Have seen a few requests for photos of arches and trellises over the years. I figured I might as well make a post to show photos of the ones I have made out of livestock fence panels. The livestock fence panels are used by ranchers out here for holding pens and corrals. They are easily welded on to pipe frames and are extremely sturdy. I remember we had a 2000 pound bull attempt to jump over a six foot tall corral one year. He couldn't get his fat butt over the pipe framework and ended up getting a leg caught up in the panel. We had to quickly grab the bolt cutters to set him free before he got hurt or broke his leg. The panel wires bent a little but didn't budge much. Scary!!!
Okay, the fence panels are made of galvanize steel...they won't fall apart or rust!!! I buy mine at McCoy's but figure if ya'll have a home improvement or ranch supply store they'd probably have them there too. They cost about $16 each and they are 52 inches wide by 16 feet long. I love using them!!!
I use bolt cutters to clip them into three long strips that are 16 feet long and about 18 inches wide to make simple arches. I clip the bottom rung from each end and push the 6 inch or so prongs that remain into the ground to stabilize the arch.
Other times I have my brother weld triangular obelisks of various heights for me. Again, I clip the bottom rung and push the remaining prongs into the ground to hold the obelisk in place.
You can use a dremmel tool with a cut-off wheel to cut the wire but it is 1/4" thick and it's a slow process. Bolt cutters are so much quicker.
I still have plans to make other shapes and designs but haven't gotten around to it. Would love to use panels with smaller blocks and cut out a heart or star design to hang from a tree. Of course, a box or platform to hold a potted plant would be welded onto it or sandwiched between two panels so I could have a vine growing all over it.
Am going to post a bunch of photos I have...and hope others that have used livestock fence panels will post their photos too.
Here's a photo of what the 16 foot long by 52 inch wide livestock fence panel looks like.
A simple arch over my front walkway with passiflora growing on it too. There is also a straight panel along the length of my walkway that I put in place to divide the front flowerbed from the walkway. I recently put another passiflora there and will let it cover that panel.
I love this stuff for arches/arbors, too. I got the idea several years ago from the Antique Rose Emporium (ARE) - I love stealing their ideas, lol (they are also who I got my short, purple fence idea from.)
WOW Maggiemoo!!! I like that wood framed arch. Way cool with that bench :o) Gotta love that purple fence ey!!! I really like the way the wood frame defines the trellis. Hmmm...can ya'll hear my brain cells tinkering? :o)
Here's another photo from several years ago - it's part of a tall obelisk (well, you can't see it beneath the vines - but this one was 8 ft tall and I had a single Japanese Morning Glory - Henka Asagao Blue Blizzard - growing in the middle of it.
I used bolt cutters to cut a strip six squares wide (about 3 feet) and the length of the panel (16 feet). I then laid that on the ground and bent over the panel along the second square wire. Then I bent over the other side along the second square wire too...so it formed a loosely bent triangle. I then laid it on the ground with the 'open sides' up and held it in place as my brother tack welded the two open sides together. I then cut the 16 foot section in half - more or less to form two 8 foot obelisks. You could pretty much make an obelisk taller...but for stability you'd probably have to make each side wider and stake it into the ground with rebar.
If you don't have anyone who can tack weld the piece together to form a triangle I am sure sturdy sections of wire can be wrapped around the two pieces at various intervals to bind them together. Those plastic cuff-ties should work well too. Just use several along the length of the piece.
Here's a photo of a smaller obelisk - I use this type on my trailing rose bushes to keep the bottom half of the bush in check. The rose bush branches grow up and out from the top and I'm able to mow and do yard work without getting caught up in thorns.
You can also see where I clipped a rung and left prongs that I can push into the ground to stabilize the obelisk.
Thanks TPP, I may try that, I don't have anyone to tack weld it. Someday I would like to learn how to weld, but until then I could tie it together with wire. Great idea, and it seems like it would be very sturdy. Most obelisks that I've seen for sale are under 8' and I've never seen a vine that is less than that, most are much taller.
Well ya know...at $16 a panel they are very economical and you can make several from one panel. Just need to put in a little effort as far as using bolt cutters to clip the wire and then bending it into the triangle. Really can't go wrong for the price. Again, the panels are galvanized steel so they won't rust and fall apart. I love using them!!!
I found this great idea in an old copy of Garden Ideas and Outdoor Living, 8/06. She takes a piece of fencing and makes a pot for the top of a big stump. Now, I wish I had a big stump, I know, what a crazy thing to wish for...people pay good money to get rid of them lol.
Nice job Cat!! My DS had a roll of something like that, but I had now way of carrying it home from Justin.. I would need a lot of help working with that fence material to fit it into my jigsaw puzzel garden. Would have to cut them first and then bring them home. I love the vines so much, always have. I will eventually need a way to grow some new ones I have this year...yes more!! Ya can't have too many of certain vines. These ideas will help me a lot!
The obelisk ya have there would be great in a square shape to stick inside the perimeter of a 1.5-2cf capacity square pot. It hardly pays to buy some fancy tutuer that will be totally covered up, LOL!
Haha I hear Anita making up reasons to chop those Mulberries,,,lol!!
Roxanne, great idea too! I was thinking on making a little well over one and planting some things in it.. Will have to wait for help on that one too. Thanks for steering me over here Becky:-)
I've attached a photo of a trellis I made out of plastic coated metal closet organizers. You can buy these at HDepot/Lowes/Wmart/etc. They come in 1.5ft X 12ft, 1.5ft X 8ft, 1ftX8ft.
I bought three 1.5ft X8 ft organizers, spray painted them black, and posted them in some quickrete (just like a fence post). I then anchored them to the wall with some masonary nails and black plastic ties. I used the same black plastic ties to support them together. I liked this method because it doesn't involve any welding. The organizers cost about $9 each.
Are those gate I see in the background? If they aren't being used how about bracing them upright between the posts...or span chicken wire betwen the posts and plant morning glories along the length. You'd have a wall or vines that provides more shade and a tunnel of sorts :o)
If you get brave you can also lay chicken wire on top of the barn and get some morning glory vines to cover it. A farmer back at the ranch had those wooden lattice boards on top of a tool shed roof and the wood worked quite well as keeping his wisteria vine from getting scorched by the tin roof.
Great Idea!! I use panels also for vines --- but hadn't considered obelisk - was just looking at boganvillas and put on shopping list some sort of trellis but think I'll get another panel & see what my pea brain and the black spray paint can come up with.. have thought of using small cedar posts along with panels (we have lots of cedar on property). I have a trellis we made of cedar for grape vines - looks really cool even in dead of winter. dutch
Does anyone have pictures of how to make a PORTABLE tomato cage out of the cattle panels? One that could come down at the end of the season? also, I'm thinking the 3-sided obelisks would make great trellisses over my 5-gallon tomato buckets! Could ya'll post some close-up pics and show an eager girl how to lash the sides of an obelisk or a cage together so she does NOT have to ask her DH to participate in this project? HURRY, PLEASE!
Gym, instead of welding, I don't see why you couldn't wire the panels together then you could us wire cutters in the Fall to break them down.
I'm glad you bumped this up. Here is a trellis we made with panels/wood posts last year. It will take a few years before I have a nice "after" photo. There are 6 pink roses planted at the base and I hope the wood will turn a nice silver and the copper tops will oxidize with time.
I also have a tree stump that will hopefully get planted with a fairy garden on top this year. I just love all the ideas here!
Thank you, both! I found the toppers on ebay by searching for "copper fence caps". They also make flat caps that will eventually go on the center posts. I'm wanting the roses to hide the center posts and may need to cut them down some before capping them, but the flat caps can be found at Home Depot.
Last year we worked all summer on building a lot of structures for climbing roses. The rains really slowed us down and we still have some work ahead to finish them. Unlike this structure the rest are all wood, but if you would like to see them, here is the link. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/786758/
Whoa...had forgotten all about this thread :o) Glad to see it is still getting used. Here's a photo of four tall obelisk trellises made out of a livestock fence panels. They are 8 feet tall. My brother clipped each panel in half lengthwise then bent over the frames to form a triangle. I was able to get two trellis out of each 48" x 16 foot panel.
No trellis ideas here but I have put together a plant shelter from these and am now doing an outside yard fence.
To attach the cut pieces, I use hog rings. You can pick up a pair of hog ring pliers and boxes of rings at a feed or hardware store. They are an open U shape and the pliers will pinch them around two bars to hold them together. Believe me, it doesn't take much skill, muscle or money... 8 )) pod
He used 'U' shaped nails (if there is a name for those, I don't know what it is) they were about 1". It has held up great and would be fine for MGs, roses or jasmines. I don't know that I would trust it to big heavy vines like trumpet or wisteria.
'U' shaped nails is what I call them too--I thought so, but just wanted to ask. I'm just making green bean and cucumber verticals with all these almost brand new left over fence posts after Ike. Can't decide if I want to use wire panels or build something wooden--decisions, decisions.
update on the metal closet organizers. Has worked better than anticipated. I planted a climbing iceberg and a Nelly Moser clematis here. The climbing iceberg has already grown to 12 feet+ and the Nelly Moser looks great contrasting with the white blooms. I will post a picture around March/April/May when it is in bloom. As you might be able to tell from picture, it is a 50% sun 50% shade spot in a corner of the house.
We bought them at the hardware store for a penny a pound when I was young and shooting homemade slingshots. It had a barb on the ends and would tear up your index finger joint if you didn't hold it just right before you let it go in the rubberband holster.
I was an excellent marksperson -- still am. Different vehicle, though...
Wow! Great ideas. We are buying a house, in the country, but previous owners gave it a city backyard, privacy fence and all. There is a pool in the back yard that will need security and some privacy. I am not crazy about my back yard being sectioned off with a privacy fence. Maybe cattle fence around the whole pool, landscaped with various plants and each side of the pool, towards the neighbors, covered with morning glory would be perfect. I like it! Oh, could this draw too many bees searching for nectar and finding me or the kids as they steal a sip of water.
TPP or anyone that has used the livestock panels to make square or triangle trellises - How did you bend the panel? I have some out at my barn, but they are pretty darn thick and sturdy. I don't think I can get them bent even using a 2x4 on the ground. That's what I use on smaller wire when I'm building cages, but it won't work with these big ole panels.
aswan...the panels I used are about 1/4" wire. I used bolt cutters to cut them into the size I wanted them then I laid the piece on the ground and stood on the panel while my brother pushed from the other side and we bent them over. He then tack welded the two sides together.
The picture show what I did before I quit gardening about 10 years ago. I grew tomatoes in the middle of two cattle panels supported by T-posts. As the tomatoes grew upward cross pieces of rebar or bamboo were inserted to guide the vines upward.
I took the photo in the next post yesterday that shows the panels removed and the ground tilled. This year is my first year getting back into gardening. I am playing with growing in straw bales, raised beds, and 5-gal grow bags (filled with coir).
The 5-gal grow bags will be on ground cloth positioned between the cattle panels and the vines will be supported same as before.
The parallel cattle panels is a system that worked well me so no reason to not use it again. It really is a lazy man's way to trellis tomatoes. No strings, no clips, no tying, no stakes, nothing. Once the vines start to fall over all that is necessary is to check them every day or two and insert a stick or something through the squares in the panels and let the vines rest on it.
Sheila...and I thought I was forgetful! However, am glad they final built a tractor supply store in my town...it's on my way out to the ranch which makes it so much easier and closer than having to drive 35 miles to get to the closest TSS!
I leaned a fence panel against a pony tail palm and sort of forgot about it...before I knew it my yellow morning glory vines has reached over from their trellis and covered the pony tail palm and my fence panel! It hurt to have to cut back the morning glory vine to remove the fence panel but after putting it off for too long it had to be done :o)
There is a fence panel underneath that tangle of vines :o)
Well I finally got to HD and bought a fencing panel. I looked at Tractor Supply and since DH has had recent surgery and would not be able to help, I opted for a lighter weight one. Three panels will give me two triangular trellis'. If they don't hold up then I will rethink the plan.
That is absolutely FABULOUS! It is so neat, and actually does not impede on the yard view (until the vines grow up, and fill the panels). But, it is so neat. So, basically, you poured the concrete pad, set in the tposts and slipped the cattle panels on the "hooks" on the tposts?
Could you post a few close ups of the panels on the Tposts, and the tposts in the concrete? Thanks!
I didn't want something as permanent as concrete in this part of the garden. The T-posts are driven into the ground thru ground cloth/weed barrier. At some later date I may need to lay mulch down on the ground cloth for durability.
The 1/4" wire panels are held to the posts with the normal t-post clips used to attach barbed wire, two clips per post.
As this is my first year growing in bags, if heat becomes a problem for the plant's roots, the base of the cages will be boxed in with corrugated tin and filled with straw. This is a work in progress.
I have used this cage setup in the past for tomatoes growing in the ground and it worked well.
Since I just bought 10 panels for 40' more of GH, I was wondering what the cost of ya'll's are. They have gone fr $16 to $29 @ here. I almost passed out when they told me how much 10 would be...$299!!!!! OUCH especially since I'm unemployed right now & watch my pennies very closely!!!
they have gone up (along with anything metal) because of the massive upswing in the chinese economy requiring lots of metal--of course now that their economy is crashing and burning, I still wouldn't look for the price to go down
TRock ...make sure you let us know how the bags are doing in the hot weather! The whole set up is perfect. That could be done in anyones yard.
Smockette...I was just at TSC and priced them here and they were $29 also. I got some lighter weight ones at HD for $19 that are 3.5' x 7'. But I am only going to have clematis and morning glories on them.
Oh i see, Deb. The width is about 5 feet across and top of arch is about 7 feet tall. We didn't have much of a plan when starting. So Dh and I pulled the panel into an arch. He held it as I stood back and roughly determined what the width and height we wanted. Then the placement of the posts were decided from that measurement .
Here is the small version we put in this fall. Same distance and height, only the width of the panel was cut down to five squares.
Well my DS was over today and I had him help cut and bend the wire for my trellis. Someone wanted a pic so here goes...
I plan on clipping the bottom two horizonal wires so I can put about a foot of it in the ground. They will still be six foot tall after that.
We sat those outside today just to re-arrange the tool end of the shop. I had painted them in preparation for Easter. I am going to have my Great Nephew and Niece use paint to stamp them with butterflies, flowers, frog, etc; and paint their names on them. Then I will seal them and put them in place of some other chairs on my shop deck. I also bought tote bags that they can decorate and take home.
I plan to make one of these also. Today on BHG website they had an article about vines and they recommended::::::::
cup and saucer vine
scarlet runner bean vine
hyacinth bean vine
and morning glories
I can vouch for MGs! One of my favorite plants species to grow! They are beautiful, but unfortunately most only bloom in the mornings and wilt by noon. Spanish Flag is a beautiful vine too! (Which is actually a morning glory vine.) Moonflower is divine and has a lovely scent but only blooms at night! (Another MG) And then there is a hummingbirds choice ... cypress vine, which is also a MG vine. :-)
I do have a lot of hyacinth bean seeds that I didn't plant last year. They would really fill a trellis. I had some Cypress Vine last year in with my Black eyed susan vine so maybe they dropped seeds. I have to look for the MG first though, Becky's are not the ordinary kind.
Now that I think about it, I may have planted those under a trellis that is in the shade. It will be the perfect spot for them, only gets the morning sun.
In the last TX Gardener an article about local woman that planted her cattle panel arbor with edible beans. This made harvesting the beans easy by walking the length of the arbor and picking overhead. It is pretty also with vegies or vines.
Last year, when our Rose of Montana (aka Coral Vine) started getting big we didn't really want a trellis there, so we built our own support for it with two tomato cages. We overlapped them in the center and drove a tall plastic bamboo 'stake' thru the holes. Worked exactly how we'd hoped. The only thing that might have made it even better is if the tomato cages had been a bit taller.
collincountrytx - I planted seeds for my MGs yesterday in the garden. :-)
I grow many of my vines along my picket and backyard fence. I haven't tried the livestock fencing yet, which is why this thead is so awesome! It's cheaper than wooden or vinyl fencing and easy to shape and place anywhere in the yard! Love the great ideas here! Keep them coming!
I could see planting a tomato plant on the outside of one of your arch and allow it to grow up and over the top. It would actually rest on the top of the trellis. You could then stand underneath it and pick the tomatoes from the underside of the arch.
Note: This is not my origal idea, having been posted in another forum by a tomato grower. He has pics posted of several veggies growing over the tops of his arches. It certainly takes the stress off of supporting the vining plant since it rests on the trellis for its support. Now that I see your, I see how setting the maximum height to maybe 6 ft. would provide a nice height to work with a tomato plant or pole bean draping over it.
Hey, Linda! How are you girl? I bought a bigger crock pot just so I could make Lillie Mae's Greens!!! lol
Could you find that link about growing veggies over the cattle hoops & post it?
I now have 80' of hoop GHs to block off the sight of trailers behind my house. The only problem is when the plastic comes off for the summer, I can see right thru the GHs!
Since Ike, these dummies decided to clear all but a few trees off their property. Needless to say, they don't keep their back yards decent much less nice!!!
Come on Woodlands Pkwy & buy me out!!!
Girl, I just made two crockpots of Lilly Mae's Greens yesterday to bring to my DDIL who had surgery. I made cornbread, too! They had company already when I arrived with the pots, but they couldn't keep outta the kitchen sampling from the pot! With company still there, no less!
That tomato pic should be in my tagged files somewhere. I'll look for it for you.
Don't have any idea where I will go! It took me 4 yrs to find this place! But with what they will pay me for 2 acres of prime Woodlands property, $$ won't be a factor like it was b4! Of course, being unemployed since Aug, I could sure use an advance, now!!! ROFLOL
Cheryl, go for it, it wasn't my idea. I copied it from a magazine :0)
We used 4x4x12 posts. Our soil is sandy in that spot and we needed a deep footing. After they were set we marked them with a level line and cut them all to the same height.
One problem we did have was one of the posts warped. It wasn't noticeable until we went to attach the panel. It still isn't noticeable unless I take photo and have a straight line to compare it with. Then it really sticks out. Hopefully the plant growth will cover it in time.
I grew moonflower (one seed) on one corner waiting for the roses to grow. It will indeed cover the panel! But, boy it was a pain to clean off in the fall.
Linda, a friend of mine tried to talk me into growing tomatoes on the trellis. Couldn't do it , I already had roses ordered. Then I had tomato seedling appear in that bed, it was the compost, but accused him of sneaking tomato seeds in.lol
Morganc, they are the best recipe you ever tasted for greens. Lilly Mae is Gymgirl's mother.
Gymgirl made us a pot & brought it to the first RU we had @ RJuddHarrison's. They didn't need any seasoning @ all. They are more than one kind of greens & are absolutely GREAT!!!!!!!!!
Talk to her nice & I bet she will give you recipe but only if you call them "Lilly Mae's Greens"!
I bought numerous panels over the years and since I drive an Xterra SUV I had the guys at McCoy's roll/fold them over and tie the two ends together - the result should look a huge rain drop :o) I then had them tie that down on top of the roof rack of my vehicle.
The next time I bought some I just had the guys lay them on top of the xterra roof rack and tie them down to that as well as to the front bumper. Mind you...those things are 16 feet in length so they pretty much will hang over the hood and out to the back of your vehicle. However, I didn't want to risk any scratches to the paint so I put a rolled up blanket on the front of the hood where the wire panel would touch the vehicle - and well the back end of the panel just sort of hung out over the back of my car...but since they were tied to the back end of the roof rack they didn't touch the trunk/cargo paint.
I live only about a mile from the local McCoy's so didn't have far to travel...but am sure everyone that passed me by thought I was a crazy woman!!!
Other than that if you have a truck bed you can probably get the panels to roll up into a semi-large roll that you can tie together so the ends don't spring back out on you and lay that into the truck bed...they are only 48 inches in height...so that should fit into any truck bed :o)
Why can't the lumber companies like HD and Lowe's just CUT them for you? They cut lumber for people don't they?
Every time I buy 10 ft of PVC pipe I end up driving home holding on to it outside and parallel to my car. Can't go too fast cause the wind catches in the pipe and starts humming like one'a those Aborigine pipe thingies!
I have asked to borrow a PVC cutter or hacksaw to do just that GG.
Conduit comes in 20 foot lengths, and I can only get about 9 feet inside the car (rear seats fold down).
I can secure the trunk open a bit to handle 10 foot material.
I have DH all lined up with his trailer for a Sat run to the new Atwoods. They have panels for 19.99 and starter veggie & flower plants 3 packs for 58 cents I Thats cheaper then starting seeds ...
Now if I could only find some of last years baled hay
probably not much of a call for it in Houston--not much livestock to contain. you used to could get concrete reinforcing mesh which was basically the same thing just shorter (6-7' high by different lengths).
When I went to Africa, I rode in a little bus that was packed like that on the outside. And not only with stuff, but PEOPLE actually rode on the outside, too, holding onto whatever they could. Did I mention there were goats and chickens in cages strapped to that little bus? And there were these clever little seats that folded up to make an isle. Once four people sat down in their seats, they folded the last seat down for one more passenger. Then there were no aisles.
And all this activity was on a one-lane dirt road going up a mountain with no side railing. I sat in the very first seat across from the driver and watched him playing chicken with the bus approaching head-on. They instinctively seemed to know which way to curve so there'd be no collision.
And I said more prayers than I ever prayed in my life! Now I know what those reports of tourist busses going off the cliffs are all about...
Yeah...my neice was working in Nigeria last year and she said she'd see guys on bicycles and motorcycles packed to gills...and the buses or 'carts' had people hanging on from the outside. Wish I would've thought to have her take photos.
Wish I would've taken a photo of my xterra with those fence panels on it! Oh well, ya'll will just have to settle for this one of my after I raided a friend's yard for Golden Pothos cuttings!!! Mind you...I drove a good 10 miles through the city from her house to mine with this stuff on my car :o) ROFL!!!
Well We made it back from Atwoods with 6 panels and a lot of other stuff...lol
here is the start of my panel garden
the panels arnt tied down just kind of sitting there we will string wire between the panels it covers 50' DH wanted it high in the middle so he could walk under it DH is 6'4" :)
The Blue Barrels ill be useing to plant in ...
What I'm planting :
and starting a Strawberry patch .
I'm planting in the Barrels our soil is very sandy,& I raise Australian Shepherds The Garden is in the fenced 2 acres that they run & lots of gophers So maybe this will keep then all out :)
So I'm going to line up the half lengthwise like troughs bbls and plant everything that will vine in them, I'm still looking for hay bales. Id like to but in the bbls.
The Plan is to be able to cover the all or part with plastic for a winter green house... & an early start for next year.
Well Id better get busy
Great ideas... we built a plant shelter out of cattle panels and covered with plastic. I am going to bubblewrap it also this year. It is left on year around but I like your idea to get a jump on spring. Good luck.
sorry, 'Climbing Iceberg'
There is a 'Nelly Moser' Clematis climbing up in there also (hasn't bloomed yet) will update when it does.
Yeh, weird spot 40% sun in spots and shade at the bottom (perfect for Nelly)
I have another climbing iceberg, but this one does better here in the weird spot, compared to the one in full sun.
In hot, sunny Texas, I've found that 'Climbing Iceberg' does great as long as it gets 4-5 hrs of sun (that's all this one gets)
Because its in lots of shade and warmed in its oven-like environment, the blooms last a loooong time.
I dug a semicircular trench about 1.5 foot deep and 9 inches wide (very similar to fence post hole depth). I tested the shape of the trench by placing the pre spraypainted closet shelve organizers in the trench, and tweaked the shape of the holes/trench.
I mixed a bag of quickrete and water (per bag directions) in a wheel barrow, and then shoveled the quickrete in the holes. Then I placed the organizers in there (vertically). Then hammered some masonary nails into the brick house wall. Then used black zip ties to tie the organizers onto the nails. Used more ties to tie them together.
It is unbelievably strong (much stronger than I had anticipated)
If I remember correctly, I might have used two bags of the quickrete. In hindsight, I probably overdid the hole depth and quickrete amount. The trellis is not coming out of the ground (doesn't want to budge an inch), I mean, it is there real good.
It is self-setting quickrete. Just mix water and quickrete. It starts to harden pretty fast. The trick here is to not add too much water. You want dryish very lumpy oatmeal consistency (not soup)
Looks great, I have iceberg in a few hours morning sun too and surprised how much it blooms. We'll have to revisit the shade tolerant roses this summer :0) I planted a few and some have done better then others.
I froogle searched "Nelly Moser Clematis" and purchased. Lets see the results today.
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Just found the thread - great ideas! I have a question about the Nellie Moser clematis - are you buying the plant or seeds? I have been reallly wanting to try out clematis but haven't seen it anywhere around here. I live west of Houston, about 5 miles E of Sealy. Maybe Cornelius' would have it.
Listen here Stephanie! you are going to work me to death! lol
Let me get one thing started first! LOL
I got a handyman friend, I am trying to get over here for the trellis. I keep seeing that Trellis with those Air potatoe vines for the back to shade my hostas. ...and also in the front for my Clemitis. I am wondering wil that wire get too hot and burn my Clemitis?
Steph was that your husband that made the Peach Cobbler?
No, my DH didn't make the cobbler. Carl's (1_Lucky_Texan) wife, Becky made the cobbler.
I also wonder if you can use that stuff they use for cement work for a trellis. That would be a whole lot easier to find, I would think. Looks the same as cattle fence panels, but might not be as sturdy.
LOL ... Oh Lawdy, where are you taking me now? :) I am really going to do the potty thing, the man next might have some, he has so much junk in his yard and he is always building something. I bet Patrob would know where to go. Would you believe she came all the way from Houston with the cattle hauler to move me into the new place? I got pictures! Of this cattle thing in the heart of downtown! I was needing a hip replacement and I was in so much pain ... everybody came to help ... and I hardly knew what going on with all them pain pills I was on. ;)
Cheryl, that's awesome!! WTG to u & DH!
i have really enjoyed this thread and am so inspired for next year.
will start this fall getting ready for next spring.
DH wants to expand our garden so i will show him this thread too.
of course DH is a long haul driver so the gardening is on me. if this makes my life easier... i'm all about it!
Mrs. Colla - Beautiful set-up and very interesting how you protect the birds with the hoop shaped wire panels! Love it!
Here is my simple and cheap arbor/trellis that I will be growing Heavenly Blue and Pearly Gates Morning Glories up and over the top. It will become a shady seating area when the vines grow and cover the arbor. :-) I might paint the concrete bench a light blue to compliment Heavenly Blue to add a little more color to that area! ;-)
I've been following this thread for quite some time and have gotten all kinds of ideas from everyone! Thank you!
Have had a variety of vines growing on the trellises over the years. Had thunbergia - removed it since the butterflies don't use it. Had snail vine - removed it since the butterflies don't use it. Had a passionvine that took over the trellis and started climbing onto my roof - it froze in December - removed it. Hmmm...also had my yellow morning glories on them - they got way out of hand - removed them :o) Had Calico Vine aka Dutchman's Pipe (aristolochia elegans) but butterflies wouldn't use it - it kept outgrowing the trellis and working it's way up the utility pole to the transformer. Cut it back several times over a span of two years then finally removed it.
The trellises are fairly bare now - haven't figure out what I want to plant on them. Am trying to stick to butterfly larval hosts :o)
So far have a couple of passion vines on them, a Blue Pea Vine and a Yellow Butterfly Orchid Vine.
Here's one of the passionvines - just took the photo :o)
gymgirl - Ugh on the poo in your garden. I have a similar problem, but it is NOT cats. It's rats. I've apparently got a few of them that come into my yard at night from the vacant lots behind my house. They have been chewing on what little wood I have exposed on the exterior of my home. (My home is 98% brick, but they have managed to find the wood frame for my screen porch. Probably doing that to file down the length of their teeth. And they chew up plants in my yard, too. So I have my veggies in the front yard on the driveway next to the garage door. Which looks so tacky! I keep trying to rid my backyard of those particular rodents. I have squirrels, too, but they don't do the damage that the rats do. I am also afraid if I put the veggies out back, that they would start chewing/eating them as well. Even in the 5 gallon ebuckets. Those rats are smart and fast! Grrrrr ...
TTP - Your passiflora vines are beautiful. I had several growing all over my east fence too, but the freezing temps we had this year in Florida killed half of them. Most of my vines are nectar plants for the hummers and butterflies. I have Coral Honeysuckle, Crossvine, Cape Honeysuckle, and the Passi vines.
I have a white vinyl privacy fence in my backyard and vines have a hard time growing up that slick vinyl, so I added trellis panels to the inside of the fence to make it easier for the plants to climb.
Am thinking of constructing something that I can use on the west side of my house - my neighbor's tree cracked during a storm last year and they removed it - there is nothing shading that side of my house and the brick gets so hot!
I have orange cape honeysuckle that would never work on a trellis - it grows rampant and puts out runners! I cut it back to about 1 foot earlier this year and it's already spreading out long tendrils again. GRRRRR!!! Am going to see about pruning it to one main trunk and forcing it to look like a tree :o)
Bummer about those rats - I get them here too as there is a grassy alley between the back of my subdivision and the next. I used to put mousetraps on top of the shelves on my back porch but one day I saw a mockingbird pecking at the peanut butter on a sprung trap. Can't put them on the ground because of the dogs either. On a good note - the dogs do kill anything they can catch.
Smockette - yes I live in what is considered the Lower Rio Grande Valley.
Beckygardener... Don't pull out the passion vine just yet. Mine freezes back each year but usually rebounds. I have one however that is evergreen; it is Blue Crown. It is green and leafy all winter. This year was a hard winter and only the surface leaves were damaged.
I just love the vines!! I have Coral HS too Becky and it is a wonderful plant! This year it really bloomed well. And I have lots of the Blue Crown like yours Cat. I finally got a new species on it the other day, Variegated Fritillary... She laid at least 50 eggs on it! I am so excited. I collected about a half dozen of them, and left the rest for now until they hatch out. I might collect more after that.
And my Aristolochia macrophylla came up and filled out quick.. Found about a dozen lovely black cats all through it, and probably more I couldn't see. I am also seeing seed pods forming on them already so I got some good pics to share and file. The blooms are only about 1 inch, but very pretty. The pods form after the blooms fall off and are about 1 1/4 inch.
Hey everybody, I am so excited -- ever since I first found this thread, I have wanted a archway over my arobic septic system (which has way too much above ground concrete dedicated to it). So when my husband ask what I wanted for Mother's Day, I immediately said I wanted a cattlepanel archway. He is doing it! He picked up 4 panels. Plans are to use t-post about 4-5 feet apart to anchor the cattlepanels. I am so excited! The center height will be about 6 1/2 to 7 feet (approx). I saw a picture of something like this -- not using cattle panels -- with squash covering it. They had rudbeckia, nasturtiums, and sunflowers under it. Of course the squash did not completely cover it. I also like the idea of covering it with beans (easy picking), but husband ask me not to put edibles around the septic system. So my next goal is for butterfly magnets. I already have one honeysuckle in the general area, planted last fall, with hopes of my soon-to-get arch. I'm excited!!!!! Thanks for much for the ideas!!!!
Glad you found the thread - it's still alive after three + years :o)
Livestock panels are soooooooo versatile!!! I still have mine - most from back in 2002 when I bought this house. Very little signs of wear and in great shape after numerous vines and such over the years.
Of course the ones we have as fencing and corrals at the ranch have been there for decades!
Remember to post photos of the project as you go along!!!
I will post pictures. Thus far, we have one cattle panel up (very temporary). My husband went looking for short (4') t-post today, first place only had 5'. We are thinking they only need to be about 4', just tall enough to support verticle part of arch, therefore not interfering with the rest of look. I am checking out my seed to see what I can plant on it this year. Looking at moon vine, hyacinth bean, and maybe morning glory to go with the one honeysuckle. Morning glory scares me with its 'prolific seed producing' nature. But, they sure are pretty. Anyone know of a rather drought resistant vine? I'd love to do something that brings in the butterflies and hummingbirds. Ideas appreciated.
If you put in a passion vine it will definately bring the butterflies since it is a host plant. However most are deciduous, and the bf cats will eat them to the ground at times, but they will rebound. I have one called "blue crown" however that is evergreen and seems to keep up with the caterpillars of this Gulf Fritillary butterfly.
They do have different gauge wire panels. I am not sure the smaller on I got would be up to holding the weight. I made two triangle towers with mine then realized I cut one shorter than the other!! It was really a chore to work with for me, wire cutters and my hands didn't do well together. I won't try cutting it again.
I put them up anyway and had passion vines on them, but recently took down the short side and plan to put that plant on a arbor we just bought. I left the three sided tower that was taller and will take a picture of it some time.
Am sure they will hold a bunch of melons - just need to make sure you brace it in place and perhaps instead of using an arch shape you stand it up lengthwise between two posts. That way the melon vine can spread out lengthwise and distribute the weight of the melons across the whole panel.
I still won't buy any trellises made out of thin or hollow metal. They end up rusting out within a year or two out here. I've had the livestock fence panels in use since 2002 and the ones we have at the ranch forming the corral fencing have been there for decades and they are still in great shape.
Am planning on getting brother to make more of the triangular obelisks for me. It takes me too much time to saw through each wire with a dremel tool :o) Same goes when using bolt cutters to cut the wire. Hard work! It takes him only mere seconds when using the welder. Bending it over to form the triangular shape takes both of us but he heats up the wires and they bend quickly. Then he just tack welds the two sides together and it's done!
Now if DH would get to welding like he plans to do some day, that might be easier. My bottle tree rotted and fell so that will be his first project!
I have three of the arbors and haven't had a rusting out problem, but can see how it could happen. The gates are useless for us however, we leave them open all the time. One is covered with evergreen Confederate Jasmine and smells so sweet when in bloom. We had just got it going good in this picture, you can't see the arbor now the vines are so thick. Another I am training Mex Flame vine on and this last one will be Blue Crown passi.
I finally took the pictures. I will post beginning and end of summer result.
My goal was to hide the syptic system you see. It worked! We used small 4' post as you can see. There was nothing done extra to anchor them. They have survived some very strong winds -- it was interesting to watch it sway in the wind when it was heavy with vines.
I am pleased, but did discover that vines will climb up -- though not over! They want to keep going up.
I used Hyacinth bean ruby moon on one side with a few moonflowers in between. That side is solid -- loaded -- really pretty. But, disappointingly, it did not really begin to bloom until September.
The other side was planted with a beautiful morning glory, that I soon discovered was not a climber (didn't know that was possible). So I put a few cypress vines with them on one end. They did well and are loaded with seed heads now (Oct.).
I also had a couple small honeysuckles planted before all of the above -- I can't find them now -- wondering if they are still even alive. This fall or next spring will tell.
last picture! I just had to show a closeup of this.
People suggested passion vine -- I've never grown them, but am told they spread like crazy, so am rather afraid of them. Thinking next year of only doing cypress vine, the hummingbirds like that. Don't think I'll do the Hycinth bean again.
I hope this helps encourage people how easy an arch can be. And fun! And not too pricey! It was my mother's day gift!
bob, the heigth of the arch depends on how far you spread the width. The panels are 16' long. My arch is approx 6'+. I am 5'8" and can walk under without a problem, exceot this fall when it is loaded with vines, I had to lower my head to keep from getting hit by a vine, more in fear of possible bees -- I'm allergic!
I used a garden hose marked at 16' and arched on the ground to get an idea how far apart to place the ends so it would be tall enough.
Banana, thinking about picking bean seed and reselling on e-bay this winter when i'm stuck inside. Also been picking cypress seed. Thanks for the warning, now i'll be more diligent!
Thanks Shelia! My garden is behind it and this summer at times it looked like a jungle out there, especially when I overwatered! My own little jungle in my backyard -- I liked it, even if I couldn't get to it. . . my sweet potatoes took over. Now i have more sweet potates than I know what to do with!
Greta check out the photos of the Sweet Autumn Clematis I have a wooden arch that was wonderful for a Rambicate Trombocino (squash) but next year I want more of the SAC so plan to move some of mine around ..
That wasn't the pic I hoped for but does show a good use for the arch a great setting for family pictures In this one My Sister and her DH from Conroe,Tx. This one shows what a great thing an arch can be for climbers
Greta we had a thread about bird baths and I don't remeember if it was here or on the birders forum but I am att. a page I copied from a magazine = I have lots of pix of ones I have made I know my name isn't Shelia but here they be ..And Shelia the squash is Rambicante Trombocino and it was in the worst garden mistakes thread as someone translated it was Rampaging Zuchinni
Brenda...no I haven't tried it ...Yet! I have huge EEs and some years Castor bean leaves and keep thinking about doing it. Peg...Datura12 gave me one she makes them to hang on the wall too. Love it, and she said it is easy.
Thanks grits and Shelia -- Today I will pick up the stuff to make this -- if I keep putting this off, I'll loose my leaves to frost.
I've seen gardengates information. . . And kept researching on line. Found another site that recommended putting chicken wire in for reinforcement. Think I'll do that. The painting kind of scares me, but hey, I have several elephant ear plants -- what have I got to loose?
I used screen wire as reinforcement in a couple of mine ,haven't done any this year but plan some later ..I made a mold from Gysum plaster of one of my originals so now I have a EE leaf at all times of the year...
I am going to make another mold as soon as I go to hobby lobby my next trip to the big city (Fort Smith) It's an ironic kind of thing but I worked for US Gypsum for many years and now have to go to Hobby Lobby and buy plaster ...LOL I plan on a mold from one og the deeper ones as they work lots better for the birds ..Made a couple without any leaves just piled the sand up and made a free form with rocks and pebbles stuck here and there ...
I am getting confused. The molds are concrete and then you make a "negative" from plaster? I like the free form with the rocks! Too bad US Gypsum is not like AA, where if you work long enough the benefits are to have free flights.
Right about the og was supposed to be of and if I was near a USG plant I could get freebies ..I like the texture of the leaves best and made the negative so could make some in the winter months ..There is supposed to be a cement that you can mix to make a waterproof BB but some latex paint works pretty good another one that was part of a cascading fountain on my front porch..
Oh I am so glad I opened this. We are expecting 32 tonight and I still want to make one or two of these -- finally found the patio patch concrete. So I just went out and cut several elephant ear leaves and put in a large jar of water and hope they make it till tomorrow.
Couple of hints on the BB making I use a small piece of plywood as a table ,laid across 2 saw horses it is about right to save the back..the second one I ever made I did flat on the ground just got everything pre mixed and then it was pretty easy since you don't have to lift anything up to the table height..Also quite handy is a length of used garden hose laid out on the table into whatever shape you desire and held in place with a couple of wood screws,it makes a sort of form to keep the concrete in place..Also if I want a pebble finish I cover the sand with a plastic garbage bag and unto that I stick pebbles and small stones in some sort of pattern...
Must have accidentally hit Texas gardening forum and sure glad I did. You gals must stay awake nights thinking of all the uses for the cattle panels. We have cows but have never bought any of them before but sure will now. Florida is a huge cattle production state so I'm sure they are around. Thanks for all your very inventive ideas. I'm married to a retired welder so no problems there.
Happy gardening to all you Texans.
Whhhyyyyyy...300 replies and pretty cool this thread is 6 years old :o)
I still have all my livestock fence panel trellises too. They are holding up great!!! I never realized how old they were.
Bonnie...lucky you. Bet you can come up with some great designs for trellises that your husband can weld together!
I always wanted to create one into a hanging box or maybe something like a circle with a shelf/cage to hold a potted ivy or vine. Have a huge oak in the front yard that has great branches to hang stuff from.