Try not to take midday photos - the harsh sun bleaches everything out. Try for morning or evening. If you can catch the long rays of the 'golden hour' hitting the tree it will be a fantastic shot. That is one hour after sunrise / before sunset.
Thanks! The sun sets behind the trees though so it would work for the villa taranto but not the Tsukushi gata. These photos were taken about 5:00 pm. I'll try again this evening even later - or perhaps you are right and I should slog myself out of bed in the morning early. Heaven forbid!
Boy do they take one's breath away. Autumn Moon is fabulous with the flash.
Taking the Tsukushi gata in the very late evening washed out it's beautiful red but it was a good idea. Maybe i'll have to play with the flash.
victorgardener, what a lovely Shigitatsu sawa you have! I wish mine looked so bright and green. Do you have yours in full shade? Mine is in a pot on the back porch where it receives some morning sun and afternoon shade, but it's recently started to drop it's leaves. Some of them dried up, turned brown and fell off, while others are turning yellow and falling off. It's the same issue I had this time last year.
I'm just trying to figure out what this tree needs to keep it happy! Maybe it needs to be in the ground?
To be honest, I don't expect it to stay so nice. I had recently moved it to that location - mostly shade, from a full sun location. It was a part shade location until I removed a large Maple tree last year and was worried it would be too much. I have another one in a location that only gets AM sun and it's not nearly as bright and nice looking.
Here is 'kasagiyama' a couple of weeks ago. This photo was taken in the evening so the light was kinda odd. The color seems to be holding a peachy to light red color fairly well in filtered sun, but I haven't quite got the right light figured out as some burning has occured.
Strangely, my Villa Taranto gets plenty of sun and is mostly green at the moment. My Crimson Queen in the pot is also a lot more green in the spot it sits at the moment. It may move around to the back of my house until its future home is done, which *might* be next year. I have hosta beds to complete in the fall and I can only do a bit at a time as the heat is really bothering me this year...migraines. Oregon Sunset is holding its color fairly well at the moment but has been in the shade. I'm going to level out my future hosta bed this weekend if it isn't too hot, and get it ready for a nice lasagna bed in the fall when I have some leaves for it. I have some weeds to pull to compost too, so I may just mix that material into the future bed at the same time.
Ditto on mine it's potted and in full sun ( totally green and thicker leaves not nearly as linerloum -liked ...like Doss's) I had another one that was a 1 year graft ( I usually don't buy 'em that young ) that was planted out nearby the potted one ..it made it thru the winter in fine shape and thru the freeze as well .But after the freeze I got cold feet abnd dug it up and potted it ... It was red and had elongated leaves in the ground but green potted although the new leaves are red.and the leaves seem also to be thickening.. My larger, always potted, VT was somewhat red in the GH but as I said now totally green ...It may be the potting that is effecting color and leaf shape too much fertilizer, lack of it or whatever?? David
Laura, I also lost my Golden Full Moon last year. It lost all it's leaves by late summer, and did not come back this spring. And it was mostly in shade!
The Autumn Full Moon has been amazing. Mine gets morning sun until about noon-1pm and then it's bottom half is in the shade and it's top half is tall enough to continue to receive afternoon sun. Around 7pm it gets a little more evening sun. It hasn't dropped a single leaf and has color that ranges from a light yellow-green to the darker red I've shown in my photos.
It seems to be true to its reputation to be a lot hardier than it's fickle Golden cousin!
Sorry about your migraines Laura - I can relate having them myself. No gardening with a migraine.
And David I'm sure the answer to the different colors on the VT is "whatever". LOL
Very pretty tree Roxy and Victor. Love the beautiful colors. Roxy, if the leaves are a different color on just one branch the tree may be reverting or it may be a sport? I don't know if JM's sport like hostas do.
Autumn Moon is a better choice but I have to say it is not especially sun hardy either ...with time maybe...many trees over time, if they survive, get better sun tolerance..mine got 4 hours of morn sun and burnt badly ...in addition it tends to be sparce especially if it looses leaves i think it is a secondary bud ":challenged" ( many others have said the same as far as sparceness with AM... Mine succummed to disease from being weakened by da freeze. I may try another i don't want to black list it just yet ...and I do think it is a better choice than the golden full moon...but panacia... no way it will still need alot of care in most locations ... I might add every JM has it's promoters who have good luck with one "special not common" cultivar or another in their environs but that doesn't mean it will work for everyone or any one else for that matter ... There are some super hardy trees to both summer heat and winter cold and there are trees that just are a perfect fit for where you put them but I can say many will not work for alot of folks .. establishment and age are our only true friends the more established and older trees generally , not always , are best but even that critieia does not fit many JM's GFM is onegood example of a tree i would never recommend for most folks for sure ... as I said AM may or may not be "significantly " better ...David
I've been told that since I live in the Pacific Northwest that JM's should do better for me. Maybe that's the case with the Autumn Full moon, but I've killed a couple of JM's so obviously it's not good for every tree. It could be that my tree is of good size, as well, as it stands at least 5 feet tall. This is the first summer it's been in the ground (it was a gift to me last September when my beloved Roxy died ... therefore, it's "roxy's tree") so it will be interesting to see how the next few months go. We tend to have very warm, dry summers here, but so far it's been very low maintenance. It gets water when it rains or when I water the rest of the bed it's planted in.
That is a VERY nice tree hard to find them around here that size . I think it WILL do well out there that is where most are grown. You are in JM country you are lucky. Yours is nicely full but if you see picture of GFM's I think you will agree it is sparce in comparisobn thus my comment wnen using it as a substitute..it is NOT the same are even similar tree but cool in it's own right ...As I said FOR HERE I am a little gun shy ...but I will likely try one again ..for your area it should be fine ..again I don't think I have ever seen one that big ...it is really nice and should do well out there..David
Remeber Laura..yours might both grow differntly and may very well be much larger with time in your area...and will VERY likely need more shade...but placed right it should do fine ...the setting for that tree is nice as is the tree...David
Doss- for the time being, my Tsuma Gaki gets very little shade. Within about 3 years, it will be well shaded in the afternoon, but it held up pretty well all the same. A little crispy on the top, and the leaves are uniformly red on top, rather than tipped in red. My soil is pretty moist, though, so it has less trouble dealing with the sun.
That is my favorite spot in the garden, lovely to sit in the late afternoon on the bench and listen to the fountain just behind it.
I collected some seed, which I'm taking a shot at, and I tried to lift a seedling I found last summer, but damaged the roots too badly in the process. Next summer!
The spot I am planning to put it is currently shaded by a dogwood tree and a second one in the neighbor's yard. My dogwood is badly infected by borers and we believe it will eventually succumb, so I'm treating the neighbor's tree with the bayer product to prevent it getting infected, and plan to do the same with the other trees in my yard. The dogwoods are badly infected in this neighborhood, unfortunately.
I look forward to getting mine into the ground in the early spring.
Laura, per your request, a shot from last May showing spring colors. How's your Villa Taranto doing?
Doss, I'm impressed by my TG's sun loving ways as well! I have an 'Orange Dream' that got toasted by the end of summer. (We also had a long dry spell that was augmented by searing heat- ah, the midwest!) I have another cultivar with the same situation in the garden that showed no stress whatsoever, and it was a 3' whip from Forest Farm! (Either 'Kinran' or 'Tiger Rose') It really seems to be such a hit-or-miss kind of thing. My next door neighbor went through two JMs in three years, while mine just grew like a weed. Fickle trees, but so worth it! Your Tsukushi Gata is beautiful- are those leaves as thick and shiny as they appear to be?
How beautiful! Red foliage in spring is such a great contrast to all the green. And I love shiny leaves!
Now, the problem with this whole thread is that I'm now going to have to find somewhere in my overstuffed garden to squeeze in these cultivars!
Wellll, my Villa Taranto stayed green. It's on the sunny side of my house, which I thought would keep the leaves red, but it went green. Same thing happened with my Crimson Queen this year, but it's in a shady spot for now, so it wasn't unexpected.
I thought sun helped reds stay red, was that wrong?
Villa Taranto is still in a pot, like my Tsuma Gaki. I could still swap them out if Tsuma Gaki can handle more sun than I thought it would. TG is in the shade, and the VT is in the sun. I think height expectation isn't too much different. My biggest issue is that the planting plan has a small tree fairly close to the house, so I'll have to keep it under control, regardless of which one goes next to the house!
I have found here nearly all Jm's green out to some degree in the summer those that don't green out or bronze out...crisp out...even Bloodgoods...sometimes if the weather is right some will have a second flush that is red...I have no proof but I think humidity plays a big part in this...I have yet to see here any JM in mid summer that is bright or dark red period as it is in the spring even my larger trees are just bronze...being more in the sun for most just cause them to crisp more..I would assume the further south you are the worse this would be ...but in a perfect sweet spot it may stay "redder".David
I might add if the trees are under the correct % shade cloth as most nurseries have them they will likely can be kept in their red form at least in less humid ares liker they have in the west coast...so I guess if we shade cloth our back yard we can have purdy JM's in an ugly setting. Actually I plant on keeping most of my Jm's in a shade building I am putting up this year for the ones that aren't in my gardens..David
Doss thats why I think humidity has a part in this.You guys just don't have that overbearing humidity like we do..and age of tree helps I have found. I always laugh when folks come to see my maples mid summer ...they always say they want to see red ones ( don't ya have red ones) In fact it's sort of embarrasing to look at alot of the younger ones mid summer ... I tell them to come back in fall or better yet spring ;>)
Interesting theory, David. I'm not sure if I agree or not, but will have to keep my eyes open this summer. There are a lot of red JMs around, probably mostly Bloodgoods. I haven't noted if they get brassy in the summer, but we'll see!
Remember this little tree in the front? It's my Omure Yama. It's growing slowly but so pretty. I think in a few years, it will look stunning in Spring. The maple in the front left, and the Forest Pansy Redbud on the right further in, a red Japanese Maple...probably Villa Taranto, further down on the left, and the dogwoods in the back yard. Behind the dogwoods is a red camellia which grows as a small tree that blooms before everything else does.
The "crooks" by the tree are to protect it from the lawn guys until I enlarge that bed and/or the tree gets bigger.
Thanks! My yard is a long term project. I have little to no real grass, lots of moss, and weeds. :-) My JMs provide seasonal color all around the house, and I love them so. In the fall, I have color for several weeks when others don't.
We had several other dogwoods in the front yard and the neighbor's that died from borers. I've started using a bayer product that kills them systemically, but I may lose my lovely big dogwood eventually. It has some holes in it already, so I enjoy every spring I have it. The smaller one is in the neighbor's yard and I've been treating that one too as she can't afford to do it.
Thanks Della, I don't generally fertilize my JM's but I'll keep an eye open for the nutricote and will get some if I see it.
We have started seeing Nutricote now in small containers under the name Dynamite. From what I have heard it is much safer than osmocote and polyon and it doesn't dump near as bad when the temperatures rise. I think this is because the nutrients are homogenized within a porous material instead of being held in a plastic shell. The type we carry is a 9 month formula for our area, but I'm not sure how you can test its effectiveness. I will be trying some soon on some of my seedling JMs to see how it works.
I use it on my daylilies and they do just fine. ON the other hand I don't have a control group so I'm not sure what the results are. Be careful about over fertilizing your JM's. Some of them can get long whippy growth which has to be dealt with. Speaking from experience...
Thanks! A couple of my JMs are growing big time this year with no fertilizer other than what is in the planting mix! I cannot believe how big my Peaches and Cream has gotten, in particular. I may have to move it or pinch back some branches in order to keep it near my front door!
I'll keep my eyes open for the fertilizer, it sounds like a nice alternative to osmocote.