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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

August 25, 2006
11:50 PM

Post #2659661

I was recently asked to post ugly canna plants. I have tons of hybrids and many are very beautiful others look fairly common but their are a few I would consider ugly. This first one I am not sure what is wrong with it. It first produced beautiful red flowers but has sense been producing flowers which I cannot really describe. They almost look like the foliage.

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

August 25, 2006
11:52 PM

Post #2659665

Here is a pic of the leaves and the flowers. I am not sure you can get any uglier than this. Its growing right in the middle of my garden LOL,

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

August 25, 2006
11:54 PM

Post #2659669

This maybe the runner up it is a dwarf with mutated like leaves and small very small tubular spotted flowers. Their are a lot of bad ones to get to the good ones.

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

August 25, 2006
11:59 PM

Post #2659686

Well for the most part cannas are not ugly plants and you have to search to find ugly ones. Here is a picture of my older hybrid field. I have plucked out just about all the nice cannas still a handful left but most look similar to species with tall spikes very small flowers and nothing really much to offer besides some foliage. Many of these I am getting rid of to people interested in growing them for next to nothing. They have been picked through enough.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

August 26, 2006
2:27 AM

Post #2660127

Bout time!! I was beginning to think you would just point at the fields and say I want this, grow for me!!! And poof, there it is. LOL. The middle one ain't too bad. Could have been worse. The first 2 though, well, they are butt ugly. LOL.
gardener2005
Baton Rouge area, LA
(Zone 8b)

August 26, 2006
4:47 PM

Post #2661523

It might be funny to think of names for ugly cannas.

baboons brother or

yellow ...humble bert

(Instead of yellow king humbert)

I was thinking that first rosy colored one resembles some kinds of water plants that grow around here. I think if that one had more petal they could be interesting looking.







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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

August 26, 2006
5:29 PM

Post #2661622

I like baboons brother.
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

August 26, 2006
7:48 PM

Post #2662027

:This one is not really ugly it is very tiny and has small bright pink flowers usually 1 to 2 inches across but they look a lot like miniture large flowers with big type petals.
I was thinking of calling this one Canna Fairy Fart Fantasy LOL. A oddity to add to the fantasy collection LOL.

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gardener2005
Baton Rouge area, LA
(Zone 8b)

August 26, 2006
10:24 PM

Post #2662468

Pretty and neat I think. It kind of reminds me of hydrangeas in a way with canna foilage.




pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

August 26, 2006
10:33 PM

Post #2662486

Very pretty! Love the name too!! LOL
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 17, 2007
4:03 PM

Post #3292086

I'm bumping this up for the newcomers to see.
vadap
Aurora, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 17, 2007
6:30 PM

Post #3292467

Thanks pepper, those are cool looking.
makshi
Noblesville, IN
(Zone 5a)

March 18, 2007
7:14 PM

Post #3295709

I like your FFF one.
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
7:27 PM

Post #3295748

Suprized this topic is back up. I may have more photos in the archives of canna photos I keep on my computer 8,000 photos and counting of just cannas.

This is just one of those plants that really makes you mad. The foliage was more than amazing possibly some of the best foliage I have seen on a canna. I wait most the summer for it to show me that it has a danty ugly flower. So disappointing.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
8:12 PM

Post #3295886

LOL. I get a good laugh out of them. This one isn't too bad. Just dull looking.
treelover3
Minneapolis, MN
(Zone 5a)

March 18, 2007
8:50 PM

Post #3296033

I like the flower in the post at 6:27 pm, CDT. The foliage does look very nice on that plant and it could certainly be sold as a foliage plant. If you don't like the flowers you can always cut them off. You'll still be left with very nice foliage.

Do you know what the cross was? Try it again and see if you get similar foliage and better flowers. It's worth a shot.

I am just beginning to get into Cannas. I need to find C. musifolia. I just purchased some seed to see what I end up with.

Please keep the pics coming.
Thanks,
Mike
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
8:54 PM

Post #3296056

Here is the foliage for that last flower. As you can see I was hoping for something much better than what it produced..

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Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
8:57 PM

Post #3296081

nice foliage, may be worth another try!
The flowers aren't bad, just kinda squirrely

Some people might grow that just for the foliage-

Was it tall or short?
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
8:59 PM

Post #3296086

I don't know, i like the colors. Probably look worse in person.
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:05 PM

Post #3296117

Well I beiieve it is a tetraploid and it is probably sterile. I think if I do the same hybrid a 100 times I will not get the results we see here. The foliage is really nice but at times it changes and cannot be completely stable. Many times the leaves are forked at the ends very odd. This will be the second year growing it out full.

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:06 PM

Post #3296123

here is another pic of the same plant but different look to the leaves purple with neon pink streaks.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:10 PM

Post #3296144

ok, it's ugly. LOL. For once I can flat out say that.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:16 PM

Post #3296172

I love it!

It's a good thing I plant bright stuff at the back yard!lol

Really is beautiful coloration to the leaf, though
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:20 PM

Post #3296188

It's better than pink leaves. LOL. Hey Brian, ever tried to make a pink leafed canna?? Bet that would be a sight to see!
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:22 PM

Post #3296194

I llove Ti plants, so the thought of that pink foliage being perennial...drool...
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:23 PM

Post #3296202

LOL!!
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:29 PM

Post #3296228

I have tried to breed bright pink leaves. I am still trying to breed bright pink leaves LOL. I get some odd colorations and I am a foliage person but its nice to have good flowers along with them.

You ask for pink leaves walla I have it LOL.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:31 PM

Post #3296234

LOL! Not in my yard!! That's actutally a nice pink.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:32 PM

Post #3296239

Wow, Brian

Beautiful! Absolutely stunning!!
I'm so weird but I could absolutely see my yard dotted with those!

Outta there Phaison!
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:33 PM

Post #3296243

LOL. I'm not a pink person so I keep it limited around here. But I do like it in that canna leaf. That's a nice shade.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:34 PM

Post #3296246

Wow, one day,

we'll be able to have pink leafed cannas with big, white blooms!
Or better yet, purple blooms!
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:36 PM

Post #3296263

This is one of the most contorted looking cannas I have grown wavy leaves rippled and colored from green to dark maroon with bright pink flowers. It has never been really normal I guess.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:37 PM

Post #3296269

i'm speechless.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:37 PM

Post #3296270

pep, I love cannas- Have so many red and yellow already.

just can't plant too much orange anymore (we have enough road construction in this state to exhaust anyone on orange-or direct traffic into your back yard)

It's hard to find a true pink canna. It seems like most are peachy, salmon, coral.

I dislike pink (darn sure don't wear it) just about everywhere but my garden, funny enough.
treelover3
Minneapolis, MN
(Zone 5a)

March 18, 2007
9:38 PM

Post #3296275

Have you tried for a golden leaved plant? I saw one linked in the cannas forum somewhere. I think a golden leaved plant would look really well paired with a dark purple leaved plant like 'Australia'.

I grow a number of dwarf conifers and I am thinking of using Cannas as a backdrop to some of my blue needled cultivars to show them off.
Mike
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:39 PM

Post #3296278

Hmm, the wrinkling does seem kinda patterned..
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:39 PM

Post #3296284

I have seen some really odd cannas this one turned out to be fairly nice but when young I thought for sure it would be a ugly mutant of a plant. It did have some different colorations on the leaf and corrigation which is not usually nice looking but very different for cannas.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:40 PM

Post #3296289

Oooh, a golden leaf. I like!!

Trop- This will be my first year for blooming cannas. Had cannas last year but they got planted too late and never got to bloom. I have red and red/yellow for sure. I also have some that were given to me but don't know the colors yet. I can't wait til I can get them outside!!
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:41 PM

Post #3296294

Geez, that last leaf is weird. lol
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:41 PM

Post #3296295

Golden leaf cannas. I have a few I am actually working on. This is the first one I got from a friend and have been breeding new ones off of it.

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Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2007
9:44 PM

Post #3296300

My eyes are open for that one!drool...
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:44 PM

Post #3296301

This poor seedling was really showing off but it was so slow and so weak it adventually died. I tried hard to grow it but I just dont think it had enough energy to make it.

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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:45 PM

Post #3296316

drooling here!! LOL
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

March 18, 2007
9:45 PM

Post #3296318

brian I really love the golden leaf canna. Enough of the uglies! show me a pic of a purple flower canna. I'm hoping you are still working hard at developing that one, lol!

i thought I had lost my coffee cup and was totally delighted to see it peeking out today. Also B. Williams, but I already knew that was a toughie.
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:48 PM

Post #3296329

You wont get me to say anything really bad about this plant but it does have Muculated like leaves with wave like corrigation in them. Very odd but the foliages weirdness is stolen away but its huge flowers that are always in bloom.

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:50 PM

Post #3296334

Good to hear. Hope they do well for you.
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2007
9:50 PM

Post #3296335

LOL
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
9:52 PM

Post #3296350

Back by popular demand LOL.

I have been a bit upset with this one to say the least. During the spring it looked great a slight hint of purple on a maroon like flower. But as it warmed up and summer really hit the sun bleached it all summer to a dark pink like color. As soon as it cooled off again in the fall it started producing the nice deep rich color again. The other disappointment was it is sterile so I cannot breed with it any further. Well not until I double its chromosomes which I hope will work.

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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 18, 2007
10:01 PM

Post #3296388

still growing this one out.

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treelover3
Minneapolis, MN
(Zone 5a)

March 18, 2007
10:22 PM

Post #3296498

Brian,
Yes, that photo of the golden canna is the photo that I saw in this forum or there was a link to that photo in the cannas forum. I love that plant. If you ever have enough to sell, send me a Dmail. I also love the last two photos at 8:52 and 9:01 pm. Very nice.

Is that original golden canna a slow grower? Does it burn in full sun? It looks like your golden leaved seedling plant that died had a problem with full sun. Are you back-crossing the original plant onto itself or using it as the seed parent with pollen from another plant? What color flowers does the golden leaved plant have? It is a very striking plant.
Thanks,
Mike
(p.s. sorry for all of the questions, but since you have the plant, I have to ask (:o))

edited for the p.s.



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bwilliams
Louisville, KY

March 19, 2007
9:28 AM

Post #3297340

The flowers are small and yellow it is a species just a Flava form of Indica. I have been trying to cross it with different foliage plants. Manly other light green forms as well as the very darkest cannas. Many of the results maybe found in this years crop. That is if I can get enough help to get this years crop out.
treelover3
Minneapolis, MN
(Zone 5a)

March 19, 2007
9:49 AM

Post #3297410

Thanks for the info.
Mike
paty099
Bronx, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 4, 2007
1:53 PM

Post #3354812

Hi Brian,
Wow, very impressive work. I really like that one with the pink leaves you posted at 5:29 on March 18th. Do you have enough of that one to sell or trade?
Happy gardening, Pat
heike1a2b3c
Canberra
Australia

April 28, 2007
7:12 AM

Post #3439725

To bwilliams.

I definately do not want to be presumptious, but I truly feel that many of the pictured canna leaves and flowers show major signs of being affected by the Canna virus disease. The symptom are disfigured leaves, ie leaves that have pale streaks and speckles, and which become browned, distorted and twisted. The most informative website is: http://www.hartcanna.com/virus.htm.

I have been reading up on the virus thing. My own two cannas were not looking that great either and searching the web, I discovered that these sturdy things do have a weakness. I have been dividing them up to plant a nice big row of them, before I found out anything was wrong with them and now I believe (from reading the web) I will have to throw the whole lot out and start anew. I was actually going to add to them. But I guess I will have to start from scratch.

Hope I did not ruin your day, but mine is quite gloomy from making this discovery myself.

I am actually surprised no one else on this forum has mentioned this possibility to you, as some members are definately aware of the virus thing, due to other threads discussing it.

Hope to hear from you. Heike.
I
TatsuO
Salem, AR

October 11, 2007
3:33 PM

Post #4071804

do you or anyone know of a blue canna? i am looking desperately for blue (not purple) canna or simular looking plant in size/season/etc to plant with canna as a grouping. i am in AR i believe in zone 6 (central northern, next to MO border).
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

October 11, 2007
9:50 PM

Post #4072877

Are you talking of a Blue flower or blue foliage?

Heike I have not seen your reply till now. I am very aware of the virus and from what I can tell the ones posted above are virus free at least for now. The virus that is most commonly seen is a yellow or brown streaking in the leaves. Though some carry this virus with no symptoms. These though odd and some what mutated do not show the signs that I have seen on many other cannas of virus. The variegations on these seem to all be from mutations rather than virus induced. I can post photos of virus plants if people are interested in seeing what to look for as well as the difference in virus and variegation.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

October 17, 2007
1:22 PM

Post #4092611

I think posting the virus pics would be helpful, doesn't hurt at all for people to be educated. I know about yellow mottle and mosaic, but I have heard there is a third and possibly fourth virus. It seems some growers have been dodgey about the issue and I understand why.Not much you can do about it, but it never hurts to know.

So how'd that pink-leaved canna turn out? lol
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

October 17, 2007
2:49 PM

Post #4092895

I will look for photos of the virused plants. From what I have read most if not every cannas carries a virus. All the ones collected in the wild carry a virus or more than a few. These viruses were never really looked at as a issue because they never showed a symptom in the plants. They are only known by testing the plant and seem to not show any signs of stress to the plant. But recently a new form of Mosaic virus was shown to cause discoloration. I am not sure of the name of the virus it slips my mind but it has shown that in many forms of cannas it shows this odd streaking pattern but at other times it will not. Their have been test using different combinations of the viruses to see what effect the plants and from what I have read this one form is the only one that is showing signs of stress to the plants. The only way around it for now it seems is Tissue cultured plants can be cleaned of the virus. The bad thing is the virus spreads so fast that by the time you see the virus its probably to late in your collection. Though I am not destroying all cannas with the virus due to some being one of a kinds. I do destroy douplicated and unwanted forms with it. I know their is some research and work being done to help prevent and possibly stop the virus.

As for the pink leaf canna this was never stable and I believe it was a mutation or caused by to much fertilizer. I showed the pic because if a leaf can come out that way then their is a good chance it can be breed into the plant. The colors are their I just need to breed it out. I have been trying to breed darker leaf cannas with extremely light colored cannas in hopes of producing leaves like this.
Tropicanna
Clemmons, NC
(Zone 7b)

October 17, 2007
4:33 PM

Post #4093271

I do appreciate the virus info, I know there's not much you can do, but it's good to identify it quickly.

Too bad about the pink leaf, it was cool though
GKayfes
Rosemount, MN
(Zone 4b)

November 5, 2007
7:01 PM

Post #4160539

Hi - I live in zone 4a and would like to grow a Struttgart canna. We have hot humid summers and the afternoon can be pretty intense. I know the leaves will scald easily so I don't want to burn it up. How many hours of sun could a Struttgart canna receive?
bwilliams
Louisville, KY

November 5, 2007
8:04 PM

Post #4160771

I have grown them in full sun here in Kentucky as well as partial shaded areas. They do well in both spots it seems even in shade the pure white sections will get a bit scorched usually on the solid white leaves or the ones more than 50% white. They look good either way just a few spots here and their.

Here is a pic of one grown in full sun KY. I have found that epson salt will help keep it from burning as much. Also the more humid and less hot area is usually better if you have no humidity and a ton of heat it will burn up a lot more.

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