I was browsing for info on some oriental poppies, and came upon several references to something called "minicap hybrids" or "super poppies" that are intergeneric hybrids bred by DeWelt, that purportedly bloom for 2-4 months, and withstand heat better than others. But I can't find any suppliers. The articles seemed to be from 2004-2006.
I posted the same question to the perennials forum at gardenweb.com and got this in response (I followed up with a note to the california forum, as directed; will let this group know if I hear anything).
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Posted by denisez10 SoCal (My Page) on Sun, Jun 10, 07 at 14:43
What a surprise to see this thread. As I do periodically, I did a search for the minicaps a couple days ago, and considered starting a thread identical to yours, but thought, nah, no one will remember. These minicaps were the holy grail for me when they came out -- oriental poppies that don't need a winter chill! This was in the middish '90s, I think. The minicaps were also supposed to have a much longer bloom season than the regular OPs. I bought one, lost it the first season, haven't seen them since. I even checked Ebay a couple days ago to see if maybe someone was selling divisions (they're supposedly sterile, hence the super blooming powers). They definitely had a big release here in So. Calif in the mid '90s, so maybe someone on the Calif. forum would have info. Bred by James DeWelt of Mohn's in Calif. Papaver californicum, among other species, were used. They sound terrific, but where'd they go?
My guess is that they were not as successful as hoped. I would love to see one, or a good photo of one, next to a regular oriental. Based on the fact that some plant people 'guard' their new hybrid plants a too little closely you may have to wait until the Plant Patent expires, that should be soon.
There was a grower of yellow clivia up around Monterrey Bay who grew them, but, never released them for a couple decades. Then someone got one and did tissue culture on it and you see them a lot more often. The first ones sold for $120 in the late 1990's now you can get a 1 gallon for $30.
Between 1996 and 2001 I bought a number of Superpoppies from Mohns Nursery in Atascadero, Ca. They didn't bloom any longer than my other Oriental Poppies but they were vigorous plants with huge blooms of great substance. The colors were unique and covered a broad spectrum. In 2002 I received a letter from Mohns saying their poppies were now only available from Water Meadow Nursery of Great Britain (www.plantaholic.co.uk). I was very disappointed - they were the best poppies I had ever grown with huge root systems.
Maybe we need to find a DGer in Great Britain to do a poppy co-op (hint, hint).
Super Poppy Heartbeat was available from Wayside Gardens and a couple of others last year, but I didn't order. Now I see it at Jung's for about $9.00 and at White Flower Farm for almost $18.00!!! It looks to be a fantastic burgundy red.
I wonder if I should try Jung's? Or maybe look for it some more?
I have decided that potted poppy plants are worth the extra cost, as I have had 0 luck with the last 6 bare root poppies I planted (wayside garden and spring hill). I have 2 healthy Patty's plum plants this year from plants last year, and I have ordered several different varieties from Khlem's Songsparrow this year. Their plants ALWAYS do well for me. Just wish I could find more varieties in pots.
Klehm's is so far superior to either of the other companies you mentioned that it's not surprising you've had the most success from their plants. Just for those who haven't been there...http://www.songsparrow.com/2010/plantlist.cfm?type=PEONY,&subtype=all&startrow=1&pageType=plantlist
Latest S/P info. They are available from Burpee/Heronswood nursery.I purchased and planted about nine of these from Heronswood this past spring. None bloomed this year.The clumps are very good sizes. Looking forward to next spring to see the results. I will keep you posted. There's at least five out there listed as Super Poppies. I have Jacinth, Shasta and Heartbeat. Heartbeat came from Jung and the others from Heronswood.According to "darwinplants.com", Heartbeat and Snow Goose are super poppies. MikeB.
Thank you, Mike B! I shouldn't have ordered bare root oriental poppies this time of year, but they are Super Poppies, Heartbeat and Snow Goose, that were at a good price, and I couldn't stop myself. I will put them in pots and coddle them until spring. This, if nothing else, will be a good learning experience. I appreciate your reply. ~ Jan
The crown of the poppy was about the circumference of a small carrot, while the tops of the three main roots were approximately 8 inches in length and about the size of my pinkie finger and they branched off lower into multiple roots that were about the size of chives. Hope that helps provide you with a fair visualization. I also, at the same time, purchased an own root tree peony, Blue Jewel (Lan Bao Shi) that I am very happy with.
I bought some super poppies from lilypad as well and found the roots to look healthy. I have had little success planting bare root poppies . I will let you know how they come out. I also bought a bare root tree peony from them. (lan Bao shi) . It was very dry when I got it. I soaked top and roots in water overnight the protective covers over the leave buds came off ( I think the botanical name for it is calyx) but the leaf buds were green. I planted it and mu lched top and bottom heavily. If it doesn't make it , it was my fault.
Most of my success with poppies are with potted plants. Got three four pack from Graceful Gardens in spring of 2009. I had 100% success rate. Got 12 Super O/P from Heronswood spring 2010. Before the snow covered them, I counted 11 doing well. hopefully I will get some blooms from them in 2011. Got four from High Country Gardens in fall of 09. Only one survived over the winter, which didn't bloom true to what was purchased. I got 3 replacements from HCG and I am happy to say they are doing well. "Red Shades" multiplied Quite a bit to the point that I dug some up and transplanted elsewhere. Looking forward to these blooming next spring. I will be in poppy heaven come May/June. LOL! Mike B
I love OP's Mike.
I was always leary of transplanting them and moving them but discovered this year, they do OK.
I am also looking forward to blooms in another location.
They were moved because they were planted too close to the garden edge and the lawnmower kept shreading the leaves.
Here's to 2011 for all of us. I hope you take pix of your Super poppies,I'm not sure I have ever seen any.
Ge1836, I see pictures in my future.LOL! I start all my new plantings off with mycorrhizie, bonemeal mixed with humus/manure, peat moss and a pinch of Miracle Grow. I will be trying some new stuff next spring. One of which is Compost tea using John Evans from Alaska's concoction. Check this out. http://www.bountea.com/index.php?id=1&page=Home
I just found this thread - I just love oriental poppies. Years ago I had one called Springtime that I moved (different houses) three times. Unfortunately the third time it didn't make it. In searching for it on the web I discovered Water Meadow Nursery in the UK. Wow. Check out their website as Sandy Worth has a very good discription of the Super Poppies and wonderful pictures. I am hoping this year to purchase some from her. Unfortunately I discovered her too late last year to get them. Shasta that is available from Burpee, Jung and Heronswood is very close to Springtime - and yes I've ordered it. Water Meadow's website is http://www.plantaholic.co.uk
GE1836 and everyone, if all goes well, I should have some pics of "Shasta, Jacinth and Heartbeat" this season from the super poppy series. Not to mention "Manhattan, Patty Plum, Turkenlouis, Coral Reef,Princess Victoria Louise, Great Red, Red Shades, Royal Wedding, Prince of Orange" and a unknown one that I got by mistake caused by the nursery. Got some more coming this spring but, that will be next years story. Lost Place Pigalle and Snow goose last year.
I have most of those on your list plus Aglaja, Ali Babba, Baby Kiss, Bolero, Carmen, Harlem, Manhattan, Raspberry Queen, Royal Chocolate Distinction (I hope - first ones sent me were orange), Watermelon. HazelCrestMikeB where did you get Shasta, Jacinth and Hearbeat? Hopefully I'll have pictures to share also if I can ever figure out how to get them here.
AnnieG, I got Shasta and Jacinth from Heronswood Nursery which is an extension of Burpee which also carry them. I got Heartbeat from Jung Seed. This season Jung catalog is showing Jacinth and others available. It's not hard to get them here. If you use a digital camera you can transfer them to your pc and then browse for them from the box that you type the message in. If you are using a regular camera you can have them make a cd of all the pictures and transfer the pics from cd to pc and click on the "BROWSE" option here on Daves to go to the folder with your pic. If you need more help let me and the gang know.
Hazel - thanks for all the info. And the list of poppies. I want them all!!! I have ordered Shasta,Medallion and Super Star from Burpee; Jacinth and Remember Me from Heronswood. Can't wait for spring and planting time. Will try to post pictures this spring of those I already have.
I sowed Heritage, Lavander,Giant White,Lilac and maybe one other.
These are somnifariums and I have always had luck with them.
None of last falls sowing germinated and I figured it was my fault because I sowed too early.
Another grdener had the same thing happen. I wrote to her just to let her know but I never got a reply.
I changed my glowing review to a neutral from a positive.
Check out Garden Watchdog to see what the last date of reviews were and what the latest ones said.
I believe not everyone with a complaint leaves a review anywhere on GWD and many grievences are aired in the forums.
Good luck with your crop. I certainly am hoping for good results for the order I got from them this fall. If there isnt any germination I will definatly let GWD know.
I believed she needed to know if she was selling steril seeds thats why I left a review.
I dont use the grow thru if they are a grid pattern.because the emerging stems and leaves get stuck too easily.
I am not as diligent about watching out for misshaps like that.
I use Peony supports.I dont use the double supports on OP's just the singles.
If there is a spot where the after bloom growth is overhanging and spreading I use a 3 foot wide piece of decorative garden fencing I buy at HD.
Yes, I have, but it's not usually necessary. If you have the place you want to plant them already picked out. Just take them out the end of February and sprinkle them on the snow and they should come up without a problem. I do that for California Poppies all the time.
I ordered the super poppy collection from Burpees on Monday. I have had quite a bit of trouble growing O. Poppies from bare root, although no trouble growing them from seed. I called customer service at Burpees and they checked to find out how they come. They will be shipped in 4 inch pots.
I've tried collecting seeds and re-sowing them but haven't had any luck with them. I'm like you ge1836 - I want to see bloom ASAP! Have you ever ordered from Garden Crossings? They send huge plants but their shipping charges are on the high side but I think they are worth it. If you keep checking their web site, they may add some more poppies. Last year they had some from the "New York" series but I messed around and ordered them too late so hope to get them this year. I'm also trying to order some from England. Their garden centers have so many more than any of ours do around here. Will let you know how that works out - if it does.
I want ALL of them! Planted a nice collection last year in a new spot, but my DH went wild with the snow plow right in that spot and I am hoping that they haven't been uprooted and languishing in a pile somewhere 20 feet from where they were planted!