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tucsonplumeriaz
Tucson, AZ

September 14, 2006
5:54 PM

Post #2722783

i purchased a cozumel and cancun cuttings last spring from the same source. they rooted quickly. they are healthy and growing nicely with about 16" of new growth since rooting.

there is one odd thing about both plumeria. they have these yellow spots. the pigment appears to be missing from the top of the leaves. none of the other plumeria in my collection have these spots. any ideas as to what's going on??? i thought that this might be some reminent from the previous owners fertilizing regime or how they are reacting to mine. like i said before, these are the only two plumeria in my collection that have these yellow spots and they came from the same source at the same time.

thanks for your help.

dete

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Clare_CA

(Zone 10b)

September 14, 2006
6:07 PM

Post #2722823

Hi Dete,

I would guess that is is a mineral deficiency of some sort -- perhaps an Iron deficiency. Is there something different about the soil that they are planted in? You probably won't be able to change these leaves, but you can help the new leaves coming in not to have these spots. I would add some Iron Chelate to the plants at watering time and see if that helps. You can also add two tablespoons of Epsom Salt to one gallon of water and see if that helps. I think I have seen this before once in a while on a sporatic leaf but never the whole plant. Do all the leaves of both plants have this?
tucsonplumeriaz
Tucson, AZ

September 15, 2006
2:55 PM

Post #2726100

hey clare,

there's nothing different about the soil. both of these plumeria receive the same treatment. that's what makes this odd. both plumeria are quite happy, healthy and green.

the yellow spots appear to be a systemic issue. i say this because no other plumeria in my collection have these spots. in addition, all the leaves except for the top 2 or 3 on both plants have the spots. in some cases the spots are "in focus" like those in the pic. in other cases they are large and diffused.

thanks for your response.

dete
lopaka
Davie, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 15, 2006
9:17 PM

Post #2727245

When i see that i think of two things..
Rust mites or a fungus which i seen do that down here..
Like Clare said it could be a deficiency too..
Next i would look at the location of these 2 plants compare to the others..
Are they in a different location? Are they next to another plant (non-plumie)?
Do they get less sun then the others?
Make sure now about the sun many peeps will answer yes they get full sun like my others..
I check my plumies yesterday and seen that my last row of plumies doesn't get anymore sun after 2:00pm due to the sun taking a more southern route now..
Rust mites are very hard to see you will need to get real close or throw some Ammen's
medicated powder on one of the leaves, the powder contains Zinc..
The powder will reveal the mites if they are there..
If no mites then i would use a foilar spray like SprayNGrow mix with a fungicide..
This should at least address 2 possible causes..
Like i said i seen this on a few of mine because of mites or a fungus (too much water not enough sun)..
Airflow is important because mites will infest a plant that doesn't get too much wind..
josegabriele
Baton Rouge, LA

September 16, 2006
1:38 AM

Post #2727946

Speaking of spots on leaves, I have two seedlings that are about a year and a half old. They have rediish brown blotches on the leaves, some almost cover half the leaves. The seedlings appear to be very healthy and I do not notice any insects. I think it is a characteristic of the plants. Has anyone else seen this on other plants?
Clare_CA

(Zone 10b)

September 16, 2006
4:14 AM

Post #2728454

Definitely! I have lots of spots everywhere on my seedlings. Some are purple too. Many of my seedlings have brownish, bronzish, reddish leaves too. Seedlings are cool! Here are some of my seedlings.

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TomH3787
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 16, 2006
4:35 AM

Post #2728517

I'm not a plumeria expert so I'll definitely defer to Clare's opinion. One thing I've learned from growing lots of different plants is that symptoms in one plant that appear similar to another can be the result of very different causes. I did think "mites" on seeing the first picture. I've never had mites on my plumerias but then my climate is a lot more humid than AZ. Mites are tiny and very hard to see. One way to check is to rub a piece of white paper on the underside of the leaves (where mites usually congregate). If you see rust-colored or brownish/yellow stains on the paper, that's from crushed mites. Depending on the type of mites and severity of infestation, they can be controlled with neem oil spray or a miticide. (Even organic insecticidal soap will kill mites if they are not too bad.) Note that conventional insecticides are ineffective against mites as they are arachnids, not insects.
josegabriele
Baton Rouge, LA

September 16, 2006
5:09 AM

Post #2728560

Those seedlings are awesome. They look so healthy.
Clare_CA

(Zone 10b)

September 16, 2006
5:29 AM

Post #2728585

Tom, you are quite right, but I think usually the mite damage is a little different-looking. The damage tends to be concentrated more around the stem.

I usually struggle with mites here in this dry climate on my brugmansias and plumerias, but we had a very humid summer due to several tropical storms nearby, which came from the Gulf of Mexico. The mites have been scarce here this summer, and I think it is due to the unusual humidity. I even bought "Forbid" earlier this year in anticipation that I would be having a major infestation right about now, but there is no damaged evident. I've been pretty good about spraying the leaves when I water just to discourage them as they hate water. One of my plants in the corner of the greenhouse got them pretty good last winter. Here is a pic of what mite damage usually looks like for me in this climate:

(Edited to fix spelling.)

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Clare_CA

(Zone 10b)

September 16, 2006
5:30 AM

Post #2728587

Here is a picture of the back of the infested leaves. The mites look like little grains of sand.

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Clare_CA

(Zone 10b)

September 16, 2006
5:32 AM

Post #2728590

I'm happy to report that that Grove Farm is free of mites and flourishing now and about to bloom!

Thanks, Joe! A couple of my seedlings are blooming now for the first time. I'll start a new thread to post pics!
lopaka
Davie, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 16, 2006
7:26 AM

Post #2728654

What clare is showing you are spider mites indeed "not rust mites".
95% of the time people think it's a nutrient deficiency when in fact it's spider mite
damage..
You can use the method of the white paper as someone said..
This is the time for the rust mites hot dry weather late summer early fall..
Since we all can't inspect your leaves just assume it's all 3..
So with that said use a foliar spray mix with fungicide and sprayNgrow..
For mite treatment "DO NOT USE ANY OILS" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are in AZ which is hot and dry and thats a NO NO for any type of oils..
If you use them you will kill the mites and your leaves with them possibly the stem too..
To treat rust mites use 1 of these 3 products..
Treating for rust mites requires using a miticide effective against eriophyid mites, such as Sevin, Joust, or dimethoate.

But you know what get yourself a 5 gallon bucket from home depot and use a capful of Hartz flea and tick shampoo mix with water and turn your plumie upside down and dunk her in the bucket and count to a 100 and set her back down on the ground and leave her alone..
I have done this to my thai peppers and plumie seedlings and it's been very effective and does not harm the plant in anyway...
Hartz flea and tick shampoo contains small traces of the same chemical that kills termites..
If you can kill a termite then you can kill anything..
Hope this helps!
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