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Shigitatsu sawa

Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

This is the tree I thought I killed last summer when it dropped all its leaves. It survived, and is absolutely gorgeous this spring.

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Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Wow! That is really lovely. I'm so glad that it came back for you. I've had that happen too. Is it in the ground or in a pot?

Walhalla, SC

'Shigitatsu sawa' is a beauty. I have 'aka shigitatsu sawa' which is one of a few red/pink forms of that, and it is one of my favorites in spring.

Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

This tree is currently in a pot. I bought it last spring, and planted it in the ground, but it got too much sun, I think. It was kept in a shade house at the nursery, and it may have just been the shock of moving it outside. Even after I potted it and moved it to a shady spot on my deck, it lost all its leaves. I was thrilled to see it bud out this spring, and will make sure it stays in the shade!

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Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

That's a nice sized tree. Moving a tree from nursery shade into full sun is the only way I've ever lost a JM. They sure don't like that a lot. I'm glad that yours came back.

Newport News, VA(Zone 7b)

It's looking really good!'

Laura

Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

Well, the spot (now occupied by the Autumn Full Moon Maple in my other post) only gets morning sun and is shady the rest of the time, so I thought it was going to be shady enough! But after living in a shade house, even that little bit of sun was too much. As a maple novice, I learn more all the time!

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

I must have lost three trees before I figured it out. You are way ahead of the game. You can ask many nurseries to 'harden' your tree for you and good ones will do it before you take it home.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

I have a Shigatatsu sawa also. I have it next to my pond. It used to get morning sun and some late day sun. Now the tree that shaded it in the PM is gone and it is in full sun. What should I do? Move it? This would be the second time in three years. Will it adapt? Thanks.

Victor

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

That's a hard question. I think that maples can be moved without too much trouble - in fact if it's been moved recently the root system won't be large and the tree will be more easily moved. If the shade isn't there anymore I'd take a chance and move it.

It will be interesting to see what other folks say.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

The question is - is this variety particularly sensitive to full sun? I have had success with others in full sun, including 'Orangeola', 'Tamukeyama' and 'Washi no o'. They looked crappy the first year but got better each year. I do give them some Pro-Tekt.

Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

Victor, from everything I've read, this particular variety (unless you have the AKA variety, which has a red tint to it) is very sensitive to the sun. Its leaves are very tender and burn easily. Is it going to be in full sun all day now, or will it have some shade in the heat of the day? How old is the tree? If it's an older, well established tree, it may well adapt, but even so, I'd guess that you won't get the same leaf colors as it has in full shade. I'd think it would have more stress moving it. Maybe watch it this year, and make your decision based on how it does?

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Hi Roxy,

No it will be all day sun. I planted it two years ago (it was about 20 - 24 inches high at planting). It is not the Aka variety. I am leaning toward moving it. Thanks.

Victor

Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

With that small of a tree, I'd probably move it too. Just remember that even though mine lost all its leaves early last summer, it came back this spring better than ever. :) So don't give up on it too quickly if it goes into a bit of shock!

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Thanks again!

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Transplanted it today. Hopefully all will go well.

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Here's hoping! JM's are pretty tough customers.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Thanks!

Alexandria, VA(Zone 7b)

Mine spent the winter in a nursery pot, then got moved to a glazed ceramic container this spring. It's underplanted with a geranium 'Espresso', blooming right now, & aruncus aethusifolius. It's beautiful!

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Let's see a photo! Do you bring the pot indoors in winter?

Alexandria, VA(Zone 7b)

No, I'll try to post a photo, it was outside all winter, & we've had a very schizophrenic winter/spring (like most places, I imagine.) All of the JMs I had outside in nursery pots look very good, despite some late freezes-my plants were all on the N/W side of my house. I had a few dead branches on different plants, thanks to the late freeze, but everything looks great, now.

I work at a garden center & our JMs were arranged in rows of 2 or 3, then we placed bags of leaves around the perimeter....

Walhalla, SC

FYI the 'aka shigitatsu sawa' is nearly as tender as 'shigitatsu sawa'. It has a bit more coloration in sun...but down in S. Carolina part shade is about as much sun as I would go with it. 'Peaches and Cream' and the ghost series of cultivars released by Bucholtz (sp?) are similar and likely cant handle more than a few hours of direct sun.

I think moving it was a good idea. 3 or 4 hours of sun would have been fine, but not direct sun all day.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Where it is now it will only get a couple of AM hours of sun.

Alexandria, VA(Zone 7b)

I just wanted to update this- my Shigitatsu Sawa, outside in a pot, seems to have come through the winter (admittedly milder than normal for 7a or b, NoVA) just fine-all of my JMs, including 20+ 1 yr. grafts in small pots, about 5 in 1 gallon pots, 6 in larger ceramic pots, & 6 in the ground, seem to be healthy, showing lots of buds. I'm so happy, looking forward to seeing them leaf out soon, I hope...thistle

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

I'm so glad that they are doing well Thistle. Some of mine are starting to leaf out already.

Newport News, VA(Zone 7b)

With the baby trees, I've lost about 1 in 3 for various reasons, so it's nice to see them come through. However, the risk of frost is not yet over. I am off this morning to the nursery to see if I need another baby...(1/3 off the gallon size during their annual home/garden show).

Laura

Gaithersburg, MD(Zone 6b)

I've recently gotten a Shigitatsu sawa, too. It looks to me like it will need to be out of full sun - at least out of afternoon sun. True? The creamy portion of the leaves looks like it may burn.

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Puyallup, WA(Zone 8a)

You're going to want to give it as much shade as you possibly can. Mine is on my back porch where it gets 2-3 hours of morning sun, and shade the rest of the day. It is VERY sensitive and not only will the leaves burn, but they will completely crinkle up and fall off.

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