I'll take some pics today. Here's a link to my other thread in the meantime: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/606901/ I can't add any more threads or information to the sticky FAQ's thread even though I'd like to. I have to email Terry about that. I think she probably saw how big it is and decided to keep it from getting any bigger! LOL!
In some of my threads from my old gaming forums i ran we had 340+ pages on some of them alone :O
As long as their are no hugh pics this forum or shall i say server that this forum resides on should be able to take alot..
The forums loads pretty fast for all these topics and i don't mean just the plumie section so that tells me alot about the server and how the forum was coded..
This is why they have a 1 pic limit on any new post and why they don't have sigs and avatars..
I don't think the thread size was the problem. The post size is the problem for editing purposes, I think. The thread is locked just so it will remain a FAQ sticky and not a thread for chatting purposes.
Michael, I haven't had a chance to go take pics yet so I'll post some of the ones that I've taken. Here is one that I was a bit concerned about because it looked like the cambium was swelling and was going to form roots at the junction. Kukiat advised me to put it in the sun, and it would heal over, and it has.
I just realized that picture is a bit blurry so sorry about that. Here is my multi-grafted tree. Ten out of the eleven branches are grafted now, and two of them are still healing. Two of them failed and had to be re-grafted.
Here is one that I was concerned about. It joined together, and the scion grew leaves, but the gap looked a little too wide to me. This was the result of the two pieces not being held tightly enough together. I used the nylon rope that Kukiat sent me to re-wrap the union so that the two pieces will be forced to grow closer together.
I have one that is somewhat loose as well
Maybe fused only on 1/2 of the contact surfaces.
If I tie it again and wait will it readhere?
I dont mind if the single grafts root at the union.
Im grafting many just to stop them from rotting while rooting lol!
If they root ill remove them and let them be their own plant
Unless of course it is an inferior plant and needs a healthy root stock to survive.
Your work looks great Clare thanks for sharing all those great photos!!
Congratulations on your successes.
Im doing more now lol!!
Michael, there were some of mine that were definitely not being held tightly enough together, and they got pushed apart as they joined together. I am trying to make sure now that there is a enough tape pressure to keep the two pieces in place as they join together.
I had a Thai one that was half rotted and half attached. I broke it off and regrafted it again. If it is attached and if the wood is healthy, I would leave it be, but you can tie them together so that the root stock will not continue to push the scion further up. Tying them together for a while should close the distance between them...I think.
Thank you, Michael, and you are to be congratulated as well! We persevered, and that is why we have been successful. I owe a lot to my grafting mentor, Kukiat. I would never have been confident enough to try grafting had it not been for his encouragement and guidance, and I am grateful to him. I have a lot of plumies now that I was able to save that were rotting. I probably would have lost them, if I had not grafted them, so I am happy to have this skill now. Kukiat is encouraging me to try bud grafting, but I am a little too nervous for that yet! More pictures to come...
Also, congrats on continuing as a Dave's member and happy anniversary! LOL!
Michael, I took some pictures today, but some came out blurry so I won't cause people eye strain by posting those. Here are a couple though. This one is just a little fella and a teeny bit on the blurry side.
Great job Clare!!
Im glad to see you are employing the 'string' method
Ill try that next.
My best unions have come from electric tape so far.
I love the teflon tape for handling and stretchability.
I do believe the string will be superior.
I plant to try bud grafting very soon
I need to look it over again before diving in.
I also plan to try somethiing new.
I am going to remove the bark from a cutting, maybe about 4 inches wide
Then ill graft it to another cuttings tip end to see if it pproduces anything.
Just another mad idea heh...
I think for the root stock out growing the scion you can purchase a growth inhibiting horemone.
I plan on spraying my whole multi tree with it so it grows very slow.
Otherwise we could have a very unbalanced tree
I do prefer to keep it small anyway as I have to carry it twice a year.
Michael, I got the string/nylon rope from Kukiat. He uses it on his grafts, and he wraps it around and around very tightly but not too tightly. The electric tape works well for me also. I may have to get some Bonzai soon as well.
Gymgirl, please see this link: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/599185/ Grafting information is at the bottom of the page. A lot of information and related threads about grafting are there, including why grafting is necessary sometimes.
Grafting is an art that allows a person to attach one sepecies of plumie to another in order to prevent rotting while rooting
It can also be done for kicks.
I have a 9 tip celadine that im grafting my favorite plumies into
Mrs. Malestrom, Giant Aussie Orange, Madame Poni, so far
Several more to go..
Ill have a multi tree of my favorites that I will treat with a growth inhibiting horemone so it stays small.
Also they flower at different times so hopefully this tree will always put on a show.
I really just graft out of desperation not to lose my cuttings. I mainly try to root my cuttings, but when they start to rot or looking like they won't root or take a really long time to start to root, I graft them. It's a great way to save cuttings that you might otherwise lose, and I've lost a few!
I've read the grafting threads and I see how to do it but have a question. Can you graft them onto a large tree to get multiple blooms of different colors? Or do you have to use a small rootstock and graft the cutting onto it. I have an enormous tree, well over 30 years old. I would like to graft some others onto some of the higher limbs.
Does not make any difference but the graft does have to stay dry other wise its not going to make it check out the plant clare from calf. did it was amazing read her threads she was the queen of plumies had her stuff toegther she did a small tree with about 8 different cultiars and she showed it when it was in bloom way cool
This is an old thread, but in answer to your question, yes, you can graft different cultivars onto an existing large tree; however, it may be difficult for the graft to take for a couple of reasons.
First, newer (green) wood is best because it is actively growing during the growing season, and you need that active growth for the root stock and scion to form a union. Large trees tend to have older wood which may not make the best root stock. A young tree would be the best root stock if you were to graft different cultivars onto it.
Another consideration has to do with growth habit. That multi-grafted tree that I have above that was grafted in 2006 with 11 different cultivars is now a much bigger tree here in 2011, and the growth habit of each of those cultivars is different, making for a very awkward and uneven looking tree. A few cultivars that are grafted on it are taking over while others are slower-growing and/or more compact and are hidden. I have realized that it is best to try and match the growth habit of the different scions for the best result.
The eleven different cultivars don't bloom at the same time either. I think maybe I've had three blooming at the same time on average.
I have several multi-grafted trees, and I've come to realize that I almost prefer to keep one cultivar to one tree for the best health of the trees, but that is just my preference.
Here is the multi-grafted tree today. Right now, there are three finishing up with another two or three inflo's still coming in. The ones blooming are Jeannie Moragne, Jana's Curly Pink, and Peach Glow Shell.
I remember the first one you did thought it was very cool they have that problem with fruit trees graft 3-4 different to 1 tree nothing seems to have the same growth habits. And you end up with odd lopsided trees I would just prune still think its neat
Hi Dana! Yeah, I will definitely do some pruning next year on that one, and I may even take a few cultivars off and just have six or so. I agree it's neat:-) It does look especially nice the first year before it has a chance to grow at different rates.
This was in 2008 when I had Kauka Wilder, Samoan Fluff, and Pacific Pearl on the root stock of Marion B. The Marion B. grew very slowly and was soon over taken by the others. I have since taken off all the scions except Duke and Peachglow Shell so that Marion B. can grow some, but Duke and Peachglow Shell will probably come off next year.
I've really really enjoyed reading this thread and looking at all the different types of grafts. After talking with my friend Vicki and watching her graft I tried grafting 2 small tips. I will see in the spring when they wake up what has happened if they were successful. I did something really silly 2 months ago and still not sure if it will take or not but the grafted part is firm and the top has leaves coming out. Looks healthy but I'm not ready to take the tape off yet. I grafted a Dwarf Singapore Pink onto an Indonesian Rainbow and all still looks good! Unfortunately I didn't have anything else to graft the DSP on to. Anyway I want to read and learn as much as I can about grafting for next year. Thanks Clare and Michael for all the valuable lessons and pictures!
That looks good, Carolyn! I wouldn't hesitate to take the tape off soon. If you unwrap it carefully without jarring the union too much, you'll be able to see if the union is strong. You can always re-wrap it if necessary. You just don't want to leave the tape on too long as the tissue beneath it eventually becomes brown and rots if left on the union for more than a month or so.