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I can't wait to learn how to do this! It seems anytime I've met someone who gardens by the moon gets great results. My sister gets her hair trimmed by the moon phases and it always looks great too, hmmmm!
Sorry can't help with this question. The only gardening by the moon I've done was after I read somewhere that tulip bulbs should be planted at the dark of the moon. Those who knew I did that made fun of me, then had to concede I had the best flush of tulips in town.
Wow, Philomel - thanks for those!!! Maybe if we don't get any "experts" per se, we can all read and make suggestions as to what we might want to do at a certain time?
I'm really excited about this - I had read about it recently in a GreenPrints publication and I was given a Farmer's Almanac for Christmas this last year . . . I hadn't done anything yet, but maybe this forum/thread will get me going.
I will be happy to help once I get a new copy of the Almanac...I didn't bother to get one this year since I knew there would be no planting in this yard this year due to the demolition...
Being Native American, my family has only ever planted according to the sun and the moon..Waxing or Waning does indeed make a difference...I will never forget one year it was supposed to pour rain on the day my GrandFather was to plant his peas... GrandMother told him to plant them the day before since it was dry, and he threw a fit...The next day he was out in the rain, planting peas, and had a bumper crop...LOL
i don't follow the advice in the farmer's almanac. i DO but a copy every year of
'gardening by the moon' availablle online because she gives not only the moon signs, but the astrological sign. a book i have had several years interprets all those other signs, so together they work for me.
i needed a tooth pulled a few years back and would not make the appointment until i read my book for a good sign. i almost didn't even bleed enough to make the clot necessary to keep from having a dry socket, and usually i'm a bleeder in that situation.
same thing fror haircuts, fishing, calving and a host of other things. the book is 'raising by the moon'... the complete guide to gardening and living by the signs of the moon. 2 nc men wrote it years ago, jack pyle and taylor reese.
my neighbor has weaned calves with some difficulty. someone told him to do it when the moon is in a sign below the knees... never again a peep from the calves separated from their mothers.
Thanks Tabasco for those links. I purchased a Gardening by the moon calendar last year, and the information on it was sort of sparse. I would like to see a more comprehensive calendar, which would suggest planting times, pruning times, weeding, and harvest.
I know that we have several native americans whose families have used this practice for many years, and would like to hear more from them. Dusty, thanks for your contribution, and I could mail you my copy of the almanac, if you will help us interpret.
I would like for us to compile a calendar all our own, to share here, and it is a very doeable project, if we get input from the general population at Daves. We have approximately 6 months to complete one for 2008. I know that we can do it.
We will need volunteers to do research, and someone to receive and compile data, and then we will talk about what to do with the data when we complete that phase.
Now, lets hear from those interested in participating in this project.
okay, i know my remarks above were ugly. but I have some of the VERY BEST information available about gardening by the moon, over several generations and several nationalities, and my remarks went un=noticed.
Quoted by Darius""over several generations and several nationalities, and my remarks went un=noticed.""
How do you figure that??? Today is a Holiday, and very few are online...Including me...I've been busy moving dirt all day...
You are right .. Your remarks were Ugly... and uncalled for within a 3 hour period from when you posted them to give others time to respond...
Darius, sorry if I offended you. I was away for several hours,and evidently we cross posted, or just didn't take the time to go back and read all of the posts. I didn't see your post until now. I didn't mean to single out any race, but just commented that most native americans have been doing this for years, and in my opinion, thought we could get some good help there. I will make an attempt to get that book from the library and read it. Since you already have a lot of information on the subject, I will ask you to be the first contributor and start us off on the right foot.
So, all sharp instruments are buried, and we will continue brainstorming.
Please anybody with any reliable information please start posting, and we will then evaluate the data and start compiling it.
Thanks Darius, I don't want us to get started on the wrong foot. Afterall, since we are here, we all are expressing our interest in the topic, Gardening by the Moon.
Let me clarify the statement in my above post. RELIABLE INFORMATION. I know that we have all had grandparents or parents who told us that planting, weeding or some other gardening endeavor was best done in the full, dark, light of the moon. That is good information if you have it. But we want information that can be verified. Not, someone told me that... You understand. So if you give information, please be able to verify it's source. We don't want half-truths to muddy the waters.
Thanks to all for you thoughts and suggestions so far. Now lets get brainstorming and see what we can find out.
i find the above links to be helpful. i hope others would too. if i am not mistaken a great majority of people in the orient do follow moon phase planting. i am sure, non of the old farmers from the Philippines have heard of almanac.com, one thing for sure their moon phase planting system has been pass on for generations.
i truly am sorry about my posted remarks yesterday, and sorry for everyone i offended. yesterday was one of the worst days (both physically and emotionally) of my life... bad enough that if i were so inclined i may have just done away with myself. i have asked admin to remove my post.
however, gardening by the moon fascinates me more every year as i learn bits and pieces and see them go from an abstract thought in something i've read into actual visual results in my garden.
i also work with the nature spirits (dusty will know) and one of my agreements is that the rabbits, deer, etc. are welcome to 10% of everything i grow. seldom do i lose any more than that eccept an unusual year of fungus.
when i start feeling better i will drag out my moon book and post some ideas.
Planting by the signs is a fairly straight forward operation. You plant aboveground crops (lettuce, peas, tomatoes, etc.) when the moon is waxing (growing) from New to Full Moon. Underground crops (beets, radishes carrots, potatoes, etc.) are planted when the moon is waning from Full to New Moon. However, true gardening by the signs is a bit more complicated.
On its 29 day journey around the earth the Moon passes (from an earthling's point of view) through all 12 signs of the Zodiac. These signs are divided into four broad Elemental groups: they're either Water, Earth, Air, or Fire. Those signs classified as Water or Earth Signs are generally considered optimal for planting and pruning for growth. Air and Fire Signs are classified as Barren Signs and are generally suitable for weeding, tilling the soil, and pruning for control of growth.
one year i made my own calendar from a big desk pad calendar, one sheet per month, and marked ALL the days and even times as the astroligical signs changed (including the moon void of course). it was a lot of work and actually more information than my brain could comprehend. at least i was smart enough to color-code it so an easy glance helped to know when to weed, when to plant root crops, etc.
i should do that again, hopefully before fall crops this year.
i need to run... been throwing up my meds for nearly 30 minutes now. sure wish i new which one is the culprit.
To garden by the signs, therefore, one plants when the Moon is both waxing and in a Fertile Sign; and weeds, tills, and harvests when the Moon is waning and in a Barren Sign.
In addition, one never plants on a Sunday. Sunday (named after and supposedly ruled by the Sun) is a fiery, barren day and therefore unsuitable for planting no matter the sign. Native Americans obviously have different reasons for this than the typical Christian beliefs that it is a Holy Day... Also, one never plants on days when the Moon is undergoing a phase change, ie: New Moon, Full Moon, or either quarter.
Below will be a list of the Signs of the Zodiac showing their properties and a brief description of what to do when the moon is in that particular sign. Numbers following the description denote the quarter of the Moon's cycle (beginning at New Moon) when the action described is best carried out.
Cancer - best time to plant aerial crops, or prune to encourage growth, or graft (1,2); plant seed (2), and plant root crops (3). It's also the best time to water since plants take it up more easily in a water sign.
Pisces - transplant or sow seed in this sign for vigorous root growth (2). Fertilize root crops or graft for best results now (1,2); or plant root crops (3).
Scorpio - best sign for planting seed (2), or graft or prune for growth (1,2); or plant root crops (3).
Taurus - transplant in this sign for hardy plants (1,2); sow seed (2); plant root crops (3); or prune to limit growth (4).
Virgo - till, cultivate, and turn compost heaps (1-4); garden pests and weeds are most vulnerable in this sign and pruning to shape plants is most effective (4).
Capricorn - prune for strong growth and graft in this sign (1,2); plant seeds (2); plant bulbs, tubers and rhizomes (3).
Leo - prune to shape shrubs in this most fiery of the fire signs (1); or cultivate and till the soil (1-4); this is the best sign to weed or control pests (4).
Aries - destroy weeds and pests (1,2); or till and cultivate (1-4); prune to limit growth, turn sod, and harvest crops for best keeping qualities now (4).
Sagittarius - till and cultivate in this sign (1-3); plant onions (3); or weed, prune to limit growth, or harvest crops for maximum keeping qualities (4).
Gemini - cultivate and till in this sign (1-3); harvest herbs and root crops (4); or weed for maximal effectiveness (4).
Aquarius - cultivate and till the earth in this dry, airy sign (1-3); get rid of weeds or harvest crops for long-term storage (4).
Libra - plant annual flowers (1,2); plant vines (2); flowers picked in this sign last longest and plants pruned now will keep their shape longer (4).
I'm interested in moon gardening also. I just purchased the "Raising with the Moon: Complete Guide to Gardening and Living by the Signs of the Moon" and "You and the Man in the Moon" By J. Pyle and T. Reese from Amazon. Since I know nothing on this topic I'm anxiously waiting to learn.
Dusty, sensational information - thank you! I will be printing it out and trying to make it work on my calendar. Gosh, not planting on Sundays could be difficult as sometimes that's my only free day!!!
Darius, I'm intrigued enough by your enthusiasm for the book that I am going to try to find it (library, or cheap somewhere). I do hope you begin to feel better TODAY!. Please take care of yourself.
Sempervirens, those sound good, too - now I have two more books to look into!
What all of you need to do is to get your correct Latitude and Longitude...The signs are not the same depending on Northern or Southern Hemisphere or other locations..
For example, it is Already tomorrow in Australia...
And you are right Darius...You MUST work with the Nature Spirits...For example, now that I am back up north, I feed my squirrels year round...They will not destroy your gardens if they are well fed...Rather than considering them a pest, I can enjoy watching them playing together in the big tree...
fyi... the gardening by the moon calendar is put out in 3 US versions depending on if you live in a short day zone, long day zone, and i forget the other one. still doesn't give enough info on lat/longitude but better than nothing.
don't forget that true north and magnetic north are moving farther apart. i think it's something like 12-15º now.
casey, your area of sc used to get about 3000 degree days but with our crazy climate changes that may have changed a bunch. (degree days are based on available solar radiation and certainly have an effect on a garden as much as moon signs in my limited knowledge.)
Well I gotta tell ya DCat...Us NDN's didnt know Capricorn from Leo... We just went by the waxing or waneing of the moon..So I wouldn't get too cotton picken picky here.. LOL
There are still a few of us surviving, so I guess we didn't do too badly...ROFL
i have lakota and cherokee friends, and have actually sat in the main chickee in Big Cypress with Mike Osceola or maybe it was Jimmy, i forget which as my dad knew them both. for a small red headed girl child to sit up with the elders in the chickee was quite an honor.
Seems there'd been several folks here on DG.com, that had shown interest in 'gardening by the signs' .. since some time ago! > http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/175331/ .. and, now; finally - it's been delivered!!
Interesting to note .. . . . the Zodiac Signs (not constellations) for the moons place are used for astrological calculations to determine the best times to plant, best fishing, lucky days, and horoscopes, etc. * Since the Zodiac Signs were first used around the year 1300, the Signs have moved slowly backward along the path of the Sun approximately thirty degrees, which means that the Sign of Aries now contains the constellation Pisces and the Sign Taurus now contains the constellation Aries, etc. Most astronomical observers use the constellations, which can be readily calculated from the Signs by going backward one symbol.
(Yep, I'll admit: I gotta put that in the food-mill 'brain processor' a few extra times, these days!) .. lol ..
Also, along with the length of the particular growing season different folks may have (short, medium or long) - tis vital to remember to consider ones' local frost dates (first and last).
I'm sure that there are a multi-slew of varying factors that come into play for (global) implementation of gardening (and otherwise), 'by the signs'.
luvs, i just wrote a very long responsive thread and it went poof. machelle small wright wrote 2 books (garden workbooks) that explain nature spirits quite well. i think her site is http://www.perelandra-ltd.com.
i cannot possibly re-write what i tried to explain, and it's very tough for the average person to understand anyway without some background. i think that's why dusty gets it... she grew up with it.
Darius - you had mentioned a 'very good book" about gardening by the signs. Can you give us the Title and author
? I would like to get a copy.
Here is Pa. Many folks think that if you don't believe in the Almanac, you don't believe in the bible. Sounds odd, doesn't it? I guess it may have been the older folks "Bible" for planting and butchering and so forth. ( The Pa. Dutch)
I do use it for planting seeds and transplanting, and rotortilling, and harvesting, etc, etc. I like to live "in tune" with the natural circles.
I gather you have had surgery - sure hope you are feeling better.