this is a pic of one of seeds I received from GordonHawk--thanks Gordon! I will use this thread to chronicle my growing experience. I had never seen the seeds before. The FAQ section that Clare created has lots of info on how to grow from seed.
Nery, I got some too, and those are the biggest plumeria seeds that I've ever seen. The normal size is about half that big. Happy sowing! Mine are already sitting in warm, moist soil in my mini greenhouse!
Mine have soaked and been given a lil pre sprouting cocktail.
Now they are in a covered tray of sterile soil on a heating pad.
OOOOO Im bustin to see these launch!!
IM BEGGING FOR MORE!!!!
PLEASE SEND MORE!!!
Im naming the seedlings 'Malestrom's Panama Hawk'
I hope Gordon likes it. ;^)
Nery, some people soak them instead of using the moist papertowel method. Michael will have to tell you how long he soaks them for. It is basically the same as having them in a moist warm paper towel for a few days, and when you see them start to sprout, you can stick them in potting soil. This time of year, I stick them directly into soil and mist frequently.
How is everyone's Panama White seedlings from GordonHawk doing? I noticed the strangest thing yesterday. I have them scattered all over the place -- two are in the greenhouse; two are against the house; and two are out in the yard.
The two out in the yard, which is the coldest, dampest place of the three locations, got black tip! My Singapore got black tip too. Interesting! I just snapped the tip off with my fingers and put them against the house. The others did not get black tip. This just re-enforces the theory that black tip is related to damp cold conditions as it is much warmer in the other locations. We just had some cold rain here as well. Here's a picture of them last August.
hiya Clare & Gordon. Mine are about the size of the ones in your pic. They are in the garage, itching to come out. Not all of them lost their leaves. About 1/2 of them have 2-3 leaves, while all the non-Panama plumies have none. In about another 2 weeks, I will be moving them to my patio. We had a cold spell in early Feb. which we hadn't had in 5 years (according to weather people) and my tropicals took a beating. I think they will come back but it has been a while since I've seen so many things dead. So much brown around my yard. I was spoiled.
Have been out working w/ the roses, time for some Diet 7-Up and mindless TV.
Dete, was the greenhouse consistently warm, even at night? It could be stress that causes black tip, whether cold stress or dampness or some other kind of stress. I always seem to get it in the winter or spring when it rains.
OH..I'd missed this thread before.. What fun...
Kell...oh girl.. did you get yours from Nery... you know I'd have sent them to you.. I guess I sent everyone too many of them
Nery...well they all sprouted good going there... but how could they refuse you... kindred spirit and all..
Michael...OHsorry... must have missed your request bye-mail..in a deletion flurry at some point...sorry... Idid run across a few of them the other day.. If you still wish to have more .. I'minPhilly at the flower show on Thursday.. this comming week..I can hand them off to you then.. Or resend your address.. and we can chance shipping... I'm sure they must still be kind of OK...although not weeks from the pod as before..maybe not 100% as Nery got ...but surely you should get some to grow..
Clare...AW..gee ..thanks...I'm happy to share the excitement and joy..with lovers...
Big.. yes they were...as were the trees... and such fun...climbing out on a limb..some20' in the air to snag an open pod ... with not yet launched seeds... the pods them selves... must have beem 16"long..and a good 4" wide.. my seeds are doing better than the cuttings...
All the best there ...Gordon
Here are my Panama Hawk babies this morning. They had to stay in the dark garage for almost a week while I was out of town and the nights were in the 30's; they did not like that at all and lost all their leaves. Our temps are back to normal with days in the 60's/70's and nights in the 40's/50's so they will start growing again soon.
I have given a number of them away to like minded gardeners and to several hort society plant sales.
The taller ones are about 15 1/2" with circumferences of 2". The tiniest one has black tip, I'll have to put that baby in pediatric intensive care. alice
wow. mine are a LOT smaller than yours. Mine were in garage too since about Dec. Maybe I should have watered a little more. I promise to be a better mommie in the future. Mine are sprouting leaves already though. maybe they've forgiven me...
I've let mother nature take care of the watering during the winter. Now I reeeeeaaaally want to start fertilizing but I'll be good and hold off a bit longer. Perhaps just a bit of diluted alfalfa tea now? What do you think?????
Alice, I can see the one that has black tip. You can just cut that tip off, and it will branch below the cut. The straight ones don't need a stake any longer, but the crooked ones do. I would pull up those stakes on the crooked ones and place it flush against the stem and tie it at the base with a plastic stretchy tie. Then gently pull the top portion toward the stake and tie it where you feel some tension. In a week or more, you can tighten it again until it is completely straight. It looks like the one on the far right and in the middle need that.
Forgot to say: Thanks, Gordon! It's great to see you here!
Alice... well it was my pleasure... to share these with you... and everyone.. there is an OLD tradition in my family
[ Southern ] not to thank a person for seeds or plants ...as they had little really to do with it...but to promise to grow them as best as you might..and to give thanks to God for his bounty.. I'm really just the gatherer or waterer.. just thought I'd share this old time tradition with Ya'll..kind of cute... reading the word bounty brought it back to mind...it's from back in the days when there was great dependency on what you grew or chose to give away..
Oh...Got some great news today which some might have seen posted already,, Shazz in Brisbane Australia had received some of the wild Panamaian seeds..planted back in October summer there...and they hadn't sprouted..and the import folks were blamed...perhaps irriaditing them...others were growing in the flat so it wasn't dumped...now they were just noticed to be sprouting...and overtaking the others in size..from what I understand...enclosed is a picture sent showing them... never give them up without due time.. might be a survival technique... from a tree growing naturally in a real hot area..have the seeds await cooler weather..in Oct..it was real hot there then and didn't get cool till now.. Just a thought... Gordon
can you guess which are Gordon's Wild Panamanians
LOL, my grandmother used to say the same thing; that's why I just thanked you for sharing your bounty. We were always told to word our appreciation carefully and never to say the actual words like seeds or plants. Silly old custon but awfully sweet I think.
Clare the LL i sent you produces seeds like this..
They will be average to big at first until she gets around 10+ feet then she will produce bigger pods and seeds..
Nice of gordon to share the seeds!
Ive been absent rom the forums for a bit.
Kind of hit and miss for a while.
I would have planned to meet you at the Philly Flower show had I read sooner.
Im guessing its today you are there, enjoy!
I wont be able to make it today.
Thanks for the offer.
My situation has changed somewhat due to health and the conversion of my 'basement greenhouse' to a bedroom for son #2.
My ability to care for Plumies has become somewhat restricted.
I do have a friend in Australia who is dying to try some of the Panamanian Giants.
All of mine germinated with great success and size, easily 4 times the regular size and growth rate.
I passed a few onto Lopaka in Fla.
Itll be interesting to see what all develops.
Michael...OH good..You had the joy of some of them ... and they were so cooperative for you..nothing beats experience.. and I'm sure this tree they came from.. had been at it for 100 years..
Yes..I was at the Philly flower show yesterday.. I was in and out on only 5 hours... I wanted to excerise some... just walkingabout is difficult...but to carry ..lift or twist or climb.. I can keep loose.. I was chompping at the bit to reach out and prune a weakor yellow leaf to work it out a bit... but out of 137 billion leaves... I couldn't find a brown/yellow or spotted leaf... perhaps someone had beat me to it..
Get better there... we'll catch you on another trip... I could have delivered..let me knowif you are headding this way..I think there'sanotherfew years in this location SO..pass along to me the address via d-mailof your friend in Australia..and I'll package him a gift.. stuffed w.the wild bunch.. All the best..there..Gordon
Negative on the seeds Lopaka
I sent you 1 or 2 Gordon Hawk Panamanian Giant Seedlings.
I still have 6 lol!!
I thought i was down to 4.
I gave some seedlings to Micah also.
I sent 2 seeds to my Australian buddy.
He sent a really nice mix of plumie seeds to me.
Did I also send you a cutting of MRS Malestrom?
I was really hoping you had one to track its growth for me there.
I sent one to Roger, 1 to Suki and 1 to you I believe
I also sent 1 to TX but forget who sheeesh...
Im very curious how shes doing in other parts of the country.
With heat and a longer season she must get some really cool varieties of red in her petals.
OH well... :(
Maybe ill send ya another lol!
Lol no offense bud you don't know my garden..
Right now all kinds of gardenia's and pikake (jasmine sambac's) are in full bloom along with my Michelia Alba's...
Plumies will never top those smells..
But because the plumie came from you i will put it on the highest table so i may see it when it blooms and then it will stand out among the rest..
I got inflo's coming out of my ears..
Last year was a waste because of all the rain and this year with the drought and heat i got sooo many..
Just got another box of goodies 5 of each! http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2659/200703281856it0.jpg
Madame Poni H
First of the water
S. Pum Sunshine
Dwarf Siam Yellow
Da Nai Delight
Pink Ban Na Karn
Red KaDang GHA
I just can't get over the Jasmine Sambac's..
It's like heaven the smell is out of this world..
The M.Alba mix in with that and now i am high and don't want to work on the plumies..
I was also bless with a seedpod from my quandamooka (50 total)... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/290384541_86895b1944_o.jpg
I will not giveaway or trade for those seeds because i don't want to risk losing those seeds with another grower methods..
However I just plant them in special hormones and buried them in my plugzs which Hetty nickname them Brownies.
When they sprout and get a little bigger I might give a few away..
Nice lil package bro.
All Thais from the look of the graft union eh?
The gardenia is heavenly!
No worries on the gals i sent you im sure they're happy ;)
I would treasure those Quandamookas!
That is without a doubt my favorite Oz variety and I have several Oz plumies from Brad.
I think the seedlings will be gorgeous.
I wonder whom the pollen parent wuz?
I wouldnt give any concern to a drought except where potted plumies are concerned.
I have over 200 that went over 6 months with no water and they are fine.
I kept them bone dry and also had a fan on them to prevent winter rot.
I havent lost a one to it this year yahoo!!
I just grafted several small tips like 1 and 2 inch of DSP to seedling stock.
Way too cold here yet to go out and im getting ancey lol!!
Graftamania coming up!
Quoting:Robert, I'll bet you hold the record for the most flower pots per square foot anywhere. :-)
Where do you keep all these wonderful cuttings you are rooting? It sounds like you have (or need) acres and acres of land.
noooooo.. that's Clare!
I love that night time pic. Bet they smell heavenly at night. Drooling over all the roots on those new ones.
No plumie in the world can ever compete against the night blooming jasmines but then again most plants can't either..
All of those plants and many more are for sale...
As of now 150 new and rare varieties are ready to go on ebay..
My thai friends ask me to do this as a favor and in return i get whatever i want..
I am not the seller only the caretaker and if anyone wants one of these just dmail me and when the seller or sellers tell me when they are going to post them on ebay i will tell you..
I think many will like this because no more waiting for a half dead plant from thailand but in a couple of days you will get a plumie injected with my mojo juice already growing..
No expensive shipping charges either is another point i should make :)
I am only blasting them with 2000 watts of metal halide lights 16 hours a day and injecting them with hormones and humic acids to get them back on their feet...
If you live in Texas or Cali you are risking losing your plumies by customs because they are burning many many shipments from thailand..
This is a fact because i already replace some shipments as a favor for the sellers..
No shock treatments as the plumie will be buried in pure sterile coconut fibers and her roots coated with a very expensive humic acid solution..
If these plants died on you then you are doing something terribly wrong and should think about a new hobby :)
It is now offically New Years in Thailand and they are blasting each other with water so i am guessing sometime Monday i will hear from them..