Help! Does anything bloom in deep shade? I live on a densely wooded hillside, and planted hostas in a particular area, but even they won't bloom there. I'm talking no sun, not even dappled. Impatiens didn't bloom there, either. I need some color! Even what I've read about caladiums and coleus says they at least need SOME light. Sure, we have wildflowers, but they don't bloom very long. Any suggestions? Oh, and deer resistant would be excellent! I don't ask for much, do I...LOL
Helleborus will bloom in shade, as will columbine. Astilbe do really well in deep shade, most hostas love shade, I am surprised they didnt make it for you... For pretty greenery, ferns love shade. Heucheras are pretty colorful and are shade loving as well. Bleeding hearts are really pretty shade plants too...
Thanks, huggle, I will check out the astilbe and bleeding hearts! Oh, and maybe painted ferns? The hostas do well, they just don't flower. I'll take some pics tomorrow and upload them so you can see the area.
Anytime Kywoods-I have alot of shady areas in my garden here. There arent that many things that I have found that did well, but by using different combinations of the ones I mentioned, all my shady areas look different. To be honest, I like Hostas for the foliage-half the time I dont notice them flowering anyway-LOL. The Hosta Sum and Substance is huge and a real eye catcher...
My all time favorite is Helleborus-so many color combinations, and columbine as well. I like alot of color...
Welcome to DG! I have mostly wooded property and at best I have part-shade. Just out of curiosity, is this area more of a hillside? Or more of a slope? Will you be walking up & down it or are you looking for something to make it green when you look upon it? I am just wondering, how dry an area this might be if the grade is steep? Also, I'm not sure if you are looking for ground cover or plants to make garden.
Huggle suggested Hellebores and I agree they would be great in deep shade, I have been growing some out in the woods for a few years and they are very happy, mine do receive some dappled light over the course of the day, but I don't think its much. I also have Astilbe out in the damp woods who get only any hour or two of dappled light and they bloom!
If you are wanting a area to mass plant...Pachysandra (I'm not crazy about it but I do grow it out in the woods in a wet spot ) it's evergreen and does bloom. There are some newer variegated varieties out there. There is always Ivy & vinca I have both growing on hillsides in the woods...Low maintenance!! You can even notice when the hill side is in bloom 80' away when driving down the road. Hey, There is a variegated Vinca green with yellow center-Vinca minor 'Illumination' check that out, lots of color!
A mass planting of Ajuga would make a statement in the spring when blooming and there are so many pretty Ajuga's now. Living in the woods I have NOT had luck with Ajuga reptans 'Burgundy Glow' I don't know why it just does not like my place, I have not been able to winter it over...yet any other variety I have lives on and on...With the Ajuga you could have other plants growing up through it.
Asarum (gingers) would do great in the woods there is the native Asarum canadense the deer don't touch it and it has fuzzy leaves. Asarum europaeum shiny waxy leaves. I also grow Asarum splendens which is bluish & variegated with silver spots!
For lots of color I think you need to rely on your spring ephemeral's dog tooth violets, other violets, trilliums (deer food) other spring bulbs...Sanguinaria canadensis pretty spring flowers, the doubles are a knock out.
Oh, what about Yellow Archangel 'Hermann's Pride' (Lamium galeobdolon) I have some growing under a pine tree in deep shade and it is blooming right now. This is the one were the clump gets larger. Not the one that that runs all over the place and back again ( I have some of that if you want it) I feel thats worse than ivy.
Ferns (already mentioned) are wonderful for their texture, but like you mentioned I think you need to stay in the Athyrium family...what about the Autumn fern 'brilliance' that is a great fern, the coloring I feel is brighter and lasts longer.
Mayapples (Podophyllums) like spotty Dotty and Kaleidoscope for little variegation.
Carex (sedges) like 'Evergold' one of my favorites! It grows best with some light, justs grows slow in low light. Another favorite which I have growing in deep shade is Carex siderosticha 'Variegata' it is in deep dry shade it has taken a 3-4 years till it took off but now filling in nicely. I can't believe DG doesn't have a picture of this.. I will need to take one and send in... in the mean time you can Google for images. I also have 'Ice dance' that is doing very well in moist deep shade (only filtered indirect light)
I have an Itea (small shrub) in deep moist shade and has been blooming for the last few years.
I know I have not mentioned anything with bold/bright color, but you will find that is hard to do in deep shade. The only way I grow coleus is if I can buy them large in the spring. In deep shade they don't really grow for me..they stay alive, just don't really grow.
Well, I hope I have been some help for you...
Wow shady, alot of great suggestions that will help me too...I am always looking for different things to add into my shady spots-I have so many of them, and they are in my fromt yard. Go figure-my whole front is shade, my whole back is BRIGHT sun...LOL-All my pretty roses, sunflowers, daylillies, calla lilies and iris's are in back, and I struggle with the front.-although Helleborus is always my first choice when anyone asks me what my favorite is.
Ooo, thanks so much to both of you--nice to know that I'm not as limited as I thought! There are two areas I want to add color to, One is at the top of a small hill, but the area itself has been somewhat leveled off. There are hostas there, but I'd like some more color between them. The other is actually a little memorial garden I want to plant at my little poodle's gravesite. I hacked out some of the honeysuckle, leveled off an area for a future bench, and filled in her grave with more of the surrounding rich topsoil. I would like to plant on the grave as well as around it. And I would like to get a little sign or stone that say's "Welcome to Bonnie's Garden". Bon loved the woods! I even thought I might find some plants from the company, "Bonnieplants". :)
Try Brunnera and Ligularia. The ligularia blooms late. Polygonatum is another nice early bloomer and if you buy the variegatum it's pretty all year long. Try using various foliage instead of bloom to make things beautiful.
I ahve a lot of shade here, too. There have already been some great suggestions. How about adding...
Toad lily (Tricyrtis). Miyazaki does great in my full shade and is gorgeous in the late summer and ealry fall.
I've had great luck with lobelia siphilitica, too. It get's tall purple spikes in mid summer.
Lamium for ground cover. There are lots of varieties, great color in the foliage, and pretty spring blooms.
I grow a bunch of different varieties of pulmonaria - they're stunning in the spring when they are in full bloom, and they are really easy to grow. Great foliage options when they're not in bloom, too.
I have the shrub kerria japonica growing in the shadiest part of my yard, about 3 feet from my neighbors very tall house on the north side. It gets only a little filtered early morning sun and the same in the late afternoon. It blooms with brilliant golden flowers for 3 or 4 weeks in May. It also has delicate bright green leaves and stems. It spreads quite a bit so give it space. It is about 3 to 4 feet tall. I think the single flowered form is much prettier than the double. The single variety can be hard to find but worth the effort. Here's a picture of it in my garden.
Here's a few pics for the suggestions made above. I have deep to dappled shade, but chose pics from areas that are in darker shade. I love caladium the most for a shot of color, and many do grow fine, although they won't bloom -
I love caladiums! I actually picked up three different ones at Wally World for only $3.49 apiece, and yes, one even has a bloom on it! I never knew they bloomed, either, but I guess I got lucky! It's a spadix, like the peace lily bloom--found info on it here, at the bottom of the page: http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/homeandgarden/reeves/0814.html
I would accept that compliment, but must admit that it was already in bloom when I bought it. Imagine that, surviving a trip in the back of a delivery truck and blooming at Walmart! I better go back and get more before they find out they have them cheaper than anybody else.
Chris_h: I'm curious about your Kerria also. There seem to be 2 commonly available singles: one that is just Kerria Japonica, and then the cultivar Kerria Japonica 'Golden Guinea.' I've seen some complaints about the foliage on the latter -- but I don't know if the foliage is the same on the regular Kerria Japonica.
Do you know which you have? It is so lovely! Have any cuttings to root?. . ..
Well, I don't remember anything but Kerria Japonica. I am pretty sure it did not have a cultivar name but can't swear to it. The flowers actually are a more golden yellow than they appear in the picture.
This shrub spreads by runners and last year I dug up a piece and planted it and it flowered this year. Would there be any agricultural rules against sending rooted runners? I would need advice on when and how to send it. I have never tried rooting cuttings but could send those if you like - again, I would need advice.
You might also consider adding a bit of color (don't overdo it) by using a painted terracotta pot in turquoise, hot pink, lavender or some other color. Be sure to use a color that matches something else...and just one pot (or other garden art like a small bench, birdfeeder, statue, etc).
I use a lot of annuals/houseplants to brighten up my deep shade. This year those include Plectranthus 'Mona Lavender', wandering jew, jewel orchid, purple perilla, rex begonias, achimenes, iresine, caladiums, and lots of coleus.
A perennial that really brightens up a dark area is the golden form of creeping jenny, which forms a ground cover. Also, the hardy begonia will give you some color in both leaf and bloom. There are yellow hostas that work well to brighten up the shade and the hostas with white in them are great at night.
chris_h my kerrias arrived on friday boy i got busy the next day and put them in the ground i sure hope i put them in good spots. cant wait until they grow its going to be so pretty. i like yellow flowers. the flowers kinda look like forsythias dont they? except these do blossom in the shade. well thanks again Ronna
The local grocery store has potted cyclamen for $6 a plant! Anyway, they won't winter over, right? Sure are pretty, though. I have searched for the hardy ones, but it seems they aren't available all year 'round.
Galium Odoratum is Sweet Woodruff. It's my favorite groundcover for shade. I believe I saw a closer picture of that scene on another forum because I remember how cute the little angel or fairy looked and how the white of the statue went so perfectly with the white of the hosta and the white sweet woodruff flowers. Picture perfect, gardenlady!
Thanks so much for the name! I agree chris_h, the combination of the hosta with the Sweet Woodruff and angel looks perfect. I have a cherub with her arms up like that and laying on her belly but don't have a spot for her yet...this has given me some inspiration (which I so often lack). I love my plants but not so great at combining them for a pleasing effect.
you are very right about that. I mean in magazines you see the perfect. yard which some of you have on this site believe me. But you know people actually put the blood sweat and tears into the work. Every one is so willing to share their knowledge of gardening. Ronna
i thought you had id'd a groundcover plant growing amongst the vancouveria for me
but looking at the petal count i see mine is not Sweet Woodruff ?
i will take the macro out and get a good pict when the rain stops :-)
I believe that in the front (the bottom of the photo) are wood poppy seedlings -- Stylophorum diphyllum(http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1014/index.html). I'd love to know what is in the back. It is definitely not Sweet Woodruff.
the plant at the bottom of the image is Vancouveria hexandra the inside out flower http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/83145/
i have some patches of the Vancouveria as ground cover and there are some (not many)
of the other unknown (looks like sweet woodruff) mixed in with it
and i thought it had been identified but it has the wrong number of petals
and i will take a closeup of the flowers on it tomorrow afternoon when the rain lets up
i think i will also take some good macro picts of the very small inside out while i'm at it :-)
Astilbe are such great deep shade workhorses. I have also had great luck with perennial lamium, such as "Annie Greenaway". It flowers nicely and brightens up a shady area. You also can't go wrong with a Lime Rickey Heuchera, or maybe a "Stoplight" Tiarella.
Here is a pic of a small, deep-shade garden that is under a cherry tree, from a few weeks ago, so not too much blooming.
i love all of the heucheras I have many and as muddbear says they are wonderful color all season long. I also like the iceland poppies they blossom in the spring as well as davids wort or grape hyacinths, epimediums the list can be very long oh and of course jack in the pulpits. oakleaf hydranges is beautiful. this is the first year for mine and georgeous.
Muddbear, I love your deep-shade garden!! Terrific job keeping it all so natural with the beautiful boulder and tree stump! What is it you have growing out of the stump? it is hard to see in the pic.
Gardenlady-your oakleaf Hydrangea is looking mighty happy and healthy. I have one in my backyard, and it has absolutely taken over. Will get a pic of it in the morning...It is definately one of my favorites!
Does anyone have suggestions for shrubs for deep shade? I have a spot for chris_h's kerrias -- but I need some more. There's the polka dot plant (I don't remember the latin name off hand). I'd especially like something bright or variegated to brighten up the shady spot. I am planting a steep hill -- probably won't be an easy place to grow, especially a plant with a single stem. I also don't want anything that will get too tall. . .
Ky, you mentioned deer resistant. Very few plants are. Our native deer love our hostas and caladiums--I keep trying to protect them with nets and such but the deer eventually find and eat them. The hostas do come back, though.
So far the deer have not eaten astilbes, heucherellas and digitalis.
Wild simulated ginseng would be neat. It has pretty bright red berries in the fall, and after 5 years or so, you can sell it for LOTs of $. THe less you take care of it the more valuable it will be. And it needs shade.
Thanks, I read that ginseng does well in woodland settings, and I did look for wild ones on our property, but didn't see any. Nothing wrong with planting some, though. And I bet the birds and other critters would spread the seeds!
If you were a little further south I would recommend Buckeyes (red and bottlebrush), Sweetshrubs, Gardenias, Hydrangeas, Alnus sweet sixteen, native hollies, native azaleas, and tea olives(actually a tree but many people grow it as a shrub). There are probably others but I grow all of these in shade or part shade.
hey do you have to wait until the foliage turns yellow for the celadine poppies to be cut down?? so they will blossom again. or do you cut right after they blossom??? or do i need to wait for them to go to seed??? i know to many questions!!! i really like my poppies and want them to spread so manybe i will wait for the seeds. Ronna
We do have buckeyes in our woods. I never heard of those poppies--I'll check them on plant files. Thanks!
Edit: It's spelled two different ways on several websites I saw. I checked after not finding it on Plant Files, for "celadine", but it comes up under "celandine". I wonder which is actually right? Anyway, here it is, for anyone besides me who isn't familiar with them:
I cut back each flowering stalk when I see lots of seed heads hanging on it. Cut it to the ground. The plants seem happy to send up more. The very best bloom is during the spring, but they keep a few blooms all summer for me.
I have read that bleeding hearts will do the same, but haven't tried it.
My celandine poppies are a little rambunctious.
They pop up everywhere and can overwhelm smaller woodland plants, if you're not careful.
But they are really beautiful and add lots of well-appreciated color.
I wouldn't think you'd need to buy more than one or two, since they reseed so avidly.
I have never heard this of the bleeding hearts... but certainly do not want to cut it down to find out... i love the plant to much... would love for it stay around all summer with the beautiful hearts... i know there are some that blossom all summer but really prefer the old fashioned ones... if you dead head the poppies to soon do they die??? i really do not want to loose them either!!! Ronna
i have Dicentra formosa (western bleeding heart), Celandine Poppy (wood poppy) & one of the ajuga's ( they all look alike )
taking over my front lawn
i mow them down on a regular basis starting in the spring and they just keep coming back :-)
the ones around the edge of the lawn of course look wonderful :-)
Actually, all the volunteer seedlings caused me to start the deadheading in the first place. That's when I noticed that the plants were determined to make some seeds!!!
I don't cut the entire plant back all at once, just a stem here and there as they finish blooming. Then more stems just keep arising and blooming, although not as pretty and full as the first flush.
My ligularia is in spot that doesn't get a drop of sun and it has these crazy orangy yellow wacky looking daisy like flowers during summer. also my variety is purple underneath the leaves for foliage color. Money plant also did well and had cute purple flowers with silvery seed pods to follow.
wonderearth you do not like the ligularia flowers??? I love them so do the butterflies!! Call me crazy, but I think they are beautiful...;) I have the big leaf othello I think its called, the brit marie, and a new little rocket... all three get those flowers on them and I love them all.!!! Ronna
I have trollius, heuchera, daphne, tiarella, azalea, camellia, laurel, rhododendron, aruncus, ferns, bloodroot, hosta, windflower, st. johnswort, astilbe, iris reticulata, monarda, arum, allium, hosta, philadelphus, hydrangea, bleeding heart, primrose, lily of the valley, daffodils, black cohosh, rose of sharon and many others blooming in dense shade Mary.
stormy- excellent list! I'm not familiar with camellia - so I looked it up sounds like a neat plant- but I get the impression that it better for a southern garden, so I am impressed that you are able to grow up north, I would love to see picture if you have one. Also I was not familiar with philadelphus, until I looked it up and realized it's a mock orange...I found a pic of the 'Miniature Snowflake' Oh, now I want one!
KyWoods- Have you thought about Kerria? I have Kerria ‘Albiflora’ growing and blooming out in the woods (a little dappled light) and I also have Kerria ‘Pleniflora’ which is a double orange/yellow flower, I just love it. I do have that one planted where it gets about 3 sun and bright light.
Shadyfolks, Greer Gardens has lots of cold hardy Camellias for sale. None of mine are in bloom now. They flower from November through April. The "Ackerman Hybrids" will survive most Ohio winters. I like them because they are also evergreen and have beautiful leathery shiny foliage.
I just planted 6 Kerrias. Got them very reasonably from Forest Farms. They are starting to bloom. It's so HOT I'm seriously behind on my planting. Of couse shade gardening is a blessing in this weather!!!!
You know I looked and I don't have a picture of any Kerria. Do a Google search the have lots of pictures of the plenifora (double). I don't know if it's my monitor or what but with my plant the blossoms are definitely yellow/orange and all the pictures to me just look yellow and are about the size of a golf ball. Kerria japonica 'Albiflora' looks like an old fashion single rose.
Also the pictures on the internet. I wished my plants bloomed like those! I am in the woods so mine get much less sun so they are not nearly as prolific in the bloom department, but they still put on a show.
Stormy-- congrats on your kerria, I am surprised they are blooming so late. Mine bloomed like a month or more ago.
As for the Camellias, I'll bet they don't do well around here. We live in a area that has lots of nurseries so I am VERY fortunate to have access to a large variety of plants and no one has it for sale. but I will have to ask around. I just might be passing them by.
Shady, We also have lots of Nurseries and almost no Camellias. I came across these three years ago and they are doing fine. There is quite a lot of information on the web about Ackerman Hybrids. I've heard of them growing in Minnesota! Apparently Mr. Ackerman from DC has devoted his life to bringing Camellias to the world. Nurseries tend to stock what sells the most. If I knew how to propagate one, I'd send you a cutting. Those beautiful blooms in January are worth the risk!!
I've just ordered another red beauty from Greer called "April Tryst". Take the leap!!
Yeah, Doss, I had read that article too and didn't realize that I owned two Ackermans. There's also a west coast hybridizer and some of their camellias for the colder zones are available at http://www.camforest.com.. I found the prices to be better at Greer. Maybe they'll get cheaper as they become more available.
Shady, I got those Kerria from Forest Farm and they came with buds on them.
I have several Ackerman camellias (and several other supposedly 'cold-hardy' camellias) that I've tried planting outside in St Louis area. Unfortunately, they really haven't been very successful. The leaves are so ragged through the winter, and the occasional blossom is stunted and deformed, but I'll admit they at least do bloom. The ones I keep in pots in the garage are fabulous (I haul them out on warm winter days and they look truly fantastic). The outside plants are still alive, but struggling, so I'm not sure if they'll acclimate and eventually do OK or not. My suspicion is that they still just can't tolerate our winters, despite zone ratings that suggest otherwise. I'd be interested in other people's experience in the midwest.
Weerobin, I was worried when I planted them, so I looked for the most sheltered spot. It turned out to be a bed along my garage & about 40' away from the next building. That whole section is under giant old spruces and is full of moss and virtually no sunlight. It's mushroom heaven!
I've tried to put mine in as sheltered position as possible also.
But, alas, I suffer from the peculiar brain delusion known as 'zone creep',
where I think I should be able to grow things at least 1 zone warmer than mine.
So my 'sheltered positions' are totally cluttered with horrified Zone 7-8 guys,
like edgeworthia, indian hawthorn, elliottia, illicium, osmanthus, loropetalum, choisya, etc.
Some thrive, some fail, and lots of them just survive.
But I still enjoy the endeavor.
Weerobin, I've been down that road, but got tired of my "Boulevards of Broken Dreams"! I still lose lots of stuff labled for my zone. I'm wind challenged, and the tags never address that factor. Lots of plants are impulse buys, with no research. We are suckers for beautiful things!!!!
Hi All, speaking of shade plants, my Hellebores which I planted 3 summers ago just started blooming last month. This is the 1st time they've flowered. Isn't this very late for them to be blooming? Also, they are over 18 & 20 inches tall. I've never seen any so big. They are one of the never varities with nuetral & peachy tones. Mary
My shade garden is looking depressingly green. Can anyone suggest some silver leafed plants? I'm not looking for ground cover. Last week I planted some ghost fern and they were promptly dug up and eaten by something. I ordered some silver brunnera, but also want something taller. Any suggestions? Had a lovely weekend scrubbing the mold off of the house. Mary
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/90848/ I have this "Variegated Japanese Knotweed" or "Speckled Mexican Bamboo" ('Variegata'
Polygonum cuspidatum), and it has made some babies. If you are interested I can see if one is small enough to mail. Like the person who posted the photo, I have had this at least 10 years, and it is not invasive (unlike some persicarias).
Does it have to be silver?
There are several gold or white variegated shade-tolerant plants (polygonatums, tricyrtis, asarums, etc).
And of course beautiful blue hostas, in addition to all the variegates.
And heucheras / heucherellas can also have quite colorful foliage in the shade.
I have a beautiful colony of white-striated disporums, which may not be exactly silver,
but stand out nicely.
Thank you, Weerobin! Those are great suggestions. No, other colors will do. I just planted some Toad Lily corms. I have some blue and chartreuse hostas that I can divide and move. I'd love to find some white ones. The Soloman's seal looks nice, I'll try to find a buy on the varigated one.
Does anyone grow Filipendula? It looks very nice for shade. I'd also like to find some golden dicentra.
I had some varigated artemisia limelight planted there, which was bright, but on the advice of other DGers, ripped it out before it could take over the garden.
Believe it or not, I have a spot under evergreens that even Chameleon plant wouldn't grow! I'm now trying ferns and hosta there.
I planted a dozen heuchera yesterday, but could certainly look for some more in other colors. These went into another shady area. My house is bordered with trees on 3 sides. I want some Midnight Rose. What other non-green Hueuchera do you all think would compliment it? Thanks, Mary
There are a bunch of new heuchera cultivars out now.
They are especially nice for us gardeners in the eastern half of US because they're more heat / humidity tolerant.
Plant Delights has a broad selection on their website (I don't know how to make a 'hyperlink').
Their prices are a little high, but they send nice quality stock.
Or you can at least get good ideas for your space from their website photos.
You might consider epimediums for the under-evergreen shade.
They do pretty well in dry soil w/ root competition.
Weerobin, Thanks for your help. I just ordered Heuchera Midnight Rose and Pinot Noir. I got them from Wayside Gardens as their buy one get two free sale is still on. I will go to Plant Delights as I'm sure I'll be needing more.
Thank you, I looked at the epimediums, there are a lot to choose from. I'll have to decide which one to try.,
That Filipendula hexapetal flora pena looks great. There isn't a PF page on this exact type. I ordered it from Bluestone Perennials.
Also, in another forum on shade, I found Spigelia Marilandica, which also looks good. There is a PF page on this and I found them for sale at Lazy S'S Farm.
I've also been reading about various trillium and will probably try one. If anyone has any experience growing any of these, it would be great to share them. Going to try the hyperlink on my next post!!! Thanks, Mary
There are some wonderful trilliums also, some w/ great variegated foliage.
I've got one who's foliage is stunning (I don't remember the cultivar name, but I may be able to come up with it.)
I'll try to get a pix of it this weekend (alas, I have a real job which limits my freedom during weekdays).
You'll love it.
It's not in bloom now, but the foliage is fantastic.
Thanks weerobin, I would love to see your Trillium. I went back & read that other shade forum and realized that it was in one of your posts that I read about Spigelia!! So you'll have to send us a picture of that too!!!!! Unfortunately work does get in the way of gardening. It must really be hard if you live in zones 9 & 10! Mary
Smokey, I have an aucuba which has nice rich foliage in shade.
But it has marginal hardiness in our zone, so I've never seen any berries here.
Stormy, I also took a pix of a variegated disporum in deep shade.
It may not look like it, but it's beginning to fill in. I think it will look nice.
I just planted it last year, but it's already twice the size.
I'll have to wait a year or two to see how it develops.
Weerobin, Thank you so much for the lovely photos. I looked for one similar to yours and found them with lovely yellow or dark red blooms. I went for the yellow. Ebay seller Clampam has them for significantly less than the nurseries. I've bought many plants from them & have always been pleased. Their shipping fees are reasonable and they specialize in woodland, wild & native plants. He also had some good buys on Turk's Cap Lillies.
Your disporum looks lovely. How tall will it get?
The epimedium search continues. There are some very beautiful ones at Heronswood, but they are pricey. I came across two interesting Heucheras, Autumn bride which is evergreen and has many large white blooms from August til frost and Snow Angel, which has silvery white leaves with tiny green specks. Thank you for all of your time!!
KY, That's too funny! And true!!! I have to stop buying this week or I'll still be planting into July. I'm focusing on my shade bed now, because it's what my deck faces. I have a lot of seedlings growing to go into my sun bed as they get large enough. There's just not enough time in a day!
Does any one have the "dragon tails"? I just bought it today.. Love the foliage and the flowers are so cute. Are they pretty easy to grow. How much shade can they take? It said part sun, is that right? Really cut plant. Does it get tall?? I know questions! Thanks for any remarks. Ronna
Ronna, I have a couple Dragon Tails planted last year.
They seem to be doing fine.
I saw an older specimen somewhere and recall being surprised it was as big as it was.
I know it's listed as a 'mini' hosta, but the one I saw was at least 10 inches tall, if not taller.
I took a picture of mine below.
Sorry to read about your poodle.I have 2 males myself,my whole family has poodles.It's real noisey when they all get together.
But about the shade problem, i have the same problem and my area is very dry, clay ground.Grass don't even grow there.I have hostas, ostrich ferns and elephant ears there.But they don't get very big just survive.Got some ideals from reading the replys to this thread.
KY, This thread has been great for all of us! Thank You!! Wayside Gardens sent their unpublished fall catalogue out on the web. There is a georgeous new shade plant in their called Thalictrum Hononse. It is purple, green and white.
Well weerobin. Mine is in a kinda out of the way spot. Some morning sun and mostly dappled shade until around 4 or so. Then shade. Im really looking forward to see how tall it will get. I forgot to read the tag. Will ahve to pull it up and read about it. Really looks great though. For just being planted. I have a question. I was moving some hostas this weekend. I thought i had a large enough hole for the roots and I accidently snapped off a large piece of the one hosta roots. There were still some long roots left but? Does everyone think it will die? I planted the snapped off root perhaps a new one will grow??? I know wishful thinking?? But it was quit large and Im mad at myself! Ronna
Ronna, despite our fussing over them, I think hostas are pretty darn resiliant.
Haven't we all done the same thing a thousand times?
I just planted the remnant of a jack-in-the-pulpit that I accidentally broke all the new growth from the root.
Oops! I planted it anyway and I'll be anxiously checking it to see if it survives or not...
You've done all you can, so you'll just have to wait to see how it goes.
It's part of the thrill of gardening, in my mind.
Let us know! I suspect it will be fine.
Stormy, I'm very intrigued by Wayside's new thalictrum introduction.
I've never heard of it before.
I LOVE thalictrums for my climate. They do really well.
I particularly like the low-growing varieties, but I've never heard of 'honense'.
Did you purchase it? How is it doing?
I'm trying to recreate woodland groundcover and thalictrums have done really well for me.
Below is thalictrum kiusianum.
But I have many other species of thalictrum that do really well in my woodland.
No, Weerobin, I haven't ordered it. I'm still considering it. Your thalictrum is lovely. I'm also still drooling over Heronswood's two Epimediums,Wushanense, which is evergreen and Franchetii. These 3 are still at the top of my wish list, because they are all around $20 per plant. I try to keep my purchases under $12 per plant.
Interestingly, another major supplier is selling the two Heronswood varieties for between $40 & $50 each!!!! I've recently learned that Heronswood has relocated their operations to about 25 miles from here. If I can force myself out of the Garden one Saturday, I'd love to go see these in person.
I agree on watching the prices. I wonder about the expensive plants: does that mean they are slow to increase? In which case I am less interested in them anyway, since I want plants that will made a bit of a statement in my lifetime.
Happy, I believe that these 3 are all recent introductions. You know how that affects prices. Heronswood's reputation is for quality, not mass production. Many of their items have been developed and grown by them. I suppose that Wayside's price is reflective of their acquisition cost and they may have an exclusive on this.
I find the price of plants to be like the cost of a trip to a beauty parlor. You can get a great "Do" for $40 and a lousy one for $100 and visa versa!!!! Unlike plants, hair always grows back!!
Happy, You are right on both accounts. This is probably what's happened to my beloved Daphne Cneorum. Suppliers don't want to have to be replacing plants. They can't make any money doing that. Maybe that's why new introductions are often expensive. They don't have any experience with the average home gardeners success rate.
I used to savor Heronswood catalogs throughout many a long winter.
Then when they were bought out, the remarkable variety of offerings has declined significantly.
But they still have some interesting things.
Stormy, I'm an epimedium fanatic.
And I'm a sucker for the unusual varieties.
I have a wushanense I planted last year. Looks great so far.
Huge spiny leaves. Flowers are nice, but nothing spectacular.
I'm mainly hoping for it to start to fill in as a foliage plant.
If you're interested in epimediums, check out Garden VIsion.
They don't have much of an on-line site,
but they'll mail you a catalog which is the bible for epimedium enthusiasts.
The newer introductions are expensive, but many beautiful cultivars are under $10.
There's one they are offering for $500!!
I'll try to read some thalictrum tags and give you an run-down on the ones that do well for me.
I find them to be very reliable with no special care.
And I'm embarassed to admit I'm not sure which thalictrum species are which.
I have several different woodland species (all range from 1-2 ft height).
But I'm not the greatest at keeping track of what I planted where...
Here is an example of what I like about them, but I'm not sure which species.
It forms a nice robust groundcover in shade.
This one is just starting to bloom (lower right edge of clump).
It is very charming when the whole clump is in bloom.
Not super showy, but I like it.
If I ever figure out exactly which species it is, I'll let you know.
Thank you Weerobin. They are lovely. I like the blue tint leaves of the Wushanense. Did it stay green all winter?
The other one is charming. I like the coin shaped leaves and the tiny flowers.
Right now, I'm putting a combination Hosta,Heuchera planting in the front of my shade bed. Maybe next season, I'll mix some of these in. I'll look through the catalogue when it comes, and may ask your advice on some. That Honense is calling to me!!!
The new plants are starting to arrive and I'm starting to ponder their placement.
Gardenlady, There is a Dragon Tails in the new group. We'll have to compare notes.
I'll wait a few days & if no one recognizes my plant, I'll post it to the ID forum. I know that I planted them last year, but can't find any notes on them. There are too many of them in one spot, maybe I'll like them better if I move some around.
At least we know they will bloom in deep shade. That photo looks like it was taken at night!!!!!
KY, This is your thread and we're not hearing much from you. Are you too busy PLANTING??????????????
LOL, just soaking in all the great ideas, and staying busy battling Bambi and bunnies out there! I guess it's time for a second thread--silly backwoods dialup...but it's all I can get out here in these Kentucky woods...