I think that most of us are pretty pleased with how our WS turned out this year, especially those of us who tried it for the first time. Some of my containers had 100% germination (I kept track of how many seeds were in each container), others had very little, and some had none. What are some of the ones that did not do well for you (as of yet)? I had had no germination of any columbines (3 different seed packets...even different brands), only 1 sweet pea seed out of 20 (the rest rotted), allium cernuum (5 containers...no germ...although I did read that germ is irregular and can take months). I also had several containers where only 1 seed out of 5 germ...I'll have to check my chart to see specifically which ones. Tamara
since i'm out of town right now, i cant check my containers or my "sheets" til tomorrow... but one thing i know did not germinate is the Bean Vines I had. 5 seeds = 5 moldy seeds. total failure... i soaked them as i read to do... and the beans molded.
but -- i do think that was the only thing that did not germinate for me... some things are not doing well, but they sprouted.
I didn't keep track of how many seed I sowed - just containers.
So far, nothing from -
Agapanthus - white and blue
2 kinds of Delphinium
Blue Hibiscus (four others germinated and these were old seed)
Hollyhock double pink (four others germinated)
one rudbeckia (three others germinated)
Allium Heavenly Blue
I'm just leaving them be while I plant out everything else.
Here is my list of things that didn't germinate-
First off, although I got at leaste one seed to germinate, out of all the Columbine seeds I planted (almost the whole pack) I only have ONE seedling. I planted Lupines as well, and only two of those are up- and one is WAY smaller than the other.
Of my other types of seeds, most of which were pretty hardy stuff- the only things I don't have germination in are the Orlaya Grandiflora and the Bells of Ireland.
I was kind of chicken in my winter sowing, since it was my first year of it- so I did a lot of things that I have found to be hardy, like Zinnias, Bachelor Buttons and Marigolds.
But overall, this winter sowing was a great success for me- I ended up with at least 4 or 5 of almost everything I planted, as well as a bazillion Bachelor Buttons and Marigolds- for next year I will definitely have to wintersow less of those LOL.
Tamara I was thinking the same thing about the marigolds. I had saved so many seeds that I planted (and replanted) them like crazy. I FINALLY got about a dozen of them going inside but none of my WS containers sprouted.
Here's my No-Go List:
Sugar Snap Peas (I suspect mine rotted as well...note to self: more drainage holes next year)
Chinese Foxglove (Ebay seed...the seed I saved from my own foxglove came up like a chia pet)
Bells of Ireland
My W/S failures are: 2 out of 3 columbines containers did not germinate, along with the poppies both CA and Flanders Field, Yet the poppies sown on the snow germinated. Other non germinating are orange globe amanranthus,heliopsis helanthoides, balloon flowers, dames rocket and most of the larkspur with only 4 seedlings transplanted out. However, I am very happy with my W/Sing results and definitely will W/S next year.
That is so funny about the Marigolds- I'll definitely not need to sow any of those in my spring sowing- I think I have 10 or 20 of five types!
And the Bells of Ireland too- I haven't had any luck with mine yet. We'll see if they come up for us with the warmer weather and hotter sun.
Echinacea I didn't wintersow, but I started indoors- they are doing quite well in an aluminum baking pan, and are working on their second set of true leaves. I am really impressed with their steady growth, and while so many of my indoor starts got leggy, the Echinacea are nice and stout!
Mine are up Tamara! The Bells of Ireland that is. Actually they were up when I posted yesterday, but my dear brother moved my containers one day last week and a couple of the tops got mixed up (another note to self: label the bottoms as well as the tops next year). I too have heard that they're difficult to get started, but last year I started them in the house with no problem and now I've got them in my WS container as well. Maybe I'm just lucky?
Green Apples is the only aquilegia that hasn't sprouted for me.
Clethra alnifolia "hummingbird"
achillea "Coronation Gold"
rudbeckia "Golden Glow"
couple types of bee balm
astrantia "Rose Symphony" (I've heard it's hard)
redbud (can be feisty)
pyrethrum "James Kelway"
Sounds like a terrible list, but I already have 61 containers sprouted, and some others that haven't been planted long enough to sprout. I'm sure some of these will eventually come through.
And the Bells of Ireland are laughing at me as well- today I found a few of them have germinated, although at this point they're just the tiniest of sprouts poking out of the seed hulls. Grow guys grow!!!
This is a germination update I journaled last week; will need updated this week, but too rainy today. The first half of the list shows # which is a label and the count of sprouts. The second half show just a number which is the count. I have done poorly with Sweet Peas, and my Columbine is also slow; but it is slow germinating inside also--but is now germinating. The convolvulus has done poor also, as well as larkspur, and others...
-still only 1 Convolvulus Flash
-8 Convolvulus Enchantment, 6 very wilted ones
-6 Gentian Blue in 2 peat pots, none in pellets which were moved from inside
-a few each of Northstar and Fruit Basket Pepper, just emerging in juice container #26
#3 4 Bachelor Buttons from 35 seeds, 1st set of leaves
#4 No Mammoth Choice Sweet Pea
#5 No Persian Coneflower
#6 1 Everlasting Pea and 1 emerging
#7 8 Beebalm, very small
#8 8 Coneflower, some emerging
#9 2 Hollyhock C. Rosy Red, small
#10 3 Hollyhock C. Yellow, small
#11 10 Hollyhock C.Blush, larger
#12 No Cupids Dart (15 seeds)
#13 No Aubrieta Whitewall Gem
#14 No Flax, Coffee Mate Canister
#16 milk jug, lof of herbs, German Chamomile, RedowskiTerragon, Corriander/Cilantro, Marjoram
#19 No Summer Blues Larkspur
#24 5 tomato Roma
1 tomato Keepsake
8 Big Boy
a few dead tomato seedlings
-32 Cherry Blossom Viscaria, small
-Sweet Peas - 5 diff., only one sprout - Appleblossom
-5 only Lavatera White Chrub in sq. peat pots
-Lots of Mountain Phlox
-Lots of Snapdragons, Black Prince
-20 Malope Glacier Fruits, about half
-11 English Daisy White Ball ermerged
-No Blue Star Laurentia
-27 Cosmos Little Princess, 1st set of real leaves beginning
-4 Shasta Silver Princess just emerged
-2 Dianthus Pinks Brilliant just emerged
-Lots of Arugula, has1st set of leaves
-No Pepper Fruit Basket or Pepper Northstar with Arugula from 3/15 in sm HD tub
-Lots of Thyme
-No Aubrieta Whitewall Gem
-16 Wild Parsley
-17 Moss Parsley
-1 Lupine Pixie
-1 seedling (of the three diff. Columbines)
thanks for the b'day wishes, folks! I am the gram half of grampapa (aka jan). my dgd's are 18 and almost 13. these girls are the light of my life. I should say I was a very young grandma...39 when the first was born. so I'm not quite as old as it sounds. and I am officially retiring in a few weeks which is also very exciting because it leaves me free to play in the dirt ;0)
today is supposed to be a warm sunny day...hoping for more germination!
thanks much, Lala. I did have a wonderful day. In fact, I celebrated all weekend!
and I've finally got a seedling on the SEA HOLLY :0) I followed the directions and had it in my fridge and on top of a warm lamp, etc because I didn't know if the wintersowing would provide it the range of temps it would need.
also saw some babies in the iceplant jug. there may be others
[quote]Soak the seeds from 24-72 hours, then carefully peel off the seed's shell. Plant the seed at a depth of about twice its thickness. If you're germinating the seeds in the winter, use a heating pad as I've described in the general growing tips. If you're germinating them during the summer, choose a relatively cool spot. They like the soil to be around 70-72 F. Seeds can take 1-8 weeks to germinate.
well, my wave petunias will never germinate now... yesterday in the high winds -- that was the only one that blew away *sigh* i still had hope for them until i saw the container not where it should be... and potting soil everywhere... oh well.
I started my datura inside (cheating for this thread I know, but I really wanted them). I planted 3 containers with 2 seeds each and have 4 seedlings with their true leaves.
As for what hasn't germinated in my winter sown collection;
black eyed susan...also so disappointed
hollyhock...they were old seeds
campanula "white bell"
scabiosa "butterfly blue"
Out of about 65 varieties...this is all I don't have seedlings from...yet! Since it's been such a weird spring I haven't given up hope.
I ended up getting one columbine seedling which bit the dust when I missed 1 day of watering. grrrr... In fact, out of 70-80 containers, I had at least 25-30 that no germination or just 1 seedling. To clarify, there weren't 70-80 different types of plants...I had several containers of the same seed and some of them are known to germinate erratically. Others, though, are supposedly easy and I still didn't have much luck...especially with those sown in January. Tamara
Overall I had lower germination this year than last. Some seeds were several years old- like gazania, 2 jugs, no germination. Same with Bells of Ireland- old seeds, only 3 seedlings from 2 jugs. Cleome sparkler, fresh seeds, produced only 3 seedlings and the creature from hell ate one of those after planting out. Gaillardia goblin- a couple year old seeds, 0 germination. Gaillardia burgundy, 3 seedlings, and the creature ate one of those too. Platycodon only 1 seedling, fresh seeds. Echinacea fresh seeds, only a few seedlings (2 magnus, 1 doppelganger). No germination on salvia patens, fresh seeds from T&M, but excellent germination on coral nymph and Yvonne's salvia. I'm afraid to plant them out for fear of the creature destroying those, too. I had low germination, but did get a few, from Park's hotline salvia blue and red.
I think the weather this year has been a real limiting factor.
The creature from hell visits my garden every night. It has eaten so many things- 1 of my 2 burgundy gaillardia, a gaillardia goblin, one of only 3 cleome, many of the zinnia, some blue flax, larkspur, catchfly, I've lost track. Most mornings I discover the damage. With some zinnia, a 3 or 4 inch seedling just completely vanished, roots and all. I'm blaming this on maybe a rabbit, but I honestly don't know.
He, or some other creature also digs holes, sometimes unearthing plants and leaving them on top of soil. Sometimes there is no plant involved- just a hole. I don't think rabbits do that. I'm really frustrated and discouraged. And I'm not quite through planting out.
I keep sprinkling blood meal. I've also put out nearly 2 POUNDS of cayenne. Yes, I meant pounds.
Sounds like the raccoon I just caught today in a Have-a-heart type trap and relocated. Every morning my pots on the deck were emptied, the new plants in the yard were dug up, and my winter sowing was dumped. I had been hulliing everything in the garage at night--too much work!!! Between the raccoons dumping and the groundhogs eating, I am beginning to wonder if it is worth the effort...
Looking back, I had a few that just did not germinate
others did not germinate, but it was due to the seeds molding, or the fact that I soaked the seeds and probably should not have. Those were Morning Glories. and other seeds that just molded were, Sunflowers and a Bean Vine.
I did Datura last year and got about 2/3 germ.-I did not WS, in May I just put the seeds where I wanted them, covered lightly w/ soil and made sure they got A LOT of water-it took about 3-4 weeks, but then they were ther. After they were about 10" high, they jsut grew like weeds-just an FYI in case it helps anyone...I didn't do all that other stuff!! They were the easiest thing I grew!! Also, I put them in about Mother's Day and in a place that got about 75% sun during the course of the day!!
I haven't had any datura or columbines come up either. I have about 1000 bachelor buttons too and marigold too.
A lot of things won't come up because too many stupid things have happened. The dog dragging milk jugs all over the yard, me knocking them over, etc, etc. So most of my non germinating will be my own fault!!
I lost my wave petunias too because as I was taking them outside I dropped the container. I'm sure I'll have them coming up, but in all the wrong places.
you know what irked me. I planted a bunch of hollyhocks, some I bought and some I traded for. the ones I traded for all germinated great. nothing on the bought seeds. I wintersowed them...all the same.
Yes, those southerners do like to show off at this time of year, don't they!
As an update on my above reports of poor germination:
Echinacea: can take a long time and I get sick of falling over milk jugs, eventually dumping ungerminated ones into my garden beds. After dumping echinacea last year, I had 3 more pop up in a flower bed. Since I sowed both double decker and magnus, I don't know yet what kind they are. So I got a total of 6 new echinacea last year.
Also, I did eventually get a few amaranthus perfecta, cleome sparkler, columbine origami (far less germination on origami than McKana's the year before). The balloon flowers never did germinate and only 2 burgundy gaillardia.
Gaillardia, though I love them, don't like me. It remains my true booger plant. I get very poor germination. If I can get them to germinate, they're beautiful for one summer, but rarely survive winter. I don't think they like my wet clay in winter time.
LOL at Karen's booger plant. These are mine, too. I have heavy clay soil and I assume that's the problem here. I treat them like annuals now. It's very disappointing because I love the shade of the burgundy.
Isn't it funny how different everyone's germination can be? I am not sowing any echinacea this year because the last two years I did I got so much germination I can't even give them away anymore. Cleome and balloon flowers were also great for me. However, I got zero on liatris, 2 seedlings of delphinium and maybe 3 or 4 of salvia. Guess which ones I really wanted?
i have the Burgandy Gaillardia. Echinacea germinated OK for me last year, so they should bloom this summer [ i did get 1 flower last year] I also now have Cleome and balloon flower... so we shall see how they all do for me. Where i'm planting is old corn fields, so it's not the clay, like i have around my house.
and the ironic thing is... where my house is, used to be corn fields ... and of course they scrape the good soil away and leave the crap clay.
Sometimes the seed itself is undoubtedly the problem, too. Like I said common cleome germinated fine, sparkler series was poor. Zilch on ballon flowers, so I'm going to try later this year. It's new seed, from a different trader.
As of this morning, one of my 2 burgundy gaillardias still shows some sign of green, the other looks dead.
You might still get some of the first seeds germnating along with the new ones. If you want, you can save the soil from non-sprouters and use it for other things; I use it to top up container plants, pot up new plants, amend the icky soil in my neighbor's flower bed that I've taken over. (It does lead to some volunteers in interesting places, but I like surprises.)
I just dump the entire contents into a flower bed. Sometimes you get nice surprises a short time later. I got 3 of my echinacea that way, tons of cosmos, emilia, some zinnias, lots of things. I also dump into beds any small amount of potting mix left in the jug after plantout. Some of them come up soon thereafter. They make for a nice surprise some mornings.
That is actually happening somehow to some of the plants in the little jiffy cups under a light. I noticed 2 different plants coming up in some of them. Either the seeds flew around or I put seeds in not realizing I had already put something else!! Oh woe is me. It's okay, don't feel bad for me. I'll be okay, (having my little pity party)
Oh, that's happened too. Probably the ones with two are because I put seed in, forgot, then put a different one in. Oh well, it'll all come out in the was, or flowerbed!!! We never said we didn't screw up , did we?