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LavinaMae
Grantsboro, NC
(Zone 8b)

January 10, 2007
9:44 AM

Post #3070279

I am looking for huge pine cones. I wwant a pine tree that produces them also.
Any ideas?
Lavina

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 10, 2007
10:14 AM

Post #3070305

The best in NC is Pinus palustris (Longleaf Pine), cones 15-23cm long. Look for it on the coastal plain.

Otherwise, move to California. Pinus lambertiana (Sugar Pine) has the longest cones, 30-60cm long, while Pinus coulteri (Big-cone Pine) has the heaviest, 20-40cm long and up to 2kg weight. But these can't be grown in the NC climate.

Resin
Lucky_P
Hopkinsville, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 10, 2007
2:16 PM

Post #3070809

Agreed. P.palustris makes large handsome cones, and would probably work for you there in Raleigh.

I've received some Jeffrey pine(P.jeffreyi) cones from a friend in the Reno NV area - fairly comparable in size to longleaf cones; lighter in color - and the seeds are pretty sizeable, kind of like a plump watermelon seed - not as hefty as pinyon pine seeds, but large enough to do duty as an edible pine nut. Don't know how well, if at all P.jeffreyi would fare in NC.
chamthy
Selma, NC
(Zone 7b)

January 11, 2007
12:24 PM

Post #3073712

LavinaMae, keep your eyes peeled for large cones on the ground around pines locally. Longleaf pine-P.palustris does grow here and to the untrained eye doesn't look much different from all the Loblollies around here. You just have to look. Beautiful cones.
escambiaguy
Atmore, AL
(Zone 8b)

January 11, 2007
5:20 PM

Post #3074507

Lavina, if you do plant a longleaf try to find some "plugs". These are small seedlings that won't be rootbound from growing in a pot. I do know of one guy on ebay that sells them and I think he is in NC.
LavinaMae
Grantsboro, NC
(Zone 8b)

January 11, 2007
10:04 PM

Post #3075192

I used to live in Heflin Ala and was raisedin Tallapoosa, GA never do I remember big pine cones.
I'll check out the e-bay guy.
Thanks

Lavina
Soferdig
Kalispell, MT
(Zone 4b)

January 12, 2007
12:41 AM

Post #3075544

My mature Ponderosa Pine have cones that are between 4 to 5" base and 8 to 10" high. Very symetrical cones and strong. There is a huge market for the cones here to be shipped all over.

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 12, 2007
9:41 AM

Post #3076190

Hi Soferdig,
Quoting:My mature Ponderosa Pine have cones that are between 4 to 5" base and 8 to 10" high

That is too large for P. ponderosa - could they be planted P. jeffreyi? Can you post a photo of some?

Resin
Lucky_P
Hopkinsville, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 12, 2007
2:23 PM

Post #3076651

Hmm.
I've got a Jeffrey cone here in the office, 4.5" wide X 6.75" tall. A good, sturdy cone.
Been a while since I've seen a good longleaf cone(you just don't see 'em up here in KY), but it seems like they were bigger - but, that may be a childhood mis-remembrance, as we always tend to remember things from the past as being bigger, better, tastier, etc., whether that was truly the case or not..
gloria125
Greensboro, AL

January 13, 2007
10:03 PM

Post #3080770

the biggest pine cones I have ever seen in my life were at Lake Tahoe, from pines growing on the slopes of that indescribable alpine lake. don't know what kind they were.
LavinaMae
Grantsboro, NC
(Zone 8b)

January 13, 2007
10:42 PM

Post #3080868

Ok folks I may be looking for a Jeffery pine cone found a place says they are 6-9 inches tall.

Lavina
willis_mckenna
Lombard, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 13, 2007
10:53 PM

Post #3080916

Gloria, maybe a sugar pine like Resin said earlier as they grow in the Sierras.

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chamthy
Selma, NC
(Zone 7b)

January 13, 2007
10:58 PM

Post #3080932

Lavina- I just measured one random longleaf cone from the ones I collected in December locally- 8 inches tall. I live in Johnston Co. just a short drive from Raleigh.
LavinaMae
Grantsboro, NC
(Zone 8b)

January 14, 2007
12:01 AM

Post #3081175

chamthy I have d-mailed you

Wow huge pine cones in Selma. Never knew that.

I live between Garner and Clayton

Lavina
conifer50
Ellijay, GA
(Zone 7a)

January 14, 2007
12:09 AM

Post #3081214

Gloria,...if you should happen to frequent Lake Tahoe once again, you might like to visit this locale!!!!

conifer50

California side...

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gloria125
Greensboro, AL

January 14, 2007
12:11 PM

Post #3082367

Confier50: I hope everyone who reads your post will make an effort to go to Sugar Pine park.
Visiting Lake Tahoe was one of those quantum life experiences for me. As a student of Anthropology in California, the Washoe Indians were always presented as "grubbers"--people who lived off grubs and insects. Then I learned their summer home was Lake Tahoe. Those people lived better than most of us! I worked on a research project in the Reno-Tahoe-Virginia City area one summer. It is an area of unique ecology encompasing the desert lake, Pyramid Lake, and the alpine forest at Tahoe that every American should experience. It also, 'splains a lot about western mentality as opposed to how the rest of us think. One woman told me, in Nevada, "women are women and men are men." An antiquated idea if I ever heard one! One might add, "and pine cones are pine cones."

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 14, 2007
1:08 PM

Post #3082484

Some large cones (and smaller ones for comparison)

1 Longleaf Pine (Pinus palustris) Florida; 23cm
2 Loblolly Pine (Pinus taeda) Texas; 13cm
3 Jeffrey Pine (Pinus jeffreyi) Calif.; 24cm
4 Ponderosa Pine (Pinus ponderosa) Oregon; 12cm
5 Big-cone Pine (Pinus coulteri) Calif.; 35cm
6 Sugar Pine (Pinus lambertiana) Calif.; 53cm

Resin

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gloria125
Greensboro, AL

January 14, 2007
3:04 PM

Post #3082778

Yes! Excellent comparison. Those pine cones were whoppers! Wonder if the Indians ate the seeds?
Soferdig
Kalispell, MT
(Zone 4b)

January 15, 2007
8:15 PM

Post #3087046

Sorry I didn't put this thread in watch. here is the cone maybe not 8" tall most big ones probably 6". This is just one out of my kindling box not one of the big ones.

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ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 15, 2007
9:26 PM

Post #3087271

OK, you coaxed me into dragging out my class pictures.

Well, they are really the Christmas table decoration collection from around the U.S. These are the pines. Some of them might be the same as what Resin illustrated; maybe not.

I had to set up for this assembly, and I had some help.

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Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 15, 2007
9:29 PM

Post #3087280

Looks more like a moggie to me!

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 15, 2007
9:33 PM

Post #3087289

This is a meter and a half of Smilax hispida (the orange cat).

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kandlmidd
Presque Isle, WI
(Zone 3b)

January 15, 2007
9:39 PM

Post #3087303

He must have et the cones. Bad cat!

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 15, 2007
9:39 PM

Post #3087305

I had to bring in law enforcement to restore order; Quercus macrocarpa kept the hooligans at bay.

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kandlmidd
Presque Isle, WI
(Zone 3b)

January 15, 2007
9:41 PM

Post #3087313

Is Quercus old enough to date now?

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 15, 2007
9:44 PM

Post #3087323

Grief, a whole herd of cats!

From earlier . . .

Quoting:Wonder if the Indians ate the seeds?

Yes, they did

Quoting:here is the cone maybe not 8" tall most big ones probably 6". This is just one out of my kindling box not one of the big ones

That's certainly P. ponderosa, a good large one. 6" (15cm) would be exceptional for P. ponderosa in Montana (though fairly regular in California)

Resin

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 15, 2007
9:49 PM

Post #3087338

I didn't expect Ken to have read the measuring stick; he's still thawing.

I did exaggerate the stretch of Smilax; he's only about 90 cm.

Here's the collection.

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Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 15, 2007
10:14 PM

Post #3087415

Anyone want a crack at guessing what this one is?

28cm long.

Resin

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chamthy
Selma, NC
(Zone 7b)

January 15, 2007
11:51 PM

Post #3087740

VV, what are the smaller ones on the left end? I picked up a couple like that on a trip to the NC coast a few years ago.

BTW that 8 inch cone was the largest of the lot of Longleaf cones I have.
Soferdig
Kalispell, MT
(Zone 4b)

January 16, 2007
2:18 AM

Post #3088253

I bet there isn't a single woman in this whole discussion. Who has the biggest cone is happening again. This time I'm saving my big ones! LOL

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gloria125
Greensboro, AL

January 16, 2007
2:56 AM

Post #3088427

Hey! I do happen to be a female person. And I bet there is at least one other. Lavinamae sounds suspiciously of the feminine aspect. Nobody told me this was a macho forum!

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 16, 2007
3:01 AM

Post #3088439

Is that Mattie driving?

If I knew all the cones in that picture, I'd have listed them. Now I'll leave myself open to Resin's corrections and just guess.

Starting upper left to right:
•seeds from various cones
Pinus virginiana (4)
Pinus nigra maybe? (2)
Pinus strobus (3)

Lower left to right:
•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park, near Mill Valley CA; I thought these were Bishop pine (Pinus muricata) but now I think that they are like the Pinus jeffreyi in Resin's picture (though they have the 'hooks' like Pinus coulteri, and are heavy!)
Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3)
kman_blue

(Zone 6b)

January 16, 2007
4:44 AM

Post #3088676

Being horrible at Pinus ID's, I'll take a stab at Resin's cone. hehe
Is it Pinus wallichiana?
LavinaMae
Grantsboro, NC
(Zone 8b)

January 16, 2007
9:58 AM

Post #3088847

WelI I am a lady, I birthed 2 kids.LOL
Love the cats I needed a laugh and the threads I am reading this AM have got me cacking loudly. Glad I am the only peron in the office so far.
I want some of the 2 biggest cones in the picture.
ViburnumValley did those come from your area?

Talk to you all later.

Lavina


Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 16, 2007
5:46 PM

Post #3090072

Quoting:
•Pinus virginiana (4) - pic is too small to tell for sure, can you do a close-up, please?
•Pinus nigra maybe? (2) - not Pinus nigra; probably P. taeda
•Pinus strobus (3) - yep

Lower left to right:
•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park, near Mill Valley CA; I thought these were Bishop pine (Pinus muricata) but now I think that they are like the Pinus jeffreyi in Resin's picture (though they have the 'hooks' like Pinus coulteri, and are heavy!)
•Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3)


•Pinus virginiana (4) - pic is too small to tell for sure, can you do a close-up, please?
•Pinus nigra maybe? (2) - not Pinus nigra; probably P. taeda, but again needs a close-up
•Pinus strobus (3) - yep

•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park - they are Pinus coulteri, or possibly P. sabineana (definitely not P. jeffreyi). Are the seed cavities more than half the length of the scales, or less? (see pic below)
•Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3) - yep

Quoting:Being horrible at Pinus ID's, I'll take a stab at Resin's cone. hehe
Is it Pinus wallichiana?

Nope, sorry! (and only distantly related to that)

Resin

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ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 16, 2007
10:51 PM

Post #3090933

When I get home, I'll take a closeup pic of these cones and seeds. You hold the cats at bay.
kman_blue

(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2007
6:11 PM

Post #3103705

Ok, for my second shot in the dark guess to pineresin's cone ID. Pinus ayacahuite ?

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 20, 2007
7:26 PM

Post #3103904

Quoting:Ok, for my second shot in the dark guess to pineresin's cone ID. Pinus ayacahuite ?

Sorry, no better than before! Wrong subgenus (but I will grant you, right country).

Resin
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2007
8:05 PM

Post #3103981

Is it in subgenus Pinus, sectionTrifoleae?
willis_mckenna
Lombard, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 20, 2007
8:36 PM

Post #3104069

Pinus maximartinezii?

edited to say scratch that guess

This message was edited Jan 20, 2007 3:37 PM

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 20, 2007
9:04 PM

Post #3104135

Quoting:Is it in subgenus Pinus, sectionTrifoleae?

Yes!

Resin

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 20, 2007
10:28 PM

Post #3104341

I can only guess Pinus michoacana, having never seen the plant or its parts.
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2007
10:44 PM

Post #3104388

One I haven't ruled out is P. devoniana.

This is hard to find info about! It's fun trying, though.

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 20, 2007
10:52 PM

Post #3104410

Both correct on identity, Claypa wins on correct nomenclature!

Pinus devoniana (syn. P. michoacana) it is

Resin
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2007
10:58 PM

Post #3104432

Well, like my high school algebra teacher said, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. . .
escambiaguy
Atmore, AL
(Zone 8b)

January 31, 2007
10:04 PM

Post #3143189

Here's a big cone I picked up today. I'm not sure if it's from Longleaf pine or Slash pine, both were growing in the area.

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Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

January 31, 2007
10:20 PM

Post #3143234

Longleaf, for definite. Slash has smaller, more numerous scales, and wouldn't get quite so long (my longest Slash cone is just over 15cm long).

Resin
rutholive
Tonasket, WA
(Zone 5a)

February 2, 2007
4:26 AM

Post #3147849

Sorry I didn't get to this thread sooner, Very funny and interesting.

I'm not very versed in identifying cones. Many years ago when the kids were small, on a trip up and down the CA coast we collected quite a few cones, mostly the very large ones. VV is that largest cone in your collection #3087338, the one called Sugar Pine cone. As you can tell I don't know much about them, maybe because I am a female amongst all you males.

Soferdig, where are you going with the tractor? to gather some cones from your pines. How big does a Ponderosa have to be to be mature. Mine , the largest, 11 years, about 8" trunk at base. They have yet to grow any cones.

Donna

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

February 2, 2007
3:19 PM

Post #3148819

Quoting:VV is that largest cone in your collection #3087338, the one called Sugar Pine

No, that's Big-cone Pine (Pinus coulteri) or possibly Gray Pine (Pinus sabineana).

For Sugar Pine, see the right-hand cone in post #3082484 (14 Jan 2007)

Resin

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