The colors are pretty. I am waiting for a salvia elegans. I planted one in the fall once, but there were several cold snaps and freezes that winter, and it didn't survive. I am hoping spring will prove to be a better time.
Fall's actually a good time to plant (usually!) in warmer climates. Here in CA it's recommended as the best time of year to plant things because then you have the winter rains to help get things established. But then if you get some unusual cold spells, you can run into problems. So my new rule of thumb is that if it's hardy a zone or two colder than me, then I'll plant it in the fall, but if it's only hardy to my zone then I'll wait until spring.
I thought the fall planting thing was weird too when I first moved here from Cincinnati, but it really does work better. If I get things in the ground in the fall, they grow much better the following year and I don't have to waste nearly as much time watering them during our dry summers. Spring planting is OK too as long as you do it in early spring before it starts to get too hot, but fall is better for most things.
All of my salvias I got locally, CA is a really good climate for them so we tend to have a pretty good selection at local nurseries. Some of them at least (not Dancing Dolls though) came from Annie's Annuals which also does mail order so you might check their website and see what they have (their selection usually gets better in summer/fall, I don't think they have too much right now.) Dancing Dolls I think is a new patented variety, I never saw it until last summer so my guess would be that it'll be more widely available this year, and I bet you could have one of your local nurseries order it for you if they don't carry it.
I live in the greater Cincinnati OH area (Hebron , KY is part of it). I've lived in OH for 40 and a half years and here in Hebron, KY since June 1996 (DH is an Airline Pilot and he's based here out of the international airport, which we're about 5 or 6 miles from).
What company introduced 'Dancing Dolls'? Do you know what it's rated zonewise? (from what zone to what zone). Hope it's at least a zone 6, but if not and I can get it, I'll still plant it.
Marilyn--I lived in Ohio for most of my life--grew up in Cleveland, then lived in Cincy for 5 yrs, mostly the northern half of it (Loveland, Montgomery, etc) before I moved here. I knew Hebron sounded familiar but I didn't get over to the KY side much except when I was headed to the airport!
The Dancing Dolls plant that I got came from a wholesale grower Suncrest Nurseries. I'm not sure if they're the ones that introduced it though or if they just had a license to grow it from the people who did introduce it. As far as zones, I'm pretty sure it's zone 7 (that's the zone I've seen for most S. greggii cultivars). So it might be a bit of a stretch for you, but if you've successfully grown other S. greggii cultivars then it's definitely worth a shot.
I lived in Dayton, Centerville, Kettering, Lebanon and Cincinnati (Siverton), before moving to KY to marry DH in 1996. I still feel so proud and loyal of OH, that I have a concrete piece in my garden of the shape of the state of OH when OH was celebrating their anniv. in 2003 (established in 1803).
I'll always grow S. greggii's, they bloom all season it seems and if I'm lucky (with the weather, soil conditions, etc...), they'll survive the Winter if they're not zone 6 rated. I'm getting alot of Salvias that I know aren't hardy for zone 6, but I'm always hoping anyway.
Glad we got a forum. My interest is mostly with the agastaches, as most of the salvias are not hardy here. I have grown S. greggis, but more or less as annuals. I really like your photos e. crane especially Dancing Dolls and La trinidad pink.
I am now making out my first this year order to High Country for some new agastaches.
Am leaving early in the morning for a bus tour to Reno, a friend and I have gone many times, actually I have been traveling with Paul for more than 20 years , of course not every year. Last year I didn't get to go as spent too much time in Hospitals and recovering. So I am looking forward to the trip this year. We leave, Jane & I at 4:00 am in the morning, I am driving to Wenatchee, WA 130 miles where we catch the bus. The bus goes to Reno one way and returns a different route. 40 to 45 passengers usually. Just a fun time. I*f I can locate my Black & blue I will send along a picture. Can't find the right folder.
Marilynbeth: The Black n Blue is in almost full sun (shade from about 3pm onward) and in very acid soil, due to the piles o pines. Pretty good drainage where it is. No special treatment. Last summer was it's first and I'm hoping it will return. (If not, I have seedlings. ;-> )
The greggii was labeled simple "Navajo", and I got it a Lowes about 3 years ago and have taken cutting after cutting. Just keeps going. The photo is pretty close to its true color. That pink one you have is lovely!
I planted all of mine in fall. The greggii bloom til it gets pretty cold.
I wintersowed some Salvia discolor seeds last year and it bloomed beautifully. Since I was successful with wintersowing, I plan to germinate several more varieties of Salvia & Agastaches via this method this year. I hope to attract more butterflies & hummers with these plants.
Thanks Carol. The Salvia discolor is an annual in my growing zone. It may be a perennial in warmer growing zones. The Salvia, Victoria farincea & Salvia, "May Night" are perennials in my zone 7 garden. I'm looking forward to seeing their lovely blooms again this summer.
Great pictures! I like my Black and Blue also but my favorite was Limelight. Plants didn't come back last year and the seeds I got in trade didn't germinate. I'd like the variegated one too.Plants Delight or maybe it was Heronswood that had it in their catalog.
I have one a friend in Calif. sent me one that has done super well.She didn't know which one it was but now that I have a camera,I can post a pix for id'ing once it's up and blooming again this year.
I'm not sure if my yellow salvia made it in last years heat. I cut it back Fri. and didn't see any signs of life.
Why can't we find salvia Red Hot Sally any more?
I have agastaches, Liqorice Blue and white,giant yellow ,Golden Jubilee and unknown variety. I've got seeds sewn for a.rugosa.
I have several more salvias and agastaches but I'd have to go look at tags to remeber what ones.
Wished I had spoken up before the forum was"born" and requested penstemons be added.
My list of salvias and agastaches isn't as impressives as some of your's but give me season or two to try and catch up*G*
I've been growing p.tensui(never spell it right) for 2-3 yrs. Last year they were really nice. Bees,butterflies and such were all over them. I've sewn seeds and have seeds for several others to sew and just ordered several more from Specialty Seeds.
If your temps have really only been in the 20's it should be fine--I think it's hardy down to about 10 degrees. Are you sure you're really in zone 7b? 20 degree nights being unusual would suggest zone 8b/9a to me, not zone 7.
Twenty degree nights are not common in zone 9a. Temps dropping below 35 or 30 for extended periods is also unusual. We have those temps only for cold snaps and freezes. I don't know about zone 8. They may receive extended periods of lower temps like that.
Corgimom was saying that 20 degree nights were rare for her too, that's why I was wondering if it was really zone 7 where she was. Zone 7 can see temps all the way down to 5-10 degrees, so I figured nights in the 20's would be a bit more common.
Hello again, Ecrane3--check with me before you buy any Black and Blue Salvia--I had a bunch last year and, assuming they come back, I should have plenty to spare this year, FYI. Love the new forum and love all your pics!
Carol: I am also in Zone 8A and my greggii salvia varieties come back every year, in fact they're close to evergreen. I planted Black & Blue for the first time this past year so don't know if it will come back or not. But I wintersowed it and there are seedlings so that's a good sign I'd say. Salvia should do fine where you are.
Corgimom: I just planted some Mex. Bush Sage last summer; waiting to see if it made it through the winter. I hope it'll be as pretty as yours!
my first try at Salvia Black and Blue suffered and died this year. I think I will try it again in a super well drained site that is in less sun.I'm not sure if the drainage is the issue or the intense sun here in texas..But the few blooms I did get were super, so I'm going to try again.nancy
To clarify, 20 nights are not simply unusual, they are bizarre in zone 9. Even 30 and 35 degree nights are extremely unusual and frightening for the citrus people. If corgimom has 20 degree nights that are unusual, there may still be a very high number of nights that are still below freezing or nearly freezing.
Ok, let me try to make myself more clear. First of all , I checked several temp zone charts this morning and they showed me in conflicting zones. I live right outside Jackson ,Mississippi. Some charts show it as 7b and some show it as zone 8. I think it is actually zone 8.
Now, as for what I meant about the nightly temps. I meant we have been having more CONSISTANT 20 degree nights than we are used to . We have what I like to call "see-saw" weather. 32 one night , then 40 the next , then down to 18 maybe the next, then 38 the next, then maybe only 48 the next ! This past few weeks has been like that. That is what we usually see. But this winter we have had more consistantly cold nights than normal. That is when I worry about my plants. This week it is only down in the 50s at night . About a week ago it was below 30. This is why we have trouble growing some plants. They will pop out in early bloom and then get killed back by our sudden drops in temp. I see tulip magnolia and wild pear trees blooming now. Some will get to bloom on out and some will probably get killed by one night of "normal" cold for this time of year. ( Here ,by saying they will "get killed", I mean the spring blooms will be zapped. Sorry I don't say what I MEAN !! )
My 'Royal Red' salvia has new growth on it now. I am never sure when to prune my salvias. That is one reason I am so glad to see this forum. I hope to learn a lot about WHEN to prune which variety.
Is now the time to prune my involucrata x Karwinskii shown above ? It didn't bloom until October/November !
I probably wouldn't prune it yet as long as there's still a chance of getting some nights below freezing--fall bloomers especially will have plenty of time to come back with new growth even if you wait until later in the year to prune them. My involucrata bloomed really late too (this is the first year I had it, so I don't know if that's normal or not) and it's not showing any signs of life yet, so I'm leaving it alone until I'm sure we're not going to have any more cold nights. For the ones that are already showing new growth, you can probably cut off any dead looking stalks now, that's what I'm doing on mine at least, I figure they already have new growth on their own, so I'm not going to do any damage by pruning them now.
thanks - I need all the help I can get ! Pruning is my big problem - with more than just salvias ! I am getting to the point where I am forgetting the names of my plants - not good news !!! I remember my mom saying that was her first sign that my great aunt had the beginning of Alzheimers (which runs in the females in our family). I have to have notes for everything these days. Now if only I could remember where I put that notebook...
I only prune in the spring unless they just get way out of bounds, which they often do in the little area they are in. I do deadhead them all summer. Is that ok? Yes, they really got leggy this last year but I didn't prune them back very far last spring. THIS year I really am whacking them back.
Hello, I also love salvias. I live here in south Jersey. My favorites and our hummingbird favorites! include: Raspberry salvia greggi, regular culinary herb sage, salvia guarantica Costa Rican Form, salvia guarantica Black & Blue, Salvia purple knock out which has burgundy veined foliage, and Texas sage salvia "coral nymph" salvia coccinea (photo).
I don't have a photo of the raspberry greggi and the photo's I have of the purple knock out don't do it justice. I first saw the purple knock out in Cape May NJ. My pictures make the blossoms look washed out and white and they are really a lovely lavender color. The purple knock out has a relatively short blooming time compared to other salvias such as the black & blue. But the foliage makes it a great garden addition.
Now I think I know what you are talking about re: black and blue. Seems like in some areas black and blue can really spread. Any experience with Argentine Skies. I was looking up these on plantfiles and the World of Salvia. He mentionned a new kind,salvia guaranitca "Van Remsem" that will be available soon.It looks like it wouldn't make it here. Anna
Daisyruffles, how's my S. guaranitica 'Black & Blue' doing? Does it still resemble a "dead door nail"? The roots of the ones I sent you were fat and elongated sort of like a dahlia's tubers, and are said to be storable just like dahlia tubers over the winter. How are those tubers doing now? If they're firm, there might be more life in them, yet. I've been wintering mine over under gro lights, and while the tops eventually become quite pitiful, in spring the tubers send out runners at the bottom of the pot through those holes. I just stick pieces of them in the ground after the last spring frost and several plants result. I'll send you another start after last frost - would you remind me in May?
Without the guarniticas and greggiis, my garden would be poor, indeed, but the most beautiful sage I ever did grow was Salvia chamaedryoides (from http://www.sandymushherbs.com/ - don't see it listed there this year). It was low and spreading, with very small, silvery woolly leaves and tiny blue flowers that made a blue haze among all that silver. I was so surprised a plant like that would not notice how hot & muggy our summers are - most "silvers" go toes up very soon around here.
I agree about adding penstemon, and the plectranthus genus would've been wonderful to include here, too. Plectranthus argentatus actually wintered over here a few times. Now, there's another very silvery-leaved plant with the tiniest ice-white-with-blue-tinge flowers on many very long and narrow stems at the end of summer that puts up with an awful lot of shade here and seems immune to our humidity, as well. I just rub those stems when the flowers have gone to seed between my hands over a pot, and seedlings appear in a few weeks - so far have not experienced damp-off fungus with those - perhaps because I ignore those pots and water them infrequently?
Corgimom: It must've been our mild winter. I was definitely surprised to see it blooming. :) I was crawling around pulling weeds and, ...Tadaaa!
It's greggii "Navajo" and it's been the best salvia for me for several seasons now. It's actually a tiny bit more of a bluer red than in the photo. I can never get the reds exactly right.
Wow, just love all these salvia pictures!
Karen, I think the "Black and Blue" is alive, LOL I see a few tips of greenery! Am keeping the slug bait heavy so it will have a chance to grow! So will let you know more soon. Thanks a bunch!
Gorgeous blooms...Donna..! I've seen those at my fave nursery here in San Antonio...I may definitely get one now after seeing how pretty they are... Thanks for all of the photos...beautiful...!
My favorite is still Black & Blue... :)
Is that red Salvia pic you posted, Salvia greggii 'Navajo Bright Red'? I bought some plants (Salvia greggii 'Navajo Bright Red') at a local garden center/nursery and planted some in the ground and some in containers.