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Mine is in morning sun and shade for the rest of the day here..Most of my front flowerbed gets gray water from my kitchen and laundry water...and lots of piggy poop..ground stays moisted most of the time..
I have about maybe 10 to 20 days of weather that dips near frost but other than that..I have mild winters..
Well so far about my heat...I am having cooler breezes coming from the Anauhac Bay which is about 25 min from here...in the mornings and evenings..
RJ says its drought tolerant once established and likes it dry. His gets about 4 hrs sun from 10-2 but says he thinks it needs more because it hasn't bloomed. Mine has small blooms set--that might work this year. I'm going to gradually acclimate mine to full sun if I can. Today it got full sun until now--I just pulled it up under the eaves. Tomorrow I try until 1 pm. I got a big plastic pot for it. RJ said he's going to get one this morning--he got one last year--he lives in the Heights. I assume my biggest problem with it is going to be winter. I don't have a greenhouse and a lot of shade out back in winter. I'll try up against that reflective garage door in the front. Things don't freeze out front (southern exposure) nearly as much as out back (northern exposure). And easy to pull into garage.
Actually composted piggy poop sounds perfect--I'd like to have lots of that. I know where Anahuac is--I lived in Groves in college (graduate of 'Harvard on the Neches' here) went through there all the time going to beach. I mixed the soil up organically with a 7-7-2 Alaska fertilizer, and two other organics one a 3-5-7 and the other a 5-3-3. Now I'm glad I did exactly that--looks like it responds to your organic approach. I'm real concerned with soil over the long haul, even in pots. Now if I could just get these stores to get in some bat guano--that would be perfect as I don't have access to any pigs, horses, or cows here in the suburbs. Thanks for your info on caring for this plant! By the way; think you might come to the fall RU? Sounds like you have some neat plants!
April..just an idea where I am located... I can tell ya...there was a very bad tour bus wreck just outside of Devers that killed some girls from Westbrook high school couple months ago..I am just about 4 miles from that site...- I live 35 miles west of Beaumont where I was on the edge of the Hurricane Rita storm..I only lost the tops of two pine trees.and zillons of limbs where the trees cleaned themselves of dead limbs..lol...
Composted Mushrooms is great too..I buy bags of that stuff to help out as well..I do the layering of newspapers,organic humus,composted mushroom,play sand, and pine bark mulch that is finely shredded mixed all together and put on top of this gumbo soil..and leave that for a year...most of my flowerbeds are takes a year to do what I want it to do..
OH cool...now I know what I have!!! It grows here at the Onomea Botanical Garden...lots and lots of rain...but everything is planted in cinder soil so it drains really fast!!! Can't wait to put mine in the ground...
LOL..my grandma tells me a thought all the time ...and it works with just about anything you do...if ya look at it in different ways...3 P's of what ya want to do...
Gardening-doing a flowerbed Practice(research) + Patience(growing and learning)= Perfection(garden looks great)
Sewing-my hobby-Practice (lots of sewing) + patience (don't rush making garment)= Perfection (outfit looks great)
All my flowerbeds take a year to settle before I plant anything in it...cuz I am---(Practicing)--layering organic humus,compost mushroom,pine bark mulch,piggy poop,chicken poop,leaves, grass all on top of the ground wherever I plan to make a flowerbed..(Patience) Wait a year for them-( do 2 or 3 beds a year) settle..( Patience) Have few flowerbeds to play in next spring...lol...
Ok I potted mine and put in an area where it will get morning sun and be in shade by 1 or 2- I will watch it and make sure it is doing well. Mine had buds on it when I got it and they do look as though they are a little more open. Will keep watching...
It is quadriloculare var. brandonii
- I was going to move it this weekend, but still raining. I did check out the musical note in its location- it does have blooms on it! I think it is really liking the rain. I also went to Joshuas and bought nearly the last musical note and also added clerodendrum trichotomum to my collection. I just resqued it from the back yard...it was sitting in a couple inches of water. Hope your places are okay!
Now I have Clerodendrum bungei, Clerodendrum indicum, Clerodendrum minahassae, Clerodendrum philippinum, quadriloculare var. brandonii (varigated one), Clerodendrum quadriloculare, Clerodendrum speciosissimum, Clerodendrum thomsoniae, Clerodendrum thomsoniae detectum, and favorite Clerodendrum ugandense.
Here is what it's looking like here..I ran out to pick the new trichotomum out of the water and brought my camera.
I had good luck rooting the clerodendrum incisum in soil too. My clerodendrum ugandense is 9' tall and 5' wide now (and that's after freezing to ground level)...I like it; but one is definitely enough of them! lol
I'm out on west side north hwy 6--we have excellent drainage. I notice the parts of Houston that are flooding are the same parts that flood everytime it spits any rain. I'm never going to complain about rain in the summer--I know what the alternative is!
Right!? me either, although the news is showing some grim pictures...another episode of
"Stuck on the Highway in Houston" nightmare partII aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhscccreeeech.
I found the clerodendrums so diverese...they really are a cool species...When I was in Kauai visiting a friend, she had a shooting star in full bloom about 9 feet high..what a beauty..! I
Deb...that ugandense that froze to the ground is 9 feet high already!!?? wow
wonder if I should trim mine a bit..it is huge, but not blooming as much as last year. I read somewhere not to trim it too hard as they don't like it. They are liking this rain though.
I'll root you some--thrives on total neglect. Great tropical plant for working people. My rangoon's blooming real good too--its in full sun. If it wasn't raining (I might melt you know) I'd take a picture for you. I loved Hawaii too--esp. upland Maui--100 foot Jacaranda's in full bloom, plumerias everywhere, in the ground, huge trees in full bloom.
Really? some years it must do better than others. The sun situation changed in my yard when Rita blew through last year and knocked over the 100 yr old pecan tree next door- It gets alot more sun..not sure if that affects it or not? I did put up an umbrella over the area and it blocks about 2 hours of late afternoon sun-- one of those Thai sau paper umbrellas and it started to bloom a bit more..thinking mabe the sun exposure may have some influence.
Both my rangoon and my ugandense are in full sun--all day long. That's why I'm going to try to acclimate the clero incisum to it too..afterall the PlantFiles has a beautiful one in the Phillipines--full sun--their summers hot and humid too. It's the winter that has me worried; no greenhouse here like you. I don't mind pulling in and out a few plants...but that one I will. I think its worth it. That's what I like about plumies--just yank 'em up, shake the dirt off, find a seldom used closet. lol
edited to add: I've noticed the news media just loves disasters--and will turn something that isn't really one, into one. ;)
You know..I saw a picture of your rangoon last week, and it looked real good!! Lots of mulch? I think they take a couple of years to really get going don't you?
Panama rose..oh boy..yes ..
Is there something you like me to root for you?
Here is a pict of the varigate..as you can see- some unexpected sugar cane is weaving it's way through the pond edge. Yesterday that sugarcane was only 9inches tall - today it s 1.5 feet tall. I think I am going to take a pict everyday to see how fast it grows. anyway the varigate hasn't grown much..was leaving it there to see how well it does..the musical note is just to the right behind the umbrella plant - which paid off I guess in leaving it in place-
Looks good! I will let you know when I next come down that way. I built a butterfly garden over there at Hamilton MS (worked there in the Vanguard school--teach science) and one of our now retired team teachers has a beautiful piece of property on Lake Livingston. She brought us some sugar cane from her 'ranch' and the kids were just amazed by it...they really are clueless that so many drugs, etc. first started out as a substance found in a plant. They rain forest these kids to death in elementary school and leave out that one important fact...
I just got out and ran to the grocery store for milk and bread for the 'hordes' of teenagers that hang over here with mine all the time...streets were just fine. But I have also used it as an excuse not to go to work before too.
Everything here is heavily mulched--that's why I like big rainfalls like this..at least I know the ground underneath is getting good and wet and will stay that way for a while.
Any kinda plant you think is cool will do. Ill love it, I'm a plant collector. lol
I will look forward to your visit then!! You can come back and pick some plants! I really like Joshuas..he has really good prices for the types of plants.. I am drooling over that weeping blue ginger..it is gorgeous..
Yes..I dug my sugar can up at a friends farm as well...It took a couple of years for it to take, the the rita tree blew down and it's going crazy...I have to keep the first stalks from hanging over my arch, or the white passion flower vine nabs it...I don't work until 130pm mon-wed, then am at work at noon thu-fri, weekends off for now. I am dreading going into work today ..I work at System Operations Control Center for Continental..so we work with problems in every corner of the world.(weight and balance)..Today Newark and Houston will be a joy of tangled delays..arrrrgghh...better take some aspirin now!!
He's a nice guy too, I think. Leaves you alone to shop and accurately answers questions when you have them.
Yep I pity you--plenty of delays, but your drive will be fine unless your out of Hobby. I hate end of Dec-end of Jan; I go to work in the dark and don't get home till after dark. At least you have some morning time to see your garden every day!
this is true...alas..I work down town...so needless to say my comute can be on a bicycle if gas gets too out of control. I am considering a scooter...we're the only nation that doesn't have hundreds of scooters in the inner cities. It's time we change our ways.! Save money, buy a clerodendrum!
I bought one @ Joshua's w/ Debbie- it had buds on it so I cannot take credit, it's in morning sun, afternoon filtered shade to shade: unfortunately the background for this photo is the light, nearly white garage!
The flowers in the PlantFiles just look so much bigger...mine's doing great in pretty much full sun. Its easy to root too. Just not as exciting a flower as I expected, unusual yes, just a lot smaller than expected.
LOL...they probably are - our plants are small..Just think how big our Ugandenses get...these probably have the capability of getting as big. I had to re-asses size when I saw my friends Variegated Starburst Bush, Shooting Star Clerodendrum quadriloculare var. brandonii - in full bloom, it was about 10 feet tall and spectacular..so ...it's the garden patience time...Like I was almost ready to give up on the one I had plante..and it is really adding growth right now after the rains..
Here is a pict of mine...see the left side of the plant..that is new growth...so it's taking off right now.
RJ--is yours in the ground? My clero u freezes to ground level every year--I'm not sure how hardy this one is...everything does do better in the ground though. Yours is 2 years old--on its 2nd summer right?
Yes it is in the ground, but it is the first summer- I bought it in feb or mar I think. It is next to a tall fence and should be protected, in addition there will be lots of mulch on it during the winter..that is how I get the rubber trees to stay alive..is pile mulch and leaves on it.
okay...I admit it...I have never seen the full bloom on the insicum...I thought the note part was the bloom..I don't recall seeing a picture in the plant files...but then ..I didn't know what I was looking for.
This was so charming when I first saw it, made me want one really bad. I found one today at WM for $10...about 2' tall in a 3gal pot. You never know what you'll find there!! According to the tag it will only take down to 30 so I'll pot it and take it to a friend's greenhouse to winter.
The one I bought, that bloomed (had buds when i bought it a few weeks ago, has been in a pot w/ morning sun, afternoon shade and all this rain- anyway noticed earlier in the week during a break from the rain, that it has new buds on it so I am happy.
Might very well be in more tropical climates---ask the person in the Phillipines with it on PlantFiles.
Clerondendrums, at least the ones I know, are all vigorous growers but clerondendrum ugandense is not invasive and hasn't moved from its original position for me in the ground in the 8 years I've owned it. So they are not all invasive. But some of them definitely are.
The only one I have seen with the runners is the Clerodendrum bungei, and yes..I have noticed that 5 feet from where I planted one, another plant appeared...but the others, so far are not so invasive...
I wish my C quadrioculare was invasive, although I have noticed some rampant growth here. I saw my friends in full bloom when I was in Kauai in March..wow..wow...it was spectacular, and about 8 feet tall.
Ha--- that's the truth about brugmansias. As I have just whacked down my brug forrest, they were all too close together, and not picking up after myself like a good gardner- they are growing everywhere. The ones I have picked up and neatly placed in the mulch bin, are growing..There is a whole tree that grew in the mulch bin. I don't mind though, I keep giving them away to novice gardneres who think they are the ticket. Right now, they have slid on my list as a pestilence attractant. Next year I thin I will be doing some preventive therapy, although here, it's difficult to avoid all the pests.
Yes, they are alot smaller. I mean as big as the ugandense gets, the flowers don't get bigger. Although the stocks on the ugandense after the rain, are about a foot long, instead of the little clusters that it usually does.
I was just telling someone that buying plants after seeing picture is deceiving just because of that very reason.
I have a bungei that is pink, the leaves don't have the varigation though. It is spreading all over the place. And to think I snatched a small bit out an alley whilst walking the dog last summer. I'm still waiting for it to bloom.
I would definitely put it in a pot--all clerodendrums are 'pot bound' with me until a proclamation by the governer is issued that they are not invasive. lol
I thought that was a 'wholesale' site only--but the way I look at it I barely buy any plants except Christmas cactus between Nov and March so I can splurge the other nine months, right? I will usually stop buying stuff when they threaten to turn off the utilities...lol
LOL...yeah...that's where I'm at- My name is actually on the overtime list- a rare appearance indeed.
Not to mention, I have an entire section of growing interesting things from seeds. Right now my Papayas and orchid trees are popping up. I will email you a picture of my first bloom of the solanum wendelli...I think that is the name,
Just to let some people on here know where ya can get one.. My Paradise nursery in Dayton got some of these in... Here is the info about My Paradise nursery...I was asked about where I get some of my plants from... http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/621399/
Great pic Aloha! Mine's blooming right now--but I haven't got that great a camera--but, its a work camera so I can use it for free. You need to get that one in PlantFiles!
Has anyone got this in the ground? I'm still wondering about the invasiveness (can't trust all clero's--lol) and worried about the frost hardiness of the plant. I can wrap it in frost row cover but that can be tedious and get old when North winds blow at 30 mph and of, course its always raining too. Also usually have just put in a 12 hr day and its dark on top of it all. It's easier to take 'heroic' efforts in a pot.
I was told by the Onomea Botanical Gardens folks that it is NOT invasive. HMMMM and can it still be a Clerodendron? Time will tell. I planted 3 2' plants in a prominent place on the new road...so if they want to spread all the better!!!!
Took a bunch of cuttings and they are thriving in a large ziplock bag in the pot. I want to plant them all over!!!
MMM...did I do that??? Start this crazy craze about the Muscial Note Clerodendrum???? mmm I just inquired another one..called Clerodendrum wallichi...Beautiful!!! Can't wait for mine to grow up and bloom for me...found it at Paradise nursery in Dayton... http://www.rareflora.com/clerodendrumwa.htm
For me...C. wallichii is VERY invasive. They grew through 10 gal. pots INTO the ground and started spreading... They are beautiful tho and I love the contrast with the dark green shiney foliage and the white cascading flowers.
Rj...we were having a hurricane tomorrow, but they cancelled it!!! I ran out yesterday and fertilized everything heavily to take advantage of the rain...and now? We may get some rain from it...let's hope!
I think we have the aftermath of Daniel...nice steady drizzle. The H. coronarium is starting to bloom everywhere...smells terrific. Here that ginger is very invasive who we throw it back to the bush and it thrives but it is hard to keep out of the plantings. Control is a sometimes thing...
Habits die hard! We sailed for 6 years in the S.Pacific (Alaska/South America) so weather watching is an old habit...I know what you mean. Glad I fertilized the other day...we are getting the tail end of Daniel and will get a good dousing today...maybe 5-8 inches!!!
nooooooooo...leave them...I would like to see some. Now I need to go check mine. I put my second plant in near full sun. I also propagated a cutting, and I would have to say it was pretty easy- although it was just one small one. Didn't want to chop my plant all up.
Don't you just love how easy clero's are? I will leave them just to see what we shall see. It took 2 weeks to get all the spent blooms off the patio anyway; if I get seeds, I shall surely give you some--but I suspect you shall have a plethera of them too.
Something at night must have been very busy--sure hope it wasn't that oppossum...
Yeah my resident youngster possum and I occasionaly startle each other into a moment of frozen stares before we both head in opposite directions.
So I take it, the full sun was a rousing success for the notes!?
It's not been a problem so far--but its out back. As fall moves forward it gets shadier and shadier out there until half my yard is constant shade. The part remaining in the sun is far from water source...so we shall see how it adapts. It's already getting more shade than it did--but still mostly in full sun. My back yard faces north. Front faces south but 2 large oaks keep it pretty shady. It's still in a very big pot--I'm bringing it in on freezing nights until more info on hardiness is known.
I used a high density mixture of lava sand, composted cow manure, compost peat and composted cotton seed mulch, dash of sphangum moss, dash of alfalfa pellets containing fish emulsion, molasses. topped off with a dash of bat guanno.
take sip of chardonnay -LOL
mixture is moistened with H202, and Vitiamin B, and Maxi Crop seaweed mixed in a gallon jug.
it sounds like alot more fussin than it really is.
Yeah, I don't often use superthrive because of it's potency- I have taken alot of vitamin b before and recognize the smell in superthrive- I buy just vitamin B in a bottle now because it's alot less intense.
I agree with the seaweed- for some reason our plants in this area do not need this- the few times I do use it is in propagation, and seeds- for which it does work rather well.
Yes I love bat guano, or rather the plants do. I get all of my stuff and Southwest Fertilzer including the lava sand. I have been experimenting alot with it- It facilitates a greater exchange of nutrients to the plants roots. Just ask miss Carol alohahoya- she lives in volcano ville! -
Southwest fertilzer has a website for some of their products www.yardgeek.com
I don't use it in the GH- I have a theory that when the temperature drops below a sustained 70F, that I stop using the lava- because it keeps the water trapped too long- so The plants that go in the GH, containing lava soil- don't even get watered during the winter- especially the papayas for next year. I haven't tried crushed coral- is that the name it goes by? I RS to your dmail.
We don't use red cinder here AT ALL! No scare tactics intended...red cinder is really high in iron...so high that for planting we scour the cinder sellers to get the black cinder with the least amount of red cinder in the mix. It is getting hard to find the pure black anymore...we have a pile left over and it is only for my green house and not for the acreage. I know a grower who uses red cinder and swears it works...but most of the stuff I have bought from him has died or takes 1 to 2 years to recover.
To be honest, I'm not sure what it's from- But it is the amount that you use that is the key! I only use 1 to 2 hand fulls per entire wheel barrow of mixed medium- so again it is the amount and like anything in the plant world, the saying I have is: A little is alot!
Here is a picture of the sand- and ironically my first Hawaiin Hibiscus I brought back from march as a little itty bitty stick cutting, bloomed the first bloom today- and it has the lava sand in it. The directions say 40 lbs per 1000 square feet.
Yet another update on this plant...I've only had this plant since June 15th. It has quadrupled in size--in a pot no less. I've just given up on fertilizing it..clearly its like ugandense and your just wasting money fertilizing it--it don't need it. This is the 3rd round of flowering. Sorry about the background, I just worked 12 hours and did not feel for "posing" the plant in pretty backgrounds.
And now its got blooms and developing seed pods (from the last round of bloom) simultaneously...
clearly this plant's daddy had to be a clerodendrum. ;)
shakin' her head and rolling her eyes--lol
482 views..man this post is long...mmm..my clero wallichii is growing like weeds since it has been raining like nuts...Clero muscial notes is gonna put another show of flowers for me..Clero Boreno Sunset is just getting more and more bronze color...it likes the sun...
Yes my walichi is growing like a weed, just re-potted it.. has beautiful leaves.
The calamitosum was planted in the ground and is really starting to show growth.
The heterophyllum, trichotomum and sahelangii are also showing improved activity having been put in the ground- and after pulliing the paniculatum out of the ground and into a pot, thinking for sure it was a gonner- is showing signs of life yet.
fyi- I found the incisum fairly easy to propagate.
Yes - I have been experimenting with the Ugandense- I have propagated green branches around one and half feet long...They do pretty good in the summer weather. I have a more difficult time in the winter, unless I bring cuttings into the house.
The best time on the clero u is early spring when they are growing leaves not trying to flower---which is constantly after May for me--at least that's my experience with them. All the clero's are really easy, just some times of year are easier than others. =)
Yes miss Nadine, do you not see the clero fans watching intently, waiting for it to grow larger, so that it might propagate and fill the land?
My experience with the ugandense is during the humid season, having said that- in spring I was using old wood, not new- since there was no new and that makes a big difference at least on the ugandense. Much easier to propagate off of green.
My Clerodendrum incisum grows in full shade in my zone. Last year its blooms were overwhelming. They are about to bloom for me now. Total neglect and it is extremely prolific. I am constantly pulling up new plants. I repot those and have a sale in October to help pay for the water bill! I water once or twice a week. If it rains I don't have to worry about watering. I fertilized ONCE in the spring then let nature do the rest. I find all cleredendrums are easy to grow here under those same condition. Don't be afraid to grow them in your zone. Start out with two plants, put one in the ground in spring, keep one in a pot as back up. After winter has done its deed you will know if you can grow it in the ground in your zone.
We've been saying we don't know on this clero cultivar...but flowerjunkie is saying it does. Mine's staying in a pot until I know for sure. I don't need a clero "cashmere bouquet" disaster in my garden...I like the plant but not that well. Mine also has third set of blooms since June and covered with seed pods at the same time.
633 views..WOW...Well my cleros are all in the ground...except walichi which will be planted this weekend... Borneo Sunset too will be planted in the ground this weekend...so will see how much of a THUGS they will be for me..lol..
I had to pull my sunset out of the ground. It was dying fast, and I thought it was a goner- I put it in a pot and it is coming back with vigor! The walichi is a winter bloomer isn't it? I just upsized the pot on that, but wonder if I should plant that in the ground.
It's funny how all of our incisums bloomed 3 times all nearly the same time wherever we are at!
Which indicates to me, anyway, that it needs to be watched for invasiveness. I like the plant OK, but not near enough to risk a big garden problem down the line. It can remain in its pot where it is doing just fine.
LOL..I know what ya mean..but any plant here can grow and fill up my 5 acre yard..won't bother me a bit not to mow...lol...by the way, my musical note clero just can't seem to know when to stop blooming..Paradise Plants nursery in Dayton,Tx has a row of them all blooming at once..wonderful site of white flowers!!! Her Clero wachili are growing like nuts but still no blooms yet..will be waiting with my camera to take pics for those if she don't sell them all out by then..lol...
I haven't found C. incisa to be a thug...but the C. wallichii sure is!!! Here it blooms on and off all year. But then again...around here Coffee pulp thrown out as mulch will sprout if there are any beans at all in it...avocado seeds hidden by the dogs sprout all over the place and anything I throw in the woods keeps growing...