huge pine cones/what type pine tree?

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

I am looking for huge pine cones. I wwant a pine tree that produces them also.
Any ideas?
Lavina

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

The best in NC is Pinus palustris (Longleaf Pine), cones 15-23cm long. Look for it on the coastal plain.

Otherwise, move to California. Pinus lambertiana (Sugar Pine) has the longest cones, 30-60cm long, while Pinus coulteri (Big-cone Pine) has the heaviest, 20-40cm long and up to 2kg weight. But these can't be grown in the NC climate.

Resin

Hopkinsville, KY(Zone 6b)

Agreed. P.palustris makes large handsome cones, and would probably work for you there in Raleigh.

I've received some Jeffrey pine(P.jeffreyi) cones from a friend in the Reno NV area - fairly comparable in size to longleaf cones; lighter in color - and the seeds are pretty sizeable, kind of like a plump watermelon seed - not as hefty as pinyon pine seeds, but large enough to do duty as an edible pine nut. Don't know how well, if at all P.jeffreyi would fare in NC.

Selma, NC(Zone 7b)

LavinaMae, keep your eyes peeled for large cones on the ground around pines locally. Longleaf pine-P.palustris does grow here and to the untrained eye doesn't look much different from all the Loblollies around here. You just have to look. Beautiful cones.

Atmore, AL(Zone 8b)

Lavina, if you do plant a longleaf try to find some "plugs". These are small seedlings that won't be rootbound from growing in a pot. I do know of one guy on ebay that sells them and I think he is in NC.

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

I used to live in Heflin Ala and was raisedin Tallapoosa, GA never do I remember big pine cones.
I'll check out the e-bay guy.
Thanks

Lavina

Kalispell, MT(Zone 4b)

My mature Ponderosa Pine have cones that are between 4 to 5" base and 8 to 10" high. Very symetrical cones and strong. There is a huge market for the cones here to be shipped all over.

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Hi Soferdig,

Quoting:
My mature Ponderosa Pine have cones that are between 4 to 5" base and 8 to 10" high

That is too large for P. ponderosa - could they be planted P. jeffreyi? Can you post a photo of some?

Resin

Hopkinsville, KY(Zone 6b)

Hmm.
I've got a Jeffrey cone here in the office, 4.5" wide X 6.75" tall. A good, sturdy cone.
Been a while since I've seen a good longleaf cone(you just don't see 'em up here in KY), but it seems like they were bigger - but, that may be a childhood mis-remembrance, as we always tend to remember things from the past as being bigger, better, tastier, etc., whether that was truly the case or not..

Greensboro, AL

the biggest pine cones I have ever seen in my life were at Lake Tahoe, from pines growing on the slopes of that indescribable alpine lake. don't know what kind they were.

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

Ok folks I may be looking for a Jeffery pine cone found a place says they are 6-9 inches tall.

Lavina

Lombard, IL(Zone 5b)

Gloria, maybe a sugar pine like Resin said earlier as they grow in the Sierras.

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Selma, NC(Zone 7b)

Lavina- I just measured one random longleaf cone from the ones I collected in December locally- 8 inches tall. I live in Johnston Co. just a short drive from Raleigh.

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

chamthy I have d-mailed you

Wow huge pine cones in Selma. Never knew that.

I live between Garner and Clayton

Lavina

Ellijay, GA(Zone 7a)

Gloria,.......if you should happen to frequent Lake Tahoe once again, you might like to visit this locale!!!!

conifer50

California side.......

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Greensboro, AL

Confier50: I hope everyone who reads your post will make an effort to go to Sugar Pine park.
Visiting Lake Tahoe was one of those quantum life experiences for me. As a student of Anthropology in California, the Washoe Indians were always presented as "grubbers"--people who lived off grubs and insects. Then I learned their summer home was Lake Tahoe. Those people lived better than most of us! I worked on a research project in the Reno-Tahoe-Virginia City area one summer. It is an area of unique ecology encompasing the desert lake, Pyramid Lake, and the alpine forest at Tahoe that every American should experience. It also, 'splains a lot about western mentality as opposed to how the rest of us think. One woman told me, in Nevada, "women are women and men are men." An antiquated idea if I ever heard one! One might add, "and pine cones are pine cones."

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Some large cones (and smaller ones for comparison)

1 Longleaf Pine (Pinus palustris) Florida; 23cm
2 Loblolly Pine (Pinus taeda) Texas; 13cm
3 Jeffrey Pine (Pinus jeffreyi) Calif.; 24cm
4 Ponderosa Pine (Pinus ponderosa) Oregon; 12cm
5 Big-cone Pine (Pinus coulteri) Calif.; 35cm
6 Sugar Pine (Pinus lambertiana) Calif.; 53cm

Resin

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Greensboro, AL

Yes! Excellent comparison. Those pine cones were whoppers! Wonder if the Indians ate the seeds?

Kalispell, MT(Zone 4b)

Sorry I didn't put this thread in watch. here is the cone maybe not 8" tall most big ones probably 6". This is just one out of my kindling box not one of the big ones.

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Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

OK, you coaxed me into dragging out my class pictures.

Well, they are really the Christmas table decoration collection from around the U.S. These are the pines. Some of them might be the same as what Resin illustrated; maybe not.

I had to set up for this assembly, and I had some help.

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Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Looks more like a moggie to me!

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

This is a meter and a half of Smilax hispida (the orange cat).

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Presque Isle, WI(Zone 3b)

He must have et the cones. Bad cat!

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

I had to bring in law enforcement to restore order; Quercus macrocarpa kept the hooligans at bay.

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Presque Isle, WI(Zone 3b)

Is Quercus old enough to date now?

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Grief, a whole herd of cats!

From earlier . . .

Quoting:
Wonder if the Indians ate the seeds?

Yes, they did

Quoting:
here is the cone maybe not 8" tall most big ones probably 6". This is just one out of my kindling box not one of the big ones

That's certainly P. ponderosa, a good large one. 6" (15cm) would be exceptional for P. ponderosa in Montana (though fairly regular in California)

Resin

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

I didn't expect Ken to have read the measuring stick; he's still thawing.

I did exaggerate the stretch of Smilax; he's only about 90 cm.

Here's the collection.

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Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Anyone want a crack at guessing what this one is?

28cm long.

Resin

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Selma, NC(Zone 7b)

VV, what are the smaller ones on the left end? I picked up a couple like that on a trip to the NC coast a few years ago.

BTW that 8 inch cone was the largest of the lot of Longleaf cones I have.

Kalispell, MT(Zone 4b)

I bet there isn't a single woman in this whole discussion. Who has the biggest cone is happening again. This time I'm saving my big ones! LOL

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Greensboro, AL

Hey! I do happen to be a female person. And I bet there is at least one other. Lavinamae sounds suspiciously of the feminine aspect. Nobody told me this was a macho forum!

Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

Is that Mattie driving?

If I knew all the cones in that picture, I'd have listed them. Now I'll leave myself open to Resin's corrections and just guess.

Starting upper left to right:
•seeds from various cones
Pinus virginiana (4)
Pinus nigra maybe? (2)
Pinus strobus (3)

Lower left to right:
•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park, near Mill Valley CA; I thought these were Bishop pine (Pinus muricata) but now I think that they are like the Pinus jeffreyi in Resin's picture (though they have the 'hooks' like Pinus coulteri, and are heavy!)
Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3)

(Zone 6b)

Being horrible at Pinus ID's, I'll take a stab at Resin's cone. hehe
Is it Pinus wallichiana?

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

WelI I am a lady, I birthed 2 kids.LOL
Love the cats I needed a laugh and the threads I am reading this AM have got me cacking loudly. Glad I am the only peron in the office so far.
I want some of the 2 biggest cones in the picture.
ViburnumValley did those come from your area?

Talk to you all later.

Lavina


Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

Quoting:

•Pinus virginiana (4) - pic is too small to tell for sure, can you do a close-up, please?
•Pinus nigra maybe? (2) - not Pinus nigra; probably P. taeda
•Pinus strobus (3) - yep

Lower left to right:
•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park, near Mill Valley CA; I thought these were Bishop pine (Pinus muricata) but now I think that they are like the Pinus jeffreyi in Resin's picture (though they have the 'hooks' like Pinus coulteri, and are heavy!)
•Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3)


•Pinus virginiana (4) - pic is too small to tell for sure, can you do a close-up, please?
•Pinus nigra maybe? (2) - not Pinus nigra; probably P. taeda, but again needs a close-up
•Pinus strobus (3) - yep

•3 big cones from Mt. Tamalpais State Park - they are Pinus coulteri, or possibly P. sabineana (definitely not P. jeffreyi). Are the seed cavities more than half the length of the scales, or less? (see pic below)
•Pinus x schwerinii 'Prairie Giant' (3) - yep

Quoting:
Being horrible at Pinus ID's, I'll take a stab at Resin's cone. hehe
Is it Pinus wallichiana?

Nope, sorry! (and only distantly related to that)

Resin

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Scott County, KY(Zone 5b)

When I get home, I'll take a closeup pic of these cones and seeds. You hold the cats at bay.

(Zone 6b)

Ok, for my second shot in the dark guess to pineresin's cone ID. Pinus ayacahuite ?

Northumberland, United Kingdom(Zone 9a)

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Ok, for my second shot in the dark guess to pineresin's cone ID. Pinus ayacahuite ?

Sorry, no better than before! Wrong subgenus (but I will grant you, right country).

Resin

West Pottsgrove, PA(Zone 6b)

Is it in subgenus Pinus, sectionTrifoleae?

Lombard, IL(Zone 5b)

Pinus maximartinezii?

edited to say scratch that guess

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