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Anyone else have any growing this year? Up til I read the thick stem topic I had never heard of it. Now it appears 2 of three Samur Lily bulbs I purchased at Wal Mart last year are fasciated and maybe the third. I would love to see any other photos any of you have taken of this strange growing condition. As you can see in the Picture the one on the left has grown quite wide ...now over 2".
Oh yes...2 of them are flattened. The picture is not real clear because it was almost dark...after a rain. I will take another when the sun decides to shine. I sure hope it blooms without aborting. Especially after I found other pictures on the internet, like the one on this link. http://www.oldhousegardens.com/regalCate.asp
Fasciated stems have been very rare for me-only two in my lifetime. I am 46. The first time was when I was about 16, and I accidently got a bit of overspray of Roundup on a lily. I quickly washed as much off as I could, but assumed that was why it became fasciated at that time. I had never heard of it being a "normal" occurrence back then. Still, I am steadfast in my belief that the growth is "triggered" by something or somethings. What that is I haven't a clue, though it would only be logical that certain species/cultivars are more or less prone. I do not think it is a simple "random growth" like on Fantail willow.
P.S. You think Roundup is expensive now: you should have bought it 20 years ago!
IMHO, I think fasciations are the Siamese twins of the plant world ~ the failure of the new shoots to differentiate into 2 or 3 separate stems. Just as conjoined twins are the result of an incomplete cell division and replication. It just happens sometimes.
Not that Round-Up or tip damage won't cause mutations ~ they will ~ though it seems that those results ought to be reproducible to a degree. But I don't think I'll go around damaging my lilies to find out!
Kind of reminds me of a molar pregnancy. I had three of them, the last turned into cancer, which was easily cured. In a complete molar pregnancy, the egg has no DNA in it, so when the father's DNA fertilizes the egg, his DNA multiplies at 2.5 times the normal rate of a pregnancy. My HCG was doubling every 48 hours. Normally a complete or partial mole will miscarry and the woman never knows she is pregnant, or she miscarries and never knows the reason except that 'something wasn't right with the baby'...but every once in a while, the molar pregnancy attaches to the wall of the uterus and continues to multiply like mad. When I had my last one, I was 6-8 weeks pregnant and looked like I was 4 months pregnant.
So, I can't help but wonder if a faciated lily is not the lilium version of a molar pregnancy...
llilyfan, you hit the nail on the head! lol Something learned in the medical field is true for gardening too ~ never say "always" and never say "never". Mother Nature will remind you just who has the upper hand.
Although molar pregnancies are rare, they are more common in a person who has had one or more miscarriages of unknown etiology. AFter my second one, I went to my doc and told him abut it...he dismissed it as my womb 'sloughing its lining in one fell swoop'. It wasn't till I had the molar pregnancy that implanted that I found out the reason for my multiple miscarriages due to the fact that I passed the same kind of tissue. I would guess that most doctors never see a total molar pregnancy that implants...ironically it was an ultrasound tech in a small semi-rural hospital that figured it out when I ended up in the ER while on vacation. The ER doc had to call an onoclogist to find out how to handle it.
Anyway, it does seem to me to be a similar modality causing the faciated lilies as the moalr pregnancy...but then I have found over the years that my logic does not always follow the logic of other people. I even missed quesions on a logic problem on a mensa test because I was looking at the shapes of the letters rather than seeing the pattern in their order. Both answers were 'right'...but mine was not the one they were looking for. That is what I get for being right brained in a left brained world...LOL!
Hey, but on the molar pregnancy thing...it has made me really appreciate the one child I do have. I was on the pill when I got rpegnatn with him...and since his egg was the only viable one I had out of four pregnancies, I think he is here for a reason. My husband has a degree in statistics and at one time, I think he calcul;ated out the odds of my son's existance to be something like 1 in 2 million. Should I be calling my son 'Sir' or 'Your Highness'??????
The top bud of the one starting to split is 3" and the stalk at the split is 1 1/2". The 2nd one has a 2" bud and a 1 1/4" stalk. The third has a 1 1/2" bud and 1" stalk. I did find another odd one today. Its a runt...only about 3"-4" out of ground yet budding...maybe double...wierd.
Can't wait to see these bloom. I think it seems like the last couple years, there has been more fasciation showing up in all parts of the country, or maybe I just never noticed it before becoming a member of DG??
Not hijacking but would somebody please tell me (Dmail)why Moby's 'copyright' on her pic is so different from say - Dees just above. I like the little one better but don't know how to do it.
We had -5 frost last night and lots of my lilies are knee high or taller. Ouch. Went and sprayed early this am as tink I read somewhere that that is what is done in Florida orange groves after a frost.
We shall see.
Wow..Pretty Lily dbibb! I believe it looks like a Fata Morgana (Asiatic Double Lily). Here is link with a photo. http://www.naturehills.com/new/product/perennialsdetails.aspx?prodid=2792&ovmkt=6TL4TEQ1FFTRVQ7T1E0LAPKMGG
My 3 fasiated lilys are not doing so well. Two of the three had such wide stalks that they broke apart under the pressure of growing. Now the 2 are kinda messed up...still growing...but one bud is at 90 degrees from up and the other split so the tops of both sides are growing at 90 degrees towards each other. The 3rd smaller one might make it ...I hope. At least its pointing up yet.
Menskids..thanks for the id. It does look like that is exactly right.
I only have three lillies and all three showed this same phenomenon. The one above is obviously blooming. One will not bloom becaue one of my furrkins rubbed a little too harshly and broke the stem. But, I still have the other lily to look forward to.
On the one blooming I actually had two blooms that were hanging down like angel trumpets..they weren't broken, that was the way they were growing.
Moby.. neither of mine have gone as wild as yours though. You win the contest. :)
This last Pic is a Runt...it might be fasciated? The stem is not flat, but is extremely thick. It has loads of buds coming and appears they are circled around leaves throughout the center. I think it is a double pink bloom.
Too bad they broke off Dee. I wonder if just the weight of the extra buds could cause them to break. Moby, that one is going to be a recorded breaker it looks like. Wonder if there is a place in the Guniess Book of Records for the lily with the most buds on one stem?
Susan, I am not ruling out the weight caused them to break. I said that about the kittens because they have virtually destroyed plants (hostas mainly) in two of my beds, using the plants as their own personal jungle. :)
I can believe kittens would have a lot of fun climbing up a lily stem! My cat is not even a kitten and every once in awhile he mistakes a daylily bloom for prey. Here he is after sucessfully clawing one to death.
Nope...not staked yet. Tonight I looked at the runt(Pictured above). Guess what...It too has flat stem. But its only a double stem. It was to dark to take a picture. Maybe tomorrow. It looks like it has set about 24 buds. Its gonna be a double pink asiatic.
I also checked on the bulbs that I purchased from Walmart in the past. Every single one has bloomed as a different flower than what the package has said it was...even the pictures on the packages were different than what bloomed.
So, maybe the first 3 fasciated lilys may not be samur? This is kinda like a box of chocolates...as Forest Gump would say.
Last year I had a fasciated L. pumilum...This year it came with an initially round stem but with a very full 'tuft' of leaves at the tip...Well! The tuft has turned into fasciation again! The stem is now flattened and there are a bunch of little buds forming. Crazy. I thought it would revert
Wow. Are ever going to get some GREAT pix of Fasciated blooms.My one and only surviving pumilum bloomed yesterday - one bloom. I immediately selfed it and collected the pollen. Now I'm wondering what the use it on, when other things bloom. My first asiatic blooomed today. Honey Wind, /dont like it at all. A red/pink/yellow mixture. It is not a keeper. Not in RHS Registry. Maybe Patterson never registered it. H;mmm... Will have to look into this.
Now that Is an amazing Lily Moby!! How tall did it get...compared to a normal one?
Hey I also found a link. http://www.wrls.org/culture/fasciation.html
In this article it says that your lily is a failure...send him a picture...and make him eat his words. LOL Mick
LOL Not sure I could do that: even I said they were a 'failure to differentiate'. The gentleman did say that it was the result of good culture ~ I've never been accused of having good culture before, so I'll chalk that up to the grower that I got it from. ;)
Can't wait until I can cut the top off and dissect it ~ just to see how many blooms there were and guess at how many stems there ought to be.
This stem and the normal ones are about 3.5' and the big stem that is coming into bloom is 4'.
Well folks, here she is ~ Rosario in full bloom. I was hoping to wait for the dozen or so buds to open but we were expecting thunderstorms so I took this pic a couple of nights ago. Sure enough, 2 good rains beat the snot out of them and turned them into a big pollen mess.
Well...once again walmart was wrong...I dont believe its name is Samur. But...Its gonna be pretty! And I do believe I like it better. This is one of the 2 smaller fasicated lilies that lost most of the buds.(when the stem split) I am looking for ID...Help!
sorry to be so delayed...some of the buds aborted - 2 lower ones and a bunch of the itsy tiny ones at the top...still >30 blooms all told
Some of the flowers dropped off the bottom before the later ones opened higher up so not all were in bloom at once...
I LOVE this one!
Why did this thread end? I've just read through the whole thing, building up to the finale, and y'all just stopped. :(
I wanted to see more "final results" of the blooms and I wanted to know if "menkids" stems ever broke, or did they stand on their own under that huge strain, or did you stake them?
They are so very, overwhelmingly beautiful! Now I'm going to read the article that was mentioned to find out why this is considered a failure. Maybe if the buds drop, but not if it blooms!!
I too wonder if this could be bred into the lilies.