hello! It's boring enough doing it and then writing about it....
I needed something way easier and faster. I found a book called "Speed cleaning" by Jeff Campbell that works well for me.
In it you find advice like:
'if it's not dirty don't clean it" and 'vertical surfaces don't need to cleaned as often as horizontal ones.'
I also like
"Don't keep working after it's clean"
One thing I found is that you have a place for everything it makes cleaning a lot easier. If you don't have a place for things you keep moving them from one place to another.
And I only clean a room once a day! Otherwise I would be cleaning the kitchen all the time!
Ooh..some good tips there, Mobi!
The one about having a place for everything is essential. The thing is until recently (I didn't discover the Dollar Stores until last year) I never had the shelves, baskets, and so on to keep things in order. What a difference it makes!
I also like the "Don't buy knick knacks" tip from Tir na dog. I wish I had discovered that one earlier, too!
My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance & never clean on days that end in Y.
I like to keep things neat, not much clutter. Yeah, I dust and mop and wipe off counters but....I figure if it looks OK for friends that is good enough. I don't invite a lot of friends into my bedroom and that seems to be a national obsession. A well made bed with tons of pillows to remove every night. Geez! I go in, get in my jammies and go to sleep. I do throw the covers up in the morning though.
My motto is "Have you ever seen "She was a fantastic housekeeper!" on someone's tomestone?"
Me, I want to make my mark somewhere else! :)
I no longer get flylady's endless emails... I was shocked at the sheer volume when I first signed on four years ago and promtly got off. After a friend told me about her again I resumed and deleted through lots once I got the picture. They greatly and vastly helped me get my stuff in gear when I was a wreck of a housewife, had just had my first child and couldn't get it together.. before her I use to pile the dishes till there were enough to justify my using the water.. Now I clean after each meal... try to anyway... Wake up to a clean kitchen to start the new day and not a pile of dishes bringing me down from the night before.
I have gotten rid of sooooo much clutter! It has taken years to to this. It has changed my life and it really does effect your mental state of mind. We moved into my husbands childhood home and my MIL and FIL took little more than their suitcases when they moved to the carribean for 7 years before the grandkids got here. They never threw out anything. I give away all kinds of stuff and no longer pile up the attic for yard sales, which I have to shlep down stairs and out the other side of the house.. Just put it in my car and donate the stuff. I am very blessed and I let it go to bless someone else. My kids are feed well and they have plenty of clothes, so why not share in my bounty. I have seen pictures of poor kids in Brazil wearing my kids outgrown clothes that my housekeeper took down and it is priceless. Yes, my mother always said I would need a housekeeper and she was right... just because I'm better doesn't mean I didn't realize I needed help.
I have actually had a woman at the Salvation Army ask me why I didn't have a yard sale instead of bringing it there.. lets see, being in my garden or a nice family weekend at the lake with my kids, Husband and dog or sitting around in nice weather selling my stuff to picky hagling strangers..(hey, I've been on the other side plenty too!!)
I keep things more organized. I may seem a little crazy with some things.. but it's my system and it works for me.. For example, no plastic containers go into the pantry closet without a lid.. if it doesn't have a lid on it, I wont use it and I wont want to search for one when I'm needing one right now. I'll give a lost container a few days on top of the washer to find it's lid and if it's lost and no luck.. it gets tossed. I admit, I get a little annoyed when hubby just tosses it all in after emptying the dishwasher and I do remind him.... as if anyone couldn't open the door and see a pattern there!!
No purchased clutter comes into the house.. I try really hard to make purchases that will have a place in my home... (now I haven't quite mastered that in the garden yet, but maybe one day!!) I am very thoughful and purposeful with what I am buying my kids for Christmas.. Does it have a million pieces? Will they actually use it? Where will it go when not being used? I always remember when buying something that no matter how good of a deal it is, there is a cost involved once you get it home.. the cost of your time to clean it, move it, take care of it, deal with it, see it, be uncomfortable with it if it's not right in my home, and live to regret spending the money on it.....
Of course we get the mail pile up but I try to make sure it doesn't go more than three days without being sorted and trashed.
I too went to the library and read all kinds of books about organization and cleaning.. I finally learned that I didn't have to keep everything that ever came through these doors and especially not because I was keeping a testament to someones former life... If anyone wanted something that badly, they should have taken it with them. I have let those old beliefs go and now, if it doesn't serve us in some way, it goes. It took a long time for us to get to that point and we are so much the better for it. I have read threads on Daves where folks have shown the chaos but are unwilling to part with anything and want life to be simple. I've tried to be helpfully suggestive, but bottom line is that if your home is in chaos, your life is in chaos.
A dear friend sent me this just the other. It is great! Some truly wise ideas :)
I love Fly Lady. Her ideas on dusting ( my daughter blesses the world now and has her own duster- the collection of model horses needs weekly dusting- she dusts more than I do) and cleaning with your kids were creative and great. I too, cannot take the emails, but I love the reminders to do things you'd never get around to once a week or so. I wish there were a watered down version, I just don't have time for all of it.
Funny Mollie :)
Yes Jenks it's really a major deal if you get all the emails and want to read them all.. but then you get the picture after a while.
Yes, flylady e-mails can be annoying but after reading a few you can fashion your own plan of action, I think.
Susan, your philosophy sounds awfully sound. One thing I did which has helped: when the lady from AmVets calls and says the truck will be in our neighborhood for donation pick ups and asks if I have anything I say 'yes' immediately, and then I make myself put together a bag of stuff (no matter how minimal) to put out each time she calls.
She now calls about every two weeks, and systematically I have cleaned out many neglected closets with just one bag at a time. Takes maybe five minutes and it makes me feel great!
The other thing I do is when I get the mail, I immediately take it into the kitchen counter and stand over the trash can and quickly dump all the advertising circulars and mailers in without even opening them. It saves so much time and I am not tempted to 'keep' coupons etc. and then just move papers from table top to desk and 're-handle- so much junkola.
Now, with Christmas coming, I am not going to bring out every little junky ornament or decoration just to set them 'out'...I'm only putting out those things that family members really care about. (I think there are too many cheap red ribbons and junky plastic ornaments in the stores and other homes already! LOL --Keep it simple and elegant, that's what I think!)
Mollie--I love the punch line on your joke. Oh, how a propos is that for all of us on DG!
Well, I'm so happy I found this forum here at DG. Already, I've learned a lot. I'm really excited about flylady and am determined to try her methods. So, I really appreciate this thread.
It has changed my life and I'm not kidding.. I have purged purged purged. I consider every purchase I bring into my home and my home stays cleaner, neater and comfortable. It's not perfect, but I'm still in the process and I'm on the right track.