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Tir_Na_Nog
April 26, 2007
7:19 AM Post #3432881
| What does your entry way look like? Mine is currently just a white space with cream tile that I'll re-do eventually. But for now I have no specific style or theme desired in my entry. I normally don't go for oak colored wood but it's a new banister so I put the only 2 oak things I have in there now...a wall clock next to the stair (not pictured) and that hallway leading off has a painting in an oak frame.
Any ideas or paint techniques to make this area pop would be appreciated!!!
pic of doorway
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Tir_Na_Nog
April 26, 2007
7:20 AM Post #3432886
| from dining looking at entry 
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Tir_Na_Nog
April 26, 2007
7:23 AM Post #3432901
| left of door walking in. 
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Tir_Na_Nog
April 26, 2007
7:26 AM Post #3432913
| looking right towards dining. 
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Tir_Na_Nog
May 15, 2007
7:39 PM Post #3501336
| LOL, no opinions? I guess this is why many entries are boring. I won't bother to ask about how to make a hotel style upstairs hall more attractive then. =) (Our last house was nice and open at the top of stair with a gameroom). |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 15, 2007
10:02 PM Post #3501857
| LOL. I am just now seeing this thread. I think the door should be red. Or the walls. That will liven it up for you! LOL |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 16, 2007
10:21 AM Post #3503233
| LOL. Was thinking of a dark red for the exterior. Good call. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 16, 2007
8:00 PM Post #3505179
| LOL. I like seeing red in homes. It's a nice bold color. |
Bettypauze
Victoria Harbour, ON
(Zone 5b)
May 24, 2007
2:18 PM Post #3531440
| they say red door is very, very welcoming...so, it would be a good choice..as for your entrance I would want to keep it light...looks very pretty for me... |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 24, 2007
2:29 PM Post #3531476
| Betty,
Thank you very much.
Well I am very much into doing neat finishes and Lowe's has a NEW PAINT that's called GRANITE. It's $30 a gallon and comes in a few earth tone shades. I was thinking to paint the entry a pale pale blue. Well I found a shade a little darker in the GRANITE paint. It is rightly named as it has tiny specks of the granite in it. Once applied it has a sparkle and shimmer to it. The paint itself seems to be either flat or satin finish.
You roll on a thin coat, let dry. Then you brush on using an X motion a top coat.
I'll post a picture and let you know how it turns out. I want to leave the inside of the door white to match the rest of the doors and trim inside. Just painting the wall.
The color I picked is a smokey blue but it's not to dark. It should complement other rooms in the house. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
6:42 PM Post #3532260
| I would paint the inside of the door the same color or one shade darker than your wall color. Paint the side lites also, leaving your trim white, to make the door pop.
My house is totally different than yours is, but here's some of mine...
Looking in from dining room (edited to add in correct view!)
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
6:44 PM Post #3532267
| Looking in from parlor... 
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
6:46 PM Post #3532278
| standing on first landing looking towards parlor and dining room... 
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
6:48 PM Post #3532285
| dining room doorway looking at front door... 
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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 24, 2007
6:51 PM Post #3532292
| I love the sound of that blue!! Where was it when I was doing my room??? lol. I ended up going with Benjamin Moore's White Satin. It's nice but I like what your's is supposed to be.
Terry, I just plain want your house. lol. Ship it down here!! |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
7:09 PM Post #3532354
| pep, I'm not quite done with the spare bedroom, still have a door to finish polying and the floor to re-finish. Guess what color it is?
Here's a blurry photo, but the room non the less...and I forgot, the ceiling fan has yet to be put up.
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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 24, 2007
7:14 PM Post #3532363
| I love how the windows are low. Course when you are standing up it's kinda hard to look thru them but if you sit then it's great. lol |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
7:21 PM Post #3532378
| No, not hard. The top of the glass is about 6' or better. I just went up and checked, and I can see the sky just fine. The front window has a flat roof outside of it, you can crawl out the window onto it if you're so inclined (balcony to the left), and the other window has no obstructions at all. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 24, 2007
8:15 PM Post #3532521
| The window is taller than I thought. I've seen some that were right about my height and they were hard to see out of without getting down. Very awkward. |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 24, 2007
8:48 PM Post #3532622
| Hey Terryr thanks for posting pics! My DH was suggesting we call our front room the parlor and I mistakenly told him, no one calls it that anymore! Love that you do! Your house has a lot of charm!
pepper, I'll post pics when done. =) |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 24, 2007
9:39 PM Post #3532809
| Thank you! In an house that's 111 yrs old, well it is the parlor. I wouldn't even know what else to call it. And yes, this house has a lot of charm, that's what I love so much about it! It taking us awhile to bring all her beauty back, but we're doing it! Once you start calling your front room the parlor and get used to saying it, it'll come easy to you. That spare bedroom upstairs? We dubbed the third bedroom of our first house the toy room back when our daughter was about 1. She's now 24 and we still call a third bedroom the toy room ;)
pep, here's a picture of me staining some wood work for the kitchen in that room. I'm bent a little, but it gives you the idea of how tall the windows are. I'm 5'4" btw...
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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 24, 2007
9:44 PM Post #3532827
| You're a 1/4 taller than me. lol. I can see how tall the windows are now. They are really tall. Nice walk-thru windows. |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 25, 2007
9:24 AM Post #3533989
| terryr,
Gosh I am just thrilled you are restoring this beauty! And you are taking up and redoing all the trim!? What an undertaking! It is gorgeous! I much prefer stained wood tone trim but seems modern houses it's alllll paint. Very annoying to paint walls around because I am constantly touching up trim with white paint for a nice smooth line. The house I grew up in was built in the 30's and had wonderful tall STAINED baseboards. It was easy breezy to wipe a paint mistake up. We also called our 3rd bedroom the nursery because Mom was having baby boys so often there was always a baby in the house. Then when the boys were grown it was STILL called the nursery. Bwahahaha! We to have a "toy room." =) |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 26, 2007
12:07 PM Post #3538213
| Some trim yes, had to come off so that I could strip it then stain and poly it. The kitchen for instance had original trim around 1 window and the basement door and trim around it. There was trim around the doorway coming into the DR, but on the one side, they butchered it to fit the cabinetry. I found a mail order source that duplicates the very trim we have, so I ordered it for the kitchen in the areas that didn't have the original and where a PO had just put the little ranch style trim in. There's a little half bath off the kitchen, probably originally was a butler's pantry, but I like having at least a 1/2 bath on the first floor! I couldn't find the baseboards anywhere, and basically the bottom part (in the downstairs) is a 1x7, with a fancy thing nailed on top. I haven't had the top part made yet, but we did put up the 1x7's in the mean time, just so that we have baseboards in there. And actually, they don't look bad how they are. The rest of the downstairs had already been stripped by the PO my PO bought from. The original trim around the 1 window and basement door, plus the door were removed and I stripped those up in the toy room. I did the bathroom window trim in place, the baseboards weren't original. Upstairs, 2 bedrooms wood work was all painted, plus the back area where the attic door and the servants stairs are. I stripped and redid the wood work from the 2 bedrooms while it was up. I didn't take it down. The doors though, came off to be stripped and re-finished. The upstairs bathroom was also painted, but not original wood work. The baseboard had been butchered by the goofy way they had the bathroom set up, so I pitched it and bought new. It looks like the upstairs baseboards, but is shorter. When I stripped the trim around the door and the window in the upstairs bath, the wood wouldn't come clean, it looked like it was pickled, the white paint was in the wood, so I repainted it. I did strip the door, the inside was painted. It came off like it should, so I stained and polyed it. In that back stair area, we've got plaster coming down...it was being held up by marlite which I removed in 05 when we first bought the house. Part of the trim, baseboards and attic door back there have been stripped. I've got the attic door stained and polyed and put back up, but I'm waiting on finishing the baseboards, stripping the rest and staining and polying it all until we get the walls fixed back there. That blue room that I showed above had circles on the walls and ceilings. Deep full circles made with what felt like Plaster of Paris to me. I say it felt like Plaster of Paris because we had to sand those walls and ceilings trying to get them smooth. Then we put on about 5 or more thin skim coats. Sanded that all down till I was satisfied with the how it looked, then primed and painted. Then I stained all the wood work and polyed it. That's why the floor is just sitting there, waiting to be re-finished...all the work that went into the room already and we're just plain tuckered out from doing home improvements. I want to be playing in the dirt now instead ;) When it gets hot out, like in July or Aug, we'll start back again. At the top of the stairs is a little alcove and a door that goes to the balcony, and the bedroom photoed above. When you turned to go right, to go the rest of the bedrooms, the bath and the back stairway, there was a doorway at the beginning of the hallway. It never made sense to me and it didn't look right because the trim around it wasn't original. So, my husband and I got out our pry bars and set about removing it. The original baseboards were under the 2x4's and drywall, but by removing it, it flows right into the hallway that still has to have skim coats put on it. I had used a product in that front area called NuWal, so I have to blend my joint compound in to that also, so it's smooth. Then the back area needs some more of the plaster that is no longed attached removed and filled in with drywall and the plaster surrounding it needs plaster washers put in so that it stays. Use some drywall tape and smooth it all with joint compound...oh, after we finish removing a few layers of wall paper that's just sort of here and there. Then I can prime and paint and re-finish the floors in the hallway into the back staircase area. And a PO removed the railings that go around the floor opening of the stairs because they had it all covered up. Geez, just typing everything that needs to be done is exhausting me! I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things that need to be done, but you get the gist of it...
As for modern houses having all the trim painted. I don't know if that's a regional thing or what. New houses around me, in my small town or the next town over even, don't have painted wood work. In some, it's the not the best of wood work, more that MDF stuff, but in some, they've put in some beautiful oak (or mahogany) wood work and doors. We lived in TN for a short period of time before we bought this house, and the new house we bought down there had the...you guessed it...painted woodwork. But the walls weren't smooth either, they had that knock down stuff. And again, up here, at least in new houses I've been in, the walls are smooth, none of that knock down stuff. And I'm picky, so the knock down in our house down there had to be sanded down and then I painted over the color that the builder put in, which was a color I had picked, I just didn't want it in every single solitary room! IMO, that knock down is getting away cheap, they don't have to do the mud and taping perfectly. They over sprayed that texture into various rooms making it so I had to sand. I'm truly picky ;) |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 26, 2007
12:12 PM Post #3538232
| One word: WHEW!!! |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 26, 2007
1:01 PM Post #3538359
| Yes I hate room textures, painted trims and all the same paint color to! My last house was new and that was the deal---but it was a wonderful texture job! Very consistent and not on the trim and it was a nice style that was similar to an orange peel.
Next house now is about 25 years old. Has texture---yep---did a crappy job on the taping and the texture wasn't even evenly sprayed onto wall corners and ceiling corners! But it's liveable. And it sure has been well maintained and upgraded in other areas.
I am so glad to hear some builders are using real wood stained trim though! That's wonderful! |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 26, 2007
2:59 PM Post #3538655
| Stained trim is very popular in the mountains and in the country. Easier to maintain. |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 26, 2007
4:32 PM Post #3538914
| Oh yes that's for sure. I always have to have a trim paint touch up can around. It's terrible to vaccuum near! LOL! |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 26, 2007
4:33 PM Post #3538917
| We have so many other projects to do. DH to hang crown moulding in 2 rooms, then we have to add more insulation to the attic---barely has R19, we bought R39 enough to do a brand new house so we'll have MORE than enough--hoping to do that next weekend. I should have my entry done by end of June though. *Cross fingers* and will post pics then. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 26, 2007
7:41 PM Post #3539405
| Orange peel = knockdown. I hate that stuff. The guy who did it in TN, actually, I swear my 6 yr old at the time nephew could of done a better job! All globbed in the corners and where the ceilings meet wall. Globbed so bad it looked like paint running. I always paint my ceilings the same as my walls or a shade or more darker, so if I did it the same, it wasn't so bad. But in the rooms where I did the darker ceilings, I really had to sand a lot up there. Good thing for my mouse sander that went into corners and such! I refused all the builder grade stuff and picked out my own. I then owed the builder for a lot more, but some of the stuff I bought and he picked up.
This house wasn't all that well maintained. She wasn't listed as a fixer upper, but after I got in here and uncovered things, she definitely was. I hate it when people don't take care of their houses. I say every now and again that I can hear the house sigh and say thank you for fixing me...lol...
pepper, when should I expect you? You can help me! Such fun we'll have...lol... |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 26, 2007
7:56 PM Post #3539445
| LOL. I have thought about coming up there but it's a long trip. Still working on ideas. |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 26, 2007
9:39 PM Post #3539774
| terry,
quite contrary---it was an orange peel look, called monterrey texture, in the last house which was brand new and they applied it marvolously! I really liked it. Here in this house it's more the texture like if you wadded up a big garbage bag and dipped it in putty to splat on the walls. It's not as even a job with smoothness in the corners but I'll live with it. I'd much prefer FLAT walls of course and will do in my 3rd home which will be custom.
I to hate when folks don't put money into their home. All my extra money goes into mine. I LOVE to buy things like faucets, blinds, plants, etc. We were blessed to actually find a used home where the previous owners (who'd only had it 6 of it's 25+ years) really loved it. |
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)
May 26, 2007
10:03 PM Post #3539868
| I'm not sure but I think the orange peel is sprayed on and not knocked down, so it's like so many droplets that almost leveled out. Some people call it eggshell too. It's probably the smoothest of all wall textures. If you wanted to make it flat it would be easy to mud over, no bumps to catch the blade. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 26, 2007
11:20 PM Post #3540137
| Yes, the knock down is sprayed on and they have some sort of tool that they run over it and "knock down" and smooth out leaving flat bumps, leaving it looking like an orange peel. I've not heard it called eggshell. Any eggshells I've seen are rather smooth ;) I've never seen it done, but the way they described how it was done reminded me of how they do popcorn ceilings, except they don't blow out as big a globs as with the popcorn ceilings, and with the walls they try to smooth out the globs. If that makes sense. My parents 2nd home in AR has it too, but applied properly and yes, you could probably do a few skim coats and get it to smooth. But that in TN? No way. Even with the sanding I did on it, there was still way too much to get it smooth. By the time I would of done any skim coats, the walls would of been out further than the baseboards. In the hallway, it's like they ran the tool up from the floor and stopped about 2 ft up. Then they came from ceiling to where they'd stopped. So there was this "ledge" there. Drove me crazy. I never did get a chance to sand and re-paint the hallway.
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claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)
May 26, 2007
11:30 PM Post #3540211
| Towards the bottom of this page is a picture of orange peel. It's not a KD finish.
[HYPERLINK@www.drywallschool.com] |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 26, 2007
11:38 PM Post #3540228
| Thanks Mike! I always thought they were one in the same, but there is a difference. See the picture of the "mud swirls"? Imagine those, but full circles and deep grooves and that's what was in that blue bedroom a few posts up. Appeared to have been about 3 different colors on it, so it was really fun to sand down...and if you believe that one, I've got a really nice bridge for sale too! ;-) |
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)
May 26, 2007
11:50 PM Post #3540265
| Googling some more I see you can buy some goo/paint that they're calling 'orange peel' that Does look knocked down. There's a lot of regionalisms in the lingo for this stuff and a lot of people won't tell you how they do it anyway. I've worked on houses where it's in the finisher's contract that the house is empty so no one can see how quick and easy their job is, I guess.
Speaking of knock down, I'd be tempted to tear the old sheet rock down rather than sand all that... or just rock over it. Then you have to deal with the trim not fitting, but some times it's easier. Depends on the place I guess, whether it's real plaster etc. etc. But there's a lot to said for doubling the sheet rock, fire resistance, sound-proofing, fewer grey hairs maybe (in my case). |
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)
May 26, 2007
11:53 PM Post #3540277
| O gawd, I just had a nasty 'mud-swirls' flashback - m a k e it s t o p aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 27, 2007
10:54 AM Post #3541165
| lol...in this house we live in currently, the mud swirls were done over top of the plaster. Real honest to goodness plaster. In our bedroom we had the scratch coat on the walls and ceilings and the ceilings had that crackle stuff going on. You can't just put skim coats on top, it would eventually all crack again. So we did have sheet rock put over the plaster. I thought I had taken a picture of the circles/swirls going on in there, but I can't seem to locate it. Bummer. Would of really traumatized you...lol... |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 27, 2007
11:11 AM Post #3541223
| What a neat site! I guess mine might have been the top style? Anyhow it was pretty nice and smooth. And I smoothed out one wall to do a wall mural and it wasn't to bad at all. Would never want to do the whole house though! |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 27, 2007
4:17 PM Post #3542143
| I had a chair rail installed in the dr down in TN. This was after I had sanded it down to try and make it smoother, not smooth, but smoother. What I didn't like about it, was basically the same thing as all the trim, how it isn't flush against the drywall or plaster like I'm used to. They actually use caulk across the top of the baseboards and smooth that out to give the appearance that it is flat or flush against the wall. It's all a matter of taste of course and we've already established that terryr is very picky...lol...
Pictures of the wall mural please! I'd love to see! |
Tir_Na_Nog
May 27, 2007
4:34 PM Post #3542179
| terryr,
OH good observation---I HATE that tacky smoothing with the caulk over trim! My last house had that everywhere. It's a pain in the rear to paint a wall next to. Fortunately this house did NOT do that. =) You and I think alike---I'm so picky to.
Here is the thread on my mural:
[HYPERLINK@davesgarden.com]
To bad we moved when my daughter was about 4 months. And here I don't yet have the time to try again.
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 27, 2007
5:18 PM Post #3542312
| lol...did your carpenters forget the measure twice cut once rule? Ours did and so they filled in the gaps with caulk also. We had the basement finished so we had enough baseboard trim that I was able to have them take off the most obvious one in the hallway and replace it. But they still did the caulk thing on top, even though I asked them not to! Yes, makes painting a serious pain in the rear. I found that half the caulk was actually on the wall, so I just painted it with my wall color.
The mural is adorable! To bad you had to move! In TN I didn't do a mural, I did a 3 sq ft square off center in the hall bathroom with a darker color, same as the ceiling. It was hard to paint the edges with the knockdown, but I have a pretty steady hand, so it turned out nice. Here's a picture of it, taken from the doorway. 
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Tir_Na_Nog
May 27, 2007
8:56 PM Post #3543017
| wow great job!!!! |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
May 27, 2007
8:58 PM Post #3543025
| Looks great!! |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
May 27, 2007
9:20 PM Post #3543108
| Thanks! |
Brinda
Yukon, OK
(Zone 7b)
June 2, 2007
1:05 PM Post #3565994
| Hi Tir...I just came across this thread and was wondering if you've painted ...and if you did the Granite paint from Lowe's?
I thought I'd give you a bit of a hint if you haven't started. DH and I did a bedroom that we were transforming into my office about a year ago. I 'had' to have the granite paint...and yes, it's $30.00 a gallon. After we argued and even the man at Lowe's tried to discourage me, that's what we ended up doing. Oh Holy Cow! Talk about work! That was the hardest I think I've ever worked painting a room. The room is apprx 12' X 12' and it took us almost a week to get it done. And it took 1 gallon per wall. If you do it...the first coat you will think you've made a horrible mistake. But I can tell you that I love this room now. It was very hard work, and quite expensive to do...but it is one of my favorite rooms now. Good Luck...let us know what you do. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
June 2, 2007
1:57 PM Post #3566184
| $30 a gallon!!!!! Holy smokes!!!! |
Brinda
Yukon, OK
(Zone 7b)
June 2, 2007
3:45 PM Post #3566516
| LOL Yeppers! But I really think it was closer to $40.00 a gallon. I had to ask DH and he said it was almost 40 bucks a gallon. He also said he would never EVER do it again. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
June 2, 2007
3:46 PM Post #3566521
| I wouldn't either!! Not worth it!! Nuh uh!! No way!!! |
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)
June 2, 2007
3:48 PM Post #3566529
| Can you post a pic? I'd love to see what it looks like. Not that I would want to do it, sounds like too much $$ and trouble but I'm curious to see what it looks like. |
Tir_Na_Nog
June 2, 2007
4:02 PM Post #3566570
| Nope ours from Lowe's was $30 and from what other DGers were saying in another paint thread about the brand name paints they must have I'd say $30 is about average for good paint. The Lowe's generic is Valspar now and that's $25 for your regular paint. I expect it will be a lot of work to get it on right but I will work on it until I can master the paint chip. It is so beautiful! And well worth the cost to me for entry into the home. I will post pics of project when done but I doubt the small granite sparkle pieces will reflect in the photo.
The cheapest I've gotten paint is $12 a gallon and that was with a $2 off store sale and then a $5 mail-in rebate. I've not used the brand before so we'll see. Lots of projects going on at once. =) |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 7, 2007
6:14 PM Post #3708249
| I've been trying to paint my entryway. I am so disappointed. It says right on the paint chip sample I picked: "has 2 packs of granite crystals added" and I asked the mgr at the paint desk at Lowe's as he was the one going to mix my color---he said he THOUGHT it was already added. So he mixes it up then says...huh---color seems a little off from the paint chip but it's close, said if we didn't like the color we could bring it back since it's a new product to him.
Well it's watery thin with hard sandy pieces (I guess the granite) which adds texture to your wall.
Had I read the fine print I would have known one gallon will coat 120 square feet BUT it says you will need to add 2 coats so one gallon really covers 60 sq ft and you will need 2 gallons for a 120 square feet.
Sigh.
So we ended up getting a second gallon and I'm on that already. And it still may not cover the entry. This is my 3rd Saturday working on it.
It's very gritty so it hurts if you accidentally bump up against it. And the worst part? It doesn't have sparkles in it AT ALL like the sample I chose it for. So I'm wondering if that WAS extra, as indicated on the sample chip, or if I didn't apply it right? Who knows but since it has texture in it there is no going back. I must apply it evenly in the entry.
At $30 a gallon and with the extra effort it takes to put on I am sorely disappointed because it doesn't match the sample (sparkle) which was my whole reason in trying it.
I really thought I could get it knocked out today but no. It looks like one more weekend. |
Brinda
Yukon, OK
(Zone 7b)
July 7, 2007
7:35 PM Post #3708508
| I'm so sorry for you that things aren't working out like you had planned. I know how hard you're working and I would be disappointed too.
My DH works at Lowes and the Mgr in the paint dept got a gallon of granite paint and mixed our paint. And ours was far from thin...it was like mixed cornbread before baking.
As far as the sparkles go...that is something that you have to buy and mix in just before painting. They have small packets for sale there, but they won't mix them when you purchase the paint as they will disappear if not used immediately.
Keep us updated... |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 7, 2007
9:58 PM Post #3709048
| Brinda,
Thanks for the tips. Yes, it is frustrating because I have a baby so home projects are few and far between for me---to say nothing of gardening!---I was so upset because I specifically asked about the granite crystals. But I didn't see a place on the shelves for them either.
The thin part I meant was the paint itself is thin---but with the granite flecks yes it is like cornbread!
Perhaps I'll need another gallon anyhow and I can search for those flecks????
Having 2 gallons mixed separately would you believe they are completely different colors! The first was like a deep sky blue. The second has hues of purple---like it's periwinkle. It's darker and not as blue. So weird! |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 7, 2007
10:27 PM Post #3709167
| Your paint shouldn't be a totally different color. They should be adding the same tints to the same base as the first gallon you bought. If it isn't the same color, I'd take it back and have them mix up a new can. |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 8, 2007
10:21 AM Post #3710553
| terryr:
exactly my thinking. and we've bought paint from lowe's for years.
however, i don't know where my receipts are. and the second coat should cover the first.
brinda:
so would these sparkles be useable in ANY paint color/style???? if yes that's what I would have done. I didn't care for the gritty granite texture. though the paint is waaaay more harsh than the sample!
in putting on the second coat the best way to describe the coverage (since it's blue) is like the sky----you still see where the wall is coming through a little whiter, like clouds. it's subtle. and not sure if I'd like to keep this look or should i just keep covering and covering, etc.
think if you say yes i will finish this second gallon on it, buy a 3rd, add the sparkles and call it done.
i don't envy the next homeowner who may not like the texture. for that alone i wouldn't use the paint again. it doesn't look bad. just is rough to touch. and with little kids...you know. |
Brinda
Yukon, OK
(Zone 7b)
July 8, 2007
12:52 PM Post #3711142
| I think the feel is worse than a harsh sandpaper. I know I pay attention when I'm close to a wall...I scraped my knuckles really bad when we were painting and I hope I don't make that mistake again. And I've often wondered what we would do it we decided to paint this room again. I'm guessing that someone would need a good sander to get this stuff off. I can't imagine how much of a mess it would make! Ugh!
The paint color sounds really pretty. Please show us pics when you're done.
Yes, the sparkles can be added to any paint. Or I'm guessing that they can. We used them in our master bedroom also, we painted with a pale yellow and used the sparkles and it really looks good.
Good Luck! |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 8, 2007
2:27 PM Post #3711443
| oh brinda---wish I'd thought of that BEFORE putting up this sandpaper. :)
yeah, I've thought of the repainting bit to---would have to sand. ugh.
if it had been subtle like the sample it would have been okay though!
I'll post pics in another couple weeks (hope to be done...by then). |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 8, 2007
3:04 PM Post #3711571
| Sheesh. Sure wish now my entry was as "boring" as that first shot. :)
But Brinda you've been great help in confirming that at least I've been going about the project right. My expectations are just off from the outcome.
So after looking at my progress so far I've decided to sand it off.
Yep. Sanding if off.
Since it doesn't have the sparkles and don't have a full gallon anymore to add it to I'd still have to buy another gallon and it will take countless more attempts to fully coat it without the old white showing through.
So I am going to sand off the grit and get another paint color to go over top. I may not be able to remove the grit 100% but I will give it an honest effort. With little kids and it being a central passway to all rooms it could be dangerous to leave it up.
But if you say the sparkles worked in another paint I will still try that. Assuming our Lowe's has a spot on the shelf for them?
What brand of paint did you use to add the sparkles to Brinda? |
Brinda
Yukon, OK
(Zone 7b)
July 8, 2007
3:50 PM Post #3711665
| Goodness, you've done so much work and now you're going to sand? Oh I do feel for you! I hope it's an easy process for you. I know I would probably be the same if I had this in my entry though. Best of luck to you!!!
We used the Valspar Signature and also used Valspar Ultra. And I don't remember which one we used in the master, but I'm thinking it was the Signature.
Let me tell you about the sparkles. We found them by the paint color chips. Acutally they were right by the chips for the granite paint. They are in a small clear plastic envelope about the size of a Messenger or MightyPlant envelope, if you know that size. If you have problems finding them, let me know and I will pick some up for you and send them to you. You can dmail me if you need them. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 8, 2007
9:59 PM Post #3713004
| Tir_Na_Nog, do you have a palm sander? If you do, I highly recommend using it, if you don't, go buy a cheap one at HD or Lowe's. Black and Decker has one that has a bag on it to catch the dust. I've had mine for years and I'm always finding something to use it on. Start with a 100 grit sandpaper and see how that works. Since it's just in the paint, it really shouldn't be that hard to remove. If it was already on it, like a texture added to the joint compound, then it's a little trickier to get off.
Another thing I would do, is contact the manufacturer of the paint and tell them that their samples need to be more accurate as to the feel of the granite paint on the walls and why you feel that way. And also, try talking to the manager of the store or at least the manager of the paint department. I had troubles with some paint bought from Menards (another box store like a Lowe's or HD) and they not only refunded my money, but they paid for the sand paper, the wasted rollers, paint trays, plastic drop cloths and I can't remember what all. They bought almost a hundred bucks worth of stuff for me to fix the problem that their paint created. |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 8, 2007
10:18 PM Post #3713103
| Wow, good messages from both of you! Yep, DH has a palm sander for sure. Glad to hear shouldn't be to tough to remove since it's just the paint grit. Good point about telling them their samples should match the paint! Grrrr.
Brinda, thank you very much for your generous offer.
We are going to Lowe's probably tomorrow or so to look for those sparkles. DH wants to sand the walls before Friday because we have Sears coming to clean the AC ducts and don't want extra dust around after that.
Not sure what color I'll go with but sure hope to get some sparkles. I'll keep you updated on what I can find. :) |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 15, 2007
7:36 PM Post #3739963
| Well it's done. And nothing more than a bad memory. LOL!
Went back to Lowe's to tell the paint counter person (neither of the 2 people who'd mixed my paint) and they were unsympathetic about the color mixing or the lack of sparkles addition to my paints as it says on the sample color card "2 packs of crystals were added, sold separately." Yes, I read this intially and ASKED the paint clerk, dept mgr, and he opened the can and saw the gritty stuff and said it looks like it's in there. Sheesh. I was pointed in the direction where the crystals are stocked and when I went over there (by the paint chips) yep----NONE IN STOCK. No wonder I missed them the first time. And they've been out 3 times since I've looked again. The paint clerk lady said, "Yeah we haven't had any in a long time?" So I gave up trying to get those to add to another paint.
I ended up going to Sears to pick a color and got something I am immensely happy with.
We sanded the wall with palm sander with attached shop vac so no dust :) and it smoothed it enough to match the original sample which was light in texture, no scuffed knuckles anymore!
Painted the wall and went around trim with an artist brush all in the time it took me in 3 weekends to work on the granite and it was still needing additional coats!
Didn't take a pic of the poor job as I hope to forget it. But I will post a picture once we finish out the room.
We have crown moulding to put up and I bought some nice artwork for the walls. Also considering beadboard but since I want it white to match woodwork DH suggests the vinyl coated kind but I worry that it will look bad with age---scuffs, pitmarks, etc. He says it is still paintable. Has anyone else used this stuff?
If no replies I'll have to start a thread on that to.
Once it's all said and done I'll post a complete picture. I am so happy it is so close! |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 15, 2007
11:38 PM Post #3740925
| Personally, I wouldn't do vinyl beadboard because it'll always look like vinyl beadboard. I'd go ahead and do wood tongue and groove and paint it white. Top it off with a chair rail of your liking and you'll drastically change the look. Another thing to consider when using those sheets of the fake beadboard is the seams you'll have if you need it to go longer than they are. My sister has the vinyl coated in her bathroom and she hasn't been happy with it since it was installed. She wants to rip it out and do the tongue and groove wood and paint it white. I'm also basing my opinion and suggestion with the thought that you have wood in your home and not vinyl or fake wood.
I'm glad that the palm sander worked along with the shop vac to lessen the dust it created. I'm really sorry that your local Lowe's personnel aren't devoted to being friendly and helpful. I wouldn't of bought any more paint from them either and I would of been sure to let them know they've lost me as a paint customer.
At least now it's all just a memory that you can file away. I also want to say I thought I was the only one that goes around with an artist brush. I have some people think I'm way to anal when it comes to how I want it. Perfect is how I want it...lol.
Please do post pictures. Show us your progress too. I think it'd be neat to take pictures before the crown molding goes up and then more, showing the difference it made with it up. |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 16, 2007
9:42 AM Post #3741770
| terryr,
thanks for the tip. wow---dh might be disappointed. lol. he wanted the vinyl. I wonder what the cost difference is on the 2? I think sheets of the vinyl 4'x8' are $20 or something. Yeah, seams would irk me!
yep, artist brush perfectionist here. I always notice trim. I'm surprised really how many people seem to brush paint up onto a ceiling or door jams etc. I DO NOT use that blue painters tape. It's only failed me time and again so I don't bother anymore and I use a small brush. It takes me hours but the look will last for years. :)
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WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)
July 16, 2007
10:14 AM Post #3741885
| Thank you so much for mentioning the palm sander with attached shop vac.
Sounds as though we'll be needing a few of them. ;-(
Our walls all throughout the house, no other way to say it, suck. The office is
pretty basic. Sheetrock with mud and tape seams all over the place, and one -
maybe two coats of paint. The seams are far from what one would call nice.
The bathroom is coated with knobby, sharp texture, and plenty of it. Same
goes for the kitchen, yes...the kitchen walls have sharp knobby texture in fine
points all over, including the ceiling.
The living room is another mud and tape disaster. I HATE mud and tape!
The bedroom walls are relatively flat, but covered with various shades of paint.
The hallway is partially textured, but flat, and the house has shifted, so now we
have big cracks above the walls in the hall and laundry room. Sigh.
Kind of makes your project seem fun, LOL.
KM
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 16, 2007
11:09 AM Post #3742059
| KM, since I can't mud and tape, but have tried myself in a former garage, it sounds like joeblowhomeowner is the one that did your job. It's an art to get them good. I'm wondering if you don't need to do a skim coat over the whole walls? I've done that too and can say I'm fairly good at that. Just do thin coats. They don't have to be totally even as sanding will even them out. To fix the big cracks, you're going to need to put some tape up there and go over it with mud (joint compound). I don't know what's in your kitchen. It almost sounds like knockdown, but a really bad job of it.
Tir, I'm not sure on difference in cost. I have the wood and I didn't price the vinyl sheets. Sorry, I can't help you there. The trick to using the blue tape is to just use the tape as your guide as to where you don't want paint. If you slop paint on it, then yes, it will go under. I've used to many thinner primers and SW paint always seem to splatter, so tape is a must if I prime or use SW paint. That's a big if on the SW paint, I prefer either BM or the Ace paint. Also when doing the trim, I use a 1 1/2 inch angle brush. I don't mind paint on the ceiling as I'm not a white ceiling person. My ceilings are the same or sometimes a totally different color. Our upstairs bathroom for example, has deep tan walls and the ceiling is a cove ceiling, so the wall that goes into the ceiling is painted navy.
You should of seen the house before this one that we bought. New construction, but the builders wife did the trim and door painting. She didn't paint the inside of closet doors, so there were runs all over in there, she painted the hinges too. On the regular doors, she slopped paint on the hinges and doorknobs. She did the trim before it was installed, but she didn't touch it up after.
Another thought I had last night but forgot to mention...how about just doing a chair rail in the room instead of doing the beadboard? I did that in the above mentioned houses dining room, using one color on the bottom and another one on top and for the ceiling. I don't have time right now, I have a meeting I need to get ready for, but if you want to see a picture of a room with just chair rail, let me know and I'll post it. |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 16, 2007
11:57 AM Post #3742260
| terryr,
of course---more pics the better. :)
i think i'll try talking dh into wooden beadboard. ;) he's really not wanting to put a lot into this place because we want to live in the country ultimately and timeline is to buy land in 5 years. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 16, 2007
5:56 PM Post #3743641
| Well Tir, although I really do understand that and time really does fly by when we're all having so much fun, it really is a long time to sit on something when you really want it done. It seems to me that the more character you add into your home, the easier it is to sell.
I'll do a series of 3 photos. This is what it looked like shortly after we moved in.
Edited to add that this photo, going by the date which I wasn't paying attention to, was taken the day after we'd moved in and not everything was set up. This is also a scanned photo. My computer, that I had a ton of pictures on, crashed and burned shortly thereafter.
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 16, 2007
5:58 PM Post #3743645
| Here's when I got the bottom painted... 
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 16, 2007
5:59 PM Post #3743652
| And here's where it's done. Now I really wanted to go with navy, but the color I used was what was left after I'd painted the cabinets we put in the garage and my corner cabinet in the room is navy, so I just used the left over paint. 
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Tir_Na_Nog
July 16, 2007
9:22 PM Post #3744422
| Hey that's a pretty room! I am doing a 1/2 wall paint job myself in my bedroom and will need a chair rail.
True, you'd think any additions would help the house sell. But I already liked ours when I walked in the door. Our area seems to sell well as it is...even other homes that ask more than we paid that haven't been updated near as much either! Weird.
DH made the point that we won't have seams in our (he said it's real wood, not vinyl) beadboard because the walls, although a good sized entry, has so many openings or doors going off of it that no piece on the wall would be longer than the 8' panel they come in. NOT saying we won't do the unfinished wood but I just need to get in there to price this stuff. Of course I'd always like the higher grade of anything!
Thanks for the pics. Man that trimwork looks nice and crisp! ;) |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 16, 2007
9:55 PM Post #3744554
| From what I understand, the beadboard sheets aren't wood, they're veneer or made with MDF. Any that I've ever seen are going to be 4'x8' sheets, so if you don't want them coming up 4' plus your baseboard, you'll have to rip them. Where if you buy the tongue and groove, they're typically 32" tall. Plus they're all wood. Just think of those sheets as being like the paneling used years ago. Thin and not exactly what I'd call quality, but that's just my opinion.
The trim was re-painted by me. I used BM Dove White (or is it White Dove?) in gloss. First house we ever had that had painted wood (well, what I added was real wood, the trim is MDF), and to me, I liked the looked of the gloss paint and not the semi-gloss that the builder used. Plus I didn't care for the bright white they used either.
That's good that houses sell so well in your area. |
Tir_Na_Nog
July 17, 2007
10:45 AM Post #3746078
| mdf---that makes sense. I was thinking that to.
Oh you use gloss on baseboards. That's nice! I think ours is semi. But at least the people before seemed as picky about trimwork as I. :)
Does the real beadboard come in individual slats or sheets? |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
6:07 PM Post #3747938
| They're individual. I don't know how to explain it...lol...sitting here thinking and I just can't figure it out. But I'm going to try...each board is about 14" wide, I think. One end has a tongue and the other end is the groove. In between are the beads. In between the beads, the flat part of it, is approximately 1 1/3". Does that make sense? I know that there's some left over from the bathroom, but I've looked around in the basement and I can't find any. So below is a picture where we did the whole 1/2 bath, walls and ceiling.
I just like the look of the gloss paint on trim, if trim has to be painted that is. Trim work is probably the only thing I'd ever use gloss paint on. This is the first house that has a solid wood front and back door, all the others have been the steel doors. I did use a gloss paint for the front door in our previous home in TN and I liked it alright. I really prefer the look that Cabot's The Finish gives, but I couldn't find it down there, so I used BM paint.
Taking a picture of the 1/2 bath is near impossible, so here's a little bit of it, showing the beadboard. I'll do 2 pictures.
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
6:08 PM Post #3747944
| Here's part of the opposite wall... 
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missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
7:05 PM Post #3748170
| Hi
I have been enjoying your posts and the photos.
Tir - the beadboard - I have it in my bathroom. You can buy the beadboard in 4x8 panels or do like we did - buy the pine panels in ~ 6 or 8 inch wide pieces and can be purchased in 8 or 12 foot long lengths. (so one will make you at least two strips depending on how tall you want the bead board wall to be)- the thing to inquire about at the building supply is the wood that the contractors use for tongue/groove ceilings. The beadboard side is the flip side of the flat finish that is used on the ceilings. It may be less expensive this way. Be sure to prime it with a good blocker type primer because the knots come through. It may be sold in something other than pine - but pine is what the builder used here (he had left over from the pine T and G ceilings.) I have really enjoyed all the photos and the building tips, etc. Thank you all. Here is a photo of my foyer and behind it I will try to post a photo of my dining chandelier - (Terry I am so glad to see your photo - my hubby always saying NOBODY hangs things from the light fixture Dorothy!!) I do it to help my grandson stay at the table and eat and also because I just like it. 
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missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
7:14 PM Post #3748197
| here is the light fixture 
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
7:21 PM Post #3748221
| LOL!! You can show your hubby the below picture too and tell him You told him so!! Every year for Christmas my mom gives me the current years Swarovski crystal snowflake. I thought they'd look neat hanging on the chandelier. Then I bought the red bead string (2 of them) from Pottery Barn for Christmas, but since my kitchen was red in the other house above and it's red in this house, I've left it.
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missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
7:40 PM Post #3748268
| here is the ceiling (hope you can see it) with the BACK SIDE of the bead board. 
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terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
7:52 PM Post #3748302
| That's the tongue and groove pine planking? As I know it's name anyway. I had them do that on the wall and the cubby where the washer/dryer was and the cubby ceiling at our first home. Those were the only walls that weren't shared with the LR. It was a cathedral ceiling too. I used milk paint on them and they looked really good. Unfortunately, it's a picture that I don't have anymore. I didn't have them backed up and my computer crashed. Always back up your pictures!!! |
missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
7:52 PM Post #3748305
| Terry - look at this - enlarge it..you will see the bal, the tree and the snowflake! 
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missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
8:10 PM Post #3748355
| Yes, it is the T/G pine planking but the reverse side is the bead board that Tir Nir Nog was looking for. I think it is less expensive to buy this way-- and it comes in long strips so it can be cut in three lengths depending on how high the bead board wall is to be.
I milk painted my ceilings too. That is the only place I have the wood in the house --except for the small walls surrounding the guest bath where I faced outward the bead board side of the plank. (That is how I learned about the need to prime the knots.) I decided to use an acrylic paint there - humidity and cleaning etc. I liked the pure white opaque cottage feel in the bathroom too ...did the bottom a pure white (the bead board) and the walls above the beadboard (trimmed with a white narrow shelf) a pale pale silver grey. The tile in the bath surround is a pale grey/ green sponged checkered pattern so it was a real hard match for the wall paint. Anyway, looks like we think along the same lines and you can be sure my husband is going to see your light fixture!! The dope! |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
July 17, 2007
8:48 PM Post #3748452
| Loving the pictures!! Makes me want to paint the house. But my dad would have a heart attack if we put any actual color in here. lol. He's afraid of color in our house. Terry if you come down we can get the whole house painted before he even realizes what is happening!! LOL |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
9:08 PM Post #3748529
| How funny!! I have 3 other snowflakes hanging on the latches for the windows in that room. Do ya think I might just like snowflakes?
I used whatever the milk paint company told me to use for knots. At the moment I can't remember what it is. It seems like I mixed it in with the paint. I went to their website
[HYPERLINK@www.milkpaint.com]
and it sure seems like it was the extra bond, but it's just saying for use on things other than bare wood. So...hmmmm...I didn't want opaque, but I wanted some of the wood to show thru. We did 2 coats (did you have as much fun as I did trying to mix the dang stuff?) and then put a few coats of Polycrylic, recommended by the company. My sisters bathroom is white above the white beadboard and chair rail, then she did her ceiling in gray. It's a deep gray. I wish I had a pic of it. It looks really awesome (for white..lol!).
I suggested the ones that already come in lengths of 32", because I figured it would be no waste. But it does depend on how far she wants to come up. That's the big question... |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
9:09 PM Post #3748539
| Pepper!! You're typing over me again!!! Wouldn't that just be too funny if I did come and start painting!! Your dad doesn't like color?? Fer shame, fer shame!! |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
July 17, 2007
9:14 PM Post #3748563
| He likes color just not in our house I don't think. I think the main problem is trying to find a nice color that isn't over powering and doesn't make the house look smaller. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
9:32 PM Post #3748631
| That's all in his head, about color making the house smaller. My mom used to say that, till I painted an 8 x10 ft room in Navy, then she changed her mind. It was a pale yellow before that...I don't know why I painted it pale yellow, the pod people took over my body? Anyway, the navy made it look no smaller than the pale yellow did. Then I painted our bathroom in a midtone, but deep lavender and did the ceiling in plum. That was a 6 x 12 ft room. It wasn't any smaller than when it was a deep tan color. And I'd love to show you pictures, but unfortunately, those are the pictures that went when my computer crashed. The house is up for sale again, so if they do an open house, I'm planning on taking some pictures. Be better with our stuff in there instead of theirs, but beggars can't be choosers. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
July 17, 2007
9:39 PM Post #3748651
| LOL. Dark colors won't work in this house unless it was an accent wall. It can be bold but not dark like the navy. We are surrounded by trees and even though we have lots of windows it does get dark in here at times. But one day we may get bolder. We have a gray on the main area, white in my parents, a light blue called White Satin by Ben Moore in my upstairs room, a nice grey/beige type color in the bthrm and my room downstairs is the *ugly* beige. It was leftover paint so that is why it got used. But it is really drab since the carpet, trim, and window coverings which are sheets are all brown. lol. Brown, brown everywhere!! I will be painting it Haystack by Ben Moore when my bro gets a apt instead of bunking with friends and takes his stuff with him. |
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)
July 17, 2007
9:50 PM Post #3748709
| Oh phooey, dark colors would work! You think this old house is nice and bright? Think again my dear, think again...lol. The bathroom I mentioned above done in the colors of purple? No natural light in there at all. None. It worked. I did those same colors in the master bath in TN. What direction did the window face? North! Was it dark? Nope. It's all in yer head dear, it's all in yer head. |
pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
July 17, 2007
9:52 PM Post #3748724
| LOL. When I get my own place I will be going bold. Terra Cotta in one, venitian plaster in dark green, a blue room, and a few other colors. Kitchen-depends on layout. I might do blue but it may not work right. All depends on house. lol |
missingrosie
Hillsborough, NC
July 17, 2007
10:49 PM Post #3749015
| Pepper
Hi - Dorothy here.
Here is a photo of three doorways taken from the Terra Cotta room looking out through the foyer (green) into the living room (one wall is that blue you see). Anyway, these are the colors you mentioned. All came from - Lowes I think. American Traditions paint (I think that is Olympic brand).
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pepper23
KC Metro area, MO
(Zone 5b)
July 18, 2007
7:00 AM Post #3749567
| That green would look great in our living room and dining room. I like the rest of the colors too. |
