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Heucheras and Friends: Mukdenias (Heuchera Cousins)

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willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

March 25, 2007
12:23 AM

Post #3317351

I purchased this Mukdenia, a Terra Nova introduction of a Heuchera cousin (see Terra Nova image below) last summer and am looking forward to enjoying it this season. Believe it or not, these are hardy to zone 4. I just noticed on the web, a new Mukdenia variety that looks even more stunning. Here is the link: http://www.cnb.nl/greenteam/newplants/cultivars/np303.htm. Is anyone else growing Mukdenias along side their Heucheras?

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willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

March 25, 2007
12:26 AM

Post #3317358

Something went wrong with that link. Here is the correct link to M. rossii 'Karasuba' that I mentioned above: http://www.cnb.nl/greenteam/newplants/cultivars/np303.htm
baja220
Tulsa, OK
(Zone 6b)

March 26, 2007
8:16 AM

Post #3321134

I was gonna get some in the co-op that was supposed to be after the co-op that went south last summer. LOL I love to have a few. Where did you get yours?

Debbie
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

March 26, 2007
12:27 PM

Post #3321906

Ironically, on the $1 clearance rack at our local nursery. The employees said it wouldn't grow in our zone (5b). I guess they had been telling everyone that so nobody wanted to spend the $12 for an annual. For some reason the zone wasn't listed on the Terra Nova tag. I'm sure that would have helped sales.
GardenGeek_WI
Central, WI
(Zone 4a)

March 29, 2007
4:47 PM

Post #3333516

I will have to look for some of those, they are nice looking that's for sure.
ozarkian
Gravois Mills, MO
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2007
7:37 AM

Post #3335624

I heard this plant is a ground cover. Makes me wonder about controling it.
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

March 30, 2007
8:46 AM

Post #3335824

I've had it one year in very good soil and it has spread only about 6 inches. It seems rather slow. I also noticed that TerraNova's wholesale literature has it listed as a moderate to slow grower.
RDT
Crossville, TN
(Zone 6b)

March 30, 2007
5:54 PM

Post #3337599

I love the color. Keep us posted on how it does. Especially if it keeps it color. Linda
Joan
Belfield, ND
(Zone 4a)



March 30, 2007
5:59 PM

Post #3337608

Has anyone found a place to purchase these that isn't wholesale only?
rcn48
Lexington, VA
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2007
3:30 AM

Post #3338907

Joan, I found 'Karasuba' on Asiatica's website http://asiaticanursery.com/product_info.php/products_id/391?osCsid=a7881cbbc22596fe5119ec5aecc5e995

Debbie
Joan
Belfield, ND
(Zone 4a)



March 31, 2007
11:07 AM

Post #3339599

Thanks Debbie. I've got it in the shopping cart, but I'm still rationalizing the need to spend $22 for it before I checkout. :)
rcn48
Lexington, VA
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2007
3:15 AM

Post #3342200

LOL, I know the feeling, my 'shopping cart' is still empty but someone keeps wanting to throw in the Aralia 'Sun King' http://asiaticanursery.com/product_info.php/products_id/1376?osCsid=a7881cbbc22596fe5119ec5aecc5e995 that happened to show up on the same page as the Mukdenia. We have the native Spikenard growing in our gardens and it's magnificent - always on the lookout for more bright yellow plants to 'glow' in the shade - but $35.00 is a little steep :(
DMurray407
Buffalo, MN
(Zone 4a)

April 11, 2007
10:52 AM

Post #3378921

I don't know if anyone is interested, but Busse Gardens ((www.bussegardens.com) has Mukdenia rossii 'Crimson Fans' on the back cover of the 2007 catalog. It's $14.
Deb
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

September 19, 2007
2:20 PM

Post #3992804

Hey, I tried doing some division early this summer, and had pretty good success. Any one interested in trading Mukdenia 'Crimson Fans' aka 'Karasuba' for named Hostas, Heucheras or other tidy foliage plants hardy to Z5 let me know. The starts are small (probably what you would get in a 3-4" pot), but they are well-rooted and healthy.

Note: I've read in several places that 'Crimson Fans' & 'Karasuba' are the same variety, they just have different names for their respective languages.
baja220
Tulsa, OK
(Zone 6b)

September 20, 2007
8:26 AM

Post #3996123

I'm interested in trading!!!! Do you wanna do it now or wait till spring?
I have tons of hostas to choose from.

Debbie
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

October 22, 2007
12:21 AM

Post #4108559

Great plant. I first saw it on Terra Nova. I'd love to find it locally but seem too stuck in the garden to go looking.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

October 24, 2007
3:35 PM

Post #4118450

I would be interested in trading willmetge, you have dmail :)
Lea
shokami2
Coos Bay, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 14, 2008
5:24 AM

Post #4805623

hi...
dont know if this will show up, but do you have anymore of that beautiful plant left? mukdenia... would love some
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

July 22, 2008
9:53 PM

Post #5303434

Yes, I'd like to know how to get it, the nursery you got it in. I live in Eastern Wa. I'd like to give it a shot.

Crazy
fleur_guy
Parma, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 23, 2008
5:38 PM

Post #5307801

One source has it that the difference between Mukdenia 'Crimson Fans'
and Mukdenia 'Crimson Fans' (Karasuba) is that the Karasuba cultivar
colors up after flowering until fall. The species doesn't color up until
fall. So I guess it depends on how bad you want to see the red color-
ing = $$$
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

July 23, 2008
11:37 PM

Post #5309371

Crazy4plants,

If you live here in Spokane (I'm in the Valley not far from the Argonne exit), you would be welcome to stop by and I can give you a start, ...or maybe we could do a trade. Dmail me if you are interested.

Will
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

July 23, 2008
11:44 PM

Post #5309394

I'd like the red foliage. I'd sure like to know where to get this locally here.

Crazy
Potagere

July 24, 2008
7:45 PM

Post #5313414

Hey, willmetge, you promised to get back to me on DMail. Still going to be in Spokane about 15 September (and also, just blocks from the Argonne exit (altho we use Broadway coming from the west) and I'd still like to do a trade.

~crazy: any chance I can come see your heucheras then?

Potagere
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

July 25, 2008
12:43 AM

Post #5314999

If I'm in town, sure. I just don't know where I will be right now. There is a chance we will be traveling in mid Sept, so just keep in touch.

Crazy
Potagere

July 25, 2008
11:05 PM

Post #5319657

Well, we'll be there for about 3-4 weeks on home leave.
But, if you prefer to stay "anonymous", I can understand.

It's just weird for me to talk to someone from my hometown who is always on the same DG threads but whom I cannot meet.

Hope your "summer weather" is more "summery" than ours!

Potagere
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

July 26, 2008
1:49 AM

Post #5320416

I didnt' realize you'd be here for that long of a period. I'm sure we could get together. My kids are going to be visiting us for a month mid August to mid Sept and then we are going to try and take a week for fall color some time after that. But if you are here for that long, let's try and get together. I've never met anyone from DG before.

Crazy
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

July 26, 2008
3:05 AM

Post #5320782

crazy4plants,

Are you refering to me or to Potagere? I live here in Spokane Valley as my permenant residence. I think Potagere is planning on visiting this Fall.
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

July 31, 2008
7:49 AM

Post #5347374

Willmetge, I'd like to do a swap with you. Not right now because it is so warm and not sure the starts would do well. What do you think? Maybe later in the fall? I'll see Potagere in the fall.

Crazy
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

July 31, 2008
4:38 PM

Post #5348891

Sure. I'm planning to do a couple of divisions with this cooler weather we've been having...so this fall they should be pretty established and ready for transplanting...just let me know when you are ready.

Will
fancyvan
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

August 18, 2008
4:31 PM

Post #5431034

I just picked up a Mukdenia Karasuba at a local greenhouse. Dont think it is reliably hardy here but would like to try as I have lots of shade and it looks like a gorgeous plant. Would be interested to know if anybody in zone 4 is growing it since that is the closest to my zone. Guess I will have to gve it some winter protection .
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

August 18, 2008
5:04 PM

Post #5431228

Terra nova nurseries lists it as hardy to zone 4. http://www.terranovanurseries.com/wholesale/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=201
fancyvan
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

August 18, 2008
5:46 PM

Post #5431390

Yes thanks I know -just looking for anybody growing it in a lower zone.
altagardener
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3b)

August 29, 2008
10:43 PM

Post #5484529

I've grown Mukdenia rossii in zone 3 without winter protection (or reliable snow cover, for that matter) for several years now.
fancyvan
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

August 30, 2008
12:44 AM

Post #5485020

Great! Thanks!
moretz
hickory, NC
(Zone 7a)

September 2, 2008
3:01 AM

Post #5496903

willmetge
do you have any of these for trade? if so what are you looking for plmk and thxs
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

September 2, 2008
3:55 PM

Post #5498466

I don't have any at the moment. I only have my original clump. I just got a mist-propagation system set up over the Labor Day weekend, so I'm planning to take cuttings in the near future.
moretz
hickory, NC
(Zone 7a)

September 2, 2008
8:35 PM

Post #5499546

cool plmk when/if you have any for trade and what you wanted in a trade thxs
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

September 29, 2008
7:36 PM

Post #5614019

I ordered six plants online so I'm into them for 60 bucks. I sure hope I like them. I had to look all over the place. Should get them in mid October.

Crazy.
AnnLetters
Fenton, MO
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2009
1:11 AM

Post #6429963

Now that it's spring again, have several that have participated in this thread had the Mukdenia Karasuba over winter? If so, did it survive in good shape? I'm in zone 6a and couldn't find it locally last summer. Hopefully, that's simply because it's a fairly recent introduction in the last couple of years.

Thanks for any info and tips about it.
Ann
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2009
5:30 AM

Post #6430859

I'm on my third year (zone 5) and the clump is larger than ever. Right now it is still almost completely dormant. I can see some very small reddish tips. I should note that it emerges pretty late compared to my other perennials...in fact, it is usually one of the last. I think that TerraNova Nurseries lists it as hardy to zone 3 or 4 so it should do well in zone 6.
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

April 23, 2009
9:47 PM

Post #6453788

I'm zone 5. I only marked three of the ones I planted and they are emerging. In two areas close by, I have these lovely burgendy leaves emerging and they are bigger than the tiny plants that I tagged so I'm not sure what is what. One of them has done nothing at all and I actually moved it out of the area it was in. All I got was a bulb, not a plant as promised. They are expensive and hard to find. I got mine online last fall.
fancyvan
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

April 30, 2009
5:58 PM

Post #6484516

Im not absolutely certain because I put it in last summer so Ive never seen it come up before but - I think this is my Mukdenia. Its in the right place but this was a newly refurbished area last summer and - sigh - I cannot entirely remember what I planted there! Markers would help wouldnt they!

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Weerobin
Saint Louis, MO
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2009
12:54 PM

Post #6487962

My Mukdenias are up and at 'em.
I have tried to get Mukdenia established over the years and it's been difficult.
I presume I've planted 8-10 plants over past 5 years and all I have to show for it now is 4 plants.
One looks really good, the others are smaller but look promising.
2 of the small ones are Karasuba.
I had heard Mukdenia doesn't do well in areas of high humidity,
so I'm pleased to have some survivors.
I'd be more pleased, of course, if they looked happy.
Anyone out there w/ Mukdenia success stories in humid summer areas?
crazy4plants
Spokane, WA

May 17, 2009
5:37 PM

Post #6560479

Well, those burgendy leaves I saw were the ligularias I planted last year and forgot about. I do now have five out of six of the Mukdemias that I planted coming up. They each have one leaf on them. The six and final one I found the bulb and it had a little green bud on it but it was upside down so I replanted it and am watching it. I know I need to move them as they are in too much competition with creeping Jenny. How much sun can they take? Anyone here know?

Crazy
fancyvan
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 21, 2009
6:43 PM

Post #6579671

Here is my Mukdenia today ( at least I assume it is!)We are still having cold spring weather - frost again last night so a lot of plants are pretty slow.

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willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

May 21, 2009
7:02 PM

Post #6579733

That is definately Mukdenia! They seem to be one of the latest to emerge.
TheAngelGirl
Coushatta, LA

July 17, 2009
5:02 AM

Post #6829577

Willmetge,that is a beautiful plant.It would be a very nice pot plant for your house at Christmas time because of the colors.
willmetge
Spokane, WA
(Zone 5b)

March 13, 2010
9:20 AM

Post #7625943

I was able to obtain a half- flat of these (36 plants)!...I don't need them all. Email me at stripslashes((strlen('willmetge')>0?'willmetge@yahoo.com':'willmetge@yahoo.com')) (I don't check my D-mail very often) if you are interested. My cost was $3.90 ea (can you believe it!)...I would much appreciate voluntary compensation for my costs plus shipping, but per DG rules this is not necessary.
catbirdsue
Arnett, WV
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2010
11:13 PM

Post #7720140

I woyld love some do you have any left?
nutsaboutnature
Algonquin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 13, 2010
7:44 AM

Post #7789423

Hi everyone,
I just discovered this thread & was intrigued by the Mukdenia in the first photo.

If anyone is still watching this thread & still interested in the Mukdenia, I found a couple of sources that, apparently, still have them available (both are listed in Garden Watchdog with good reviews).

1) Great Garden Plants

http://www.greatgardenplants.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=294

2) In The Country Garden & Gifts (Watchdog Top 5 for Pond & Wetland Plants)

http://www.inthecountrygardenandgifts.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=520


At least one is the Karasuba variety, but I think they're still beautiful, even if the red starts after flowering.

I'm so glad I discovered this thread. I had never even heard of a Mukdenia, but I love Hostas & Heucheras so I think this is something I'm going to have to add to my garden.

Eleven

Eleven
Royal Oak, MI
(Zone 6a)

August 8, 2011
10:07 AM

Post #8744279

nuts, I'm also glad I discovered this thread, even though I'm more than a year late! I've been stopping by one of my favorite local nurseries (Telly's in Troy) to watch the planted get marked down. On my way to the hostas, I keep seeing this "Mudkenia" thing and wondering why I've never heard of it. They looked interesting but unknown (scary, LOL). Anyway, now I can hope they get a price reduction soon =)
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 16, 2011
7:29 PM

Post #8760384

Weerobin I live in a very humid area and mine are fine this is the first year for them to come out of their pots I got them last spring a year ago and over wintered them in pots. I still have one in a pot not sure where I want to plant it yet I have it in morning sun until about 1:00 and the others are in morning sun till about 11:00 then dappled the rest of the day till late afternoon all look really healthy I plan on planting the one in the pot this fall or maybe sooner if the weather still holds it's cooled off a bit here and they said the humidity wouldn't be so bad the rest of the summer not a for sure thang just a prediction lol

We had humidity that you could cut with a knife from spring till about the end of July this year usually it's until the end of Aug. at least.

They aren't crowded though I have about two foot space in between them I planted mine with astilbes and Heucheras but the Mukdenias are about a foot from lady ferns and a bradford fern so I know they probably don't get much air unless the wind is blowing pretty good it didn't happen much until here lately, we had very calm, high humidity days.

I say 'them' I only have three lol There just wasn't much out there about growing conditions that I was afraid to get anymore these were trial plants. I'm still wondering how they are going to multiply if it be fast or slow, I left them plenty of room just incase. I'll let everyone know when they come up in the spring how they do I still need to get out there and label a lot of thangs just hope I get it done so I'm not hunting them down lol

The bed I have them in stays nice and moist most of the time but the ground did crack when we were having a drought so I did keep them watered I really want to see the leaves on them this fall!

Can't believe this thread is still going but that's nice so we can keep up with them and their progress :)

Thanks Pirl :)
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

August 17, 2011
5:08 AM

Post #8760841

Nice to hear that yours are doing well, Lea. All of mine died even though they were in light dappled shade, the same as astilbe, hostas, ferns and heucheras.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

August 18, 2011
6:03 PM

Post #8763707

Mine did excellent this year, and spread slightly. Slightly. But they were beautiful. Then when we got the drought, they got a little crispy around the edges. But they are very pretty.

I think it's worth adding to your garden.
coach1360
Montreal
Canada

August 22, 2011
5:23 PM

Post #8771762

I planted mine 3 years ago, its slow growing. Its beautiful when flowering but it never got the multi color hues I saw in pictures, its goes a dirty looking greenish yellow beurkkkkk...maybe something in my soil????

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 23, 2011
9:47 AM

Post #8772867

Well I'm looking forward to them turning red this fall I just hope they do...I think I have them where they will we shall see I'll let everyone know :)

I've never done a soil test coach but think my soil is mostly akaline or it was I've been amending it for years with compost but it was that blaw yellow clay there to begin with. I always plant with compost too plenty of it then top it off with compost.
coach1360
Montreal
Canada

August 23, 2011
4:38 PM

Post #8773539

thanks you leBug, I make my compost and I spread it all over, in the fall I collect the bags of leaves from my neighborhood and spread that too on my fl beds.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 13, 2012
7:54 PM

Post #9081649

Well my Mukdenias just barely turned red last fall surely they are getting enough sun would that matter they get morning sun until about 11 then dappled sun after that I was kind of disappointed I must say.

This year we had a warm winter so not sure when they came up just noticed them about a month ago and they were about 3" high. Now they are all out and looking beautiful I love the leaves on them they are about 3" around and have spread about 3" this year so I was pleased :) They were potted up for a year from plugs, next year put in the ground so this is their third year. The blooms to the flowers were even bigger this year and looked really nice next to the foliage.

I still have one in a pot and the way the weather has been I think that one is confused it's in more sun (unprotected) and really pretty but we just had a freeze a couple of nights ago and guess what? The leaves turned red LOL Yes they did :) The ones in the ground in more shade (under Holly tree so protected) didn't or maybe it was the frost we had this week too our weather is really crazy here this year 80 one day and 40 the next the temps just keep going up and down. My shade garden is beautiful right now though none of the plants seem to mind the cold temps. except for a few ferns that I didn't know to cover from the frost. I soo wish I had a camera :(

coach, I collect leaves from all the neighbor's too can't believe they go out and buy compost and burn their leaves or take them to the landfill such a waste! Can't put leaves on flower beds though vole problems I've lost a couple of hostas to them.

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