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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:44 AM

Post #2406907

L@@K What I Found . . .

Growing not far from where I live and got permission from the owner to get plants.


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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:45 AM

Post #2406909

Another Photo

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:48 AM

Post #2406924

Ipomoea pandurata CUTTING


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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:51 AM

Post #2406929

This morning at 10am that is not a good photo,
but, it IS a Bloom

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:53 AM

Post #2406933

This photo was taken at 9pm TONIGHT.
Isn't it Pretty!

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
4:56 AM

Post #2406941

Back of Bloom that also shows MORE buds

And now at almost midnight
IT IS STILL OPEN - And just starting to close.

Neat huh!
Hope I can get the cuttings to root.

Emma

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

June 19, 2006
5:02 AM

Post #2406964

Nice find Emma...the photos here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2406924
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2406941
shows the vertical ridges on the outer(!) sepals that are distinctive for Ipomoea pandurata...

A nice closeup ID photo showing both the outer and inner sepals for the PlantFiles is recommended...

Nice photos...

TTY,...

Ron
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:08 AM

Post #2406976

Hi Ron,
Ok, Be happy to add images to the PlantFiles...

Have ANOTHER Pandurata story that I'll add from a couple of weeks ago. Just need to locate the photos.

Emma
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:17 AM

Post #2406991

This is what you call DIGGING for Ipomoea pandurata


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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:18 AM

Post #2406996

One of the smaller tubers
[Never found the bottom]

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:19 AM

Post #2407000

...Still DIGGING

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:20 AM

Post #2407002

Jerry Finally stopped here, so now I have to wait to see if it will live

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:21 AM

Post #2407005

Looks like this guy is trying to climb out!

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:22 AM

Post #2407008

Just got a FEW Vines...lol

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:24 AM

Post #2407011

Didn't get any photos of blooms as they were pretty tattered from the rain that day, but did take a couple photos of the vines

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:25 AM

Post #2407020

Last photo ...

Now, to find the photos that I took of the blooms last year

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:29 AM

Post #2407029

Ipomoea pandurata
in 2004


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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:30 AM

Post #2407030

One More

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
5:30 AM

Post #2407032

Last One -

I think these MG's are just beautiful!

Emma

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

June 19, 2006
5:47 AM

Post #2407044

Emma - Nice collection of Photos...if you look very(!) closely can you see any(!) hairs anywhere on the stems,leaves or especially on any of the sepals(?)...the reason I ask is there are at least 2 different subvarieties of Ipomoea pandurata and I'm trying to see if there is a consistent correlation between the completely smooth(glabrous) types, hairy types and seed characteristics...

Let me know...

TTY,...

Ron


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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
6:12 AM

Post #2407066

Ron,
The vine appears to be more smooth, however, the leaves Front And Back, and the leaf stem are 'slightly' hairy. Actually the leaves feel soft to the touch, and with the 'OptiVisor' I was using, the leaves actually LOOK like Green Velvet.
No hairs on the sepals.
Looking at the Petals with these lenses --- they are very interesting!
They look like a textured fabric and they feel soft. Unlike any other MG petal that I've felt.

Emma
RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

June 19, 2006
7:02 AM

Post #2407105

Emma - Thanks for the feedback(!)...Is there any possiblity that a combination of the Macro feature on your camera,angle and lighting might be able to render visible the hairs present in any photos(?)...

TTY,...

Ron
Janett_D
Gamleby
Sweden
(Zone 7a)

June 19, 2006
7:20 AM

Post #2407113

Nice find Emma, how big is the flower. Isnt it fun when Christmas comes twice a year :0))
Janett

Larkie

Larkie
Camilla, GA
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
7:53 AM

Post #2407126

The woods and ditch banks on the dirt road to my house is covered with these. They are so pretty..They make huge tubers, and the flowers stay open all day.

Larkie
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
2:07 PM

Post #2407729

Janett,
This bloom seemed to be about 3", but the photo that I took of the actual plant was larger. Maybe 4". So pretty.

Ron, let me see what I can do on getting a photo and will let you know.

Larkie, yes aren't they beauties...
I will also check later on these vines to see if they produce seeds.

Larkie, do you know if the vines in your area produce seeds?

Emma


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hill5422
Stephenville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
2:44 PM

Post #2407898

Emma how blessed you are!!!! I used to have this beautiful Ipomoea growing in my backyard and I miss it. At the time I knew nothing about it other than it returned faithfully year after year with lovely blooms. Then I had a privacy fence installed a few years ago and apparently the tuber was dug up or harmed in the process as it was growing on the fence line. I sure miss my Ipomoea pandurata!!!!
hummerlou
Bedias, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
3:02 PM

Post #2407993

WOW! What a beauty!

gardener2005
Baton Rouge area, LA
(Zone 8b)

June 19, 2006
4:21 PM

Post #2408326

I love your pictures and I love the shape of the petals...very pretty!!!

Larkie

Larkie
Camilla, GA
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
6:04 PM

Post #2408699

I've never really looked for seeds.. I just know that they make huge tubers.. Tried to dig one up once, lol...I will try and watch..

Larkie
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2006
10:34 PM

Post #2409627

Thanks Larkie,

Emma
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:15 AM

Post #2411199

Ron,
Took photos this morning of the three good leaves that are left on the Ipomoea pandurata vine. Most were not good photos, but I'll post a couple in case you see something that I don't.

Emma

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:17 AM

Post #2411201

Another

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:18 AM

Post #2411202

And Another

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:20 AM

Post #2411205

One More

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:21 AM

Post #2411208

Last one

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 20, 2006
6:22 AM

Post #2411211

Cropped the last photo

Emma

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Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

June 21, 2006
2:22 AM

Post #2414445

Lovely! I particularly like the guy trying to climb out of the hole LOL!
OhioBreezy
Dundee, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 21, 2006
11:53 AM

Post #2415400

wonderful finds! great photos, congrats!
Windy
Belleville , IL
(Zone 6b)

June 21, 2006
6:18 PM

Post #2416808

You reminded me to go look for this plant again. I saw it last summer and took a piece of vine and it died. I figured it was hard to root so didn't bother getting another piece. Now that yours is ok, I think I will try again. They grow along a road we take to town in a ditch.
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 21, 2006
9:50 PM

Post #2417503

I'm not sure yet if I'll have luck with rooting my cuttings, but will keep you posted. Have another bloom on it today. Just because they are blooming doesn't mean they will root.

Ron,
I'll have a closer look at this one later today to see if there are any hairs on the leaves, doesn't look like they are on the vine.

Can't believe I'm FINALLY going to have one of these beauties in my very own yard.

Emma



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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
2:41 AM

Post #2441585

Congratulations Emma! I know what a great feeling it is to FINALLY get a plant you've admired and wanted for so long.

The "Old Man of the Earth" grows along the road I live on and in and around my yard. We are pretty dry here in the summer so they have never been particularly eye-catching due to the few blooms they have produced.

This year, I have put an arch for one to climb on and have been seeing to it that it is watered regularly, hoping to see what one will do given proper care.

I should be seeing the first blooms open in a few days and there are many coming! It should be a great show.

Here is a picture of the vine on the arch (some sort of builder's material: a narrow ladder-like strip of soldered wire). Sorry the shot isn't clearer.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
2:42 AM

Post #2441590

Here is a closer look at the buds.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
2:48 AM

Post #2441611

And Ron~

The I. Panduratas nearby have very tiny hairs all over both sides of the leaves and petioles. The leaves actually have a sort of sand-papery feel to them: not pleasantly soft like those of, say, "Velvet Leaf" or Marshmallow. Just rough.

Didn't notice if the sepals were hairy, but I'll check tomorrow. Don't have a better camera or macro (borrow this one from my brother) but I'll see if I can capture some detail for you.

Robert.

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 28, 2006
5:03 AM

Post #2442073

Robert -

Thanks for sharing.
Isn't this exciting.
Will look forward to your beautiful blooms.

Do you know if the vines in your area produce seeds?

Thanks Robert,
Emma
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
8:39 PM

Post #2444284

They do produce seeds as I find young plants here and there. I missed getting any from the vines in the yard and as I said, they were definitely on their on in a DRY season last year.

There seem to be a lot of small bees that visit them and I'll be heppin' out if they lag behind!

The first bloom opened today. Went out early and there it was.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
8:40 PM

Post #2444293

Mmmmm...

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 28, 2006
8:44 PM

Post #2444318

I meant to rotate the last pic 45 degrees clockwise...

Ron~ Here is a closer look at the buds.

The vine is LOADED! Yippeee!

The very young foliage does have a nice soft silky feel, but the mature foliage is rough. When you rub it, you can really hear it.

The bud petioles are more bristly than hairy, to the touch, anywho.

Robert.

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

June 28, 2006
10:18 PM

Post #2444678

Robert - Excellent shot of the sepals(!)...I wonder if you can zoom in any closer to show the differences of the ridges on the 3 different types of sepals

1)the 2 outer sepals - both outer side edges exposed - looks like 3 ridges with 2 grooves
2) the 2 inner sepals - both outer side edges overlapped - only 1 ridge(?)...any grooves(?)...
3)the 5th sepal with one edge overlapped and one outer edge exposed - similar to 2 outer sepals as shown on the left bud above

TTY,...

Ron
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2006
2:13 AM

Post #2445443

Ron~

I'm using my brother's old Mavica and and it doesn't seem to capture details clearly, but I'll see what I can do.

Don't want to hijack this thread or anything, so should I post them here if I get any good shots or what?

What say you EmmaGrace?

Robert.
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 29, 2006
3:16 AM

Post #2445809

Hey Robert,
Sure - Go for it!

I'd love to learn more about these beauties. Post what you like here.

Curious how they even get started!
Birds maybe?

I'm seeing more and more of them around where I live - and as many County Roads that we have in the general area, no telling where else they are.

Here is one of the photos...

Emma



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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 29, 2006
3:23 AM

Post #2445843

Here is the only other photo that I got.

You will see a different leaf in this one that is not from this vine. It is 'one of those' vines that we have around here.

Oh, and Robert. Now I don't feel so bad. Looks like NC has plenty of bugs too, just like here in Texas. They sure do love these I. pandurata vine leaves. Look at all of the holes. Probably grasshoppers.

Emma

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2006
3:39 AM

Post #2445916

OK, Emma.

Yeah, those holes! I think the ones on my vine are caused by a tiny shiny black beetle that also loves to eat the petals off of purple coneflower before they even show color! They are sneaky too: they drop off the leaf or bloomed when disturbed so they're really hard to remove. Carbaryl gets 'em every time, but there's the bees and so forth to try and save, but I use it on the foliage and on the very small buds long before ther's anything to attract a butterfly or bee.

Great luck you're having with all the pandurata!

I dug up a small root the other day too. Pencil thick and about 7" long (I broke part of itoff, accidentally). Looks like it's going to be fine.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2006
3:42 AM

Post #2445929

There used to be a lot more on the sides of the road I live on, but the county has done a lot of clearing recently and roadwork too and the areas are so disturbed and all sorts of "weeds" and things are springing up like mad that I'm not sure how they're doing this year. I'll have to go and check close up. As hardy as they are, I'm sure they'll come back and fight their way through any kind of mess to find the sun.

Robert.
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 29, 2006
3:53 AM

Post #2445972

Robert,
Yes, looks like you baby will make it.

I don't know if these around here produce seeds or not yet. I'll have to keep checking on them until I know.

Looking forward to your other photos.

Emma
Windy
Belleville , IL
(Zone 6b)

June 29, 2006
2:52 PM

Post #2447111

Where I see them it is a drop off ditch and no place to park. I will have to have my husband drop me off and take off if a car comes. It isn't a busy country road at all. Most of the locals prefer traffic, I guess.
I did go for a walk a couple years back on that road with a neighbor and came back with several ticks on my clothing. So, YUK! Look out for those.
berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2006
1:38 PM

Post #2450753

I found this MG just this morning growing near my driveway. I couldn't get down the embankment to take pics- too many bees and too much poison oak. The leaves on the plants were COVERED and eaten by Japanese beetles. Also the vines are loaded with very "un-morning-glory-like" seed pods.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:51 AM

Post #2453307

OK. The old Mavica came through for me. All it took was putting on my reading glasses and switching to to manual focus. (I'd rather look thru a viewfinder focusing...)

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:52 AM

Post #2453313

Not sure if this is the same bloom...

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:53 AM

Post #2453318

Same bloom, AFAIK.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:54 AM

Post #2453320

Same one.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:55 AM

Post #2453322

Stems.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:56 AM

Post #2453324

Leaf surface.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
1:57 AM

Post #2453327

The reverse.

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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
2:02 AM

Post #2453342

Emma~

Were the vines you found in occaisionally moist conditions? I am amazed at the size of the plants and root, especially. And in all that dry ground.

The ones I see here are on slopes in sandy loam and only get whatever rain falls in our mostly droughty summers. They are alway rather thin vines, never have seen a lush one till those you posted.

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Larkie
Camilla, GA
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
2:20 AM

Post #2453391

They seem to thrive on the dry dusty dirt roads here in southwest GA.. They are so pretty and have had so little rain this year.

larkie
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
3:08 AM

Post #2453515

Berrygirl -
What a Beauty, and you didn't even have to go out and hunt one down!
Is there any way you can take photos for us [especially Ron] to see. Interesting that you say:
'the vines are loaded with very "un-morning-glory-like" seed pods'
Because, if yours really is I. pandurata, I would LOVE to have some of your seeds, if you can make it to them. I'm thinking that the plants in my area don't produce seeds, but time will tell, and I'd like very much to get another species started growing with what I have so I too can get seeds.

And/ Or...
Robert, If you think you might be able to get one of your plants out for me, I'm POSITIVE, I will have something to send you in return, or at least pay for the postage.

Robert -
wOw!
Incredible photos. . .So vivid!
Wish my camera would do that.
Now, can't wait to hear what Ron has to say.

Emma


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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

July 1, 2006
4:49 AM

Post #2453711

Robert - The closeups are very clear and I think that out of all the photos that you posted above,that the following should be entered into the PlantFiles


http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2444318
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2453307
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2453320

Do the stems have the same 'bristly' feel as the leaves(?)...

This photo here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2453342
shows what looks to be a yellowish 'woodrose' looking seedpod developing just under the right flower...Robert,can you confirm that the yellow structure visible in the above photo is a developing seedpod(?)...

berrygirl - if there is a certain day and/or time of day,along with appropriate protective clothing,that you or a very helpful friend can capture a photo of the unusual looking seedpods, that would be very helpful to the people who are very interested in this species...if there is aplenty of the pods,maybe you can quickly snip off a small section of the vine with some seedpods attached to photograph the seedpods indoors...
Do the seedpods on yours look like the yellowish structure visible in the picture posted above by radio(?)

Emma - do all of the vines that you have also have 'bristly' feeling hairs like Roberts(?)

Ipomoea pandurata is reportedly grows best in areas that do not experience prolonged wetness,as this causes the roots to rot and that is what happened to the ones I had planted in my yard...the plants were doing good in 2 gallon containers,but when I planted them directly in the ground here,the roots decayed...as the ground water level here is very high all year round...same thing happened to the Ipomoea leptophylla I had growing here...

Keep the info flowing...

TTY,...

Ron

P.S. - soil that has a high clay content may contribute to the health of the plants as the clay affects the balance of electrically charged/ionized nutrient cation adsorbtion/absorbtion and also affects the way moisture is retained or 'repelled' from around the root environment...



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berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
4:55 AM

Post #2453718

Hi y'all.
I will try my best to get more pix tomorrow and also some seed pods. It truly is gorgeous in bloom but the foliage has been ravaged by the beetles.
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 1, 2006
5:42 AM

Post #2453771

Ron~

The yellow under the rightmost flower http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2453342
is a blossom of a Hypericum (not sure which species.) Sorry.

I'll have to go out to be certain, but as I recall it, the vine stems weren't bristly like the other parts.

My vine only started to bloom June 28. Will post pix as pods develope (crossed fingers).

EmmaGrace~

I'll be in touch. :-)

Robert.
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
5:03 PM

Post #2454861

Ron -

This vine that just shot up over the last few weeks from this tuber
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2407002

Looks like Robert's photo here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2453322
Looked at the vine with my OptiVisor
And, Yes, it does feel 'bristly' even though this is a young shoot from a mature tuber.

I am posting a photo, but it is nothing like Robert's -
My camera just doesn't have the resolution, so this is just about as close as I can get with my camera

The leaves are still pretty small, so can't tell much about them yet.

Emma

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
5:11 PM

Post #2454877

Ron -
Thanks for the planting information on the I. pandurata.

I just potted up the two small tubers I got this week, so I'd better remove them from that potting soil and go ahead and plant them in the very back of my property where I planted the others. In fact, this soil is very sandy and has not been amended at all, which is probably why the tubers are loving it there that we just planted.

Also, 'moko' in Arkansas was kind enough to send me three of his tubers [that do produce seeds] a couple of months ago, but I'm sorry to say they didn't make it, so I must contribute that to the fact that I also planted the tubers in regular potting soil.

Emma

Larkie

Larkie
Camilla, GA
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
5:49 PM

Post #2455021

This bloom is a little worn out from our 100+ degree heat today.. I think these are gonna have seed pods.. I will check back in a few days

Larkie

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EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2006
6:40 PM

Post #2455144

Larkie -

Thanks for the update...

If you do get seeds, I would love to have some of them if you can.

Emma
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
2:04 AM

Post #2456516

Ron~

I checked the stems of the pandurata here and it is a bit "bristly", not so much on the newest growth, but seems to develope as they mature. The stems closest to the ground are quite rough now, though not prickly. The "bristliness" also seems as if it is in a linear form, that is, it isn't evenly placed around the stem but seems to be in lines and those not necessarilly consistant in texture along the length of the stem between the nodes.

Hope that helps.

EmmaGrace~

I guess since we're finding out that I.pandurata is found almost exclusively in dry well-drained soils, that huge root you uncovered must be many-many years old. What an OLD Man of the Earth!

Robert.

EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 2, 2006
3:58 AM

Post #2457054

Robert -
Very interesting that the tuber that Jerry huffed and puffed to dig up for me is many-many years old.

Can't wait for this 'Old-Man' to bloom.

Emma
Windy
Belleville , IL
(Zone 6b)

July 2, 2006
3:36 PM

Post #2458099

The I pandurata I spy are on the sides of the road a bit back from the ditches. They stay open later in the day, but not all afternoon either.
berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
5:50 PM

Post #2458543

Here's some pix- they're not very good I'm afraid. By the time I got there, the blooms had already closed up.

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berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
5:52 PM

Post #2458554

#2

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berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
5:53 PM

Post #2458565

#3

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berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2006
5:55 PM

Post #2458572

#4

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RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

July 2, 2006
10:15 PM

Post #2459314

berrygirl - your photos are interesting for 2 distinct reasons as your photos are the only ones so far in this thread that show Ipomoea pandurata including

1) the sepals to have a purplish-red pigmentation on the sepals...cyano-pigmentation is often a partial defence against herbivores...

2) large ants on the sepals...Ipomoea pandurata is one of the MG's that have what is known as extra-floral nectaries(EFN) on the sepals...these type of nectaries are produced on plant parts outside of the more usual floral nectaries inside of the flower...the EFN's are most often visited by pugnacious ants and other Hymenoptera that feed on the nectar produced and have been documented to repel herbivorious insects,although this type of protection from herbivores is not completly effective,the plants equiped with EFN's are better protected that if they didn't have EFN's...hummingbirds have been photographed feeding on the EFN's of Ipomoea carnea which has the most developed EFN's of any MG species...

Emma - Robert mentioned having better success with focusing on closeups by using a manual focus here
"''The old Mavica came through for me. All it took was putting on my reading glasses and switching to to manual focus. (I'd rather look thru a viewfinder focusing...)"

You may want to try his method"...

Generally speaking,considering that the species epithet is 'pandurata',one would think that true pandurate leaves would be more common(!?)...

Ipomoea pandurata showing somewhat pandurate/fiddle shaped leaves
http://www.duc.auburn.edu/~deancar/wfnotes/wdpot.htm
http://wildflowers.jdcc.edu/Wild Potato8.html

Larkie - it looks like your plant is producing some almost fiddle shaped leaves in your photo here
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2455021
Can you get any closeups of those 'pandurate' leaves(?)...


Fiddle or 'nose' shaped leaves as presenting on an Ipomoea nil
http://www.exot-nutz-zier.de/images/prod_images/Ipomoea_nil_Hisagoba2.jpg

Ipomoea pandurata seeds photo link
http://muextension.missouri.edu/explore/images/ipm1023bigrootmorningglory.jpg

The following link mentions the rare Morning Glory Bee Cemolobus ipomoea a rare species of Bee that has been found only on Ipomoea pandurata and some other Convolvulaceae species
Cemolobus ipomoea Rb. was found only on Ipomoea pandurata by Robertson, on which he listed it as abundant; he speculated that it was an oligolege...collected this bee only on that plant. Any sampling effort ignoring this plant would most likely miss this bee. .Today, this species is generally considered rare (Michener et al. 1994:156).
http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/savanna/plants/ws_potato.htm


TTY,...

Ron




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raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 5, 2006
4:08 AM

Post #2468784

So far, the "pods" are yellowing and dropping. :-(((

I'll keep watching for good ones.

Is this vine known to be a poor seeder?

Robert.
RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

July 6, 2006
11:31 AM

Post #2473524

Robert - The degree of plant intra-infertility/fertility and inter-infertility/fertility in Ipomoea pandurata is directly related to the degree of genetic diversity present in the plants...Ipomoea pandurata plants that have greater diversity in the genetics have alot higher intra and inter plant fertilty...

So,Ipomoea pandurata can be a very prolific seeder or a very poor seeder based on the genetic diversity of the individual or groups of individuals in question...

The remedy for low genetic diversity is to increase(!) the genetic diversity of the pollen available by planting new plants, that originated from other areas, amongst your group ...and as long as the new plants are not too(!) closely related,the proteins displayed on the pollen will be different enough to increase the seed production...

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Jul 7, 2006 8:42 PM
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 7, 2006
4:08 AM

Post #2476908

Ron~

I've been watching all the other vines for signs of blooming, but none seem to be near that point. I looked at the roadside where the county clearcut for the larger vines that were there, but I couldn't see any amongst the adventitious "weeds" that have sprung up mightily in the bare ground.

Here's a lovely bug that I think is the one responsible for the holes in the pandurata leaves.

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dbarron
Hindsville, AR
(Zone 6b)

July 21, 2006
2:41 AM

Post #2529371

Well, I just had to post to this thread that I searched out...I also want to find some pandurata seed and hope to remember this year. It's very prolific here in NE Oklahoma...there have to be seeding populations.
Here, it grows in more moisture retentive areas...because we're much drier than you folks out east.
I also have leptophylla seedlings...that's are now 4 years old...I'm thinking next year is the year they bloom (they're over a foot high this year).
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 29, 2007
3:55 AM

Post #3133660

Bumping the Thread...

. . . berrygirl, did you ever have luck getting seeds from those awesome blooms?

Emma
raydio
Bessemer City, NC
(Zone 7b)

January 29, 2007
1:13 PM

Post #3134327

EmmaGrace~

My 2-cents:

I didn't get a single seed set on mine despite my efforts to pollinate them using pollen from different plants. Will have to get some from further away in hopes that they aren't too closely related.

Wonder if we could all exchange pollens this summer? It might help.

Robert.
ByndeweedBeth
scio, oregon, OR
(Zone 8a)

January 29, 2007
3:39 PM

Post #3134852

That must be fun to find them growing wild!
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 29, 2007
4:14 PM

Post #3135009

Robert, sounds like a great idea to me,
and Yes, Beth - these are really Gorgeous Blooming Vines.

Emma
berrygirl
Braselton, GA
(Zone 7b)

January 29, 2007
9:44 PM

Post #3136075

Emma,
No I didn't. I waited too long and the highway crew came by and bushogged them all down. But no fear- hopefully the will be back as I've saw them in that same place for several yrs now.
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 29, 2007
10:56 PM

Post #3136380

Oh, too bad berrygirl - hopefully you will have luck getting seeds this year.
Thanks,
Emma
RON_CONVOLVULACEAE
Netcong, NJ
(Zone 5b)

January 30, 2007
6:54 AM

Post #3137519

berrygirl - You can take cuttings from the plants >root them and plant them in a different spot that will allow them to produce mature seedpods...

TTY,...

Ron
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 20, 2009
7:26 PM

Post #6969267

Joseph,

I will be happy to send you some of my seeds.
I am thinking this MG will be hardy for you.

Emma

Here are some of my blooms from this morning

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Rareseedman
Birmingham
United Kingdom

August 20, 2009
8:08 PM

Post #6969396

Emma - reference your digging up tubers http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/616723/ taking tubers from the wild can be illegal and members could be in trouble L@@K here

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1029552/

Motorists should not dig up clumps of flowers or drive over them so that others can enjoy them also.

TTY...

Ray


This message was edited Aug 20, 2009 7:36 PM
imzadi
Jackson, SC
(Zone 8a)

August 20, 2009
10:53 PM

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This message was edited Aug 20, 2009 7:44 PM

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

August 26, 2009
12:14 PM

Post #6989738

Emma, those are beautiful... I wish I could have gotten some when I was out in the country with Bonnie. Please save me some seeds or a tuber, I will be glad to buy them, since Jackies are few and far in between. I don't worry too much about the legalities of things, I am a gardener...
EmmaGrace
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
12:26 PM

Post #6989773

Hi Debra,

I will be happy to share some of my seeds with you and will send them to you when I send Jackies which will be within a week or so. I am out the door in a few minutes headed to Houston for a week.

Emma
ransom3
Zephyrhills, FL

March 26, 2011
8:31 PM

Post #8452489

Debra, where did the I. pandurata seeds originate that you sent me?

joeswife

joeswife
(Debra) Derby, KS
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2011
9:35 PM

Post #8452556

Rex, From Burlingame, Kansas across from the burlingame river along a long pasture fence line.. usa they are native I.Panduratas..I found them the year before last, and then went back again this past fall to gather seeds..
Since then I have sent them out everywhere..

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