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aasalas
Lewes, DE
(Zone 7b)

June 10, 2007
3:00 PM

Post #3598127

I was browsing for info on some oriental poppies, and came upon several references to something called "minicap hybrids" or "super poppies" that are intergeneric hybrids bred by DeWelt, that purportedly bloom for 2-4 months, and withstand heat better than others. But I can't find any suppliers. The articles seemed to be from 2004-2006.

Anyone have a lead on what's going on with these?
Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

June 11, 2007
2:13 PM

Post #3601711

It doesn't look like they are available here as of yet...

http://www.plantaholic.co.uk/superpoppy.html
aasalas
Lewes, DE
(Zone 7b)

June 12, 2007
11:02 PM

Post #3607762

I posted the same question to the perennials forum at gardenweb.com and got this in response (I followed up with a note to the california forum, as directed; will let this group know if I hear anything).

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Posted by denisez10 SoCal (My Page) on Sun, Jun 10, 07 at 14:43

What a surprise to see this thread. As I do periodically, I did a search for the minicaps a couple days ago, and considered starting a thread identical to yours, but thought, nah, no one will remember. These minicaps were the holy grail for me when they came out -- oriental poppies that don't need a winter chill! This was in the middish '90s, I think. The minicaps were also supposed to have a much longer bloom season than the regular OPs. I bought one, lost it the first season, haven't seen them since. I even checked Ebay a couple days ago to see if maybe someone was selling divisions (they're supposedly sterile, hence the super blooming powers). They definitely had a big release here in So. Calif in the mid '90s, so maybe someone on the Calif. forum would have info. Bred by James DeWelt of Mohn's in Calif. Papaver californicum, among other species, were used. They sound terrific, but where'd they go?
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

June 12, 2007
11:15 PM

Post #3607803

My guess is that they were not as successful as hoped. I would love to see one, or a good photo of one, next to a regular oriental. Based on the fact that some plant people 'guard' their new hybrid plants a too little closely you may have to wait until the Plant Patent expires, that should be soon.

There was a grower of yellow clivia up around Monterrey Bay who grew them, but, never released them for a couple decades. Then someone got one and did tissue culture on it and you see them a lot more often. The first ones sold for $120 in the late 1990's now you can get a 1 gallon for $30.
Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

June 13, 2007
1:50 AM

Post #3608336

Ok, so does this mean that they really aren't all that "super?"
aasalas
Lewes, DE
(Zone 7b)

June 13, 2007
10:50 PM

Post #3611789

RE: so does this mean that they really aren't all that "super?"

That's what I'm guessing . . .
NoH2O
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 14, 2007
2:35 AM

Post #3612691

Between 1996 and 2001 I bought a number of Superpoppies from Mohns Nursery in Atascadero, Ca. They didn't bloom any longer than my other Oriental Poppies but they were vigorous plants with huge blooms of great substance. The colors were unique and covered a broad spectrum. In 2002 I received a letter from Mohns saying their poppies were now only available from Water Meadow Nursery of Great Britain (www.plantaholic.co.uk). I was very disappointed - they were the best poppies I had ever grown with huge root systems.

Maybe we need to find a DGer in Great Britain to do a poppy co-op (hint, hint).
bonitin
Gent
Belgium
(Zone 8a)

June 15, 2007
4:03 PM

Post #3618275

You could post this in the European forum and perhaps you will be lucky, NoH2O .
NoH2O
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 15, 2007
6:53 PM

Post #3618846

Good idea! Thank you.
JMSWilson
East Tennessee 6b/7a, TN

January 19, 2010
10:47 PM

Post #7477135

Super Poppy Heartbeat was available from Wayside Gardens and a couple of others last year, but I didn't order. Now I see it at Jung's for about $9.00 and at White Flower Farm for almost $18.00!!! It looks to be a fantastic burgundy red.
I wonder if I should try Jung's? Or maybe look for it some more?
Jeannette

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 21, 2010
9:45 AM

Post #7481384

glad I tuned in
This is good info.
caitlinsgarden
McGregor, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 16, 2010
4:08 AM

Post #7796695

I have decided that potted poppy plants are worth the extra cost, as I have had 0 luck with the last 6 bare root poppies I planted (wayside garden and spring hill). I have 2 healthy Patty's plum plants this year from plants last year, and I have ordered several different varieties from Khlem's Songsparrow this year. Their plants ALWAYS do well for me. Just wish I could find more varieties in pots.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 16, 2010
5:09 AM

Post #7796791

Klehm's is so far superior to either of the other companies you mentioned that it's not surprising you've had the most success from their plants. Just for those who haven't been there...http://www.songsparrow.com/2010/plantlist.cfm?type=PEONY,&subtype=all&startrow=1&pageType=plantlist

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 16, 2010
5:50 AM

Post #7796863

Check Garden Watchdog before you buy any mail order.
Both those companiesWayside and SpringHill havebad reputations.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 7, 2010
6:05 AM

Post #8248202

Latest S/P info. They are available from Burpee/Heronswood nursery.I purchased and planted about nine of these from Heronswood this past spring. None bloomed this year.The clumps are very good sizes. Looking forward to next spring to see the results. I will keep you posted. There's at least five out there listed as Super Poppies. I have Jacinth, Shasta and Heartbeat. Heartbeat came from Jung and the others from Heronswood.According to "darwinplants.com", Heartbeat and Snow Goose are super poppies. MikeB.
frankiesmom
Ellensburg, WA

December 8, 2010
4:00 PM

Post #8250673

Does anyone know if the super poppies can be planted bare root under the snow, or if they should be potted up, kept in a cool garage and planted in the spring?

Thanks for any help.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 9, 2010
6:33 AM

Post #8251457

Frankiesmom, in your zone it's best to wait until spring. It's tough enough transplanting these problem children during spring/fall like conditions. Mike B.
frankiesmom
Ellensburg, WA

December 9, 2010
12:40 PM

Post #8252033

Thank you, Mike B! I shouldn't have ordered bare root oriental poppies this time of year, but they are Super Poppies, Heartbeat and Snow Goose, that were at a good price, and I couldn't stop myself. I will put them in pots and coddle them until spring. This, if nothing else, will be a good learning experience. I appreciate your reply. ~ Jan

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 11, 2010
11:08 PM

Post #8255543

F/M where did you get these so late ? Mike
frankiesmom
Ellensburg, WA

December 12, 2010
12:56 AM

Post #8255570

Mike,

I purchased them from the Lily Pad Bulb Farm in Olympia, WA. I have always been very happy with their products.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 12, 2010
4:34 PM

Post #8256635

Frankiesmom, I checked out Lily Pad and found their prices very reasonable. How large was the bareroot plants? Mike B
frankiesmom
Ellensburg, WA

December 12, 2010
10:17 PM

Post #8257083

Mike B,

The crown of the poppy was about the circumference of a small carrot, while the tops of the three main roots were approximately 8 inches in length and about the size of my pinkie finger and they branched off lower into multiple roots that were about the size of chives. Hope that helps provide you with a fair visualization. I also, at the same time, purchased an own root tree peony, Blue Jewel (Lan Bao Shi) that I am very happy with.
timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

December 13, 2010
6:26 PM

Post #8258748

I bought some super poppies from lilypad as well and found the roots to look healthy. I have had little success planting bare root poppies . I will let you know how they come out. I also bought a bare root tree peony from them. (lan Bao shi) . It was very dry when I got it. I soaked top and roots in water overnight the protective covers over the leave buds came off ( I think the botanical name for it is calyx) but the leaf buds were green. I planted it and mu lched top and bottom heavily. If it doesn't make it , it was my fault.



HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 13, 2010
6:47 PM

Post #8258773

Most of my success with poppies are with potted plants. Got three four pack from Graceful Gardens in spring of 2009. I had 100% success rate. Got 12 Super O/P from Heronswood spring 2010. Before the snow covered them, I counted 11 doing well. hopefully I will get some blooms from them in 2011. Got four from High Country Gardens in fall of 09. Only one survived over the winter, which didn't bloom true to what was purchased. I got 3 replacements from HCG and I am happy to say they are doing well. "Red Shades" multiplied Quite a bit to the point that I dug some up and transplanted elsewhere. Looking forward to these blooming next spring. I will be in poppy heaven come May/June. LOL! Mike B

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2010
2:35 AM

Post #8259074

I love OP's Mike.
I was always leary of transplanting them and moving them but discovered this year, they do OK.
I am also looking forward to blooms in another location.
They were moved because they were planted too close to the garden edge and the lawnmower kept shreading the leaves.
Here's to 2011 for all of us. I hope you take pix of your Super poppies,I'm not sure I have ever seen any.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 14, 2010
7:43 AM

Post #8259509

Ge1836, I see pictures in my future.LOL! I start all my new plantings off with mycorrhizie, bonemeal mixed with humus/manure, peat moss and a pinch of Miracle Grow. I will be trying some new stuff next spring. One of which is Compost tea using John Evans from Alaska's concoction. Check this out. http://www.bountea.com/index.php?id=1&page=Home

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2010
9:13 AM

Post #8259672

OMG You are a real gardener.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 14, 2010
10:52 AM

Post #8259868

Ge1836. OMG! You are very funny! I am just learning as I go. Try to absorb as much as I can. Willing to try new things. Sound familar? LOL! Applies to gardening too.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2010
12:04 PM

Post #8259967

I was so impressed with the compost tea remark.
Now I realize you and I are at the same level.
tee hee

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

December 25, 2010
6:26 PM

Post #8276841

New Super Poppy!

http://www.heronswood.com/shop/20787?cid=2010_12_23_IntroducingNEW2011UnusuallyGreatPlants&

Merry Christmas one and all! Mike.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2010
3:26 AM

Post #8277044

That one is special.
AnnieG487
Edwardsburg, MI

January 8, 2011
8:00 AM

Post #8298858

I just found this thread - I just love oriental poppies. Years ago I had one called Springtime that I moved (different houses) three times. Unfortunately the third time it didn't make it. In searching for it on the web I discovered Water Meadow Nursery in the UK. Wow. Check out their website as Sandy Worth has a very good discription of the Super Poppies and wonderful pictures. I am hoping this year to purchase some from her. Unfortunately I discovered her too late last year to get them. Shasta that is available from Burpee, Jung and Heronswood is very close to Springtime - and yes I've ordered it. Water Meadow's website is www.plantaholic.co.uk

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 8, 2011
11:17 AM

Post #8299138

How beautiful Shasta is.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 8, 2011
5:12 PM

Post #8299605

GE1836 and everyone, if all goes well, I should have some pics of "Shasta, Jacinth and Heartbeat" this season from the super poppy series. Not to mention "Manhattan, Patty Plum, Turkenlouis, Coral Reef,Princess Victoria Louise, Great Red, Red Shades, Royal Wedding, Prince of Orange" and a unknown one that I got by mistake caused by the nursery. Got some more coming this spring but, that will be next years story. Lost Place Pigalle and Snow goose last year.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 9, 2011
2:06 AM

Post #8300074

I have some of those on your list.
Royal Wedding
Coral Reef
Prince of Orange
Princess Victoria Louise or Queen Alexandra I get them confused.I think PVL is pinker.
AnnieG487
Edwardsburg, MI

January 9, 2011
8:28 AM

Post #8300429

I have most of those on your list plus Aglaja, Ali Babba, Baby Kiss, Bolero, Carmen, Harlem, Manhattan, Raspberry Queen, Royal Chocolate Distinction (I hope - first ones sent me were orange), Watermelon. HazelCrestMikeB where did you get Shasta, Jacinth and Hearbeat? Hopefully I'll have pictures to share also if I can ever figure out how to get them here.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 9, 2011
6:16 PM

Post #8301517

AnnieG, I got Shasta and Jacinth from Heronswood Nursery which is an extension of Burpee which also carry them. I got Heartbeat from Jung Seed. This season Jung catalog is showing Jacinth and others available. It's not hard to get them here. If you use a digital camera you can transfer them to your pc and then browse for them from the box that you type the message in. If you are using a regular camera you can have them make a cd of all the pictures and transfer the pics from cd to pc and click on the "BROWSE" option here on Daves to go to the folder with your pic. If you need more help let me and the gang know.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 10, 2011
7:34 AM

Post #8302247

Here is a link to a very large list of Perennial Poppies, starting at page 118 thru 122.
http://www.ballhort.com/virtual/DC_009/index.html
AnnieG487
Edwardsburg, MI

January 10, 2011
12:40 PM

Post #8302843

Hazel - thanks for all the info. And the list of poppies. I want them all!!! I have ordered Shasta,Medallion and Super Star from Burpee; Jacinth and Remember Me from Heronswood. Can't wait for spring and planting time. Will try to post pictures this spring of those I already have.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 11, 2011
1:47 AM

Post #8303923

The site is very slow to load for me but thanks for posting it.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 11, 2011
6:29 AM

Post #8304188

Ge1836, it is slow due to the 164 page catalog.

Annieg487, I want them all too, within reason of course. A little here,
a little there.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 11, 2011
6:33 AM

Post #8304196

I also bought some seeds from "One Stop Poppy". Going to try my hand at that. Bought a couple blues and the white cousin. Got a free pack of annuals that I am going to sow outside this spring.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 12, 2011
2:58 AM

Post #8305968

Mike! Are your OSPS seeds for Oriental poppies? or Annuals?
I have had bad luck with OSPS somnifariums!!.Check Garden Watchdog.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 12, 2011
6:43 AM

Post #8306278

GE1836, I got Himalayan White Poppy, Meconopsis Lingholm and Hensol Violet. They gave me a free pack of Somniferum Pepperbox.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 12, 2011
7:42 AM

Post #8306390

I sowed Heritage, Lavander,Giant White,Lilac and maybe one other.
These are somnifariums and I have always had luck with them.
None of last falls sowing germinated and I figured it was my fault because I sowed too early.
Another grdener had the same thing happen. I wrote to her just to let her know but I never got a reply.
I changed my glowing review to a neutral from a positive.
Check out Garden Watchdog to see what the last date of reviews were and what the latest ones said.
I believe not everyone with a complaint leaves a review anywhere on GWD and many grievences are aired in the forums.
Good luck with your crop. I certainly am hoping for good results for the order I got from them this fall. If there isnt any germination I will definatly let GWD know.
I believed she needed to know if she was selling steril seeds thats why I left a review.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 13, 2011
6:18 AM

Post #8308089

Ge1836, AnnieG and fellow forumites, do you use the grow-thru supports on your Orientals?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 13, 2011
6:29 AM

Post #8308113

I dont use the grow thru if they are a grid pattern.because the emerging stems and leaves get stuck too easily.
I am not as diligent about watching out for misshaps like that.
I use Peony supports.I dont use the double supports on OP's just the singles.
If there is a spot where the after bloom growth is overhanging and spreading I use a 3 foot wide piece of decorative garden fencing I buy at HD.
Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

January 13, 2011
9:01 AM

Post #8308443

I find wintersowing poppies the best way to get them to germinate and then since they are in containers, you can move them where ever you want when it comes time to plant them in the ground.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 13, 2011
9:08 AM

Post #8308451

Have you ever winter sowed annual poppies?
Its important here to make the differentation.
I realize the poppy talk started with Orientals and has drifted to Annuals.

This message was edited Jan 13, 2011 12:16 PM
AnnieG487
Edwardsburg, MI

January 13, 2011
10:59 AM

Post #8308677

Mike -No I don't use grow thrus on my poppies. So far they haven't really needed it. They only tend to "flop" when we have a heavy rain and I don't think the grow thrus would help that much then.

Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

January 13, 2011
2:55 PM

Post #8309063

Yes, I have, but it's not usually necessary. If you have the place you want to plant them already picked out. Just take them out the end of February and sprinkle them on the snow and they should come up without a problem. I do that for California Poppies all the time.
timeinabottle
Louisville, KY

January 13, 2011
5:16 PM

Post #8309301

I ordered the super poppy collection from Burpees on Monday. I have had quite a bit of trouble growing O. Poppies from bare root, although no trouble growing them from seed. I called customer service at Burpees and they checked to find out how they come. They will be shipped in 4 inch pots.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 14, 2011
2:38 AM

Post #8309767

Seeds dont work for me. I need to see blooms too soon so I buy the plants.
Local nurserys dont have the really fantastic colors tho.
AnnieG487
Edwardsburg, MI

January 14, 2011
11:40 AM

Post #8310467

I've tried collecting seeds and re-sowing them but haven't had any luck with them. I'm like you ge1836 - I want to see bloom ASAP! Have you ever ordered from Garden Crossings? They send huge plants but their shipping charges are on the high side but I think they are worth it. If you keep checking their web site, they may add some more poppies. Last year they had some from the "New York" series but I messed around and ordered them too late so hope to get them this year. I'm also trying to order some from England. Their garden centers have so many more than any of ours do around here. Will let you know how that works out - if it does.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 14, 2011
11:53 AM

Post #8310488

I have ordered from GC and the plante bloomed 2 weeks later and again in the fall.
Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

January 14, 2011
2:07 PM

Post #8310665

California poppies are annuals and so they bloom first year and then they resow themselves. :)

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 14, 2011
2:09 PM

Post #8310666

This is off topic but I have to share
http://www.wimp.com/babyhummingbird/
Ticker
Lisbon, IA
(Zone 5a)

January 14, 2011
2:16 PM

Post #8310679

Yeah, that is really pretty cool. :)

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

January 16, 2011
6:59 AM

Post #8313192

Ge1836, that vid was sooooo nice I shared it with everyone.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 16, 2011
7:03 AM

Post #8313198

I tried to find out how the bird made out .
You tube has 2 vids. One was dated 2007. 3 years is a long life for any bird.
caitlinsgarden
McGregor, IA
(Zone 4b)

April 9, 2011
1:13 PM

Post #8483167

I want ALL of them! Planted a nice collection last year in a new spot, but my DH went wild with the snow plow right in that spot and I am hoping that they haven't been uprooted and languishing in a pile somewhere 20 feet from where they were planted!

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