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prettyhortgirl
Somerville, MA
(Zone 5a)

March 16, 2007
12:22 AM

Post #3285859

a nice week for the seedlings getting some wind therapy in the weather, but alas, winter storm warning for the upcoming 48 hrs. 3-6" predicted here woooohooo [note the sarcasm :^p]

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ckk
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 16, 2007
12:50 AM

Post #3285956

Here, too, but we're supposed to get a foot or more. :-( It's too bad, because I was able to see all my garden beds again.
My kids keep asking when it's supposed to start - timing is *everything* when it comes to school cancellations.

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tommyr2006
Poughkeepsie, NY

March 16, 2007
12:53 AM

Post #3285968

They forecast 10-14" here tomorrow, CAN'T BE!
75 here yesterday and a foot or more tomorrow??? Who ticked off mother Nature?????

Tom
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 16, 2007
12:57 AM

Post #3285981

Ckk - we're neighbors. I think I even recognize the neighborhood! Please don't say... a FOOT???!?!? I heard 6 inches. I hope it's not a foot. Hear me whine...waaaaa

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
12:59 AM

Post #3285991

6-12 inches predicted here! Schools were already off for a supervisors meeting or something. Can't believe it was 70 here yesterday. March is cruel.
ckk
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 16, 2007
1:09 AM

Post #3286040

Songs , hey we are! You guys always seem to cancel school more often than our town. My kids always grumble about that - "but Merrimack canceled!" Frankly, I hope they do cancel school. I'll never forget the storm about 6 years ago when the snow came down so fast during the day that the buses couldn't get through. My neighbors and I snow blew (is that the right way to say that?) a path to the corner so that cars could get in. Some of the kids had to stay at school until late at night. No thanks!
jjpm74
Stratford, CT
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
4:28 AM

Post #3286771

They're saying 1-16 inches here. It must be nice to be a weather forcaster. The only job in the world where you can be wrong more often than you're right and still be considered at the top of your field.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
9:45 AM

Post #3287385

1 - 16??! Never heard such a wide range given. Yankee, you're right. They do make lots and 99% of the time just repeat the NWS forecast anyway.
watersedge
Northeast Harbor, ME

March 16, 2007
11:19 AM

Post #3287692

Your more northeasterly friend just shakes his head, never having seen bare ground or 70 degree weather. At least the snow'll cover up the bare dirt roads. That mud was getting slick...
jjpm74
Stratford, CT
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
11:21 AM

Post #3287705

Victorygardener--I was giving a range based on what the different channels were saying. I always end up going by the NWS bulletins since they aren't in it for the ratings which call for 4-6 inches by Saturday morning.
prettyhortgirl
Somerville, MA
(Zone 5a)

March 16, 2007
11:30 AM

Post #3287736

eeeeeeew [from weather.com just now]

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victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
12:01 PM

Post #3287837

I second that, phg! I'm in the 12" zone.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
12:31 PM

Post #3287161

AND I hear that weather forecasters get the BIG bucks.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 16, 2007
12:46 PM

Post #3287988

Here too...expecting 6-12" with gusty winds tonight into tomorrow morning. Tomorrow, sleet freezing rain turning to straight rain coming down heavy at times w/gusty winds. The cannoe and life jackets are ready should we need them.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 16, 2007
12:48 PM

Post #3287992

Let's hope not, Pixie!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 17, 2007
9:50 AM

Post #3290973

It's a great day for the Irish - NOT!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 17, 2007
10:51 AM

Post #3291173

For the Irish Eskimos.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 17, 2007
10:56 AM

Post #3291199

On a NYC radio station they just said they're still expecting over two million people at the parade. Amazing!
ownedbycats
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 19, 2007
10:48 PM

Post #3300182

They were WRONG!!!

They were saying 6-9 -- I got over 14"!!!!!

Not happy - even with the Subaru, we couldn't get out of the driveway. We had to dig out and were late for the appointment to get the taxes done.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
7:21 AM

Post #3300822

We had a terrific rain storm around 9 PM, last night, and there's very little snow left.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
7:30 AM

Post #3300831

I woke to snow showers again this morning!!! I'd take the rain just so I could see the ground.
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2007
7:55 AM

Post #3300883

we haven't gotten much more snow (3-4"), but our little lake is frozen again and I'm SICK OF WINTER!!!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
8:02 AM

Post #3300901

Today is my grandson's first birthday, so can spring be far away? No!

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pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
8:05 AM

Post #3300909

I hear ya Gram!! Me too...I have so many plants to put in the ground that I really should of started digging a few new beds weeks ago. But it will be at least a month before all this snow goes away, unless we get some heavy rains. I have gotten carried away w/plant orders this winter...have 32 daylilies coming not to mention rose's and other perennials. Oh, and lets not forget the seeds that are sprouting. What was I thinking???!!!!!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
8:06 AM

Post #3300913

Oh Pirl...he's adorable!!! Happy 1st Birthday Charlie!!!!!!!!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
9:10 AM

Post #3301102

Happy Birthday!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
9:45 AM

Post #3301231

Thanks, all! His two favorite gifts? Sunglasses (3 pair) and the balloon I remembered to buy!

I'm in a hold pattern for panic right now. Way too many seeds, lots of dahlias, Floribundas (5) planted but then received the two rose trees yesterday (now soaking with moss and plastic bag on top, per directions), then went over my delphinium order (hard to admit to) and see 48 plants there - another "what was I thinking" episode. The caladiums and clematis arrive next month but "just to be sure" I bought more caladiums, acidanthera and freesia.

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victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
9:57 AM

Post #3301264

I have those "What was I thinking?!" gardening episodes on a regular basis.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
9:58 AM

Post #3301268

JasperDale (Long Beach, CA) and I were talking about starting such a thread. I must have two plants planned for every vacancy. Looks like more daylilies at the curb this year.
prettyhortgirl
Somerville, MA
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
3:40 PM

Post #3302276

we had 6-8" left AFTER the 2" of rain. not to mention the 6" i already shoveled 1/2 way thru. good thing too.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
4:35 PM

Post #3302455

By late tomorrow afternoon let's hope it's melted. Here I can spot only an occasional little bit of snow. MUD WE HAVE!
grampapa
Wheatfield, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2007
4:54 PM

Post #3302543

pirl, love the pic with the balloon. too cute. kinda like walkin' into the sunset after the party ;0) hard to believe Charlie's a year old already. (btw, very pretty room...the floors are gorgeous!)

pixie, I know I'll be needing more daylilies by next year. probably should be dividing some of my clumps from my original landscaping, but you know I'm going to want new ones LOL got an Oakes catalog today and DH asked me a couple of times...'did you look at this one?'...I think he likes them.



pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
5:45 PM

Post #3302740

Thanks, Gram!

Oakes is wonderful. They don't send skimy plants either! We all need a change of pace now and then so I know how you feel about wanting some new faces to appreciate.
bigcityal
Menasha, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
5:50 PM

Post #3302753

Not daylilies Jan, I thought I was leading you down the path of serenity with dahlias, helenium and echinacea.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
5:57 PM

Post #3302772

And what path do daylilies lead you down??
bigcityal
Menasha, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 20, 2007
6:22 PM

Post #3302846

The road to destroy all you have but daylilies - can't just have a hundred.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
9:03 PM

Post #3303437

Like potato chips??
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
9:43 PM

Post #3303606

Much worse! Speaking as the owner of almost 2,000.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
9:57 PM

Post #3303663

2,000 daylilies??!! Wow, how big is your property, Pirl?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 20, 2007
10:03 PM

Post #3303687

Almost an acre. Yes, they're squeezed in!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 20, 2007
10:20 PM

Post #3303763

I'm tempted to give some of the deer in my area directions to the LIE. I'll tell them there is a major buffet awaiting them on the east end. Do you have labels for all those babies?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
8:45 AM

Post #3304575

Most, not all. Many times I could (and did) make one label for a hybridized grouping. So I have one area of 20 of the exact same cross all together - no need for an additional 9 labels.

As for the deer they stop at the property next door and then return to their haunts. Somebody up there must enjoy our daylilies and the deer aren't a problem. Even at our neighbor's house they only eat rosebuds and not the hosta.
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2007
8:51 AM

Post #3304593

Pirl, can I come visit your garden when it is in bloom - it must be spectacular!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
8:57 AM

Post #3304614

Here's an easy way to tour our gardens - http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/528730/

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 21, 2007
11:50 AM

Post #3305212

Gram,
Looks like DH may be getting the DL bug. LOL However...before you order any, please check w/me to see if I have some of the variety you desire and I will gladly share if I have extra fans.

Pirl's 2000 DL just makes me drool, her gardens are beautiful. My DH saw some of her purple DL and just went ga-ga. Purple is one of his favorites when it comes to DL.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
2:32 PM

Post #3305609

Here's two of the 2,000.

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victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 21, 2007
2:37 PM

Post #3305631

Nice!
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2007
4:20 PM

Post #3305955

Pirl, I took the tour and your whole yard is lush & gogeous!!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 21, 2007
5:15 PM

Post #3306130

Pirl..Pandora's Box & Piccadilly Princess? Hard to guess by a picture but they are beautiful clumps no matter what they are!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
8:40 PM

Post #3306776

Thank you Victor and Dave!

Pixie - Pandora's Box and (there is a path all around those areas) Dancing Shiva around a birdbath.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 21, 2007
8:44 PM

Post #3306796

Pirl, I might have to take a trip at dividing time!!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 21, 2007
8:49 PM

Post #3306823

Pirl, I got it right!!!(only because I have one too) How bout the pinkish DL in the background ...what is that one? Thats the one I wondered if it was Piccadilly Princess, as I have PP coming this spring.


Link to Treeclimbers picture of Piccadilly Princess
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=3237075


This message was edited Mar 21, 2007 9:01 PM
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
8:51 PM

Post #3306833

The pink one really is Dancing Shiva. It came from Oakes and loves being in afternoon shade.

Victor - just name your colors and I can show you where to dig! Bring shovels, pails, tarps, labels with you.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 21, 2007
8:51 PM

Post #3306836

I have PP coming right now - I'll be right back.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 21, 2007
8:53 PM

Post #3306850

Sounds great Pirl. I'll trade daylilies for one five and one eight year old boy.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 21, 2007
9:03 PM

Post #3306894

I don't believe that for a second! Now, if you said you had some deer you wanted to "move on" I could believe it but, no thank you!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 21, 2007
9:05 PM

Post #3306906

LOL Victor!! PP coming...at first i thought you were getting Piccadilly...then you said now! I'm a bit slow this evening, took me a second to get it.
What did those boys do so bad that your gonna trade em????????

Pirl, thanks for the name, I'll have to go look that one up!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 21, 2007
9:36 PM

Post #3307011

Just kidding about the boys. I love them. Sometimes they're just...boys!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 22, 2007
8:03 AM

Post #3307874

Victor - if/when they get you crazy with their antics/running/yelping, etc. stop and say a prayer of thanks that they're healthy, happy, growing boys. We, who are parents of healthy kids, are so fortunate.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 22, 2007
8:15 AM

Post #3307895

I'm in total agreement Pirl. My son is hanndicapped and has a seizure disorder, but he is very healthy considering he has seizures every day of his life. I have seen others like him who aren't as lucky.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 22, 2007
9:46 AM

Post #3308116

Very true, pirl and pixie. I think about that all the time.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2007
11:33 PM

Post #3310638

Yeah, Victor! I believe the title of this thread has to do with poo-poo not pp.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 23, 2007
8:01 AM

Post #3311070

You are too cute, Dave!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2007
8:19 AM

Post #3311119

Potty talk is potty talk.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2007
9:38 PM

Post #3313700

Thanks Pirl!
Victor, I love it when you talk potty!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 24, 2007
8:49 AM

Post #3314886

This is just funny, funny and I don't even stutter.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2007
10:07 AM

Post #3315082

Dave, I get it from my 5 year old. It's his preferred language.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2007
3:05 PM

Post #3315742

My 7 year old just asked me to spell "I cup" Then asked what the f word meant because a kid on the bus used it. Conversation time.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2007
3:10 PM

Post #3315753

Oh boy! I have had those moments a few times already.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2007
6:06 PM

Post #3316164

Already? With your 5 year old?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 24, 2007
6:09 PM

Post #3316179

Jack's granddaughter was only 6 when the 12 year old girls on the school bus told her how to keep a boy happy! It certainly had us adults gasping!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2007
6:12 PM

Post #3316185

Yes! It's the daycare. At Christmas time I said "Oh, that decoration fell down again!" My five year old, Paul, replied, "Of f---!" We had a talk. It's difficult when part of you wants to remain calm to downplay it, part is in shock and part wants to crack up. The best part of that incident was when I asked what he said, he knew it was not a nice word and proceeded to strategically change it. He said "Fug?". I said "No that wasn't it". Then he said "Frog?" Pretty funny in retrospect.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2007
6:13 PM

Post #3316191

Pirl, I've been hearing storied like that more and more. There was a story on the morning radio news the other day that sex on the school bus is becoming more and more common! Crazy.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 24, 2007
7:53 PM

Post #3316444

Too scary! Certainly the perspectives of so many people changed back in the 90's.

This message was edited Mar 24, 2007 8:42 PM
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
12:54 AM

Post #3317411

It is very strange what some girl's are using their new more "liberated" freedom to do. It's like the taboos about sex are gone but they are still trying to please boys. The combination is scarey.
Don't get me wrong. I coinsider myself a feminist. But what's going on has nothing to do with empowerment.
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
8:07 AM

Post #3317787

Dave is right.
Many young women confuse sexual allure with REAL power. The popular media, desperate for an audience, increasingly turns to more graphic depictions of violence. Meanwhile, the internet has made pornography mainstream. And female empowerment has been twisted into being a sexual object! See MTV's Spring Break shows.

At the same time, current diet trends have led to many girls entering puberty prematurely - so sexuality is awakened - with even less social maturity.

Increasingly, 'hooking up' is the objective (basically a 'one-night-stand') for both boys and girls - but the emphasis on sexual responsibility is missing. Meanwhile, Brittany Spears - the role model for a generation of teeny-boppers - has done a major meltdown before the age of 25.

Call me a cynic - but I think that virtue is hard to put a price on - literally. There is no profit margin in it. But you can always make money on vice. And in a culture that demands ever increasing economic growth - eventually vice is what gets sold to the public. No wonder little kids are picking up on adult themes - they are everywhere. Just watch the ads on tv.

For the record, I am a humanist feminist - that is, I see both men and women are exploited. For an interesting read on how modern definitions of masculinity lead to the exploitation of men read "Masculinities" by Robert Connell.

sorry about the rant . . .
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 25, 2007
8:19 AM

Post #3317819

"Actions speak louder than words" and Britney Spears actions have shown she's no role model!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
8:54 AM

Post #3317889

Thanks goodness neither of my daughters went through that adoration of celebrity bit. (Neither did I for that matter - I could never understand why my friends went ga ga over the Monkeys . . .)

The closest thing to have that kind of influence was Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady. I saw it when I was 9, and I realized I could change my life . . . What is there to inspire young people today?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2007
11:05 AM

Post #3318273

All this is true but the influence of peers is even stronger than the direct influence of media, the internet and celebrities. Maybe it's a result of trickle down, but the girls are hearing from their friends that they will not be cool or popular if they don't do such and such to the boys. When I first heard about 'rainbow parties' a few years ago I was shocked. Children are sexualized in so many ways. And the seeming explosion of pedophilia is related as well. It's so easy now for these low-lifes to share photos and videos via the net. But parents are a major problem too! They are permitting their daughters to dress like sluts at earlier and earlier ages. Why? Because their friends are doing it. Parents these days have completely surrendered their authority / responsibility when their kids reach middle school! Believe me, if I had a daughter, she would not be dressing like that, period. Similarly, both my wife and I will have the same approach with our sons. They need to know how to treat girls, despite what their friends might be telling them. Way too many parents just throw up their hands. Then when something happens you see them crying and blaming everyone but themselves.
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
5:03 PM

Post #3319197

I'm with you Victorgardener - I have two daughters - and neither have dressed like sluts. What are parents afraid of?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2007
5:38 PM

Post #3319275

Their kids!
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
6:33 PM

Post #3319484

I'm with both of you. I do this stuff for a living (counsel kids & families) and to many parents:
1 Are afraid of their kids being mad at them
2 Don't want to let their kids suffer any sadness, or
3 Don't want to have their children slow down their own social lives.

There are many responsible parents but they all tend to feel like they are swimming against the tide. I have been very lucky with my 14 year old. She always thought Brittany was gross but now wishes everyone would leave her alone because she is such a lost soul.

In a very middle class town were I work, 8th grade boys gave a party last year. Price of admission for girls was oral . This year as 9th graders, those girls went to the HS dance with short skirts sans panties alla Paris & Britt.

I do always remind myself that there are also lots of positives out there to keep from going crazy. Especially,that boys that are more open and sensitive than any boys were willing to admit when I was young. More volunteerism too. (Can you tell I'm a Libra?)

This message was edited Mar 26, 2007 1:15 AM
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
6:40 PM

Post #3319507

One night, when my eldest was 13, she and a friend were sleeping in a tent in the back yard. In the middle of the night, I got up and heard voices - two of which were boys. Nothing was going on. But when I phoned the parents to come get the boys, it was like I had committed a criminal offence. According to the parents, it was okay for the boys to be walking the streets at 3 am. Now - this was in a very safe, rural suburb, but there is a major highway on the edge of the community. Some perv could have snatched one or both of the boys and had been several hundred miles away before the parents even knew they were gone!

We never let our kids go to the store at the gas station at the corner of the highway for that reason. Overly protective? probably . . . But both our daughters have made it to adulthood, so we did something correct.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2007
6:45 PM

Post #3319527

Amazing!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2007
8:03 PM

Post #3319843

Wow, that's sick Dave. And your job must be tough! You have my admiration and respect. Do you feel it's a lost cause sometimes?

Seandor, incredible. Instead of being grateful, that's what you hear. I love it when some parent is complaining about what happened to their 14 year old at 3 AM!

It is MUCH worse now than when I was a kid.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 25, 2007
9:00 PM

Post #3320080

This is hard for me to accept. When I was engaged I was home from my dates and asleep by 9:30! No wonder my mom loved me best!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2007
10:34 PM

Post #3320393

Yes, times have certainly changed - and not for the better.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2007
1:14 AM

Post #3320836

Victor, Sometimes. But more often I feel positive about the kids. Parents can be tougher.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 26, 2007
8:16 AM

Post #3321135

I've never been able to grasp the "I want to be friends with my child" concept.

What teenager ever says, "Hey Dad, let's hang out at the mall?"

Kids can select their friends and that's where the peer pressure comes into play. Friends and their parents should be viewed as extended family and if you don't approve (as a parent) then the trouble begins. I've been so fortunate with my own adult kids selecting friends at 6 and 10 years old that still remain friends. Here's my daughter at the baby shower, January of '06, with her kindergarten friends (who were in her wedding party) - Kim and Allison (at right). Kim led such a wild and uncontrolled life that she was the perfect example of what NOT to become for my Kathy (on the left) and Allison.

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Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2007
10:58 PM

Post #3324066

Pretty daughter Pirl. You done good.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
8:57 AM

Post #3324929

Not me - my daughter. I'm so thankful that my kids aren't and never were on drugs or any activities that would harm them.
ckk
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2007
9:33 AM

Post #3325036

Just caught up with this thread - you're all singing my song! I have two girls in the thick of things - 16 and 12. I'm always the "bad guy" vs. other Moms when it comes to setting limits. No, you can't go to the mall with your friends unattended when you're 12; No, you can't go to that party if the parents aren't home; No, you can't watch an R-rated movie at your 12-yr. old friend's house. What the heck are these parents thinking, that their kids are adults? My oldest daughter has seen the light and now tells my younger daughter that limit-setting is good. She sees her former friends from middle-school that had no limits now drinking, taking drugs, getting lousy grades, getting pregnant.

I firmly believe that extracurriculars really help keep kids out of trouble. Both of my girls are heavily involved in music - the oldest is in marching band at school. I also think that parents need to be around MORE as kids get older rather than less. I've reworked my schedule to be home when they're home, thus no unmonitored computer time, etc. It's a shame that more parents don't have that flexibility. My house every day becomes "homework central" for the lonely kids in the neighborhood that need company. Seriously, I live in a neighborhood where parents leave the house before their elementary school children go the bus stop! Guess who picks up the pieces if the bus doesn't arrive? I had one girl last year (middle school) who showed up at my door crying because she missed the bus and didn't want her Mom to find out because she'd get in trouble. My heart just cries for these kids.

OK, I'm done ranting. :-0

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2007
10:39 AM

Post #3325259

Ok all you mean Mom's...I posted this a while back in the parenting forum but it really fits in here right now, so i'm posting the link for you. Enjoy!!
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/668689/
ckk
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2007
10:45 AM

Post #3325283

pixie - "By the time we were teenagers, she could read our minds and had eyes in the back of her head. "

That part made me laugh! My oldest is always accusing me of being psychic, but it's just good observation skills with our kids! Good to know that I'm not the only one. Thanks for the link.

Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2007
1:10 PM

Post #3325731

pixie, What about mean Dads??

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
1:18 PM

Post #3325752

Very good, pixie. But let's not be so stuck with old-fashioned stereotypes here! I'm a mean DAD! My wife is a mean Mom too, but I am the stay at home right now. Our boys are only 5 and 8 but they can expect mean parents awaiting their teenage years.

Victor

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
1:18 PM

Post #3325753

Looks like we crossed Dave!! Same thoughts.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2007
4:41 PM

Post #3326344

Sorry Dave & Victor...didn't mean to exclude you!! DD sent that to me as I was a single Mom for several years after my divorce. She was just letting me know I did a good job and she NOW appreciates it. So all of you...Mom's AND Dad's out there with teenagers (or about to be) have hope, they only hate you for a short time! LOL

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
5:30 PM

Post #3326491

Apologies to phgirl for hijacking her poopoo thread! It's just that when I look forward to (meaning dread) the teenage years, poopoo jumps to mind.
prettyhortgirl
Somerville, MA
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2007
5:46 PM

Post #3326533

oh i dont mind. as a young person [surprisingly] i can agree with everything being said. i always am telling my bf "i remember not being allowed to wear a skirt higher than a hand above my knee" and i def had the meanest dad [in bed lights out 10 pm/12 wkends] no sleepover at boys house, no parties [well, until i was 17] and most of all, he got this guy who really was effed in the head to move to a different state. i was so mad for a long long time "you will thank me for this someday" was all he had to say on the matter, and he was right. i plan on being a mean mom. [snort] :p

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
6:21 PM

Post #3326627

pht, I am very encouraged to hear that! (I could see boys 'volunteering' to check the 'hand above the knee' rule however!!! Hee hee.)
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
6:39 PM

Post #3326691

I feel like Grandma Moses here!!!!!!
DawnLL

(Zone 4a)

March 27, 2007
7:17 PM

Post #3326842

The thing that really worries me is that we have 2 young girls (not old enough yet to get into that kind of trouble) which we constanly worry about their future. So much has even changed since we were in school and I am not that old - 32. Dh and I believe we are fairly good parents. We both work full time however we believe in talking to our kids and talking a lot. We spend every moment we can trying to teach, play and talk to our kids. We want to instill good morals and values and teach them love, and compassion. However I know once they begin school it is going to be a whole new world out there full of other kids teaching them the wrong things. I just hope that by keeping our doors of communication open and setting boundries that they will choose the right path. It isn't so much "our" parenting skills that worry me it is how my children will react when they get out in that new world.

Part of me would love to keep them chained up in this house until they are 20 but that is unrealistic.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
8:00 PM

Post #3326982

This new world is a far cry from Spin the Bottle!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2007
8:39 PM

Post #3327120

Oh pirl...I remember the first time I played spin the bottle! The guy it landed on was sitting next to me and as he leaned in for a kiss he grabbed my breast and instinct(from having 6 brothers) took over and I punched him in the mouth. He got a fat lip, not a kiss!! No one wanted to play spin the bottle w/me after that...I wonder why??

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
8:55 PM

Post #3327164

Dawn, we have always felt the same way. We were concerned about life 'outside our bubble'. It was all the other parents that worried us! However, so far, and our elder is only 8, we see the impact we have had on him. There are times when it seems no matter how many times you repeat something, it just doesn't get through and that causes you to worry. Then comes one of those great moments when someone tells you what your son was telling the other kids and it was exactly what you thought he wasn't hearing from you! Or he'll be pretending to be a parent and be teaching his younger brother. Again, he'll be sounding just like us! You make a huge difference in their lives. Important thing is - it can't stop at 10 or 14 or 16.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
8:56 PM

Post #3327171

Good for you! The first time someone tried a certain type of kiss I bit his tongue...and NO I'm not related to Lorena Bobbit!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
8:57 PM

Post #3327176

Victor - we cross posted. I agree - keep the dialogue going.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
8:58 PM

Post #3327185

You know what Jeffrey Dahmer said to Lorena Bobbitt?? "You gonna eat that?"
DawnLL

(Zone 4a)

March 27, 2007
9:06 PM

Post #3327219

Eww Victor LOL

Well all I can say is that I hope whatever we teach them stays with them. Those 2 girls are our world and we only want what is best for them and to grow up to be beautiful, intelligent women who can support us when we grow old LOL
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2007
9:06 PM

Post #3327220

Victor!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
9:08 PM

Post #3327230

Well make sure you teach them the joys of gardening. Both my boys have their own 'garden' where they grow whatever they like to eat. My little guy is still waiting for a chicken finger plant.
DawnLL

(Zone 4a)

March 27, 2007
9:21 PM

Post #3327283

Oh yes Victor - I am going to give them each a plant to take care of...I don't really have room to give them a garden of their own but they do love checking my seedlings daily and pointing out when they need watering. They are so cute to watch.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2007
9:22 PM

Post #3327289

My kids' 'garden' was just a plastic half whiskey barrel from Home Depot.
ckk
Southern, NH
(Zone 5b)

March 28, 2007
4:08 AM

Post #3328059

Of course the point of gardening is to share something you love with them.

Victor, your words do come back eventually. At aged 8 all they want to do is to test their limits. Setting limits now saves trouble later!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2007
2:02 PM

Post #3329342

No worries about DG misbehaving - just got censored for using the d_mn word :-)
Kassia
Framingham, MA
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2007
3:42 PM

Post #3329622

lol... you guys are too much!!!!! speaking of Lorena Bobbit... I went to Nursing school with her sister in law... yeap! it was pretty funny when my clinical instructor just jokingly asked my friend if she was related to Lorena... she turned bright red and said :yeah, she used to be married to my brother in law... we didn't know what to do, and of course, I didn't remember the names because I didn't speak much english when that happened... so everyone was laughing at me, when I turned bright red when my friend just said, oh Lorena cut his you know what!!!!! and of course I was not getting it and asked what "what" was...
not so bright some days!!!!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2007
3:46 PM

Post #3329636

Oh Kassia...I would of loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation! Too funny!!!!
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2007
7:11 PM

Post #3330350

Dawn & Victor,
I actually have some expertise here. A good relationship that is loving, promotes individual responsiblity and includes fun goes a long, long way. It will not make our kids bulletproof to all the problems out there but it will greatly enhance your child's ability to deal with it.
Second most important, if a problem arises (and it can with the best of parents) deal with it. Parents that make excuses or have no time for their kids are likely to let problems grow too big before acting. Your positive relationships will help you to notice if things go awry with your kids and you both seem willing to be the adults and take action. So you're both looking good!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2007
8:55 PM

Post #3330707

Thanks Dave. That's been our attitude as well. All that, and lots of hoping / praying!
DawnLL

(Zone 4a)

April 1, 2007
8:16 AM

Post #3342498

Great advice Dave...I feel the same way as you.

Children are so precious and they are only young for so little. Dh and I try to savour all our time with them now because we know before long they will be teens...those are another headache all together but for now we cherish our family time...as they grow older we will deal with those problems head on.
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 4, 2007
10:23 PM

Post #3356703

Hi to everyone at Northeast Gardening. Thanks to Pirl for the invitation. I'm still finding my way around the DG web site and it's nice to be welcomed by one of the forums . Right now in Glens Falls, NY it is snowing on our spring!! But that's a normal spring for Upstate NY - crocus blooming one day and the robins have to run for cover the next day because the temperature has dropped and it is snowing. It gives us somthing to talk (complain) about. I can't wait to get the 2007 gardening season started, but for now I'll just have to watch the snow fall.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
6:53 AM

Post #3357322

Hi there grammyphoeb. Welcome to DG and the Northeast forum!!It's snowing here in Maine too, just Sunday I was admiring how much my tulips had come up. Now im muttering at how much snow is covering them!! We have gotten at least a foot of snow so far and its still snowing. Ho Hum...guess there is nothing to do but join you in watching it come down, so know you are not alone!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2007
8:50 AM

Post #3357598

Hi grammyphoeb - so glad you came over to join us. We didn't get any snow down here but lots of rain. The sun, that was out an hour ago, is hiding behind the clouds now and it's far too wet to do anything outside.

Do you have any favorite flowers - roses, daylilies, bulbs, etc.?

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
8:58 AM

Post #3357619

pirl, just in case your feel left out by not getting snow...here's a pic for you from this morning. It's still snowing here!

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2007
9:03 AM

Post #3357633

I love snow. I'm the one who's always disappointed if we don't have a nice blizzard and we haven't had one in a very long time.

Thanks for the photo, pixie, it's beautiful.

This is the best I could do all winter!

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pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
9:16 AM

Post #3357670

Oh COLOR!!!!! Thank you pirl...my world is totally white right now!
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
9:40 AM

Post #3357761

I guess I can't complain - we only got a few inches of snow and it is starting to melt. As for favorite flowers, I like whatever I can get to grow in my less than perfect soil and what I can keep away from the woodchucks (I did pay to have the family of 4 and their mother escorted out of here last summer). I have several small beds in the backyard that I am working on to improve the soil. My containers that are full of annuals that I grow on the deck and around the house are the most colorful but with a family of 5 woodchucks they can run out green stuff and start on those too!
Right now I have some crocus that are in bloom or were until it snowed last night.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2007
9:41 AM

Post #3357764

Pixie! You didn't notice our blizzard in the background!

Thanks!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 5, 2007
9:42 AM

Post #3357768

grammyphoeb - we cross posted. Nice planter - sings of better days to come.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 5, 2007
10:32 AM

Post #3357935

Welcome, grammy. You'll have lots of fun here!

Victor

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
10:33 AM

Post #3357943

We had a building collapse in Portland from the weight of this snow. This is really terrible and more buildings are in danger.
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2007
10:36 AM

Post #3357956

Wow . . . so much for spring!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 5, 2007
10:37 AM

Post #3357961

Certainly doesn't feel like Spring this AM! Received my first plant delivery yesterday to boot!
Seandor
Springfield, MA
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2007
10:46 AM

Post #3357997

Yikes! I am hoping all my plants will arrive three -four weeks from now!
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 5, 2007
2:37 PM

Post #3358715

Hi Victor, thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to having lots of fun!! I already check the site several times a day to see what everyone is doing. Probably won't do that so much when I can get outside and play in the dirt, but promise to at least once a day. I also love photography and will probably take lots of photos of my flowers. I am strictly an amateur but enjoy playing with a digital camera and a computer.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 5, 2007
3:42 PM

Post #3358888

Then be sure to check out the Photos Forum, including the Daily Pics thread.
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2007
11:34 PM

Post #3360446

Welcome grammy! Glad you stopped by. I've always been able to learn a few things and have a few laughs here. Hope you do too.
Dave
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
5:46 AM

Post #3360821

Hi Dave, nice to meet you. I've got lots to learn and by the looks of everyones photos I've come to the right place. It's already been lots of fun. Thanks for the welcome.
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
7:17 AM

Post #3360893

Pirl, I came up with a favorite flower. I think we're growing this one pretty good. Although I'm not sure he'd like to be called a flower. His first birthday is next week and what did grammy get him - a sand box and gardening tools of course. I hope by the time it gets warmer I can keep sand out of his mouth. I take care of him while his parents work and he is my pride and joy!!

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 6, 2007
7:49 AM

Post #3360940

It's easy to see why you'd choose him as your favorite flower! He's adorable.

My grandson turned one on the first day of spring and, among other things, I gave him his first pail and shovel along with "shades".

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pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
7:49 AM

Post #3360941

Oh my goodness...What a cutie!! I can see why thats your favorite flower!!!!!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
7:51 AM

Post #3360949

Pirl,
I can't believe how big Charlie is getting! Love the shades!!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 6, 2007
7:53 AM

Post #3360954

Everyone loved the invitation showing him with my daughter's shades on so, of course, he ended up with a few pair of them but all with different colors.

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
8:01 AM

Post #3360968

I guess I'd have to say these are my favorite flowers too...
Rose Princess Hunter and Bellflower Hayden

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Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2007
8:06 AM

Post #3360983

Grammy, lovely flower!

My goodness, we can start a child modeing agency with these 4 cuties. One disturbing question: Is Tinkerbell's wand a toilet brush??

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
8:11 AM

Post #3361001

No Dave it is not! But I bet if we gave her a TB and told her it was a wand we could get some work out of her. Would that be considered child labor???
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2007
8:14 AM

Post #3361014

It would be considered smart! I've never seen a specific study but I would bet you that kids that have chores grow up to be happier, healthier adults!

pixie62560

pixie62560
South China, ME
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
8:16 AM

Post #3361020

But she's not even 3 yet...toilets just seem a bit harsh.
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
8:39 AM

Post #3361080

We certainly do have some cuties but I can't get mine to do anything I want him to. I just want him to point to his nose and wave good bye and walk. He's stubborn. He does something once and then won't do it again. As for walking - he's furniture walking but refuses to walk if anyone is holding his hands. So I am just going to work on keeping the sand out of his mouth after he gets his sand box. (I have a feeling one taste of it and that might do the trick) How do you get sand out of one year old child's mouth when they won't do anything you tell them to like drink and spit? I'll let you know how that one turns out.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 6, 2007
10:35 AM

Post #3361452

Great kiddie photos, all! Nice to see the gardening 'farm team'!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 6, 2007
1:02 PM

Post #3361911

I want Charlie's first words to be - Campanula lacitflora. Do you think I'm asking for too much?
Dave47
Southern, CT
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2007
2:26 PM

Post #3362164

Pixie, my kids had jobs by the time they were 3. Gotta bring home the paycheck! ;^)
grammyphoeb
Upper Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 5a)

April 6, 2007
2:38 PM

Post #3362190

Pirl, just don't ask him to spell it. (I don't even think I could spell it and probably can't say it either) Maybe you should work on having him say Grandma instead? Might have more luck eventually.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

April 6, 2007
5:19 PM

Post #3362638

I think they can only pronounce 'lactiflora' if they are breastfed.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 6, 2007
5:32 PM

Post #3362678

He is being nursed!

I just wanted something more unusual than "Grandma" to be his first words, though I will be thrilled with being called Grandma!

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