| Author | Content |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 20, 2007
04:34 PM Post #3303332
| http://www.herbalremedies.com/bactoedrev2n.html
This is book on herbal remedies that everyone had back in the 70s. (The Old Days).
I have the original edition, now new and revised. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 21, 2007
04:50 PM Post #3306827
| I was hoping to be reading something by now!! |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 21, 2007
05:06 PM Post #3306912
| VG: I think there are so many other active threads, this one will have to wait. So I will just drink my chamomile tea and see what happens. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 21, 2007
06:00 PM Post #3307081
| Here here. (Miming the tapping of two tea cups together). |
Hineni
Sharps Chapel, TN
(Zone 6b)
March 21, 2007
06:11 PM Post #3307114
| Gloria, Back to Eden is a great book. It was one of my first acquisitions when I started building my library. I still re-read it regularly.
~Sunny |
spot8907
Ida, MI
March 21, 2007
07:12 PM Post #3307303
| So anyone care to give us a few datails? |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 21, 2007
07:42 PM Post #3307389
| I'll be posting more is a few days. Just started a new job contract and won't have quite as much time until the weekend. |
prettyhortgirl
Somerville, MA
(Zone 5a)
March 22, 2007
11:59 AM Post #3309167
| reminds me of the 1979 publishing i inherited from my mother
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-Herbs-Spices/dp/07112237...
Click the image for an enlarged view.
|
Hemental
Waynesboro, MS
(Zone 8a)
March 22, 2007
04:54 PM Post #3310137
| I have quite a few field guides for plant identification.I also have the followig:
The Herb Book,by John Lust,Folk Medicine,by D.C.Javis.MD and Edible Wild Plants,A North American Field Guide,by Thomas S Elias and Peter A Dykerman. |
Trish
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8b)
 March 22, 2007
05:46 PM Post #3310302
| There are so many!
My current favs are:
The Herbal Medicine-Maker's Handbook
Practical Herbalism
Nutritional Herbology
I could list many many more. Each book seems to have its own strengths and weaknesses, but I think I could get by on just these three. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 22, 2007
05:53 PM Post #3310330
| Vitamins, herbal remedies & complicated combinations of substances for a healthy body are just not going to find a place in my brain.
I have a big index card with the following written down: Bananas, broccoli sprouts, tomatoes, garlic, edamame, green tea, flax+cottage cheese.
That's the extent of my knowledge! Maybe you guys know a book that lays out some things simply.
I'm not stupid. My brain just zeroes in on certain things (Latin names of plants, college basketball) & will not cotton to others. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 23, 2007
08:39 AM Post #3311867
| I was hoping to hear people's personal experiences / recommendations for herbal remedies - not book recommendations.
Anyone have suggestions for seasonal allergy remedies that have actually worked in their experience?? |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 23, 2007
08:43 AM Post #3311878
| Yep. Local honey. Use it in tea, or mix a tablespoon of local honey (raw, unfiltered) with a tablespoon of Bragg's Unfiltered Organic Apple Cider Vinegar in a cup of hot water.
Local honey works like all homeopathics... a little cures what ails you. In this case the honey has traces of most of the local pollens. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 23, 2007
08:47 AM Post #3311889
| Thanks Darius. I will look for it. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 23, 2007
08:56 AM Post #3311910
| http://www.herbalremedies.com/sinol-allergy.html
this is a nasal spray based on capsaicin extracxt and eucapyptus oil.
I use Vicks, which is camphor, eucalyptus oil and menthol.
I don't have allergies, but I did have a sinus infection which persisted for several years. Gone now.
This message was edited Mar 23, 2007 12:10 PM |
Hemental
Waynesboro, MS
(Zone 8a)
March 23, 2007
09:44 AM Post #3312023
| I do not think I will be taking any by mouth however I have used quite a few externally.The latest being bedstaw aka cleavers Gallium aparine.Somehow my dog got burned and a poultice of it completly cured her infection. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 23, 2007
11:26 AM Post #3312347
| Thanks! Anybody have experience with Allerclear? My sister says it helps her.
http://www.allerclear.co.uk/ |
Indy
Alexandria, IN
(Zone 5b)
March 23, 2007
01:01 PM Post #3312768
| i don't do herbals with my own concoctions...a bit scary without more knowledge. I do take a number of formulated ones in supplements though. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 23, 2007
01:14 PM Post #3312814
| I use lavender amonst my sheets when I store them freshly washed. Also, use peppermint oil on a cotton ball if I see a mouse. I use baking soda on grungy messes, pots, and pans, and microwaves. Can't wait to grow lavender this year, so I have more of it to stuff here and there. I stuff it in old cotton socks and put it in the bottom of drawers and storage containers. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 23, 2007
01:17 PM Post #3312833
| Thanks Gloria. I'm growing lots of lavender this year. I assume you dry them upside down, etc.? We're off to Disney next month so I must remember to bring peppermint oil and cotton balls. |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 23, 2007
01:58 PM Post #3312967
| Victor, you think that will keep Mickey and Minnie away? LOL. |
Trish
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8b)
March 23, 2007
07:29 PM Post #3314214
| Well, I have several that I use. I've only been researching and using herbs for a couple of years, so I'm just getting my feet wet. There is so much information out there...
Here's my cough syrup recipe:
1oz. of wild cherry bark
1oz. of mullein (leaf)
1oz. of slippery elm (powder)
1/2 oz. of coltsfoot (leaf)
1/2 oz. of lobelia (leaf)
1/2 oz. pleurisy (root)
1/2 oz. elecampane (root)
1/2 oz. Licorice (root)
Here are some directions on how to make a syrup:
STEP 1/ --Combine the herbs and add to 1 quart water. Simmer liquid over a low heat, condensing the liquid down to a very thick concentrated tea (about 1 pint).
STEP 2/ --Strain herbs. Place liquid back into the pot. Compost the herbs.
STEP 3/ --To the liquid herb concentrate add either 1 cup of honey, (for children over 2 years of age) or 1 cup of white grape juice concentrate and warm the liquid/tea mixture together, stirring well for about 20 minutes over low heat.
STEP 4/ --Cool to lukewarm. Add Brandy (or vodka or whiskey) to flavour and preserve. Brandy relaxes and sooth the throat muscles and calms spastic coughing. If you are uncomfortable about having your family ingest alchohol, add the chough medicine to hot tea, and the heat of the tea will burn off most of the alcohol.
STEP 5/ --Completely cool and then pour cough mixture recipe into clean bottles. Syrups stored in the refrigerator should last for 4-6 months. If refrigeration isn't available, increase sweetener content to 2 cups.
Yes, it is a lot of work, but one batch usually lasts our family of 6 for a full year. It does NOT work on the phlegmy coughs, just on the dry hacking coughs. I'm still looking for a good decongestant.
Meanwhile, I use Eucalyptus essential oils whenever someone is getting sick. Hot bath with about 3-4 drops of oil, repeat daily as needed. 6-7 drops if really bad for the adults. For bronchitis, or other lung infection: hot washcloth with the oil straight on it, placed near nose.
Echinacea is used here with 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off. We only use it to boost the immune system during cold/flu season which is Dec- Feb here.
Also when sick, we use tons of Vitamin C- up to 6000mg per day. Use the kind with the riboflavins (rose hips), please.
Green tea is a staple in our house for it's antioxidant properties.
I have a cold/flu tincture that seems to work well...but I can't find the recipe at the moment...
I'm also currently experimenting with salves that seem to be working very well.
We make "tonic" with herbs instead of taking a vitamin.
I'm sure there's more :), but that should give you an idea :) |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 23, 2007
07:50 PM Post #3314301
| victor, have you tried using a neti pot for your allergies? This practice was a once common personal hygiene practice in many parts of the world (Europe included). Sad that it has died out in everyday practice for many folks. Most of the folks I've recommended it to have been free of nasal and sinus allergy problems since using it. I prefer the stainless steel neti pot available from Health and Yoga over the ceramic ones that are more commonly available.
Here is a link for further information:
http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/sinus/sinus-allergies.html
http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/clean/nasal.html
I would also recommend nettle tea. Don't worry, the sting goes out of the nettle when it is cooked or dried.
If you are looking for a commercial product, ZAND makes a good quality herbal decongestant.
They also make one of the best (most effective) echinacea & goldenseal tinctures available. It is the only brand of echinacea tincture that I recommend for folks looking for a commercial product.
http://www.zand.com/product_individual.asp_Q_productid_E_586
http://www.zand.com/product_individual.asp_Q_productid_E_602 |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 24, 2007
05:55 AM Post #3315056
| Thanks Trish and GM!! |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 24, 2007
06:43 AM Post #3315186
| garden_mermaid: (Love that name).
Time to get ready to plant herbs: What would you consider the basics for herbal remedies/and useful herbs? Lavender & chamomile & rosemary for me. Please expand my horizons. |
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)
March 24, 2007
06:59 AM Post #3315218
| Please tell me more about peppermint and cotton ball, I've heard to spray peppermint/water mixture but not just using peppermint on a cotton ball.
Judy |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 24, 2007
07:18 AM Post #3315256
| Judy: Few drops of pepperment essential oil on a cotton ball. Leave the cotton balls in the coo coo clock. To keep out the mice. |
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)
March 24, 2007
07:39 AM Post #3315315
| gloria125 - Thanks so much!!!
garden_mermaid - years ago when the Internet was a baby, I had a horrible sinus infection. A friend who was a nurse called me, I told her I couldn't talk high fever, sinus infection etc. She said most people won't do this but if you will, I guarantee it will cure your infection in 24 hours, use a water/salt solution in your nose like you would for a gargle.
Not having any idea as to proportions, I mixed it way too strong and the next hurdle was how to get it in my nose. My only exposure had been TV show where a person snorts drugs. Now there is a difference in powder and liquid but remember I had a high temp. I got a spoon, filled it full of the saline mixture, put it right up to the nostril and snorted ... Lord Have Mercy, talk about burning!! But I was determined so I did the same thing to the other nostril.
24 hours later I no longer had a sinus infection, nor have I had one since, because if there is any indication of one, I'm snorting!!
I hope my story at least made you smile and please encourage everyone you know to use a properly proportioned saline spray or better yet the "neti pot" which is much more comfortable and convenient.
Judy
|
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 24, 2007
08:56 AM Post #3315479
| http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/PAG00084
This is dr. weil's herbal remedies list.
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA142972
turmeric wasn't on that list, but as a major anti-inflammatory it should be.
This message was edited Mar 24, 2007 12:07 PM |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 24, 2007
09:13 AM Post #3315510
| mermaid, I see they sell Neti salt packets. Can't any salt be used? Do you know the dilution ratio? Thanks again. |
judycooksey
Pocahontas, TN
(Zone 7b)
March 24, 2007
09:20 AM Post #3315518
| I found this ...
PS Pomegranite Recipes & Saline Solution Recipes
http://www.peoplesrx.com/common/news/store_news.asp?task=sto...
Other sinus infection prevention tips from the article:
1. "Take a hot shower" or lean "over a hot bowl of water with towel draped over your head".
2. "Firmly massage your feet or hands for five minutes, 2-3 times a day."
3. Exercise. "Take a leisurely 20-min. walk around the block once a day." Research shows
that "exercising can work as quickly and effectively as taking an antihistamine." Plus,
you‘ve got the added bonus that outdoor air "contains 75% fewer sinus-irritating
particles."
I'm really not trying to make this thread a "sinus treatment" thread, but think it is important to give more information.
Judy |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 24, 2007
09:23 AM Post #3315526
| Thanks Judy. Yes my problem is strictly seasonal allergies from outside. I never have any indoor, winter problems. |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 24, 2007
11:39 AM Post #3315813
| Garden_mermaid, you're correct about the usefulness of a Neti pot. I too have a stainless steel one and still have a small supply of the salt that came with it. It's just non-iodized salt but seems extra-fine. The challenge with a Neti pot is getting yourself to use it. It's really not unpleasant, and it's not that difficult, but I always find myself putting it off. Right now the pollen counts in Albuquerque are extremely high, over 950, and everyone is suffering, including me. I know the Neti pot will help, and I'm motivating myself right now to start using it today. It helps if you remember to just breathe shallowly through your mouth, not try to take big gulps of air.
Victorgarden: The dilution ratio for my Neti pot was 1 teaspoon of the salt to 16 oz. of water. That gives you 8 oz for each nostril, which is ample.
June |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 24, 2007
02:31 PM Post #3316228
| Thank you June. |
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)
March 24, 2007
05:37 PM Post #3316901
| Victorgardener ~ Ditto on the native honey for the seasonal allergies.
A commercial decongestant made with natural menthol, lanolin and Eucalyptus oil that works well is Euclyptamint Ointment. In the event of a severe sinus headache all I need to do is rub a small spot on each temple and lay down to rest. It is strong enough you would not use it like Vicks or Mentholatum. It can also be used for minor aches, pains of muscles and joints. Not a sales pitch but a natural that works for me...
Most of the herbal recipes I have collected are for foods but this is a horehound throat lozenge that I like.
Horehound Lozenges:
1 1/3 cups dried horehound leaves
2 cups boiling water
2 cups honey
4 cups brown sugar
1 teaspoon cream of tartar
1 teaspoon butter
1 teaspoon lemon juice
Steep the horehound in the boiling water for 15 minutes, strain. To the tea add honey, brown sugar and tartar. Heat to a temperature of 220 degrees F. Add butter, do not stir and heat to 312 degrees F. Remove from heat and add lemon juice. Pour into hot buttered pans, mark into squares and let cool. Use these to relieve sore throat and cough.
A favorite medicinal plant at our home is Aloe. I wouldn't be without it.
For books on Herbals, I have Back to Eden but use The Healing Herbs more often. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 24, 2007
05:42 PM Post #3316921
| Where do I find native honey? Farmers markets? I don't know of any bee keepers around here. By the way, is everyone aware of the crisis with honeybees?? Their numbers have dropped dramatically in a short time. A condition called Colony Collapse Disorder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02... |
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)
March 24, 2007
05:56 PM Post #3316959
| Yes and Yes.
Inquire at farmers markets, the gardeners may know of a beekeeper. Also, ask at any health food stores in the area.
Scientists are gathering in Ca. where many beekeepers gather for the almond tree blooms. They will be testing and attempting to get some insight on CCD. As of yet, I have heard nothing new. It won't bode well for the price of honey or for the farmers and gardeners. |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 24, 2007
08:35 PM Post #3317379
| victor, start with the ratio that june recommended, ie, 1 tsp to a pint or 1/2 tsp to a cup the first time your try it.
If you use fresh water without enough salt, it will cause a burning sensation in your mucous membranes. You can add a little more or less salt to suit your comfort. Everybody's constitution is a little different.
I recommend moisturizing the nasal passage as well. This is done with vegetable oil, like sesame, sunflower or olive oil. Dip a cotton swap in the oil, then rub it gently around the inside of your nostril, then hold the opposite nostril closed and gently sniff to pull some of the oil to the upper nasal passage (be sure to remove the swab first!). Repeat on the other side with a fresh swab. You can do this about 10 minutes after using the neti pot, or anytime the weather is dry. This will help with the type of runny nose where it seems like someone opened a faucet. When the nasal passages get too dry, the body will try to compensate by running moisture over it - usually more than is convenient in a social situation. :)
Keeping the nasal passages moisturized will prevent cracking and help keep invading organisms out of your system. |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 24, 2007
09:04 PM Post #3317423
| Thanks for that tip, garden_mermaid. Here in New Mexico, the natives rub Vaseline inside their nostrils. Swabbing with a bit of oil sounds less messy, plus you can get some into the upper nasal passage as you described.
June |
Stlhead
On the Olympic Penin, WA
(Zone 9a)
March 24, 2007
09:05 PM Post #3317424
| Where does one get a Neti pot?
Richard |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 24, 2007
09:10 PM Post #3317427
| Click on the Health and Yoga links on my March 23rd post to order online. Some natural foods stores will carry them as well. Some Indian markets also carry them. |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 24, 2007
09:20 PM Post #3317443
| I bought mine online at healthandyoga.com. I wanted the stainless steel variety because it is easy to keep sanitary but there are many clay ones available in health food stores or on line.
June
edited because hyperlink didn't work in DG
This message was edited Mar 24, 2007 11:24 PM |
TuttiFrutti
Spokane Valley, WA
(Zone 5b)
 March 25, 2007
02:10 AM Post #3317625
| Here's another thumb's up for the 'neti pot' and its clones!
A plastic version is available at many retail pharmacies for about $15 and includes a few packets of salt for starting out. I got mine at Walgreen's a couple of years ago; you can check your local retailers at the SinuCleanse site: http://www.sinucleanse.com/
*~*~*~*~*
Expanding on Darius' natural honey-and-vinegar solution, our naturopathic doctor recommends the following cough remedy which proved quite beneficial this past winter when my SO was suffering from upper respiratory problems:
1/4 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
1/4 teaspoon ground ginger
1 tablespoon honey
1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar
2 tablespoons water
Dosage: 1 teaspoon whenever the need arises. You can't overdose on this stuff, and in fact, the ingredients have healthful benefits for a myriad of other issues. :-)
P.S. My SO did request that I mix it with a lesser amount of cayenne pepper, but it was still effective.
Donna |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
07:17 AM Post #3318296
| Thanks all! I ordered mine from healthandyoga yesterday. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
07:17 AM Post #3318298
| Thanks GM and everyone else! I ordered mine from healthandyoga yesterday. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
10:35 AM Post #3318838
| Victor, just keep an eye out when driving around. You'd be surprised how many people have a couple of colonies here & there. They just don't advertise them because what people don't know won't hurt them.
I'm happy to report that my one colony is doing beautifully despite the horrendously cold winter we had. They probably wish I would straighten up the colony so it's not tilting wonkily in one direction. Wish I could offer you all some of my honey, since I never even harvest it. Just like messing with the bees. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
11:04 AM Post #3318915
| Summerkid; Ive noticed that I do have a lot of bees. I have wisteria blooming all over the place, and they seem to be interested in it. Im plan to nuke the wisteria, or at least contain it somehow. Is there anything I can do to make the bees happy. I have read that they are disappearing. |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 25, 2007
11:47 AM Post #3319005
| Rosemary, lavender and native salvia attract a lot of bees in my garden and I encourage their presence. Makes it a bit challenging to get in there to weed but I send out friendly vibes and have never been stung. We can buy New Mexico natural raw honey here. It's a very dark brown, looks nothing like other honey in the stores. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
12:10 PM Post #3319065
| My sister thinks getting bee stung helps her rheumatoid arthritis. I would prefer not to get stung, but I don't want to lose the bees either. Id like to do my part to convince them to stay on this earth.
I love rosemary, salvias, and lavender but hadn't thought of putting them together. I wouldn't mind making a bee patch though. |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 25, 2007
01:01 PM Post #3319191
| Gloria, the salvia I have is Salvia Leucantha, also called Mexican bush sage. It can get about 2 ft high and 3 ft wide, with beautiful spikes of deep purple flowers. The lavender in that bed is called Lady Lavender, and is a spreading plant with light purple ball-shaped flowers at the end of the stems. Both are real survivors and quite drought tolerant, which works in the desert. They are all alive with happy bees in the summer. Oddly the bees stay in that one area, they never come over to the patio and bother us. |
Hemental
Waynesboro, MS
(Zone 8a)
March 25, 2007
01:21 PM Post #3319234
| I have about 30 hollies blooming now and they are loaded with honey bees.Next they will be swarms in the Chinese Tallow trees.All I see in the wisteria now are bumble bees.
This message was edited Mar 25, 2007 4:24 PM |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
02:02 PM Post #3319369
| What I see mostly in my garden are bumble bees and yellow jackets. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
02:05 PM Post #3319381
| Well, this is something I don't know. Are bumble bees the same as honey bees? |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
02:11 PM Post #3319393
| Oh, gloria, there are DOZENS of kinds of bees, some of them colony types but most of them solitary & territorial. Actually, outside of the commercial monocropping, which I'm convinced is the worst thing for the bees AND us, most of your home garden pollination is done by NON-honeys. They aren't even native to North America.
As for the wisteria, just think about providing them an alternative early bloom. That is one of the things that benefits them most, because when they come out of that depleted hive first thing in the spring, it is CRUCIAL that they find a pollen source, and they can be rare. My bees come back in March with pollen from somewhere, but I have no clue how. Probably some tree. |
spot8907
Ida, MI
March 25, 2007
02:24 PM Post #3319445
| I had a weeping pussywillow that bloomed very early, march I believe, and it was always absolutely loaded with honeybees every year. Unfortunately it got too big for its location and had to go. But now that you mention it I really should get another pussywillow and put it in another spot, think I'll get the upright kind. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
02:31 PM Post #3319477
| I just learned there is a beekeeping forum on Dave's. I scanned 2 interesting threads: one ground bees. (hornets?) these are highly toxic and I have been stung when I ran over them with the lawnmower. Don't know their name, or how widespread they are, but they are BAD. (if you get stung).
The other article was about the bee colony disfunction and what may be causing it. TheSF chronicle article suggested that bt which is a very common form of insecticide, may be triggering genetic changes in the plants that bees depend upon for pollen.
We have had honey bees here, hiving in an historic building, stuffing the whole side of the building with honey between the plaster and the wood siding. The hive was removed by a local bee keeper. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
03:07 PM Post #3319603
| I've heard of people with drafty houses who one day had honey dripping down their chandelier. Convenient, eh?
The worst encounter I've had with my hive is 11 stings, which was uncomfortable for a few days. The moral of THAT story? Don't ever mess with your hives at night (a no-brainer), and especially don't have a few beers & go do it in your pajamas (I suddenly got it in my head that the hive was going to swarm in the morning if I didn't add a super to give them room).
Hey, all you flax nuts: So many people swear by it for different reasons. But it's such a tiny amount. How quickly & when & where did you see a difference & how did you attribute it to the flax? |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
03:15 PM Post #3319625
| Quote from Summerkid: "if I didn't add a super to give them room)."
Could you explain this, please?
The "bees" swarming in the ground were ground wasps. OOOOWWW!
|
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
03:24 PM Post #3319649
| I am allergic to bee stings - at least yellow jackets, which are what usually get me. Would taking honey have the same effect of allergy shots where you are slowly desensitized by having the allergy causing agent given to you?? |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 25, 2007
03:48 PM Post #3319766
| I didn't know we had a beekeeping forum... but we have grown SO large I cannot keep up.
Last year I had a bunch of ground bees show up outside my shed door, and they were not yellow jackets which also nest in the ground. I'm very allergic to bee stings so I try to avoid them. I did have a friend burn out 2 wasp nests on the eaves of my root cellar last year and today I am seeing more wasps again. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
03:57 PM Post #3319814
| If it's a hospitable site, darius, they will ALWAYS come back. I wonder whether you can create a more attractive area for them somewhere.
Gloria, a "super" is one of those box layers that make up the hive. There are deep & shallow ones, used depending on what time of year & what you are trying to get the bees to do. Once the hive is strong & sustainable, you want to separate the honey area from the babies' combs, so you do that with a screen & supers, keeping the queen in one area but giving the workers plenty of room to build up that honey supply.
I have to say, yanking a bit of fresh comb out of a hive & then running off to eat it is something else. It's like home-grown tomatoes vs. store bought. |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 25, 2007
04:00 PM Post #3319821
| Now you have me drooling! |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
04:17 PM Post #3319913
| You would love having bees, dar. They're like pond creatures. You squat down to watch them and next thing you know, the weekend is gone.
Did you know that bees link arms & legs when they're building the combs? That's what creates the unique shape!
OK, honeybee hijack is over. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
04:21 PM Post #3319931
| I had Bald-faced Hornets last year. Had to have them removed of course. One sting probably would have put me in the ER. Here's a pic I took before I ran my a** off. 
Click the image for an enlarged view.
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summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
04:38 PM Post #3320016
| Oh my goodness! I see those all the time. They are so striking! Or maybe it's mud daubers that hang around. I believe they look very similar. The daubers have built nests in every house I've owned. They can't resist an open door. I always put the nests out on the deck once they're done & capped, but it's tough to pry them out of the curtain tracks!
I get stung by wasps every few days or so because they're always chilling under my seed flats. |
babaco
Sth west of Melbourn
Australia
March 25, 2007
05:01 PM Post #3320081
| Do not like the look of your Bald faced hornets so think I will put up with my redback spiders, & occasional copperhead & tiger snake. At least they cant fly!
I have to be honest with you here by saying I am a distributor for mangosteen juice & wish to hell I could grow the trees but unfortunately that is impossible as they are very hot steamy & tropical & take at least 10 years to fruit.
Anyway we have a lady who buys the juice every year for her son pre-school exam times. He suffers from rhinitis & she says that the juice clears his head completely so he can concentrate. I found that it is particularly good for ear infections. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 25, 2007
05:03 PM Post #3320085
| http://www.webmd.com/content/article/96/103760.htm
bee stings + arthritis |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
05:04 PM Post #3320088
| I think my b'friend, who spent years in Bangkok & the Philippines, has mentioned the mangosteen as something very special & particular to that region. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
March 25, 2007
05:11 PM Post #3320105
| I avoid bees whenever possible. I got stung so often when I was little that I developed a severe allergy to them. One more sting and I would be dead if not in reach of a doc in less than 5 minutes. I finally quit running around barefoot and took a few other precautions so I went 10 yrs without a sting. Now I get stung at least once or twice a year. I keep a close eye on it to make sure it doesn't get worse. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 25, 2007
06:59 PM Post #3320454
| I have noticed that each time I have gotten stung (three or four times over 8 - 10 yrs), the reaction was noticeably worse each time. This past Summer, I received a sting on my finger and my whole hand was swollen in a couple of hours. The next morning, there was swelling under my arm (lymph nodes) the size of half a tennis ball (no exaggeration). So I am seriously considering the shots. |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 25, 2007
07:00 PM Post #3320459
| pepper, hopefully you carry an EpiPen with you just in case you get stung and start to go into shock.
victor, yellow jackets are wasps, not bees. Wasps and bees are different insects with differing diets and habits and different types of venom.
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Indy
Alexandria, IN
(Zone 5b)
March 25, 2007
07:06 PM Post #3320473
| I am not allergic to bee stings...Isn't it an amazing thing... the programed instinct of bees doing honeycombs or birds building exactly a certain kind of nest?
This message was edited Mar 25, 2007 11:17 PM |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 25, 2007
07:11 PM Post #3320492
| Bees are fascinating. I am thankful to see so many bees and many types of bees in our garden this spring.
We've had bumble bees and burrowing bees all over the manzanita blossoms. Honey bees are visiting my peas and really getting excited on the sage and borage blossoms. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 25, 2007
07:20 PM Post #3320518
| They go back & do a particular dance to alert the other bees to the direction & distance of especially great finds!
But there's at least one dance they do that scientists haven't associated with any known reason ...
They forage for 5 miles around. But move the hive 3 feet to one side & they may not find it. That's how laser-sharp their sense of direction is. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 26, 2007
05:04 AM Post #3321269
| I know yellow jackets are wasps, GM. I was speaking more generally. Bees tend to be much less aggressive than yellow jackets. However, I'd prefer not to get stung at all. If I do see an allergist, of course I will tell him / her that it's been YJ's that have been causing the reactions. |
Hineni
Sharps Chapel, TN
(Zone 6b)
March 29, 2007
09:24 AM Post #3332842
| For those of you considering using local honey as a pre-emptive strike against the high pollen allergy season, please try the following:
As everyone has said, local honey is the best. But please, look for the RAW honey with propolis. This honey is not clear, most of the time it is nearly white, with the 'cappings' on the top like a crispy crust. Raw honey contains many more nutrients than heated and filtered honey, and something in the propolis really assists the immune system. I normally begin in December trying to have about a teaspoon every few days on toast or whatever, and continue all summer (actually, I'd eat it every day if I could!) Atlanta's pollen count hit 5,499 particles per cubic meter of air Monday - and I'm outside every day and only have the windows open for cooling right now, and I've really not been bothered at all. While I am not prone to allergies in the first place, even people here that don't have them normally are snuffling and sniffing.
I thoroughly credit the raw honey with propolis (and mine isn't even local) |
june_nmexico
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)
March 29, 2007
09:40 AM Post #3332911
| Hineni -- thanks for that information. Here in Albuquerque our pollen count (juniper, elm, cedar) has been over 9,000 and everyone is suffering. Other pollen offenders haven't even started yet, especially mulberry which gives me fits. I do have a small jar of raw local honey and will give that a try. A teaspoon of honey a day is a treat!
June |
Trish
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
10:18 AM Post #3333055
| This is one of those situations that makes me go "hmmmmm".
Does anyone remember the entire (or mostly entire) US population being bothered by allergies even 15 years ago? Before there were more drugs to combat it than I can count? Nope.
That's a problem that worries me. |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 29, 2007
10:19 AM Post #3333064
| Trish, there are conspiracies everywhere, LOL. |
Trish
Jacksonville, TX
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
11:08 AM Post #3333234
| Oh, I'm well aware! |
brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
11:25 AM Post #3333289
| Remember -- just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT after you! |
Hineni
Sharps Chapel, TN
(Zone 6b)
March 29, 2007
11:32 AM Post #3333308
| The fact that our bodies are just now breaking down is really what is amazing, considering the GM-foods, the sugar, the bad fats, and the basically non-edible crap we've all been ingesting for some time now. Our pets even have allergies now...hmmm.
I used to privately mock conspiracy theories until I got into trying to understand agriculture, whole foods and gardening. My college-aged daughter probably dreads my stream of E-mails - but...she's doing a report on either the bee disaster for biology or the "sheeple" experiments going on (I can't figure if we should call them sheeple or peeps - chimera is so ...weird), so she's at least AWARE and taking it in front of the next generation.
The state of our food and our health, along with the health of our dirt and water, just really bothers me. Every day I learn more... |
brigidlily
Lumberton, TX
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
11:34 AM Post #3333315
| There are things I wish I could unlearn. People wonder why children are obese. The food we have available for them was grown with growth hormones! It's scary. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 29, 2007
11:59 AM Post #3333384
| I am looking down the barrel of entering my 70th decade. I don't have any allergies, headaches, or arthritis. I am probably about 15 lbs overweight. I do have a genetic package of high cholesterol, hypertension, and diabetes. A few years ago as a result of severe stess lasting several years, the diabetes escalated to insulin dependence. I have been a vegetarian (essentially macrobiotics) for more than 30 years. I don't smoke. I am now retired, but when I worked I worked outside through heat of day, and during all seasons.
I think the choices we make can keep us healthier. But, we still have to deal with our genetic heretige. It is up to every individual be be informed. But that information not only means being alert and aware of any "conspiracies" out there, but also those from within. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 29, 2007
12:15 PM Post #3333434
| brigid, kids are not obese because of growth hormones. They are obese because they eat high fat, high sugar foods and do NO exercise. Sometimes the answer is very simple and we don't need to look for conspiracies. Parents let kids eat any old crap and let them sit their butts in front of computer games all day. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 29, 2007
12:38 PM Post #3333500
| They, not only eat crap, they eat too much. And then do not move. Portion size: 1 sack of potato chips. 1 whole Whopper burger for one person. The portion size is the container the food comes in. All of this stuff would feed a family of four for a day in the bush. When you are on the move, you could not possible eat this much stuff without getting sick. |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 29, 2007
01:39 PM Post #3333691
| In 1960 my aunt and uncle were in an auto accident. He was killed outright and my aunt hospitalized for several weeks. I was elected to go and stay with their 5 kids aging from 9-16. The boys were so out of control about eating that I put a padlock on the refrigerator door. If not, they'd each eat 3-5 sandwiches between school and dinnertime. That's before TV ads for fast food. Where'd it come from?? |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
02:19 PM Post #3333844
| The science writers at the Chicago Tribune, where I worked for 10 years, said that, no matter what's going on with your metabolism, pituitary gland, thyroid, BGH, whatever, it's THIS SIMPLE:
Your body cannot store something you do not put in your mouth. |
summerkid
Rose Lodge, OR
(Zone 8b)
March 29, 2007
02:32 PM Post #3333904
| But there are so many ways to look at these issues. Think of it this way: A lot of those people suffering from allergies or diabetes, or whatever, would have been weeded out of the gene pool at an early age before the advent of modern medicine.
With asthma, abysmal eyesight & a tendency to get strep throat, I'm one of those who likely would not have survived without penicillin, eyeglasses & steroids. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 29, 2007
02:32 PM Post #3333905
| Absolutely. We were not allowed to have soda, chips or any junk food, except as an occasional treat. We spent virtually all our time outside playing games and sports. I would probably give up my wife before my exercise regimen! |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 29, 2007
02:46 PM Post #3333956
| Victorgardener: I did. 1 husband, for relatively stress free life style. Until another train wreck came along. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 29, 2007
04:32 PM Post #3334322
| Are you referring to another husband??!! |
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)
March 29, 2007
04:49 PM Post #3334419
|
| Quoted: | | Does anyone remember the entire (or mostly entire) US population being bothered by allergies even 15 years ago? |
I suspect the advent of air tight homes, a/c and central heating have a lot of bearing on allergies. This would cause us to lose our bodys' resistance to natural immunities It has been only recently nationwide that a/c is considered standard and not an option on vehicles. I also think that 15 or more years ago, a lot of health problems were not IDd as allergies that they now can identify. |
spot8907
Ida, MI
March 30, 2007
05:57 AM Post #3336079
| Can I mention a key to combatting obesity? GET RID OF THE TV! I did. No longer do I eat just eat. You would be suprised how much effect commercials have on your subconcious even though you think you are aware and they don't affect you. If you have ever gotten hungry after watching a commercial you have been affected and who hasn't done that? Commercials are designed to make you hungry. If you don't go for their product you will go for something else. Even a new car commercial can promote desire, you fight the desire for the new car but then your body says how about a doughnut instead? Its a big trap. Not a conspiracy per se, but that is how commercials work. Get rid of the boob tube and live a happier healthier life! |
darius
So.Appalachian Mtns, VA
(Zone 5b)
March 30, 2007
06:12 AM Post #3336133
| When I moved here last summer, I noticed the kids across the street actually PLAY outside, something active, rather than inside with Nintendo. I guess there is Hope!
I usually watch some TV every night when I go to bed but other than then it's never on, not even for the news. I'm very interested in healthy eating and follow it as much as I can afford. However, I'm still 15 pounds overweight and I'm hoping this year's gardening will help take the weight off my midsection. I can't blame it on TV.
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victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
March 30, 2007
01:26 PM Post #3337517
| If TV is at all responsible, I doubt it's because of subliminal messages. It's just that they're spending too much time being inactive. |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
March 30, 2007
09:12 PM Post #3338765
| One of reasons for increased pollen induces allergies is that there is an exponentially greater amount of pollen in the air due to a trend in urban and suburban landscaping that doesn't practice safe s3x in the garden. Landscapers are replacing female shrubs and trees with male ones so that they don't have to pick up the fruits that fall. This results in a increase in pollen (from the male plants) released into the air, with a decrease in female flowers to catch some of that pollen and keep it out of circulation.
Further info here:
http://www.allergyfree-gardening.com/books.php#garden_sex
http://www.amazon.com/Garden-Other-Propositions-Allergy-Free...
BTW, female flowers produce 2 to 3 times more nectar than male flowers, so the bees and hummingbirds are impacted by this trend as well.
This message was edited Mar 30, 2007 10:14 PM |
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)
March 31, 2007
04:22 AM Post #3339136
| That IS interesting... thanks G_M. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
March 31, 2007
04:38 AM Post #3339165
| How many times have I heard that advice. Be sure you get a MALE because the female ones are sooo nasty! So much for the "balance of nature". |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
April 01, 2007
02:47 PM Post #3344505
| For all of those convinced that medical research is controlled by pharmaceutical companies and is anti - alternatives, etc.:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070327094314.ht... |
Hemental
Waynesboro, MS
(Zone 8a)
April 02, 2007
05:22 AM Post #3346343
| Gloria.70 decades ? Did you come over with Columbus.A few more decades and you will top Methuselah.LOL.
I hope you have a good sense of humor.
I am just now getting around to reading this thread.Been pulling weeds and suffering with my first major pollen sinus infection.
I have never seen so many trees and schrubs blloming at the same time and no rain to wash it away.
Added to say, I passed my 7th decade last Oct.
Charlie
This message was edited Apr 2, 2007 10:14 AM |
spot8907
Ida, MI
April 02, 2007
04:00 PM Post #3348617
| Victor, did you notice the little R in Crataegus Extract WS®1442? That means that it is a PATENTED extract. You put patents on something so ONLY you own the rights to it so you can prevent competition. Anybody want to take a guess at who owns the patent? Lots of biologigical substances are used by the pharmecutical companies, digitalis for example. Somebody isolates an active component, patents the methode of extracting it, and bingo, profits. Something like this is not an alternative to pharmecuticals, its just the pharmecutical companies looking at plants for profit.
Raw opium was used for centuries for pain relief etc. but along came someone who figured out how to isolate the right alkaloids and now we have codein and heroin among others. The average guy can't manufacture his own codein but he can grow his own opium if the government would let him. |
victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)
April 02, 2007
04:15 PM Post #3348657
| So do alternative, natural or herbal treatments mean no one is allowed to make money on it?? Is a company supposed to take a chance and go through the trouble and expense to isolate a compound that shows promise and then GIVE it away? I'm missing something here. So now not only does a treatment have to be natural or non-chemical to be acceptable, but it has to given away for the good of mankind. I guess Whole Foods and GNC, et al, just let you come in and take whatever you want for free. |
spot8907
Ida, MI
April 02, 2007
04:33 PM Post #3348734
| Well your point was that research isn't being controled by pharm cos because here was an article about a natural substance. As you correctly pointed out it takes money to do reasearch and no one is going to put money into something if there isn't profit involved. Gnc is just one of many who make and sell vitamins etc. so there is competition to control the prices. No one owns the rights to saw palmetto or vitamin A. Its when they create a methode of isolating a substance from a natural product and can patent it and remove the competition that HUGE profits can be made. I certainly don't begrudge ANYONE making a decent profit from their labors or investments, its the absolutely INDECENT profits of the pharmecutical industry that I object to. And their lobbying in Washington to keep a stranglhold on the healthcare industry. And the constant presence of their salespeople at the doctors office and and and. These companies arent satisfied with a decent profit, thats what I object to. |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
April 03, 2007
06:56 AM Post #3350573
| victor, perhaps you'll want to read up on bio-piracy. Why should one company reap all the benefits of a medicine to the exclusion of all others when the medicine has been used by many for centuries? A pharm company in Massachusetts tried to patent tumeric about 15 years ago. The traditional practioners had to put up a legal fight and show the existence of ayurvedic literature prescribing tumeric for the particular condition mentioned in the patent to allow us to continue to use it. The fallacy of the randomized double blind placebo trial as the only way to validate a medicine works is what drives up the costs on getting a medicine approved. Did you ever read the 1st chapter from Arden Andersen's book? It is available for a free download. I posted the link awhile back.
Note also that the pharma companies are the producers of many of the vitamins and minerals that are used in many the of supplements. One Swiss pharma company that manufactures most of the ascobic acid (a form of vit C) continually denied the effectiveness of vit C until they could hike their prices tenfold, then they published the studies validating its effectiveness.
I don't think anyone objects to companies making a profit. The objection is the underhanded way in which it is being done. Fortunately a number of pharm patents from bio-pirated knowledge have been, and continue to be overturned. These are thefts of trade secrets. The fact that the trade is that of a native healer is irrelevant.
The other problem with the "patented extracts" is that isolating what the lab scientist calls the "active compounds" can makes the product less effective and often downright dangerous. Many of today's prescription drugs started out from plant based materials and the active compounds were then synthesized. The natural balance that was present in the original plant is now lost. There are no clinics needed around the world to assist with addiction to valerian. There are many to deal with valium addiction.
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bermudakiller
Union Grove, AL
November 07, 2007
09:15 PM Post #4169421
| hey Guys, I'm new to this thread, I know a bit about herbs and a lot about allergies. Recent tests have shown that massive doses of B-12 helps seasonal allergies, Sublingual liquid in a B complex is the best form for absorption from what i have read, I am allergic to all of those i could find but a plain B-12 tablet, rexall brand, from Dollar General has helped both my pollen allergies and my milder food allergies, haven't yet tried on the serious ones, frankly I'm chicken.
I have used a neti pot for years, my mix is 1/2 baking soda and 1/2 Kosher salt, any salt will do but I'm allergic to most salt additives, 1 level teaspoon to a quart of warm water. No burning at all at this solution and strength. If the drowning effect bothers you, I took a 1 liter bottle, cut off the end, leaving about 1/3 attached to the top, makes a great snorkel. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
November 08, 2007
08:26 AM Post #4170659
| bermudakiller: I never thought of using a snorkel with a neti pot! I don't quite get how you use it though. |
bermudakiller
Union Grove, AL
November 08, 2007
08:00 PM Post #4173200
| Gloria,OK, it is not elegent but usable, not in front of the kids unless you want tales about nutty grandma to haunt you rest of your life.Take a 1 liter bottle or any size plastic bottle you wish, cut the bottom out of it forming a tube, put the opening that you would normaly drink out of in your mouth, then position the neti pot in one nostril, and pour, water runs out of other nostril ( you can manipulate that by tilting you head and to flush back sinus by holding one nostril closed while pouring in the other). The water in any case flows around the bottle and you can breath through the other opening that you got when you cut the botlte in two. Hope this helps and isn't even more confusing. |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
November 08, 2007
08:05 PM Post #4173222
| I guess Ill have to try it. I don't have any grandchildren. Just dogs. And they are used to me being nutty. |
bermudakiller
Union Grove, AL
November 09, 2007
08:39 AM Post #4174771
| One more thing that helps on clean up, either lean way over the sink or do it in the shower, stuff goes everywhere if you aren't careful, course i have a 'stach and that makes a difference. I use the sink when I get into something I need to rinse out quickly or the shower just beforeIi soap up if it is normal everyday.
Well the dogs may get a laugh out of this one :)
I showed this to an old roommate and the snickers could be heard for miles |
garden_mermaid
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)
November 12, 2007
03:01 AM Post #4184513
| Vitamin B-12 deficiency is very common among those eating a SAD (Standard American Diet), so sublingual supplementation can be a great help. B-12 in the methycobalamin form is considered most effective sublingually as long as one doesn't have any amalgam fillings. If you have any amalgam (and thus mercury) in your mouth, the hydroxycobalamin form of B-12 would be preferred. It is thought that supplementation with methylcobalamin in the presence of mercury amalgam could lead to the formation of methyl mercury in the mouth.
Neti pots are wonderful indeed. I'd hate to be without one. |
mametcalf
Genesee Twp, MI
(Zone 5b)
July 19, 2008
10:01 PM Post #5288040
| Hemental:
How is the Edible Wild Plant book?
We live in Michigan and my husband mentioned that if one could make a living growing weeds, we would be set for life (referring to our frustrations with the vegetable garden). His comment got me thinking and I have been looking up many of the plants that we consider garden weeds and am pleasantly surprised at how many are either edible or useful in other capacities. It is slow-going, however. There do not seem to be many reliable resources on this subject. Or at least not many that I have managed to find. Any leads would be most helpful and greatly appreciated! |
gloria125
Greensboro, AL
July 19, 2008
11:44 PM Post #5288656
| Do you know wildmanstevebrill???
http://wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Purslane.html |
zhinu
(Laura) Olympia, WA
(Zone 8a)
July 20, 2008
12:15 AM Post #5288812
| You Guys might be interested in checking out this if you haven't already http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/874913/ |
mametcalf
Genesee Twp, MI
(Zone 5b)
July 20, 2008
12:26 AM Post #5288845
| Thank you, Gloria125. I was not familiar with the Wildman. I am a teacher and have taught middle school science in the past. This link is one I may be able to someday use with students - will definitely use it myself and with my kids! |
Mona21
canada
Palau
May 28, 2009
02:33 AM Post #6608131
| This link seemed pretty informative...
http://allnutri.com/bid500/nutricology.aspx
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gloria125
Greensboro, AL
May 28, 2009
07:10 AM Post #6608343
| Looks like an advertisement to me. |
