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Geraniums, Pelargoniums and Erodiums: Hardy Geranium resource links, info, and pics?

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 22, 2006
1:45 AM

Post #2418298


Since the 'Geraniaceae and Friends' forum has been reintroduced (Yea!!), some DGers might find this very nice website on the genus geranium which has been created by Andrew Norton who holds a National Collection geraniums in England.

http://www.hardygeraniums.com/about_geraniums.htm

Unfortunately, he doesn't have much on his site about propagation and hardy geranium culture which is what I am interested in this summer but still, lots of good pics and links.

Here is the link for the University of Georgia Hardy Geranium trial garden results--

http://ugatrial.hort.uga.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=2915

And when I googled, this long list of links came up with many interesting international sites for both pelargoniums and geraniums.

http://www.pelargonium.net/gclinks.html

And here's a GW thread with lots of comments about the various hardy geranium cultivars.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farnorth/msg071456565338.html

I would like to see some pics of hardy geraniums growing in the garden. Anybody have success with them?


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beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

June 22, 2006
4:43 AM

Post #2419009

This is my Jolly Bee about a week ago. It's not in full bloom yet and goes all the way up until frost. Not the greatest picture. I'm just learning to use a digi.

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momcat
northeast, IL
(Zone 5a)

June 23, 2006
7:35 PM

Post #2424933

There's lots of pics on Mark's site. He was a subscriber for years, don't know what happened to him, just kind of disappeared from DG. http://www.marksgardenplants.com/

Deb
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

June 23, 2006
8:09 PM

Post #2425032


Yes, I was sorry to hear Mark 'bowed out' of DG. He is/was an avid hardy geranium collector and had some wonderful photo catalogs of the various plants. I believe he was working on a book about hardy geranium, too.

Don't exactly know what happened to him either. Or 'Psilo', another very knowledgeable DGer who loved h.g.s.

Perhaps they will show up again.

EFGeorgia1
Lizella, GA
(Zone 8a)

June 24, 2006
2:47 AM

Post #2426310

thanks Tabasco, will check out this site.. Elaine
kbaumle
Northwest, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 28, 2006
3:21 AM

Post #2441783

'Striatum'

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kbaumle
Northwest, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 28, 2006
3:22 AM

Post #2441790

'Rozanne'

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bootandall

bootandall
Blenheim
New Zealand


June 28, 2006
4:55 AM

Post #2442063

They both look lovely,
DanceyTx
Midway, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 21, 2006
10:13 PM

Post #2532315

I have two Rozanne geraniums in my garden. Can this plant stay in the ground in zone 8b? Or need winter shelter.
Lin
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 21, 2006
10:50 PM

Post #2532444


dancey, I think they will be fine. Mine have over-wintered in ground here in 6A. I usually try to give them some mulch but you may not have to do that. t.
kbaumle
Northwest, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2006
1:58 AM

Post #2533110

Oh goodness, mine do fine here in zone 5b. And I don't do anything special.
Allison_FL
Dunedin, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 22, 2006
2:22 AM

Post #2533202

Judy WOW those are beautiful !
Everyone elses flowers are beautiful too
beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

July 22, 2006
2:49 PM

Post #2534146

I put a thread out on the European forum that this forum was back and on the Annuals forum too. I don't understand why more people aren't posting. All of Mark's weblinks are still intact, but I don't see him posting anywhere. Seems like something happened in 2004 that everyone just stopped posting. What a loss of knowledge. I went back and started reading this forum from the beginning and have throughly enjoyed seeing all the lovely plants.
DanceyTx
Midway, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 22, 2006
4:22 PM

Post #2534437

Geraniums is a new flower plant for me and I don't know much about them. So I'm learning from everyone else. I don't know which ones need to be overwintered and which ones don't.

I'm glad to know my Roxanne can stay in the garden bed through winter. I would love to get some scented geraniums for my garden here close to the front porch.

Lin
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2006
9:30 PM

Post #2535438


And Psilo was so knowledgeable about h. geraniums, always active on the forum, but I believe she has turned her attentions elsewhere.

I love 'jolly bee'. One of my favorites along with 'Orion'.

Last year I had perhaps 20 or 30 kinds of hardy geraniums, but, apparently they weren't so hardy here--now I am reduced to about 10 kinds. I would like to make more Orions, but I'm not quite sure of the best way.
beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

July 23, 2006
12:08 AM

Post #2535806

Dancey, hardy geraniums can overwinter in your garden bed. The Pelargoniums or pot geraniums need winter protection, but can easily be stored indoors either in their pots or bare root. The scented ones are not hardy.
DanceyTx
Midway, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 24, 2006
12:31 AM

Post #2539572

Thank you Beaker. I made myself a note of this so I won't forget it. ;)
Lin
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 25, 2006
11:05 PM

Post #2547918

I went out this evening to try to identify my HGs but several look very much alike to me.

I was somewhat heartened to know that the people at the U. Georgia HG trial gardens can't tell them apart without labels too.

Three in our garden, 'Brookside', 'Rozanne', and 'Jolly Bee', are difficult for me to tell apart except for bloom times but I love to plant them around the daylilies and hostas, too. They sort of twine around and serve as a contrast ground cover.

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beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

July 25, 2006
11:09 PM

Post #2547932

Way back when in this forum, someone said that Jolly Bee and Rozanne are the exact same plant. Mark I believe. They bloom at different times? Are they planted in similar sun conditions?
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 25, 2006
11:33 PM

Post #2548024


beaker--yes, I have read that they are from the same crosses, too. That rumor may have something to do with Alan Bloom trademarking 'Rozanne' with a plant patent restricting propagation so those not willing to pay the price to him have developed the "Jolly Bee" using the same parents...just a thought. At any rate they are very similar if not the same.

I looked at the University of Georgia trial results and they give the two cultivars slightly different bloom time and scores.

http://ugatrial.hort.uga.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=3462

I'm interested in the U. of GA results because their climate is hot and humid like ours and much of what is written about HG culture comes from England and I'm finding doesn't apply here in Cincinnati.

BTW For anyone interested in write-ups on the various hardy geraniums, Paghat gives a lot of background and detail on the various cutivars and she gardens in the PNW.

http://www.paghat.com/garden4.html

Here is my "Max Frei"--after the first flush in late May blooms are sparse in July and August. Still pretty, though.

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sueone
Weymouth, Dorset
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2006
7:28 AM

Post #2557932

Hi folks, I'm from the european gang, and am glad this forums back.
As you say it's ashame about Mark and Psilo not being here any more, they wer agreat help in identifying some of my geraniums.

I have a habit of buying packets of mixed seeds, then have the delight of trying to see whats what when they grow.I have bought a couple of the geranium books to help, but found them a bit complicated, nothing like a bit of hands on experience.My biggest problem is that I have an absolutely rubbish short-term memory, I keep meaning to labels the plants as soon someone identifies them for me, but then I forget to do that to...LOL

I bought a Jolly Bee last spring, and the woman at the nursey told me that it was the better plant of the two, apart from being way cheaper.

Another one I do well with is G madarense, it seeds itself all over in my large brown envelopes over the seed heads out there hoping that I'll get some that way.
sueone
Weymouth, Dorset
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2006
7:30 AM

Post #2557933

My Jolly Bee, I love it because it winds its way through all the other plants

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sueone
Weymouth, Dorset
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2006
7:32 AM

Post #2557935

Pic of Madarens in flower.I saw these on the Isles of Scily growing in the wild, just beautiful

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sueone
Weymouth, Dorset
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2006
7:34 AM

Post #2557936

this is one of the dark-leaved forms that I've bought, but for some reason they struggle in my garden, one of them has succumbed to mildrew, don't know if it'll return next year, fingers croseed

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kbaumle
Northwest, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 28, 2006
4:55 PM

Post #2559283

sueone, what beautiful Euphorbia you have!!
beaker_ch
Columbia Heights, MN
(Zone 4a)

July 28, 2006
10:17 PM

Post #2560424

Welcome Sueone, I am so glad you found us.

OK, now I'm showing my ignorance, I know Jolly Bee is a hardy, but which one is the Euphorbia? To tell the truth, I had never heard of Euphorbia before I found this forum. Can someone tell me a little about its culture? Is this typically a garden or pot plant? If it's a garden plant like the hardy geraniums, it probably is too tender for my zone.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 29, 2006
12:59 PM

Post #2562543


I think kbaumle is referring to the 'spurge' behind the 'madarens'.

http://www.euphorbia-international.org/ They are getting more popular, too.

tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 29, 2006
1:11 PM

Post #2562557



Sueone-- I love the dark leaved geranium--

I haven't seen any of those in nurseries around here. In fact, I haven't seen many h.g.'s available locally this summer compared to three or four years ago...

Maybe I will try your seed packet propagation idea--it might be fun to have some original seedlings in the garden. I wonder if they are difficult to germinate...

It's interesting to know about the "Jolly Bee" opinion too. I think I agree with your nursery woman!



sueone
Weymouth, Dorset
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2006
7:24 AM

Post #2569684

Hi beaker, the euphorbias do well in my garden , another plant that seeds itself around. That one is Euphorbia characias,maybe be wulfenii (one has dark eyes, one light) again grown from a pack of mixed Euphorbias, so's that half of them I can't identify...LOL.One that I could and absolutely adore is E mellifera, the honey spurge, the smell in the spring is literally like honey on the breeze, this is a slightly more tender one, but as I'm on the south coast ,so far it's done well here.

Tabasco, there are quite a few dark-leaved forms here, but from what I've seen of them, they don't seem to grow as well as the green -leaved ones, they're always straggly, and another one that I bought went staright down to mildew, think I've lost it permenantly...

Geranium seeds seem to germinate really well, I've never had a problem with mine.A lot of my perrenials I'll sow now until about end of September, and just leave them in the cold frame.If they germinate quickly and grow away fast,I'll pot them on this side of winter, if not i just leave the trays till spring, and pot them on then.It means that a lot of them will be big enough to flower next year then.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 31, 2006
2:12 PM

Post #2570257



Thanks for those details on germinating HGs, sueone.

I was looking up seeds on the internet--looks like Chiltern's has a wide variety, but I am not sure they ship stateside anymore. Maybe I'll try to order a few and see what they say!
Specialty Perennials has a nice but limited seed collection here too.

I would like to propagate "Orion" but I suppose I will have to do that by dividing the one plant I have. Or maybe root cuttings. And also "Jolly Bee".

bootandall

bootandall
Blenheim
New Zealand


August 1, 2006
2:25 AM

Post #2572977

Great thread great info
rannveig

(Zone 5a)

September 1, 2006
9:18 AM

Post #2680941

I bought seed from Thompson&Morgan last year called 'Purple Haze' . I got a few dark leaved plants as well as green leaved ones from it (you can just throw the green leaved ones out if don't want them). They haven't flowered yet but look good. T&M ships worldwide - and their shipping fees are low!

rannveig
Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


September 9, 2006
5:05 AM

Post #2704983

Chilterns shipped to the US as of last spring. As for Purple Haze, mine has a lovely blue flower on it. I can't recall if I got the seed from T&M or in trade, but not all of my seeds produced the dark foliage plants, but a fair amount.
rannveig

(Zone 5a)

September 9, 2006
11:42 AM

Post #2705350

Same here - about half the plants have dark foliage - the other half is the typical green.
Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


September 9, 2006
4:32 PM

Post #2706001

Ah, well, green is good, too.
bbinnj
West Orange, NJ
(Zone 6a)

October 16, 2006
3:46 PM

Post #2822015

Tabasco, what is the name of the geranium you show in the first post of this thread please? Thanks.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

December 20, 2006
10:10 PM

Post #3014863



bbinnj-- probably Orion or Rozanne or Jolly Bee.

They all look pretty much alike to me, but Orion has a slightly different bloom schedule in my garden, at least.
jackiescompost
Mission Viejo, CA
(Zone 10a)

July 2, 2007
9:13 PM

Post #3687166

I realize this is a rather old thread but thought this was the best place to post a link to information about growing hardy geraniums that I just came across on the internet. The article is called "Growing Hardy Geraniums" by Dr. Michael Hickman from the Devonian Botanic Garden with some interesting explanations for naming geraniums (i.e., 'bloody cranesbill'). The link is http://www.devonian.ualberta.ca/getgro33.html The article contains some very nice photos.

Jackie

tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

July 2, 2007
9:32 PM

Post #3687234

jackie--thanks for posting the link. Thanks for posting this excellent summary of the many h. g's on the market now.

This year mine are expecially floriferous and I love 'em! Wish I had more!
jackiescompost
Mission Viejo, CA
(Zone 10a)

July 3, 2007
7:04 AM

Post #3689177

I went out today and added more Rozanne's to our collection of ground covers we just planted. We also have himalayense for ground covers (not yet planted - still debating on whether or not we will use them). I've attached a photo of a variety we've had around the mailboxes for years (they were there when we moved in 8 years ago). When they bloomed, they were very pretty. But they were hard to maintain and usually overgrown. We recently removed those and are putting in the others in hopes they will be easier to control. However, we still have a batch of the "mailbox" variety elsewhere in the yard. For now.

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Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


July 9, 2007
7:07 PM

Post #3715569

This is the time of year when our local hardy geranium is in bloom... geranium erianthum. It is a familiar sight along roadsides or anywhere that it can find some sun. It self seeds nicely and adapts well to cultivation.

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roybird
Santa Fe, NM

July 20, 2007
4:42 AM

Post #3757661

Hi. I have what I think are "Johnson's Blue" geraniums; spreading themselves all over the garden this year now that we are not having a severe drought for a change. I also have some hot pink or magenta ones that bloom in the spring. When these cranesbill get seedy, as they are now, how far can I cut them back without hurting them? I have never been sure on this.
Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


July 20, 2007
5:15 AM

Post #3757717

True Johnson's Blue are sterile and don't make seeds. I should think you can cut them back quite short, as long as you leave a bit of growth above ground.
roybird
Santa Fe, NM

July 22, 2007
9:47 PM

Post #3766543

Hmmm. I wonder what these are? Maybe the Johnson's Blue crossed with the magenta one, whatever it is.
Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


July 23, 2007
6:11 PM

Post #3769476

There are lots of lovely blue geranium besides the Johnson's Blue. I believe mine are a true Johnson's Blue, because they never set seed. Two plants were given to me by a friend when she divided her plant. It seems to be a much shorter and more rambling plant than the G. pratense I have, and it has really intense blue flowers. Some of my blue G. pratense can be as tall as 36-40", and some of them have a very blue bloom, as well. Here is a photo of my Johnson's Blue in early July. Your pink is probably G. sanguineum, and I don't know if the two could cross pollinate, or if the J. Blue can do so.

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roybird
Santa Fe, NM

July 24, 2007
8:27 PM

Post #3774479

Yeah, those are a brighter blue. The original plant, sold to me years ago was supposedly Johnson's Blue. But, who knows what it really is. We do have wild cranesbill here but it seems more lavender or white. Right now mine is out of bloom and cut back. Thanks for the advice.
Weezingreens
Seward, AK
(Zone 3b)


July 26, 2007
7:26 PM

Post #3782582

Yes, it seems there are hardy geraniums for every climate. Our wild cranesbill is a soft lavender blue, but varies a bit. I've found all the G. pratense do well here, but some of the others seem reliable, as well. I've traded and purchased several different species and started them from seed.

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