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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 18, 2006
3:51 AM

Post #2402865

Here is my Joepye plant with a 5'9" guy standing beside it for scale. The top of the tallest stalk can be seen just above and beside the wooden lathe ends. We estimated it at just over 10 feet. And it's only mid-June. Wow!

I just keep it watered, not fertilizer added.

Robert.

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4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

June 30, 2006
11:50 PM

Post #2452873

I like the look of that tall plant! Will you post again when it flowers? Thanks!
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:48 AM

Post #2453297

Will do. It's budding now.

R.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2006
1:29 AM

Post #2456393

Amazing. Is this the first year it's been so tall?
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
2:19 AM

Post #2456612

billyporter~

Yes. They have been tall and a couple years they weren't all that tall. But since I'm here all day right now, I can see that they stay constantly moist+. That's what did it, AFAIC.

I hope to be able to redo the bed a bit this fall. There seems to be a couple strains in there and I have others in other parts of the yard. I bought a shorter cultivar, maybe 'Gateway', but I'm not sure. Matures about 4 feet. Have some white-flowered Eupatoriums too, one of the Boneknits or Thoroughworts, but I really love the fluffy mauve clouds of these.

Robert.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2006
2:22 AM

Post #2456634

My neighbor has the chocolate one and it gets wide, but not that tall. I sure like them tho and wish I had room for one.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
3:40 AM

Post #2457006

I meant to say, yes, this is the tallest they've been.
R.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2006
11:26 AM

Post #2457438

I can't wait to see the blooms!
4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 2, 2006
7:42 PM

Post #2458960

I can hardly wait, too! I love tall, flowering plants!

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 3, 2006
7:36 PM

Post #2463062

Me too. I started a thread on that subject, but it didn't go very far.
4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 3, 2006
7:47 PM

Post #2463098

Where is the thread posted, billyporter?

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 3, 2006
8:06 PM

Post #2463176

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/585489/ I hope the link works, I'm still new at doing it.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 12, 2006
3:58 AM

Post #2495760

I measured "Big Joe" a few days ago and he was 12 feet 4 inches. He's grown some since then.

Here's his head.

Robert.

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4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2006
1:33 PM

Post #2496729

That's great!

raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 8, 2006
6:57 PM

Post #2600137

Well here's Big Joe in flower. He topped out at 13 feet 4 inches.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 8, 2006
6:58 PM

Post #2600144

Skyward Ho!

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 8, 2006
7:00 PM

Post #2600147

Tiger swallowtail samples a friend of Big Joe's.

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Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 8, 2006
8:20 PM

Post #2600462

Scary plants!LOL, mine top out at eye level with my 5'2" self. Those down in the swamp are a little taller, but nothing like that!
4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 10, 2006
1:24 AM

Post #2605414

That is fabulous! Would you share some seeds for postage when they're ready? Thanks for sharing the photo!
Laura
Janiejoy
Silver Lake, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 12, 2006
6:11 AM

Post #2613775

is yours fragrant? I read it's supposed to be but mine has no smell.
joepyeweed
Peoria, IL

August 14, 2006
2:23 PM

Post #2620912

My joe pye got so tall and top heavy that it started bending over - I let it go - just to let it be, and its hung upside down, U-shaped, since mid july. The large flower head (hanging upside down) has gone to seed. But what was interesting is that the plant has developed new flower heads pointing upwards along the mid-stem at the top of bend.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 14, 2006
5:02 PM

Post #2621431

Janiejoy~

No floral scent that I can detect, but there is a hay-like odor to the blossoms.

joepyeweed~

Mine are doing the 'Tower of Pisa" thing too. We've been having heavy rains and the downpurs form the thunderstorms make the haevy heads even heavier. I staked two of my clumps. One has held so far, but "Big Joe" has listed over to at least 45 degrees again. Will prolly go out and restake him, just so the flutterbies can have a high access.

Robert.
joepyeweed
Peoria, IL

August 14, 2006
9:25 PM

Post #2622351

I think next year I will probably keep joepye pruned so it doesn't get so tall.

I staked my NE asters to keep them from smotherings some seedlings that I started this spring. I let the joepye flop, because it wasn't smothering anything...
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 15, 2006
1:04 AM

Post #2623045

joepyeweed~

I've pinched the main tips on them lots of times and sometimes a stalk gets broken--if you haven't done this before--have no fear--they branch wonderfully. Never pinched them more than the once, but might try a second pinch next year. They bloom so late that maybe even a third pinch could work.

Robert.
joepyeweed
Peoria, IL

August 15, 2006
1:51 PM

Post #2624242

I've read that they branch out nicely when pruned. And I keep thinking I am going to do some pruning but I enjoy seeing how tall they will get too.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 14, 2008
6:43 PM

Post #5551286

Bump.

I enjoyed rereading this. I now have my own Joepye weed. It grew to about 4 1/2' from a small start. It isn't scented, but I really like it! It's in a temporary spot right now, on the east side of the garage. A volunteer phlox came with it and I threw in an ironweed too.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 16, 2008
7:27 PM

Post #5559758

Hey Billy~

Has it been two years? Wow...

Nice picture. Your plant looks like 'Gateway', a dwarf form better suited to most people's gardens with great coloring too.

Have several more "plantings" now that have volunteered here and there. All are leaning over, nearly kissing the ground now.

I moved a clump of NY Ironweed from next to the woods last year. Really likes the nicer soil and waterings in the border. Found a few volunteers here and there this season that bloomed under a foot tall. The established clump about 5 and a half feet. Definitely a "weed" worth growing.

R.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 18, 2008
6:45 PM

Post #5568733

Hi Raydio, yep, time flies when you're busy :o)

This was a seeding from I think plain old fistulosum. It has no odor, but I really like it.

I divided my ironweed into 3 chunks and it got tall this year! Last year it only got about 5'. I love it too. The caterpillars ate most of the leaves on one of them.

Ironweed with phlox

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cedar18
Lula, GA
(Zone 7b)

September 18, 2008
8:05 PM

Post #5568988

billy, great pic of your ironweed and phlox. Is that the species of P. panciulata, a magenta color, or is it a named cultivar? My similar phlox is still blooming (for months now with deadheading) but it's a problem color-wise now since the Sedum 'Autumn Joy' is by it and that rosy color does NOT work for me with the phlox. I like your ironweed with it though.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 18, 2008
8:10 PM

Post #5569007

I dug an ironweed out of a hayfield last night. What amazing roots! I put it in the long border with the goldenrod and native asters. Looks like it belongs. It's rather short, though, possible from being mowed earlier.
Leftwood
Saint Bonifacius, MN
(Zone 4a)

September 20, 2008
6:55 PM

Post #5576890

Not that it makes it any less impressive, Robert, but your Joe Pye Weed is probably Eupatorium fistulosum (Giant Joe Pye Weed). Not exactly the same as most others, like the cultivar Chocolate for instance, as documented by the difference in the inflorescence structure. Apparently "normal" height for fistulosum is about 8ft. Bravo!
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 20, 2008
7:14 PM

Post #5576952

Lefty~

That sounds right, judging by the size it regularly attains. I was never certain which species it belonged to.

Thanks
R.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 20, 2008
7:16 PM

Post #5576956

Billy~

Nice back-o-the border look with the ironweed.

Kathleen~

I was surprised at the *huge* rootmass of the clump I transplanted. Really massive!

R.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 20, 2008
7:39 PM

Post #5577043

Did yours wilt to nothing? I've watered the darn thing everyday and it still looks like death. I'm going to cut the seed heads off and distribute them around the base and hope the thing comes up from the roots next spring.
Leftwood
Saint Bonifacius, MN
(Zone 4a)

September 20, 2008
7:57 PM

Post #5577110

I also have an unknown species ironweed (Vernonia sp.) that regularly grows 8-9ft. Another butterfly magnet. It perplexes me that, with such a root system, it can still wilt before the other plants in the bed.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 20, 2008
10:36 PM

Post #5577638

Good to know, thanks. I'll go water it again!
Leftwood
Saint Bonifacius, MN
(Zone 4a)

September 21, 2008
12:13 AM

Post #5578015

I really didn't mean that: I never water that bed, but if anything wilts, it's going to be the Vernonia.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 21, 2008
10:38 AM

Post #5579462

I understand - just like to keep things very moist the first week in a new home.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 22, 2008
10:09 PM

Post #5586269

Kathleen~

My plant, although well-established now loves that regular irrigation. Guess it's used to it and wants things to continue that way. It will wilt and the foliage can burn a bit if it goes too dry for too long, being in full sun.

But-- originally, the plant was in poor rock-hard soil, on a slope, under overhanging trees so it really got none of that to speak of, and was never more than 18-24" tall. It looked bad too, but somehow managed to bloom anyway.

Joe Pye and the NY Ironweed are fabulous in full sun with constant moist-to-wet soil though, so if you have such a spot...

The Joe Pye was mostly leaning due to heavy rainstorms while blooming. Some stems straightened up a good bit, but others sayed low. Not unusual for them to lean though and staking can be called for even without the storms depending on the exposure.

R.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 22, 2008
11:36 PM

Post #5586504

Our Joe Pye never gets much above 3-4 feet. I brought it up from a creek side area. Our soil is heavy clay loam, so moisture isn't much of a problem.

I think the ironweed is going to burn out - first time all year that we've had dry weather for two weeks. But I'm pretty sure it will be back. It's in a full sun site with native asters and goldenrods. I am hoping that not being mowed on a regular basis will give it a little height next year.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

September 24, 2008
7:57 PM

Post #5594255

Cedar18, Thank you! I dug phlox from a friend's house after she passed and was delighted to see it bloom. Most of her's were shades of red violets. I have no idea whether it has a name or not. I thought it was a pretty god combo too. Now I have false dragonhead blooming in front of it. (Physostegia)

Kathleen, the first time I dug it up I understood it's name :o) I think your's will get taller. It likes water.

Radio, I had a hard time placing it. Finally, I set it here. This bed was never finished either. Nothing ever looked right. I think it's fixed now.

Kathleen, I think it will be back next spring. It's tough!
cedar18
Lula, GA
(Zone 7b)

October 4, 2008
5:38 PM

Post #5632937

Billy- Thanks for the idea. I have been jotting down what else is in the red-violet family and was going to move things around to put Salvia leucantha and Aster 'purple dome' with the magenta Phlox. They don't look the same until you put the blooms together and they do blend nicely. I have Physostegia too but had not thought of that addition. Excellent! A new grouping and all 'free' from my own garden.

I didn't realize Ironweed liked moist soil. Now noted to self! Great info here at DG.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

October 4, 2008
7:12 PM

Post #5633141

Mine is in with the dark pink NE asters, the electric blue NY asters and some goldenrod. It will be a nice contrast to the goldenrod and the pink of the asters, which are 6 feet tall.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 15, 2008
7:22 PM

Post #5675141

Cedar18, laughing, my sentiments exactly. Next year I'm not buying much, I'm going to move what I have, around. I have a lot of late blooming flowers, but all in one spot. I just walked around the other day and wrote down everything I have blooming. It's more than it looks.

Kathleen, that combo sounds beautiful!

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 15, 2008
7:28 PM

Post #5675159

I just found a close-up of the phlox in the picture above.

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Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

October 15, 2008
7:31 PM

Post #5675164

Actually, I've ripped out some of the goldenrod - taking over the planet kind of plants, but then I knew that when I let it grow (no, I didn't actually plant it there, but like the poor, goldenrod is always with us). I added a bushy aster today and got some flat-topped aster seed which will go where the goldenrod isn't. Found them back in a field right of way and decided that the farmer would just run them down, so it was a rescue of sorts. The leaves on the ironweed are toast, but the stems still look green and the seed heads continue to mature.

I probably should take notes, but then spring wouldn't be so much fun, trying to figure out how things got to where they are. It is like a treasure hunt every year: "Did I move that there, hmmm?"

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 15, 2008
7:44 PM

Post #5675194

ROTFL!! I keep a journal of all the plants I've ever had, dead or alive and if I move them, it's written down!

I love to find out I've rescued a plant!! I tried lettting wild goldenrod grow too and don't have it anymore. I haven't tried the newer ones, but I like them.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

October 16, 2008
9:47 AM

Post #5677643

There's one that's a more lemony yellow, I told Stan that if I ever bought on, that would be it and he gave me the strangest look!

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 17, 2008
5:54 PM

Post #5683842

:o) I may end up with one someday. We were at a wildflower area and I saw one that was different.

Stiff Goldenrod. Not sure if I named it that or if it's the real name.

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Leftwood
Saint Bonifacius, MN
(Zone 4a)

October 17, 2008
11:58 PM

Post #5685013

Yes, that is Stiff goldenrod, Billy. In some regions, it can have a flat top. Where I am, it begins flat, and ends almost vase shaped as the flowers continue to bloom.
Kathleen
Panama, NY
(Zone 5a)

October 18, 2008
12:13 AM

Post #5685065

I wonder if that's the one that came along with the ironweed. It's roots were so tangled in with it that I left it. It was rather flat topped.

billyporter

billyporter
Nichols, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 18, 2008
11:16 PM

Post #5688140

Thanks Leftwood. I think it's pretty. I just don't know how invasive. Being a wildflower preserve it might be a good reseeder or runner.

Kathleen, I guess you'll find out next year. Anyway, it's a bonus :o)

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