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Daturas: Datura Seeds Started Inside today......

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judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 15, 2007
12:43 AM

Post #3282233

My house was absolutely too crowded to start seeds plus I hate for them to get leggy and attract insects. Therefore I waited until today to start the seeds, just as I begain to move the hardy house plants and brugs outside. Yes I'm pushing the season a tad. Some seeds are old, but I've heard they can be like 10 years old and still germinate.

I've planted what are suppose to be the below:

Double White
Double/Triple White
Large White (Inoxia)
Purple Speckled White Datura (Mutant)
Raspberry Swirl (Discolor)
Black Current Swirl
Double Purple
Double/Triple/Quad Purple
Yellow
Double Yellow
Double/Triple Yellow
Golden

Some were seeds from Daturas I've grown and some are seeds from DGers. I planted inside because they have to have heat to germinate and it's still a tad cool outside.

Happy Datura Growing To Everyone!!! If they all germinate and grow well there will be seeds for everyone at season end.

Judy

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Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 15, 2007
1:06 AM

Post #3282324

Lol .. you're gonna be vewey vewy busy in a few weeks.

X
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 15, 2007
1:09 AM

Post #3282333

... or very, very crazy!!!

Thanks for dropping in "X"

Judy
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 15, 2007
1:26 AM

Post #3282402

Unlike the previous two years, this years batch of mine is growing like crazy .. usually I can count on them being comotose for a couple of weeks. Everything that's been repotted in the greenhouse is going crazy .. must be the warmer nights in the 50's instead of 40's. I probably won't feed them any time soon .. they need to slow down caise I'm not ready.

X
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 21, 2007
10:16 AM

Post #3304829

Seeds planted 3/12 Ready or not here they come ...

White Large (Inoxia)
White Datura Purple Speckled (Mutant)
Purple Double/Triple/Quad

Remind me to abuse ALL of them next Spring like I did this container.

I put them in a Wal-Mart container (sticky buns came in), put them on my monitor for bottom heat. A few days later, I notice the container was covered in condensation, opened it and found a tad of white fuzzy on many of the seeds, looked like mold to me. I toyed with the idea of dumping the whole thing, but instead left the top open so they would dry out.

This is what they look like this morning. Only one of the White W/Purple Specks has sprouted. The None of Purple/Lauvender seeds have sprouted but the seeds are OLD, but we'll keep watching them since some just take longer to sprout than others. . The seeds that sprouted are 2005 seeds.

Judy

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judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 21, 2007
10:18 AM

Post #3304843

Comparison of stems: This is a close up of the Large White (Inoxia)

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judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 21, 2007
10:19 AM

Post #3304845

Now the Double/Triple/Quad Purple

Interesting don't you think!!

Judy

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Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 21, 2007
11:34 AM

Post #3305165

That is interesting. I'm assuming they all got equal light. It appears that the inoxia is more photosensative than the purples. Might be because the dark purple stems may absorb more light than the green ones.

X

judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 21, 2007
12:17 PM

Post #3305297

They have purple stems but I have never noticed it on the seedlings, probably because I hadn't sprouted them together before. There is a PlantFile picture which shows the stems http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/30168/

Judy
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 21, 2007
2:59 PM

Post #3305695

You need to get them into more sun as they look a bit leggy.

X
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)

March 21, 2007
3:16 PM

Post #3305751

Leggy for sure, I have them in the only window which is not shadowed by an overhanging porch. They've just popped up leggy and all in the last couple of days. lol lol

Judy
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2007
11:09 AM

Post #3346654

Judy, they look beautiful... thanks to X I for the tips and mine are all growing... and since I didn't believe they would start I kept planting and now I have about 72 plants!!!!! and I am not getting rid of any... well I mean I will give to friends but I am giving all of them a chance!!!! I have a huge patch to plant... so this year it will daturas all over...

I had to shake and curse mine... but they came out... and of course I lost some labels so it will be a surprise which color they will be!!!
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 2, 2007
12:06 PM

Post #3346870

A raspberry to all that laughed at my novel way of getting datura to sprout! LOL It really does work!

X
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2007
1:47 PM

Post #3347253

LOL... yes, it did work for me!!!! I felt a bit silly doing it, but again I am a silly person...
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 2, 2007
2:28 PM

Post #3347432

So what do the seedlings look like now Judy? Post some pictures!!!

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
6:16 AM

Post #3349901

How long does it take for datura seeds to germinate? I have been waiting for three weeks - is this normal?
PhlowrsInPhilly
Philadelphia, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 3, 2007
9:26 AM

Post #3350272

Judy-
What will you do with your seedlings since they're a bit leggy like mine? Can you bury 'em up to the leaves like tomatoes?
I'd post pictures of mine, but my other half is out of town with the digital camera.
Samantha
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
9:36 AM

Post #3350313

Seandor, I have datura seeds coming up that were planted 2 months ago. Sometimes they pop right up and other times they can take months. A big factor is how warm the soil is. Don't give up and try the Curse n Stir method. That works too.

You can find the instructions here:

http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/682656/

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
10:04 AM

Post #3350410

Curse and stir! Well, I suspect soil temperature has something to do with it. I do not have a heat pad, and Our Old House is normally in the 58 to 62 degree range for about 20 hours a day. (We do heat it up when company comes over!).
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
10:29 AM

Post #3350496

Seandor, don't worry ... just shake it and be stern... it worked for me... I am serious... and I will post pictures of all the 48 daturas I have going...!!!!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
10:43 AM

Post #3350532

Okay Kassia - I will shake them and be stern! (even though it goes against my sweet, gentle nature . . . LOL)
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
10:48 AM

Post #3350546

After you curse n stir you might try putting it on your hot water heater.

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
12:36 PM

Post #3350879

Hey - now that's a thought! I will definitely move them to the hot water tank! Wait . . . aren't they insulated ? Oh well, might as well try :-)
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
1:54 PM

Post #3351133

Even insulated they do throw off some heat.

X
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2007
7:51 PM

Post #3352171

here is the result of shaking and cursing!!!!

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Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 3, 2007
9:45 PM

Post #3352548

Lol .. lookin good!

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2007
6:32 AM

Post #3353427

Well - mine have now been shaken, cursed, and deported to the basement where they now sit on the water heater. I hope exile shows I mean business!
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2007
9:27 AM

Post #3353869

they will learn their lesson!!!!!
Riverland
Northeast, LA
(Zone 8a)

April 15, 2007
1:11 PM

Post #3394231

Judy your seeds look like they are on the surface. What method are you using?
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2007
1:24 PM

Post #3394269

sigh . . . still waiting . . .
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 16, 2007
9:22 AM

Post #3397042

Be patient! I know how frustrated you feel! I just potted up some seedlings I had planted in January. They didn't start coming up until a few weeks ago.
X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2007
1:02 PM

Post #3397949

Thanks . . . I feel better now :-)
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2007
8:15 PM

Post #3399298

Seandor, I will get you some in case yours don't germinate... I have way to many daturas started...
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2007
4:48 AM

Post #3400451

Oh Kassia . . . thank-you so much! I am going to march upstairs and tell those darn datura seeds what you said . . . maybe the threat of being replaced will motivate them to germinate!

Michaela
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2007
10:17 AM

Post #3400985

that and good shaking!!!!
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2007
11:05 AM

Post #3401132

no .. it stirring .. not shaking! Curse n Stir.

X
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2007
11:43 AM

Post #3401240

see, I shook mine!!!! and they all sprouted... lol!!!!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2007
12:52 PM

Post #3401454

I think they need to cursed in Portugese. :-)
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2007
1:33 PM

Post #3408581

lol... well, my daturas are going to be happy today!!!!! they will get sunshine!!!!! finally!!!! I am getting so happy!!!!!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 20, 2007
5:25 AM

Post #3410714

Get this! I have Easter Cactus seeds and amaryllis seeds that I just planted two weeks ago germinating! Right beside them the datura remain sleeping! $#%^%$#@% !

I did everything you did Kassia - except cursing in Portugeses . . . ummmm I wonder if cursing in French would work . . . my daughter went to French Immersion School when we lived in Canada . . .
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 20, 2007
2:26 PM

Post #3412088

ok, we need a plan for your daturas... they need a teacher! so when I see you I will give you some and my datura can teach yours... and they will live happy together!!!!

do you have more seeds??? I still have seeds for white, db yellow and db white... but I have tons of db purple plants... so I will be more than happy to share with you!
beanybaby123
Guelph
Canada
(Zone 5a)

April 20, 2007
5:19 PM

Post #3412550

For all that doubt the curse & stir method...I planted a package of yellow double daturas Feb 4/047 and finally gave up March 4/07 when I spied a package of purple double's in a local store here for $9.00 Cdn a package. So determined I was to own datura's this year for the first time, I bought the package of 10 seeds and they all sprouted 2 weeks later. I used the pot that had the yellow daturas seeds , just stired the soil and planted a purple datura transplant which is now about 5 inches high. Just 2 weeks ago I noticed that there was another seedling in the pot, then next day another, I now have 8 yellow datura babies along with 10 purple. The yellow have a way to go to catch up with the purple in size, but I'm so excited. They may be in bloom by the time I plant outside !
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 21, 2007
7:10 AM

Post #3414462

So I should not give up hope? Yeah - if you have seeds to spare Kassia, bring them along next time you are in Springfield (or I go to Framingham)


do you want any Easter Cactus seeds or Amaryllis seeds?
Riverland
Northeast, LA
(Zone 8a)

April 21, 2007
10:12 AM

Post #3414864

beanybaby how are you telling the difference in the seed. All of my yellow datura have purple stems. Have they been miss marked?
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2007
7:53 AM

Post #3442870

Riverland, your yellow dat stem should lighten up as they grow .. a lot of them start out dark then green up.

Seandor, don't give up hope. As I keep saying, datura can be slow or fast. You can give up after a year.

I started a bunch of old seeds from a mix I had to get fresh seeds (a little garden helper friend decided to combine all my double seeds into one container so I'd have more containers.) They can be be white, purple, yellow or cream n sugar. If you like I'll send you some plants. All I ask is that you send me some seeds back. These guys took months to come up. They have doubled/tripled in size since I took this picture.

X

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Riverland
Northeast, LA
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2007
6:29 PM

Post #3444990

Do you think they could make a trip like that.? I would be afraid to take a chance even though I would love having it.
Cindy
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2007
7:21 PM

Post #3445125

I'm trying to figure out why some of you think datura is fragile. It is not! They are tough as nails and take tons of abuse. For over a decade now I have planted, transplanted, replanted and even trimmed roots of datura and they don't even blink. They are weeds you know.

I have had squirrels dig them up and shred them to pieces only to have them come back if you stick the roots back in the ground. I have chopped them up, thrown them on a compost pile and have had the pieces come back as new little plants. I've had them survive hard freezes into the 20's. I've over watered them and underwatered them, heck 1 dat plant even caught on fire when my stupid neighbor shot off a rocket sideways on the 4th a few years back and it survived.

The only thing they seem to succumb to are bug attacks. You've all seen the picture of the dat that was chewed to pieces by bugs making the leaves look like lace, only to come back big and strong producing my best flowers of the year after treating it with sevin dust.

Datura are not fragile, not in the slightest.

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 29, 2007
7:40 PM

Post #3445186

Xerantheum, I am growing datura for the very first time. Is there anyway to overwinter them in the house, or are they strictly annuals?

Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2007
7:53 PM

Post #3445221

I'm sure they can be over wintered, but the problem is that once you let them go to seed they get really ugly. They really are easy to grow from seed and I'm surprised at the trouble you are having. What are you using for potting medium? I use ProMix BX .. a peat based potting mix and just barely cover them. But I'll say it again, dats can come up fast or be slow as molassas in January.

Did you just have one variety of seeds or is the problem widespread among different varieties? I'm at a loss.

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 29, 2007
8:05 PM

Post #3445250

I received seeds for the black currant swirl variety. I suspect I can't get it warm enough. I might have to take them to my office. I did shake them and curse them (Kassia told me to!) But it didn't help much.
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2007
8:29 PM

Post #3445303

That probably is the problem .. do you have a heating pad? You can set the pot on one of those on low.

X
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2007
6:41 AM

Post #3446480

I am taking them to the office. I suspect they are going to germinate so late, that the most I can hope for this year is one flush of flowers from which I can take seeds so that next year I can really enjoy these plants.
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2007
7:51 AM

Post #3446606

hey, I was looking at my seed box yesterday and found more datura seeds... would you like some more???
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2007
8:18 AM

Post #3446688

Sure! I'll try anything!

Thanks Kassia! Did you want to mail me the seeds? Check your dmail.
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2007
9:41 AM

Post #3446917

ok!
beanybaby123
Guelph
Canada
(Zone 5a)

April 30, 2007
10:07 AM

Post #3446986

Hi Riverland, you asked about the stem colouring on my double yellow dat's. Mine are difinetly yellow stemed, where the purple dat's are purple stems. The largest ones are about 8 inches tall, and someone here said that they like to bloom at 8 inches, so I can only hope and wait. I can't plant out here until 3rd week of May, maybe 2nd week but that's really pushing it, I think.
Perhaps Xeramtheum can comment on when she would suggest hardening them off. The average temps here right now is about 60-65 F with overnight lows about 35-45F, in May we can still get frost. Our average last frost date is May 15, so last year when we had a really early spring, and temps were above normal I planted out annuals and lost a few, this year I'd like to be more careful, yet I am anxious to get everything out, specially the dats and amaranthus

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