Mark, did you grow yours from seed? I have some I grew last year from seed I got from van Dusen Botanical gardens in Vancouver. I have about 6, which I thought weren't going to grow again but did, they die back early when the bulb formed is small.
This year all but one is still a smallish, thin grassy leaf, though not as small as last year and are still green. The one that took off is in bud and won't be long opening. They can vary in colour, it will be interesting to compare.
Yours looks lovely! Have you any more Gladiolus species? I have ordered 14 different ones from silverhillseeds in Sth Africa.
Nooooooooooo, A friend of mine in Cornwall that has a nursery sent me it a couple of years ago! It is the most gorgeous Gladiolus i have ever seen...
wow, did you visit the van Dusen Gardens????????? or did they send you some??
Be interesting to see what it turns out like when it does flower... hope the other thin grassy bits catch up next year...!!
Mine has lots of thin grassy bits in it... but they all seem to survive so i just leave them to get on with it!! The Dalenii is a hardy Gladiolus, so i don't need to bother with it that much!
No, I dont really have many, just the dalenii and one called Papillio ( i think)... which i have lots of!!! If you want some of that, let me know, you can have some with pleasure!!
Ahhhhh good old silverhills... i have had some crocosmia seeds from there before...
As you probably know... that is my main love in life... crocosmia crocosmia crocosmia!! LOL
I have put in for national collection status and am waiting for the next NCCPG meeting at Wisley... they will decide thenm wether or not i get it!! The next meeting is 8th November... so not long now to wait!
Good luck with the Crocosmia! It's not my most favourite plant, but I do see some that grab my interest.
Van Dusen has a web site run buy volunteers, it would be impossible to find by searching for them, I found it by stumbling across a link when searching fo a plant once, many pages into a google. Anyone can buy seeds online, all you have to do is sign up for free.
You must really have your hands full with those, do you keep most in pots? Most Crocosmia do need to be replanted every so often as far as I'm aware, it must keep you well occupied!
I have had my mind concentrated on Gladiolus for some time, tinkering with the idea of collecting all the species I could. For now I have decided to go with the ones I really like, if I saw the rest in reality no doubt I would like those too! Start slowly and see what happens! After all these do need SPACE.
By the way, are you a total plant nut for other plants too? (like me)
Oh yes i certainly do have my hands full... Yep, most are in pots!!
They usually need dividing every couple years... depends which ones they are... keeps me very occupied!!
I have never thought about collecting gladiolus before... never really seen any, except the common ones...
Have to have a look into it... see what the species ones are like!! How many species ones are there, doyou know????
Yes the other thing is space too... i agree!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes i love plants... any plants!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are all beautiful in their own way!!!
Have a thing about geum and potentilla at the moment!! LOL
Wallaby if you send smoke signals i'll pass them on. (ok so i need a little poetic licence as i'm not quite in the middle of you two!)
Bit odd with 3 plant nuts so close together.
Good luck with the collection. I'm struggling to get rid of my crocosmia. The previous owner planted them all over (including the lawn)
Where are you then?????????????
Plants nuts all over the place...LOL
Thank you the good luck wishes... What sort of crocosmia do you have all over the place?????????????????
In the Lawn???? LOL
They must have spread under the lawn, i doubt if anyone would plant them there... hahahahahahaha
I'm the A158 side of Lincoln about 10 miles out.
The crocosmia i have all over never get the chance to flower. The couple of clumps in the border where just leaves. Probably been there 20 years. I think the lawn ones where borders once. Most of the garden was ground elder when i moved in. Oh and mares tail, but that still lives on a little.
I don't really collect plants i just get excited about the way plants look.
This picture gives an overview of the first garden from the house, was taken a month ago so there is more colour now its rained again.
I'll drag up some site for you as a taster, I couldn't tell you eactly how many but Sth Africa has perhaps the most that I know of. Europe has a few, Britain also has at least one if I could remember which it is.
The UK native i think is G illyricus. Species are well under represented, and in my opinion far better than the hybrids. I haven't found anyone to be a collection holder. There is a Rupert Bowlby growing quite a few, he has a web site with other bulbs from Sth Africa and does sell some, but I think growing from seed is the best way to do it if the seed can be found.
Can someone whose never been to Lincolnshire join in *G*
Beautiful piccie Mark!
I also have an interest in S. African bulbous plants (and all things which congregate rightly or wrongly under that group), well actually bulbous plants in general and plants from S. America and S. hemishpere and European plants and far East, Asia and errrm I'm sure you understand what I mean.
I've all too many seed to sow this year and several Glad species, which are you growing Wallaby?
G. illyricus has it's last foothold in the UK right here in the New Forest however finding it in the wild is another matter. I spend weeks searching but it flowers under the bracken canopy and is so hard to spot. G. communis subsp. byzantinus is naturalised in some parts here as well.
I don't know if you are aware, if you are familair with The African Garden then maybe you are but there is a small group in the UK dedicated to S.A. bulbs. I'm still yet to fill in the form but if you want details you can find them under resources on Terry Smale's site.
Wow, nice garden... thank you for letting me see...!!!
A158... I will have to look that up i think... I dont go by the road numbers... I would call it the lincoln to wherever road!! LOL
OMG Ground Elder and Mares Tail... the two worst thing you can ever get...!!!! How did you kill off the ground elder, my next door but one has that and cant get rid!!! So some advice would be appreciated!!
All plants excite me too... but crocosmia most of all!!!
Thank you so so much for the sites... I will have a look at them later today!!!
I didn't even know england had a species plant!!! I thought most were from S.A.
Just had a look in my NCCPG National plant collection list... nobody holds a collection of Gladiolus... unless they are called another name????
I know Ruper Bowlby, he has one or two Chasmanthe that i was looking for...
Of course you can join in...anyone welcome!! even southerners!! LOL
Thank you, I love that piccie...
In other words, you too have an interest in all plants... just like us really!!!!! LOL
G. Illyricus... I don't know anything about... i didn't even know it was a species plant from this country!! I am goin g to have to do some serious reading on Gladiolus!!
With crocosmia i have delved into the history... I think i will have to do the same with Gladiolus!!
Yes i am aware Baa... you mean the S.A Bulb Group... I am a member of that group!! You should get your form filled in and join...LOL
How can I say it, let me start at the biggining, my DH warns people to be causios with that questions. Apperantly I never shut up when I start LOL ;o)))
I collec oxalis they are the reason I started to be interested in plants.
My interes is getting bigger, and would like a bigger variety plants, but at the moment I do not have much space. But enjoy looking in the DG and see how wonderfully every ones garden and plants are doing :o))
Hi Baa, I came across Terry Smale's site recently while searching, he does have some interesting things. One plant in particular grabbed my attention, Crossyne flava. I thought one was enough to further clutter my already cluttered house with another plant, so I bought it, one of those instant decision things!
I have Gladiolus papilio, which is actually G papilio Purpureoauratus Group. The straight species I found on the first link above with all the pics, and it is mostly green, but most people sell the purple one as just G papilio. The other one just doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else, perhaps a good book on the subject would be useful.
Others are G dalenii and G communis ssp byzantinus that I have.
Ordered from silverhill seeds. (still waiting on their final price!) the following:
Besides those I ordered Syncarpa vestita, Moraea tulbaghensis, Pelargonium tomentosum, Agapanthus inapertus pendulus (dark form), Eucomis vandermerwei, and Serruria florida which I had 2 of but they died, even though they germinated in January 05 after a hard frost and grew to a few inches tall, I will try again!
If you have any (illyricus?) that I don't have or will have, I would love to swap something else with you baa! If there are any seeds on my list I can reciprocate with I think they give 25 seeds a pack so could spare some.
LOL... I don't mind you not shutting up about your garden... its fascinating to find out what is grown in other countries...
Oxalis... oh lovely!!!! They are i think what we call wood sorrell...??
Looks like you are going to have to find a bigger place then zest... then you can really start collecting different things!!
I collect crocosmia... at the moment i have around 240sih varieties...!!
Have you ever thought about collecting those?? LOL
Not field, but 1/3 acre including a long drive and house and a huge conker tree! I still have space! It's the initial growing and nurturing that is a stumbling block, you wouldn't believe the amount of plants I have in pots and seed still to sow!
That doesn't stop me wanting more! I'm getting caught up with the back log, lots of potting on to do etc. etc., then new beds to be made. With the dry, hot weather this year watering takes priority. Luckily we had a couple of good rains lately, everything was drying out again before this last one!
I really don't understand why Glad species haven't been more popular, it's time to start an appreciation society! There can't be a more beautiful lot of species of a single genus.
You are correct, they are also known as wood sorrel.
Oh no crocosmia yet, was not sure what they were, just looke them up, they are BEAUTIFUL :o)))
240 varieties? No wonder you are a canditate to have a national collection status.
I do hope you get it :o))
Wallaby, that is really a nice glad, it doesn`t look like the common ones.
I guess this is the right place to ask. Is it normal that glad turn towards the sun? They were all turning “the wrong way”
The A158 is the Lincoln to Skegness road.
Yeah ground elder is really easy to get rid of but you have to want rid of it. None of this half hearted spray it once with washing up liquid stuff!. Most of my customers that complain about Ground Elder are not real gardeners and just want a quick fix. Lol
Anyway just spray it with 90ml per litre of roundup or other Glyphosate salts type. Either respray in 2 weeks if its not died completely. Or wait until regrowth occurs in about 4 weeks but don't allow it to get taller than about 2inches. Respray and that should be it for that year. Sometimes you get a slight regrowth in autumn but you may need to finish it off the next spring.
I lost a few plants spraying that lot but its worth getting rid of the ground elder for good. really big plants can stand having there trunks and branches sprayed so don't worry to much.
Now mares tail seems to die off then come back over a year later in borders i got rid of it. So no advice on that one.
Still those crocosmia in my lawn are more of a pain! Lol. Think its due to them being monocots like grass and lawn weedkiller working on that to kill stuff. Think i need to try better lawn chems, like the ones that kill clover.
Sorry i've gone all boring. I'm into my chems too much. Got sprayed with pesticide the other week so it may have sent me strange Lol
1/3 of an acre... thats a decent size.!!! Oh cool a conker tree... i wish i had one... all i have are 2 huge sycamores, that drop those little helicopter things all over the place!!! Oh i would believe the amount of plants in pots etc you have... you should see mine!!! LOL
Doesn't stop me wanting more also... basically anything that takes my fancy i have to get... although just recently i have been stopping myself... getting far far to much!!!
I am just concentrating on my crocosmia at the moment... thats enough for me!!
Yes its amazing how quickly stuff in pots dry out... especially when its sunny and windy... all summer i have been doing nothing but watering... drives me crazy!!!
Yes, lets start an appreciation society for Glads... I have had a look at a few, there are some really beautiful ones.
I thought thats what they were... think i have one somewhere in my garden...!!
Yesssssssssssss Crocosmia are soooooooooooo beautiful... people only tend to think about them as those common ones that spread everywhere... they dont realise how many really pretty, slow growing ones there are!!
Thank you... i hope i get the collection status too... if i do, then everyone will know about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
I am so pleased i dont have ground elder or mares tail... i have that columbine stuff, but thats quite easy to get rid of... its the small version of it too, which is good!!!
I will tell next door but one chap that the ground elder is easy to get rid of...!! I dont know if he will do that, because he grows nothing but veg... But then, thats up to him isn't it...!
The crocosmia on the lawn thing is easy... dig em up!!!! LOL
Maybe someone planted them in the lawn because they thought they were crocus bulbs...LOL
hahahahahahahahahahahaha... very funny, what you and Mike are saying to each other...
I dont know what my wood sorrel looks like... cannot remember where it is... but when i do find it i will let you know. Not that keen on the stuff... it spreads!!!
Maybe i killed it... cannot remember now!!!
Those don't look much like Glads! Lol.
Hey Mark i dare you to try and kill one of those crocs. You can leave them to dry out, bury them over 1 foot deep, put them in a bucket of water for 4 weeks and even mow them every time they poke out the soil. They kind of amaze me. Ok they won't flower but they won't die either. Quite amazing really.
Photo to make us jealous indeed. (ok there kind of nice)
Baa, as zest mentions, they probably need more time to mature. I will post a pic of the full plant, you will see the rest at the bottom that are still very immature, some have already died back. I think one grew a lot sooner than the rest, this is possibly the reason it has a head start. Is G. alatus the only one you have as yet in growth, the rest being seed needing to be sown?
It looks like I'm not the only Glad enthusiast around! I still haven't got my final price from silverhill, they do add the postage on automatically but may need to be sure all are in stock, although there was another I was going to order which was removed, so I assume they will have them all. I have read they can be a little slow.
I have checked your list Baa, we have 7 the same (assuming I get them all), namely:
That leaves 10 extra that you have, and 7 extra of the seed that I may have, plus G. papilio, dalenii, communis ssp. byzantinus. Assuming you don't have any of hte last 3, that means we each have 10 that the other doesn't have!
G. dalenni was nearly fully open today, by the pic I have of it that came with the seeds it should open further. The colours on the pic look more orange tips with yellow centre, but they are often poor. It's a really vibrant colour, greenish yellow throat at this stage, and yes zest it is very pretty! The satisfaction of having grown it too!
Beutiful glads - like Monica I had no idea there were so many species. I'd only heard of G. imbricatus and I grew that from seed last year. They're still very, very tiny and have withered for now - hope they come up again next spring! I love gladiolus - not had any luck with the big showy ones (like the dahlias) hope the species will work out better :-)
It is amazing! Today it has fully opened, and DOES look like the picture, but just a little brighter! Posting a pic later when downloaded.
rannveig, these are hardy to zone 8, but certain conditions need to be met. Some are winter growers, some summer growers, and in their natural habitats they mostly get summer rains or winter dry or the reverse. I have some Ixia viridiflora I grew from seed which flowered this year, it goes dormant in summer and should be kept dryish, it's starting to grow now and over winters easily in the greenhouse/garage. I will need to be doing the same with some of these, but if you have enough then some can be tried outside in a suitable location (when mature). A bulb grown yourself in your own climate stands more chance of success. G. imbricatus is from colder zones.
Mark, there is a good book on the subject I came across, I will see if I can dig it up. I'm considering getting one myself! They can, unfortunately, be very expensive!
This is the Ixia, very delicate and some of the flowers were a little dried, I had 2 out of 10 that flowered, I think in their 3rd year.
I found this link to the British Gladiolus Society, there is a Library of books listed which can be borrowed by members. Useful as a reference list. I think the one I saw was the 1972 "A revision of The South African Species of Gladiolus" G.L.Lewis, A.A.Obermayer and T.T.Barnard.
I am very, very tempted to buy that book myself! £34 sounds a lot of money, (especially when it can be spent on seed!), but it would be great to have, 144 colour plates, ooooh wow! Maybe I will treat myself for Xmas (hoping my daughter gives me part of it!).
I didn't get around to posting the pic yesterday, a second flower is part open now too, it has a scent which gets better as the flower matures. I love it!
Yessssssssssss £34 is a lot of money for a book... But probably well worth buying!!
Oh wow, it as that many colour plates in it...???
Hmmmmm may just have to have that book myself...
oooooooooooo thats a pretty plant!!!!!!!! Gorgeous aren't they!!!!!!!
"including 150 finely executed and botanically detailed line drawings by John Manning. Gladiolus in Southern Africa reflects both the complex biology and simple beauty of a genus that is admired the world over. 144 colour plates, 464pp, SOUTH AFRICA. FERNWOOD PRESS 1874950326"
I just checked Abe Books, sellers have it for a lot more than it can be got new from that shop, £37.71 + postage from Sth Africa is the cheapest. First Edition, well, I think I'd rather pay less and get new!
I found it from the publishers, same price but more carriage?. I think the African Book shop must be something to do with them.
Yep the book is VERY expensive... but i guess it will be good value for money!! I hope...
You order from Pottertons too... I know the chap that runs it quite well... i was down there the other week and bought some Tritonia!!!... another gorgeous plant!!!
Well theres a suprise... zest bought some Oxalis!!!!! LOL
In the little shed where you go pay for the plants they have framed certificates for flower shows covering all walls... golds, silver guilts, silver, bronze ... loads and loads of them!!!
I got my bulb order a week ago, first time I have ordered from them but they do have potted plants I would be very tempted to buy as well, a trip is in order although I could do them MO I am only around 40 miles away. My Oxalis palmifrons I got from there.
My heart strings are pulling towards pressing that button, but I am crafty when I can make excuses to myself! I often do this when Xmas time is around the corner, I spy a plant that I really, really want, buy it for a present for my daughter, then decide that it would live better in my company, and buy something else for a present! That becomes dangerous when the second purchase is a plant! I have had to buy a third present!
Now, a short time ago I came across a company in Indonesia selling all sorts of interesting Colocasias etc., minimum order £50, fairly steep carriage but no phyto charges. I told myself I would have to wait until spring, which could be a better time anyway, but my crafty mind is making the excuses already that if I DON'T buy the book, I need only, say, another £40-50 (+?)or so to pay for the goods! What brilliant justification!
Worry not, there will come a time when I throw all caution to the wind and have a mad, pent-up-bursting-out-in-a-spending-rash-spree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh wallaby dear wallaby, what are we going to do with you...
I you do go to Pottertons, you may be in for a supise... its not what you think it will be like... all that is there really is a couple of greenhouses and a shed where you pay!! Plus a load of stone bays with hundreds of 3inch pots of plants in them...
The place looks kinda run down... but i guess it all adds to the charm...!!
I KNOW you are gonna press that button at some point... so just log on to the website and press it!!!! Then you wont have to worry about it anymore...!!!
That is fatal... buying plants for people when you love plants yourself...!! Oh dear Wallaby... Does your daughter know that is what you do??????LOL
No Phyto charges???? How come?? Do they pay it??? Or do they send out plants illegally?? Dodgy!!!!!... so you will be better off buying the book i think!!!!!!!!!... you know you want it!!!!
Or... i could always rent mine out to you when i get it!!!!! LMAO
OMG, watch out world, when wallaby throws caution to the wind!!!
Hmm, I think by the time I paid rent plus postage, I would be better off buying the book! You are pushing me!
I did tell my daughter I had done that, but I wouldn't tell her which plants they were! That's not all, I have also bought her a clematis and took cuttings from it! Good job too, I have 2 plants now and she killed hers!
When the time is right, I will either DO it or get OVER it! My juices are oozing, sorry folks for the image!
I think the Phyto charges are low for the country, and the minimum order would cover their costs.
Just take a look!!!!! They look to be a professional outfit, worth a dabble I think!
It's Janet, if I haven't bought the book by the time you have your open day I will ask to take a peek at yours, then I can make a decision!
You will be enthused by the plants they have on there, mark (haha) my words! Take a look at the other plants section too, a Tacca there which beats the ones we see for sale. Of course it's a risk, carriage from other countries can be iffy, the pants may be small, some might die, but they are a good price, and so rare that I am willing to risk it!
Yes you can borrow it anytime you want to... i will let you know when it arrives!!! Also if you want to you can borrow croosmia book!!!! that is very interesting!!
Yesssss i will have a look tomorrow when i will have no disturbances... oh dear mark my words... made me smile!!
Tacca... is that what i call the bat plant????? I tried growing one from seed once... my god it took years to do anything, then died!!!!
Oh i don't mind the risk, if the plants are worth it... I just wonder how long it will take for them to arrive!!! Like you say, some may die in transit...
Hmmmmmmm i will have a good look and see if its worth it...!!
Yes Tacca is the bat plant, I got some seed, I think one germinated, then promptly died so I was spared!
Normal parcel carriage can be around 10 days, or longer if customs hold things up. For a smallish order you wouldn't have to pay much import tax or vat. there is an £18 allowance on most things, then vat at 17.5%, import duty only payable mostly once the duty reaches £7, and there may be a charge (£8ish I think) from Parcel Force, but if the parcel is small enough they can go through without mishap and not be charged anything, it's the bigger ones that attract attention. You have to spread the cost of all this over the number of plants, it often doesn't add much per plant, and when there is no alternative short of jumping on a plane, well live dangerously!
Youu can opt for the Carrier which is quicker, excluding customs hold-ups of course, but much more expensive. It depends on how much you feel you want to risk.
They are in DG feedback system Garden Watchdog, a couple of people have posted problems but reading between the lines the company wasn't at fault, customs don't have anything to do with them once they arrive in another country!
I still have some Tacca seed if you fancy another go at it... Cost a fortune for 5 seeds... cant remember how much i paid for it!!! But i know it was a lot!
Well... i think i may have to have a go at getting some stuff from that place and see what happens... you never know, everything may be ok...!!
Thats the trouble isnt it... if customs hold things up then everything could be dead by the time it gets to me...!!!!!!! That would be such a waste...
We shall see...!!
So, are you going to order something from there???? you gonna risk it??? or are you going to wait and see what happens to mine??? LOL
I don't think I'll bother with the Tacca seeds, thanks, it was well over £3/close to £4 I think from P.O.D. and not many seeds, I did see some fllowering plants once at Pennells for £20, when I was still only a mild plant nut (that's not true). It was nevertheless difficult to pass them by!
Oh I think I can't wait to order from that site, they might not have what I want later! I haven't gone terribly mad yet this year, it's time I did! (AND I can SAVE £33 if I don't buy the book!) Customs here are not too bad like they are in some countries, if you didn't take the chance you would stand still!
Gee, that site must have really taken your fancy! It did mine, it's almost like finding a hidden stash of goodies! We can compare our experiences!
Potterton's did have a site already set up, but are changing it. Their potted plants will be listed in the next month. It's more what you would call a working nursery, there are a lot of them now that do most or all of their business on the internet, and they are usually run by plant specialist growers. Many of them don't buy much of their stock in and do all the hard work themselves. That's the type of people I like to deal with.
Cheers Mark, thats kind of what i meant.
Just there is really 2 routes plant sellers take
(1) the day out bring Granny for a cup of tea and let the kids try and kill them selves. (whoops that was a pop at Baytree G C). Usually with good retail standards, carpet on the floor canopies for all weather shopping etc.
(2) The plant specialist. Specialising in a particular types of plants. (usually alpines or herbaceous as its the quickest to reproduce on the whole therefore the most profitable)
Internet business is now the fastest way to increase sales with the Biggest garden seller on the internet being Crocus with a turnover in the 3/4 million range and last we spoke to them they where due to make there first profit if this year went well.
Customers cost to much money to service nowadays so internet shopping allows smaller specialist places to look fancy and have a grand scale without all the costs!
I'm a fan of internet shopping as it means i don't have to stand in line with all the nutters out there, waiting for that one person who's had a bad day to walk in and blow every shopper away... Yes it might be me next who loses it!!
Pottertons are very friendly, the bulbs they have sendt have been very big as well.
I would recommend this nursery to anyone :o)
I was thinking that you probably had bought O. palmifrons from Pottertons.
Could not stop smiling when I read about the “lent” clematis cuttings. I would do the same LOL
To bad your daughters ones died.
Costoms don`t seen that bad in the UK?
Besides the phyto, you have to contakt the ministry of agriculture and let them know when the plants/buls will be in the contry. Then you have to pay about 60£, (No matter if it is 1 or 50) because they have to check them as well.
You were right about the weather today :o))
Sorry don`t know a bit about clover they are weeds LOL
I do have a bit of other things, but because of little space (garden is 10m long and 4 m wide) I mostly only collect oxalis. I need more space sigh…..
zest, you don't need to contact the Ministry of Agriculture if you are just a retail customer. That's for business purchases, I know it sounds like you need to when you read all the information, bu they don't put things very well!
I bought some Hemerocallis last year from America, the company dealing with it places documents in an envelope on the outside of the parcel for customs to view, but a small parcel can easily just go through without being checked. They don't check all of them, they wouldn't have the time! It may be different in other countries, America can have some serious delays so they could be more particular on checking, more so in view of the recent events.
Mine took about 2 weeks to arrive, I only paid something like £8 for ParcelForce's costs, and had to pay the duties by cheque when it was delivered but I wasn't notified of when it would be delivered, an Express Carrier may notify you. If you're lucky the company sending it will put a lower value to the goods!
I have got the HM Customs and Excise in my Favourites somewhere, the information is very difficult to find from their Home page.
The link to HM C&E is on this page, I challenge anyone to find the part about private individuals importing to this country from the UK site! (something to do on a rainy day!)
Clover weeds and Oxalis? Eh now i thought most Oxalis where called clover. I live and learn. Lol To be honest i never paid much attention to them before now.
Not sure where to find info on Dalea as this variety seems hard to find the info for (i only checked my books and here so far)
Oh god i hate H M Customs & Excise... They sound too much like the Tax Man!!!!!!!
Just had to pay another fortune to the Ba+**$ds...
Its easier to find someone in america to send you it and write on the customs label, 'Garden Gnome' !!!!! LOL
Went down to Pottertons today... had a look at this Oxalis thing!!! My advice Zest... start collecting crocosmia or Gladiolus!!!
I have a nice book coming soon called 'Gladiolus of South Africa', you can borrow it if you want Zest!!! LOL
I know there will be a remark about what i just said about crocosmia, from Mr Crocosmia killer... take no notice of it zest!
I was going to take my camera down to Pottertons today... take some photos for you all!! But i forgot to take it... I will go back there tomorrow and take a few!!!...
Mike, yes i know what you mean about they can make a nursery sound big on the internet etc... and yes thats what pottertons do very very well...!!! They were parcelling up some stufff to go to Japan while i was there... how cool is that!!
Janet... i dont blame you for not wanting my Tacca seed... It would drive me crazy if i grew another one and it died again!!!... maybe Zest would like them to try????????? hehehe
I can't make up my mind wether or not to buy from that place Janet... yes i know its like finding a hidden stash of goodies... and yes quite a few took my fancy... especially the Tacca.
I'm biting my lip about the crocosmia... Will not comment aghhhh its killing me Lol
And nope i really did mean Dalea not Dahlia I do have one Dahlia in my garden but there like old ladies plants (along side some bulbous plants hehehe)
Only joking don't send hate mail.
I know what you mean about customs and tax etc. I understand the need for it all but i'm sure they make it hard for everyone so there is rules and regs just to cover everything so they can be allways right!
We once sent a load of Picea to china or was it Japan and last year i sold Gift Tokens to someone in Hong Kong but had to send them to woodhall spa. Not quite as glamourous! I have the space to open an internet shop its all there and ready to go but really can't be spending the time on it. Also not sure which direction to take it yet. I have the option for a new staff member this winter i could put in charge of it, so we'll see!
Tacca is a real sod to grow. Most people buy dutch stuff in Garden centres often from the Clock auctions and to be honest its death warrant has been served before the customer gets it home. No one in Garden Centres will know how to care for them and the dutch guys will have had them on refridgerated transport for over a week.
Hahahahahaha you don't need to bite your lip... i don't mind at all!!
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old ladies plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my bishop of llandaff...!! Grrrrr
Ohhhhhhh yes, customs and taxman etc are ALWAYS right...!!! Even if they are wrong, they are still right!!!
Hey if you want someone to run it for you... i am looking for a chnage in job...!!!! Fed up being self employed... been after finding something in horticulture!
My G/F works at Brigg Garden Centre... Trust me, i know what the Dutch plants are like... forced on crap...!!!!! Most plants on sale in Garden Centres now are Dutch... its such a shame that britain cant compete...!!!!!
Yep, Tacca is a sod... i grew one, it just appeared and then died... took 2 years nearly to reach that stage!!!!! LOL
Janet I gave up on that link! A bit confusing?
Nice to know that they do not have to be contacted before import. Oh my goodness I am going on a shoping extravaganza as well, Janet :o))
There is a nursery in South Africa.
Cape seed an bulbs http://capeseedandbulb.com/
they have a couple of glads and a nice collection of the “O” plants LOL
Did order from there some years ago, but then got confused on that new law,
but sence it is only for business, then….. yummi
Most think the same, and is because they somethimes look similar.
The Dalea is very very pretty :o)
LOL a little hint there? LOL
Oh yes would like some tacca seeds, they are on my “when I have a bigger place list”
Just as well get some know, thanks very much ;o)))
OK Monica, I wonder if anyone else has tried???? I was confused myself at first!
Here's how you do it. First get the C&E Home Page from the link.
Go to the 'site map' at the top right.
Under VAT, Customs & Excise click 'Import/Export'
Click on the green box bottom left 'travel home page'
Click on the link 'shopping on the internet'
There you will find a link 'Common Internet Goods' which has an openable PDF giving a chart on taxes charged and chargeable. (UK)
Also a link to 'Note 143 A guide for international post users' which has many questions and answers, this will be more useful to you. There was a limit of £35 within the EU, £18 worldwide before taxes apply.
There is also a Europa link to self assess a code for a product, but it looks to be a long time loading for me and probably not useful
Now wasn't that so obvious?????????????????
I have come across Cape Seed & Bulb, but so far haven't purchased from them. If they had online ordering it might be more tempting!
Mark, once you have looked around what they have in America as wildflowers it will boggle your mind!
Mark, Your G/f works at Brigg and you want a job in horticulture? Surely either she is high up working for the Stubs family or you don't know the wages are poor in horticulture/retail! Lol No one seriously chooses to work in it. It just kind of happens. What do you do self employed?
I'm starting to feel sorry for you now Mark! Lol
Bishop of Llandaf is one worth growing. There are some new ones that are related to it that look quite cool aswell. So i'll let you grow those.
Brigg won't get some of there Dutch plants this week the guy that brings them is getting married... think he was bullied into it when his girlfriend got pregnant. Nice bloke and gets the odd english sense of humour. The dutch guys are starting to struggle now though so the future might change. We are starting to see much more Italian stuff now. It is grown quite hard in soil based compost so has good shelf life.
Yeah but where she works is a total hole!!!!!!!!! Oh i know the wages are rubbish... from what she brings home... and i know the Stubbs's treat their staff like crap... well, apart from the women they are having affairs with of course!!! hahahahahaha
Well, now you know someone who seriously wants to work in horticulture...
My own business is a taxi company i set up 10 years ago... had enough of it now!!!!!
Phew, so i got away with the Bishop Dahlia and all its offsprings... thats good!!!!!
Oh really... I dont know Mike, she never talks about work to me... once she leaves at the end of the day, she never speaks about it!!!!
I have seen that guy that brings the plants... bought some baccy off him once!! LOL
Good i am pleased the dutch are starting to struggle a bit now... they have had it too good for too long, and really they sell such crap plants!!
Ohhhhhhhhhhh Italian stuff coming through now... that sounds better!!!!
Yes as you say... time will tell!!!!!!!!
Janet... when you think about the amount of wildflowers we have as a small island... then you think about how big USA is, they must have millions and millions of wildflowers...
Got lost once more LOL could not even find the “VAT, Customs & Excise click 'Import/Export' “ place. I wonder who disigned that page.
You can send a email order to cape seed and buld, and give your credit card info.
It is not a secure way, but then again a letter could “get lost” The bulbs I resived were very fine. But received two of the same species oxalis, the label was wrong. Human mistake maybe? Could not get a answer of why that happened.
Tacca “devil to grow”, just the thing for me :o))
Nice hosta, how big does it get? In metrics please ;o)))
Nice hosta Mark, if yuo want to get a good variety the place I got mosst of mine from is Bowden's they have around 1,000 varieies. They have handed over now to their daughter and son in law. You might think some pants are quite expensive, but that depends on many factors. What I did find is they will be true to form, not like some you might purchase from a Garden Centre which are often tissue cultured and variable, I bought a Francee and it looked right when small, now it is completely different. They sell divisions.
zest, I have Guacamole, it is robust and gorgeous.
I have a link to a Dutch site somewhere that sells some of the latest hostas from America, including Hanky Panky, they are so much cheaper than Balihai in Ireland, and have more newer ones. but they take bank transfers, no credit cards, which adds a lot to it but I suppose you do save on their prices.
Mark, would that friend in Scotland be Lorraine? aka digginloz on ebay? I bought one from her, and swapped a couple, but hers were small, hard pieces and either died, reverted, or didn't do well! Mine were large, growing divisions, live and learn!
Hi Janet... Not got that many hosta!!
Its not a plant that i want too many of... a lot of them look the same! Only get them really because i love the names...!! Weird i know, but then i am!!
The chap down the road from me in a village called Somerby (6 miles away!!), has the national collection of Hosta!!! He has some really nice ones...
Its not a plant that makes me drool Janet...LOL
I have a list of her hostas which she sent me, but I wasn't happy with her plants so I wouldn't go down that road again. I hope she isn't watching! Sorry Loz!
Thanks Mark, if you dmail me your friends email addy I might contact her, maybe next year!
I listed the seeds above from silverhill, it was marginally less in price than the order came to with postage, so it looks like they have them all, the exchange rate is taken into account. Just over £40 in total!
I have a list of her hostas which she sent me, but I wasn't happy with her plants so I wouldn't go down that road again. I hope she isn't watching! Sorry Loz!
Thanks Mark, if you dmail me your friends email addy I might contact her, maybe next year!
I listed the seeds above from silverhill, it was marginally less in price than the order came to with postage, so it looks like they have them all, the exchange rate is taken into account. Just over £40 in total!
You are totally right, they can be greedy LOL, have saved the link. Thanks
Wow, Bowden's really have lots of hostas! Will have to go back at look at them again.
Was not into hostas before, but wow there are so many that there is one for every taste.
I love the big ones, they look exotic in a garden.
Hope your order get safe to you ;o))
Mark, as stated above on the 11.11am post (12.11 actually)
"I bought one from her, and swapped a couple, but hers were small, hard pieces and either died, reverted, or didn't do well! Mine were large, growing divisions, live and learn!"
Yes I will have fun growing them , along with all the Chilean seed I have yet to sow!
zest, Bowden's hostas are very good, they only send them in the growing season when they are in leaf, I would recommend them to anyone. My tastes needs to be narrowed to the very special ones if I get any more. They can become addictive!
No seriously i tried some from seed this summer and have been really surprised at how easy it was. I have quite a few in the garden i think the key is to grow them in a sunny spot and then the slugs leave well alone.
Mark, I know what you men about who's sorting out the bedding at brigg Lol I didn't like to say that as you never know who you are offending!
I know a few stories about the garden centers near here but thats a whole new thread. And not for general viewing Lol
The Italian stuff i was talking of was not the normal specimens. There are hundreds of small nurseries in the north. We will see.
I am going to try growing some Hosta from seed i think... Got some free from Ian Scroggy once!!! When do you sow them??????????????/
Oh so you know about the bedding at Brigg...??? How you know about that then???? LOL
Doesnt bother me at all if i offend the Stubs's...
tell me more...I like stories about what goes on in Garden Centres...hehehehehehe
The Italian stuff has gotta be better than the dutch... cant be any worse!!!
Here is a good tip for keeping slugs or anything else off your plants!!! As soon as the plants appear in spring, make up a garlic solution and spray your plants!!!! Not a slug or anything else will go near your plants!! Plus its totally organic!!!
Garlic barrier thats awfull stuff.Lol We tested it a couple of years and i think washing everything in rain water is more effective heheh
I do love the way every gardener gets different results and each person swears by there way. As you will see by my different hosta seed sowing method shortly heheh. We used the Garlic barrier think its the william sinclair one so could be under new horizons brand but could be any of there brands. It didn't stop spider mite and greenfly. But did stink the greenhouses out so badly no people went near Lol.
Seriously it wouldn't be right for me to say on here about the garden centres as you never know who reads this stuff.
My Hosta seed was sown in may but left in one of those cheap plastic propagators in the north side of the house so it didn't get too hot. I was looking for an even temperature of about 18oC night and day. They come up in less than 3 months. I potted them into cells when they where small as the roots can be brittle. Like i say everyone has there own way! Lol To be honest i did them late as every flat surface is taken up with bedding from end of Jan onwards.
I am not on about garlic barrier that you buy from the shop... that is rubbish!!
I make my own... Derrick Target the collection holder of Hosta at somerby uses it every year on his hosta and there isnt one nibble on his hosta!!!
I use it on my crocosmia... nothing goes near them!! Plus it makes the leaves shine on your hostas and crocosmia!!!!!
Email me then Mike about garden centres... that way no one will be able to read it.
Every surface i have is taken up with crocosmia plants... Stacked in a pyramid form for the winter...!!!! From December until march!
Phew bet his garden smells B U Beatifull Lol It does make sense though. Just can't see me being bothered. Far to lazy.
All i can say is maybe its a waste of lovely surfaces hehehe Only jokin.
Honestly my lips are seald on the story telling front. Some of these people influence my life or are customers of ours so its really not fair. But i figured you'd know about the stubs affair. Lol It didn't seem to be a secret. I heard about a year ago the guy that owns the field opposite wyevale near you was setting up a garden centre (he used to grow straw berries) have you heard anything? Also it was in the news about Greenways closing down. i think there up your neck of the woods too.? Stubs family any closer to finding a place the other side of the humber bridge? It does amaze me that there are no real big succesfull centres in lincolnshire all the big ones are big because there big, not because there good!.
A friend of the family owns Strikes/Klondike's so i had the grand tour round there newest one. Was a real eye opener. Still not a plant persons store but good retail standards etc.
surprisingly, it doesnt smell at all... amazing isnt it!!! But, the main thing is it works...
I dont blame you for keeping your lips sealed... like you say, you never know whos watching!!! Or who knows who... not that it bothers me... i dont know anyone!!
Wyevale... isn't that in Louth?????????? Noooooooo, i dont know anything about the guy that is setting up a garden centre...
Never heard of Greenways either...LOL
The stubs, found a place in Lancashire... but that seems to have died a death... probably fell through!!
I think they have enough on their hands with Brigg and that other dump they own!!!
Personally i detest garden centres... i much prefer to find a little nursery somewhere in the middle of nowhere, that just sells plants and nothing else!!
I dont want to go to a graden centre and trapse round all the giftware and clothing and garden chairs and all that junk... i am there for the plants or the compost!!! Mind you... with big garden centres, that means buying dutch plants i guess...
Where are Strikes/Klondike's?????????????
Non of em are plant persons stores anymore...LOL
Oh yes... its a small industry!!
Have you ever been to cottage nurseries at Alford...???
Its a bit run down but some of the plants are fantastic... find alsorts in there!!
Congratulations Mark, looking great so far! I like your face page pic (the crocosmia!), I did one of those shot in the mirror portraits too!
I guess you have come across Trecanna, they have a lot of crocosmia, including Pepper, not available at the moment, but quite nice and I gather rare too. They have many other Sth African bulbs too. You might find something you don't have!
Why Thank you Janet
Oh so you do the face in the mirror thing too...LOL. Great fun i think!!!
Yep i know Trecanna... run by a chap called Mark Walsh...!!
Yes i know he has quite a few crocosmia... he is still after one of mine that is sooooooooooo rare!! But it is a very slow grower and i cant give him any yet. I am sure he thinks i dont want him to have any of it...LOL
He holds African Bulb open days everyso often!! You should go...
If you look on the site i made, in the links... you will see he is there!!
Mark, I just got lost on your links! I have come across or dealt with most of them, the Cottage Nursery near Alford is very tempting, they have the best and latest, many plants there that I had at some time wanted but not yet got!
Probably place the order tonight! Gotta go out for supplies...not garden supplies!
I think I have about finalised it, this means I will be putting the malesiana on hold, this takes priority...and all for the price of a book!
here is my pending list
Fritillaria recurva Siskiyou Summit coll.
Iris chrysographes (had black form once, it got trod on and just went forever!)
Gladiouls dalenii lime green form
These are quoted in $US but are in Wales, they do their own collecting and get seed from the best sources, often private collections and all have collection notes and originations.
Oh dear Mark, I think you have too many irons in the fire! Pssssst...nobody's listening...you put your site link above!
Thanks for the links, they are very intersting. Who would have thought Caistor coomes from the latin word for camp :o)
Like the viking way link, did not know it existed at all.
Nice to see were there are walks all over Europe as well
wow Janet that is quite a collection you are gathering. Hope you post some photos next year :o))
Monica, I don't think any of those will be ready to flower next year, but if you know me I am ALWAYS posting photos!
Mark, more likely a Welsh company with American links I think! I would say the market is geared towards attracting the Americans, payment is in $US and can be paid by Paypal, but they say there is a BP converter (on shopping cart I imagine!)
You are welcome for the links...Thats because Caistor was a Roman Camp...!!
The viking way is amazing... we have hoards of people arrive all summer long to walk a few miles on the viking way!! Amazing to think you Danes ravishing our women and killing our countrymen... yet we still talk to you!! LOL
sorry i didn't really mean that... joking!!
Hey, check out the ABOUT ME page Monica... you are in there!!!!
LOL reminded my of Mrs Hyacinth BOUQUET when she was in Copenhagen and whent panic when she remembered about the vikings, love that series.
Wow thank’s for mentioning me on your page :o))) I am very honoured :o))
Hope your book comes soon.
Janet you are right about posting your photos, they are a delight here in DG
ohhhhhhhhhhh Hyacinth Bucket... lol
I havent seen that, when she was in Copenhagen...
Awww, I knew you would love a mention in my site... i like the idea that people can go to your site and view all your weeds!! LOL LOL LOL
Yes, i hope the book comes soon... may even copy a page out of it and put it on here, just to make Janet jealous!! hahahahahahaha
Mark, they probably have to get the book fromSth Africa! I wonder if they own the shop, the Publishers that is, as I mentioned before the price was the same. They may just gather a bunch of orders before bringing them over.
didn't know you were there Janet!!!!!
It says on the site that delivery is within 10 days!!!!!
So, yes maybe they do have to get the book from Sth Africa!! I guess it would cost a fortune to get the books over from S.A... so yeah maybe they wait until they have a bunch of orders!!
we will never really know...
mike you do go on a bit! (as if I don't, but mine is, hopefully, more to the point!))
Payment on-line is always by credit, not cheque, but I suppose you already know that.
Checked on the date you bought Mark, evening of 29th, that's 7 days so shouldn't be long. Pleeeease photocopy the pages (all of them) then I can just save them! (hehe)
Well, I did it, placed my order with jjaseeds! A bit steep, but good seeds always are, after all they do collect many of them, lucky things! $5 postage too, it's the same wherever and payment via Paypal is in $. Pays a little for their airfares to collect the seed.
Actually the book was quite cheap compared to some places that sell it... Should be a good reference book i think!!!
It may even convince me to start a collection of Gladiolus... you never know!!!
I just checked my NCCPG Collections Directory... no one has the national collection of species Gladiolus!! There you go Janet... something for you to maybe look into!!
Maybe Monica with her Oxalis would love to borrow your weed book Mike!!! LOL
I already have my own... its called Crocosmia and Chasmanthe
Shame, there are some great things there! I got an email pdf of Penroc seeds well over a year ago, impossible to go through, but I found some great things. Trouble is they only accept bank transfers, I passed them by but in the future, well...giving bank details to Sth Africa is risky too, even the bank staff are half crooked! Paypal only gives them the money, it's time more of them went that route.
I did come across another interesting site recently, their seeds I was informed was only wholesale, but they do sell bulbs and have some really rarish stuff. They take credit card, but is email ordering and still risky. Besides, I keep spending too much!
I bought Protea seeds and a couple of other things from finebushpeople.co.za, they are family run and only they have access to the decoder for credit cards.
I won't hold you to copying you whole book, but it would be good!
yeps been busy reading with my seeds, and planning what`s and were`s for next year.
Will probably undo the hole thing during the boring and dark winter months coming ahed.
Thanks for the seeds and your message in my guestbook LOL very funny LOL :o)
If you want any more seeds to play with... you can have some!!!
I am sure you will sort it all out before4 next spring!! LOL
You should have some lovely plants next year if they all grow!!!!
LOL... Loved writing that message in your guest book...
I spent some time reading, a quick stroll thru the seeds, I see where some other seed sellers get their seeds from, good prices too! It does look like anyone can order, I had only come across their Botanical Soc. before and it seemed , at the time to be restricted to SA only.
The pdf from penroc is on an old computer, which seems to have lost it's windows page but some things can be found by bringing up a menu at the top somehow! If I found it I don't think I could print it off, it was one of those mile wide things. I could email it to myself, maybe IF I can find it. I have used the computer on the odd occasion when my new one has frozen up, but sometimes it can play strange games. I just wish these people in SA could make things easier!
The last company I got the list of bulbs from was www.simplyindigenous.co.za remember they only sell seed wholesale but have some great bulbs, with a large minimum order.
This is how they require payment
"Payment can be made by credit card (only master or visa) or by international money transfer. It is far too dangerous to send any cheques to South Africa & cash is an absolute NO. We require authorization from our bankers before we may process large international credit card transactions (at this time approximately US$3000.00 +). Credit card details may be faxed to us or emailed in 2 or 3 separate emails if you prefer, for security reasons. Please fax or email us a short note with all your details (name, address, contact numbers, passport number) clearly stating that you authorize us to charge the specific amount to your credit card. No matter how big or small the transaction might be, our bank insists that all international credit card charges are accompanied by the client’s authorization in writing."
Hmmm, they might just as well mug me in the street and steal my passport!
Baa, when do Kirstenbosch put out their new catalogue, it would appear as from 1st January as the one Mark sent stated valid until end Dec 05 I think.
Hmm… that is a tricky question. Actually we can go a hole winter with out snow.
There is a lot of terrible winds and frost though, probably worse for the plants, as snow gives a bit of protection (so I am told anyway).
You never now when it will snow; some were between early november to april ;o))
And if it does it often melts very quickly.
Oh really... I always thouight Denmark was a snow covered country!!!!!
Yes, the wind and frosts are bad for the plants... much better to have lots of snow and that will give some protection to plants!!!
I just got back from a trip to one of the (2) garden centers (the one that actually still sells a few plants and not just giftware and stuff like that) - bought "a few" bulbs and came across Gladiolus byzantinus corms. Ofcourse I HAD to buy them and give them a try - have any of you grown these? Is it safe for me to plant them outside? I looked them up in the plantfiles and it says hardy to z5 ... are they really? Gladiolus seems so tender to me :-) Thinking about planting them up against my south wall to keep them dry and cozy over winter - shouldn't they be safe there?
Good for you rannveig! If they are selling them I would think they should have a reasonable chance of surviving!
I have G communis ssp byzantinus, or it is suppsed to be that! I have it next to my south facing wall, they die off in the summer and are kept quite dry, except for a little water I give to the hardy fuchsias I have there. They takeover after the glads have died back, and will help to keep the bulbs dry by taking up water.
I have pics in PF, my main lot I lifted when revamping the bed and didn't get htem replanted but they set seed and Ihave them all over!
Hmm now don't tell me you took offence at the lady Oz thing that is completely not what was meant. Notice by the Lady part and Oz yes simply i'm assuming Australian.
You could be right about the world record thing though that was half a dozen replies discussing my Lady oz comment. Lol
Earlier on we where talking Hosta seed. Has anyone taken seed of there hostas? Mine have seed pods for the first time ever. Is it worth the bother?
Baa... can i ask you... are you male or female???????????????
You can ask, you proved you could ;)
If I had a quid for every time someone asked me that question I'd have about £716.50, the 50ps are from those who have admitted to me that they chickened out asking the question *G*. I've even been into unisex hairdressers and they've been confused over which section to send me.
I like that answer Baa! The answer is, a human being! The very reason I title myself 'Ms' instead of 'Mrs'! It really should be none of those either, a 'Mr' doesn't have a married alternative!
Mark, well you tried! Curiosity got a clever reply!
BTW Mark, has your book arrived yet? AND do you have your Nat. Coll. status? Pleeeease may the gods grant you this! Have you looked at the larger pics of the page of species pics I Iinked to above? It is Sooo easy to get into Glad species when you see those!
Its your fault Janet... you told me to ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss the book has arrived... this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sent you a pic of the front cover to make you jealous!!!!!
National Collection status... I wont know until the NCCPG panel have their meeting on 8th November... they will then discuss my collection and everything about it... THEN they will decide YES or NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have verything crossed... hopeing that they say yes...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No, i havent looked at the larger pics of Glad species yet... Havent had much time today!!!!! BUT I WILL LOOK LATER!!!!!!!!!!!