Malestroms Plumeria Grafting Successes

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Hi Folks,
After many many many dismal attempts, I have finnaly aquired a goodly number of grafting successes!!
The tips are all active in growth and all wilting leaves have recovered.
Some are still wrapped or splinted for support as we get high winds here regularly.
Several have been unwrapped for observation.
I attempted several types of grafts, using the slant cut as well as the 'V' cut
Some of my 'V' cuts were done in an unussual way as I left a good bit of stock above the graft point.
Just an experiment as I cut them back in the future to a more attractive shape.
Here are some of my first successes with Pink Pansy tips salvaged from a 5 tip cutting that started to rot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/PinkPansy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/PinkPansy2.jpg
They are kind of rough and ugly but they took.
Next was a green cutting of Miami Rose, I grafted it cause I wanted to LOL!!
I havent much luck rooting green cuttings so I figured 'hey what the heck!!'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/MiamiRose.jpg
Next I did an Irma Bryant, by far my best looking to date.
I still have yet to unwrap several that took a while ago, they may also look this good
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/IrmaBryantGraft5-06.jpg
Here is a graft of Mrs. Malestrom,
I wasnt going to cut her untill I had several successes first, Well confidence was high ;^)
She took fast!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/MrsMalestromGraft6-06.jpg
Here are 2 different styles of graft from the same cutting
One is a tip graft
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/AussieOrangeGraft-a7-06.jpg
The other is a center cut graft which still looks healthy to me.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/AussieOrangeGraft-b7-06.jpg
I always wondered... what do folks do with all these cut tips when they do a graft?
I pot em up and root em lol!!
Theymake great gifts and trade cuttings.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/GraftTip.jpg
Here are 2 that I treasure to death
I sent them to Florida Colors to have them grafted by the master himself, Luc
Bonnie Fox ===> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/Bonniefox.jpg
And The rarely ever seen 'Raspberry Ribbon' ===> Thank You Suuuuuukiiiiii !!!
I love you Buddy!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/RaspberryRibbon.jpg
Please post your attempts and experiences with grafting here, Id love to know!!

Edited to add:
I showed my good buddy Micah how to graft,
He bravely cut a Bonnie Fox tip and did his first.
He was successful!! WOOT!!!
WAY TO GO MICAH!! 8^D



This message was edited Aug 2, 2006 3:10 PM

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Hi Michael! Congrats, Buddy! Great job! I'll take pictures of mine and post them soon. Congrats on all your successes:-) You should be very proud.

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Im grateful heh.....
Thanks!!
Please do post yours too
This could be a great thread.

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

I'll take some pics today. Here's a link to my other thread in the meantime: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/606901/ I can't add any more threads or information to the sticky FAQ's thread even though I'd like to. I have to email Terry about that. I think she probably saw how big it is and decided to keep it from getting any bigger! LOL!

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

I didnt realize theyd lock a thread for size.

Davie, FL(Zone 10b)

In some of my threads from my old gaming forums i ran we had 340+ pages on some of them alone :O
As long as their are no hugh pics this forum or shall i say server that this forum resides on should be able to take alot..
The forums loads pretty fast for all these topics and i don't mean just the plumie section so that tells me alot about the server and how the forum was coded..
This is why they have a 1 pic limit on any new post and why they don't have sigs and avatars..

Great job on the grafting Clare and Mike...

This message was edited Aug 5, 2006 11:39 AM

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

I don't think the thread size was the problem. The post size is the problem for editing purposes, I think. The thread is locked just so it will remain a FAQ sticky and not a thread for chatting purposes.

Thanks, Robert!

Michael, I haven't had a chance to go take pics yet so I'll post some of the ones that I've taken. Here is one that I was a bit concerned about because it looked like the cambium was swelling and was going to form roots at the junction. Kukiat advised me to put it in the sun, and it would heal over, and it has.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

I just realized that picture is a bit blurry so sorry about that. Here is my multi-grafted tree. Ten out of the eleven branches are grafted now, and two of them are still healing. Two of them failed and had to be re-grafted.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Here are three Thai varieties that I grafted which were having problems rooting.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Here is the multi-grafted one again:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Here is one that I was concerned about. It joined together, and the scion grew leaves, but the gap looked a little too wide to me. This was the result of the two pieces not being held tightly enough together. I used the nylon rope that Kukiat sent me to re-wrap the union so that the two pieces will be forced to grow closer together.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Here are some more pics of grafts:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Here's my multi-grafted one again. Can you tell that I am so proud of it? LOL!

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

I've done some grafts lately that have a root stock that is really really small, like the one in the back here.

More later!

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Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

I have one that is somewhat loose as well
Maybe fused only on 1/2 of the contact surfaces.
If I tie it again and wait will it readhere?

I dont mind if the single grafts root at the union.
Im grafting many just to stop them from rotting while rooting lol!
If they root ill remove them and let them be their own plant
Unless of course it is an inferior plant and needs a healthy root stock to survive.

Your work looks great Clare thanks for sharing all those great photos!!
Congratulations on your successes.
Im doing more now lol!!

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Michael, there were some of mine that were definitely not being held tightly enough together, and they got pushed apart as they joined together. I am trying to make sure now that there is a enough tape pressure to keep the two pieces in place as they join together.

I had a Thai one that was half rotted and half attached. I broke it off and regrafted it again. If it is attached and if the wood is healthy, I would leave it be, but you can tie them together so that the root stock will not continue to push the scion further up. Tying them together for a while should close the distance between them...I think.

Thank you, Michael, and you are to be congratulated as well! We persevered, and that is why we have been successful. I owe a lot to my grafting mentor, Kukiat. I would never have been confident enough to try grafting had it not been for his encouragement and guidance, and I am grateful to him. I have a lot of plumies now that I was able to save that were rotting. I probably would have lost them, if I had not grafted them, so I am happy to have this skill now. Kukiat is encouraging me to try bud grafting, but I am a little too nervous for that yet! More pictures to come...

Also, congrats on continuing as a Dave's member and happy anniversary! LOL!

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Michael, I took some pictures today, but some came out blurry so I won't cause people eye strain by posting those. Here are a couple though. This one is just a little fella and a teeny bit on the blurry side.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Another small one that is hard to see:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

These two were rotting and are in pretty bad shape. They may not take.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This is a center cut, grafted on to a white. The center cut is an unknown.

This message was edited Aug 5, 2006 10:55 PM

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This is the one that had the scion being pushed up by the root stock with a bit of a gap in between:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This one has a bit of a gap too:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This one does too, and the root stock and scion don't really match either:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This one is a Thai one that my cat accidentally broke. It was grafted by Luc, and it broke just above the union. I just recut and grafted it back to the same root stock.

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This is my multi-grafted one:

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Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

This one was grafted by Luc, but it is doing something funny there at the union. I'm not sure what is happening here, but I think the root stock is outgrowing the scion.

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Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Great job Clare!!
Im glad to see you are employing the 'string' method
Ill try that next.
My best unions have come from electric tape so far.
I love the teflon tape for handling and stretchability.
I do believe the string will be superior.
I plant to try bud grafting very soon
I need to look it over again before diving in.
I also plan to try somethiing new.
I am going to remove the bark from a cutting, maybe about 4 inches wide
Then ill graft it to another cuttings tip end to see if it pproduces anything.
Just another mad idea heh...
I think for the root stock out growing the scion you can purchase a growth inhibiting horemone.
I plan on spraying my whole multi tree with it so it grows very slow.
Otherwise we could have a very unbalanced tree
I do prefer to keep it small anyway as I have to carry it twice a year.

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Michael, I got the string/nylon rope from Kukiat. He uses it on his grafts, and he wraps it around and around very tightly but not too tightly. The electric tape works well for me also. I may have to get some Bonzai soon as well.

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Tonight I grafted a single tip of Paulas Pink into my Paulas Slaughter Pink.
I grafted the removed tip of Paulas Slaughter Pink into Paulas Pink
Now I have 2 treees with both heheheheheee
Assuming they both take,
Lately the grafts have been taking no problem... fingers crossed!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/PaulasSlaughterPinkPPGraftedin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/Grafts/PaulasPinkPSPGraftedIn.jpg

This message was edited Aug 8, 2006 12:36 AM

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Good job, Michael! "Lookin' good!" said one mad scientist to another!

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Would someone please explain to me why grafting is necessary. What's it for? Thanks.

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Gymgirl, please see this link: http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/599185/ Grafting information is at the bottom of the page. A lot of information and related threads about grafting are there, including why grafting is necessary sometimes.

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Grafting is an art that allows a person to attach one sepecies of plumie to another in order to prevent rotting while rooting
It can also be done for kicks.
I have a 9 tip celadine that im grafting my favorite plumies into
Mrs. Malestrom, Giant Aussie Orange, Madame Poni, so far
Several more to go..
Ill have a multi tree of my favorites that I will treat with a growth inhibiting horemone so it stays small.
Also they flower at different times so hopefully this tree will always put on a show.

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Don't ya'll know, "It's Not NICE to fool Mother Nature?!"

I can just see it now: 'GIANT ROGUE, GENETIC PLUMIE EATS NEW YORK!"

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

I really just graft out of desperation not to lose my cuttings. I mainly try to root my cuttings, but when they start to rot or looking like they won't root or take a really long time to start to root, I graft them. It's a great way to save cuttings that you might otherwise lose, and I've lost a few!

Plumiedelphia, PA(Zone 7a)

Exactly!!
I do that too. ;^)
I also like to mess with stuff heh....

What is the genetic result of a graft? Does it produce the top plant, the bottom, or some hybrid?

Ventura, United States(Zone 10b)

Heh, heh, heh. We know you like to mess with stuff, Michael! LOL! Don't touch that! LOL!

Andidandi, the root stock is basically supplying the tree with a growing base and has no effect on anything else. Flowers, growth habit, etc. is all determined by the scion.

Marathon, FL(Zone 11)

I've read the grafting threads and I see how to do it but have a question. Can you graft them onto a large tree to get multiple blooms of different colors? Or do you have to use a small rootstock and graft the cutting onto it. I have an enormous tree, well over 30 years old. I would like to graft some others onto some of the higher limbs.

Mulberry, FL

Does not make any difference but the graft does have to stay dry other wise its not going to make it check out the plant clare from calf. did it was amazing read her threads she was the queen of plumies had her stuff toegther she did a small tree with about 8 different cultiars and she showed it when it was in bloom way cool

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