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gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2007
2:13 AM

Post #3726013

This is driving me nuts...Our dryer is super-big capacity and does great for drying clothes. But comforters and sheets end up in a giant, tightly-rolled wad after only a few minutes in there. I've tried those rubber dryer balls, so don't even mention 'em. LOL What can I do to dry this stuff, short of hanging it up to dry it?

This is a big, king-sized bedspread:

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vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2007
2:17 AM

Post #3726020

Mine is not super duper big capacity, but this happens when I have very few or 1 item that I want to dry. It just tangles into a wad.

Might be worth calling the mfr to see what they say. But it does happen to me w/ my older whirlpool dryer.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2007
2:20 AM

Post #3726031

Thanks for the reply, Vossner. I wish dryers would rotate one way for a few cycles, then go the other direction. Our front-loader does this and it does a great job of things.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

July 12, 2007
2:24 AM

Post #3726048

I have a super capacity dryer also... putting more items in does not help... just a bigger wad of stuff... don't have an answer for you... sorry

Allison
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2007
2:34 AM

Post #3726087

These things are great for big loads of bluejeans or towels -- individual articles of clothing -- try and dry a big comforter or bedspread. I reckon we should put up a clothesline? Then I'll have to clean bird poop off the linens. LOL

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

July 12, 2007
2:38 AM

Post #3726104

maybe a small pillow with the comforter?
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2007
2:50 AM

Post #3726152

I might try that. I just know the dryer balls end up in the wad. I suspect a pillow will get wrapped up in the mess, too. Can't hurt to try, though.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2007
2:55 AM

Post #3726167

GW -- i too have the same problem. I'll go down half way through the cycle and shake it out to "untwist" it.

BUt I have to say, it doesn't do that all the time. IF i'm doing only sheets, duvet -- then yes... but i think if I have towels in there too, its not as bad.

sometimes it's so twisted up in knots it's frustrating... and things get caught in the "deep pockets" too.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2007
2:56 AM

Post #3726169

gardenwife, looks like you've touched a nerve here, lol

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2007
3:00 AM

Post #3726193

LOL...UG, i dont even wanna think about it!!

I wonder why it's so different? when i had my "normal' sized Kenmore (at my last house) i never had this problem... and for the BIG stuff, you'd go to the laundomat - where they have big over sized driers -- and it didnt happen there.

Next time i wash my sheets -- I'll pay closer attention to if they wad up or not...and what i may be doing differently, cuz it doesnt happen all the time.
Magpye
NW Qtr, AR
(Zone 6a)

July 12, 2007
3:14 AM

Post #3726249

Heck .. As sure as I'd throw some other lil item in there with the 'big' shtuffs (like a small pillow in with a blanket, spread or comforter) - they'd just roll up around that too!! .. LOL ..

My only resolve has been to set my dryer for a few minutes at a time: like 10 minutes or so (to prevent wasted energy) - and make a point to yank it out, plump it about a bit and chunk her back in there for another 10 minutes or so. Then, repeat .. as necessary.

My king bed sheets don't have near the problem tho' - unless I chunk the fitted AND the flat sheet in, together! Gotta keep'em separated, or they'll tie up in fights! (hee)

Apparently, a lot has to do with the greater mass and weight of such items as spreads and comforters ..

Wish you 'luck', GW ...

- Magpye
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 12, 2007
3:32 AM

Post #3726309

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one driven to distraction by 'em. Some of our comforters did wad up at the laundromat, come to think of it. They were the huge dryers. I know I about burned myself a few times when taking them out to re-arrange them!

I finally gave up tonight and just hung the heavy cotton bedspread over the clothes rod we have in the basement. At least there's a dehumidifier going, so it will have help drying. But I have a fluffier comforter in the wash right now. Ugh. ;)
elsie
Lafayette, NJ
(Zone 6a)

July 16, 2007
12:51 AM

Post #3740181

I don't have a dryer. Remember when they used to tell you to put clean tennis shoes in the dryer with a down comforter to keep the down from being lumpy? I wonder if something heavier like a clean tennis shoes might keep the large blanket or sheets from tying themselves into a knot.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 16, 2007
1:55 AM

Post #3740436

CLEAN tennis shoes...What a concept. Goodness... ;)
elsie
Lafayette, NJ
(Zone 6a)

July 16, 2007
2:01 AM

Post #3740468

Now I'm thinking it might be new tennis balls? Racquets?
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 16, 2007
2:09 AM

Post #3740493

I was going to say, I'd have to wash mine several times! ;)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 16, 2007
12:26 PM

Post #3741554

i've done the gym shoes in with comforters before... can't recall if it made a difference at all though. and the tennis balls are pretty much the same concept as the "drier balls" -- mine just get stuck inside the "wad" -- and usually suck inside the 'large pocket corners' of the bottom sheet. dont think those balls do much good with bedding.
Sashagirl
Davenport, IA
(Zone 5a)

July 16, 2007
12:38 PM

Post #3741583

Kimberly,

Tennis Shoes do work, but 3-4 kids tennies work better, for me. I picked up a couple new pair for a quarter/pr. at Goodwill a few years ago.
That's all I use them for.

Something to consider...and a cheap solution

It's not a "perfect ", but helps a lot, especially with the down comforters.

A few weeks ago, I got the bright idea of throwing my Crocs in with the comforter. bad Idea-they shrunk! Can you believe it?! I was so ticked. lol


Sasha

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 16, 2007
12:58 PM

Post #3741622

OH Sasha -- that's horrible!! Who'da thunk it?
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 16, 2007
2:36 PM

Post #3741958

Oh, wow...I'm surprised you didn't smell burnt rubber! LOL The dryer must have broken down all the little air pockets that keep the foam so resilient.
lindagarden
Gilbert, AZ

July 17, 2007
6:13 PM

Post #3746887

I have the same problem. And the trouble with them wadding up is that they are so wrinkled you almost have to iron them. I have tried the tennis balls with sheets. They weren't big enough. I will have to try the shoes. It is the sheets I have the most trouble with. If anyone does come up with a solution, let us know.
Have a good day!
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
6:24 PM

Post #3765906

If the back of your dryer drum has 2 indentations, then get this accessory. I put quilts, etc on it and they just dry - the drum spins around it but the rack remains stationary - works like a charm :)

I take the rack out for the last 5 minutes and let it get fluffy with a clean sneaker.

Dea

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gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2007
6:55 PM

Post #3765994

Oh, wow! I am going to go look. LOL
Magpye
NW Qtr, AR
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
6:59 PM

Post #3766002

Dea .. [quote]If the back of your dryer drum has 2 indentations ..[/quote]
My dryer has two indentations into the SIDES of the rotating drum ..

Mite there be any chance that you'd be willing to re-install your shelf into your dryer and take a few shots of how its' positioned/how it 'sits' and share them [here] also, please -?-

For the life of me, I jes can't seem to get a good 'visual' .. LOL

I, for one .. would appreciate it.

- Magpye
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:07 PM

Post #3766027

Sure - here's the inside of the drum without the rack...

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Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:08 PM

Post #3766030

And with the rack installed ...

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Magpye
NW Qtr, AR
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:15 PM

Post #3766058

Ah-hah! ..
Those .. really helped a bunch!!

Thank you so much, Dea.

- Magpye
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:19 PM

Post #3766066

fyi - our dryer is a 9 year old Amana with no bells or whistles except for the rack. I just used it again today to dry a delicate quilt for my MIL that she would have spent a fortune on sending out to a cleaner...not to mention the chemicals - UGGGHHHH.

gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2007
7:24 PM

Post #3766076

Hey, I see a couple of dimples on the back of the drum! Woot! They're not very deep - does that matter?

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Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:30 PM

Post #3766098

I wouldn't think so - even if the manufacturer doesn't have an accessory, I'm thinking you could devise something that will clear the paddles if your dryer has them. Something like a cookie cooling rack?

Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:43 PM

Post #3766120

Maybe something like this? http://www.partselect.com/xq/aspx/Inventory.82319/qx/PartDetail.htm?SourceCode=6#

This is a great site that's broken down by manufacturer :)

Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:48 PM

Post #3766131

This one seems to fit most models that are 29" wide and have an "E" at the end of the model number. Hope this helps everyone :)

http://www.partselect.com/xq/aspx/Inventory.346849/qx/PartDetail.htm?SourceCode=8

You can tell that Sunday is laundry day here ;)
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2007
7:51 PM

Post #3766145

I'm thinking my dimples are farther apart than 4". I will take a photo, nerd that I am (too).
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
7:52 PM

Post #3766147

Taking pix of our dryer innards...homemaking nerd here raising hand ;)
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2007
8:07 PM

Post #3766194

Okay...Here's the scoop. Our dryer is a Maytag Performa (low end!):

Model PDET920AYW,
Serial number 11288822JL

Behold. Dimples, shallow though they are. They're probably about 12-16" apart. Maybe. Nope, didn't measure!

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tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 22, 2007
8:21 PM

Post #3766239

never even considered that... i'll have to check mine for holes/slots/dimples
i've got a Neptune

my old Kenmore had that shelf.. it was great. I really do miss my old washer and drier [left'em when i moved]
though the ones i have now are MUCH larger, so it really cuts down on my wash time.
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

July 22, 2007
8:24 PM

Post #3766255

Kimberley - would this work? http://davesgarden.com/forums/p.php?pid=3766120

gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 22, 2007
8:32 PM

Post #3766281

That might work - just might. I really ought to measure in there. I'm not going to do it right now, but it's on my list. Right now I'm editing photos. :)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 22, 2007
9:10 PM

Post #3766412

GW -- Priorities...

;-)
jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 24, 2007
3:35 PM

Post #3773307

BTW, even a dryer that autoreverses won't solve this problem. We have the ultra-fancy F&P topload dryer, which autoreverses automatically. It works nicely on everything but our CA king-size, extra deep pocket sheets - just like in the photo, the fitted sheet catches the flat sheet and pillowcases inside and wraps itself into a wad.

Now, it doesn't do it every time, and it certainly happens LESS than with our old Kenmore heavy-duty dryer. But I'd say about 20-25% of the time, it still happens.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 25, 2007
12:00 AM

Post #3775380

Well, I don't miss out on having a fancy dryer, then. LOL! If I'm gonna be frustrated, at least I paid under $300 for the thing. ;D

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 25, 2007
2:22 AM

Post #3776067

OH -- dont get me started on these "fancy" appliances!! they all have these computer boards/chips in them that fail at around the 3 year mark, and NOT cheap to replace.

my washer and drier went in the same week and my Frig [another Maytag] went a year later!!
so much for that Maytag quality... that 'ole repairman just doesnt sit around anymore... he's workin' like dog!

Just gimme a washer and drier with push buttons and turn knobs and i'll be a happy camper.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

July 25, 2007
2:40 AM

Post #3776137

That's why we stick with lower-end machines with manual dials. The electronics are very pricey to fix out of warranty!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 25, 2007
3:38 AM

Post #3776368

...and the warranties are laughable... that's them [the repair companies] laughing all the way to the bank.
kyjoy
Frankfort, KY

August 7, 2007
3:47 PM

Post #3828501

I washed and dried a light-weight duvet yesterday. I spent 30 minutes trying to untangle it. Finally my brother stepped in and got it undone. But, like you say, it was so wrinkled I got to wet it again and hang it out on the line. Smells better anyway.
haighr
Laurel, DE
(Zone 7a)

September 6, 2007
11:40 AM

Post #3943066

Let me say how glad I was to see the photo of what I refer to as my "turd" laundry. It drives me so crazy that I have taken to drying the sheets on the line all the time instead of occasionally.

Thanks Dea as I have a relatively new Maytag and it has that clothes rack but I have never used it. I will give it a try with the next load of sheets and see how that works. I have the FL washer so the clothes spin out almost dry in the first place so perhaps the rack and a short cycle will remedy this problem.

Thanks Kim!
Candee
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 6, 2007
2:48 PM

Post #3943629

Out of curiosity I called 2 mfgrs and they both gave me the same solution: to add a couple of towels or a couple of jeans to balance the load. Sheets are considered "light", heavy items such as towels help balance the load.

I will try that next time and will report here accordingly.

gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 6, 2007
3:26 PM

Post #3943757

I've tried putting heavier stuff in with them and they end up the filling within the blanket burrito. LOL
haighr
Laurel, DE
(Zone 7a)

September 6, 2007
6:38 PM

Post #3944330

Will be awaiting the report! Thanks.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 6, 2007
9:34 PM

Post #3944860

>>the blanket burrito

OMG gw... that is so funny!!

I did a huge load of sheets the other day...
1 set king, 1 set queen and 2 sets single

and i didn't have it all rolled into one... it turned out pretty nicely.
it definitely was not twisted.

Been a while since i washed the duvet covers...
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 6, 2007
9:46 PM

Post #3944887

Well, that's pretty much what it is - a big burrito! LOL!!

This blanket is a heavy, HEAVY bedspread for a king-sized bed. It's huge and very dense. The towels and jeans might help with our sheets, though. I'll have to try that.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 6, 2007
10:10 PM

Post #3944937

I have a King size quilted denim bed spread... it must weigh about 30 pounds... or atleast it feels that way.

that thing i have to take out of the drier at least 3 times to unroll, untwist, etc to get the thing to dry.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2007
9:00 PM

Post #3963711

so-so report:

I put a queen-size sheet set in the dryer with a pair of jeans and one towel and set on delicate drying, they did not wad. However, since I didn't remove the clothes right away, I decided to "freshen up" and set them on high for 10 min. I had a wad!

I think that a setting where they tumble slowly (such as delicate drying/perm. press drying) is more effective than just adding "heavy" items such as jeans, towels, etc.
Bubba_MoCity
Missouri City, TX

September 11, 2007
9:40 PM

Post #3963859

A scientific test - good thinking, vossner.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2007
10:34 PM

Post #3963989

>>delicate drying/perm. press drying

Hmmmm --voss, not sure if i have settings like "delicate"
I'll have to go check.

vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2007
11:02 PM

Post #3964069

tcs, whatever setting makes your dryer tumble at a low speed should do it. These are just the names on my machine.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2007
11:19 PM

Post #3964123

nope -- i dont have "speed" settings, only heat settings.

in the manual, for "laundry tips" for bedspread and comforters... "May require repositioning to ensure even drying"

doesn't say anything about "drier wad"
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 12, 2007
12:04 AM

Post #3964255

"May require repositioning to ensure even drying"? Yeah, that's one way of putting it! Hah!
haighr
Laurel, DE
(Zone 7a)

September 12, 2007
2:00 PM

Post #3966207

Report,

Tried the sneakers for one load king sheets, don't leave the shoestrings in if you try this at home! I had a wad around a shoe with shoestrings tangled in a bundle!

So, I tried adding the towels, believe it or not not one single towel wound into a wad ONLY the sheets were in the wad! Now go figure?
Candee
carri895
Moulton, AL

September 16, 2007
2:09 PM

Post #3981141

Hello. Just found this forum when I went looking for a way to solve the bunching up problem in my dryer. Who knew it had a name? I thought maybe my dryer was off balance or something. Thank you for letting me know I'm not doing something wrong.

I will be looking for one of those shelves. I've already tried the towel thing, the tennis shoe thing (with and without laces - learned that the hard way ) and the pillow thing. The very large comforters, bedspreads and duvet covers still get wadded up, no matter what I do. Thank you for posting about that shelf. Mine is also a super large capacity.

Someone posted about wanting a washer and dryer without all the electronic gew-gaws...you might take a look at Speed Queen. Very reasonably priced, buttons and dials instead of electronics, best warranty in the business and washers and dryers are all they do. I wanted a commercial quality set because I have lots of dogs and I use old comforters and blankets as crate pads and furniture covers. I wash a lot of big loads. Often. Except for the "dryer wad" problem (thank you so much for that moniker!), I have been extremely happy with mine.

One of the things that convinced me to go with Speed Queen is the fact that the laundry mat in my town has some gold colored Speed Queens still in use. They haven't made a gold colored appliance in 30 years. And these things still work - and work well - after having been in a commercial setting for that long. The company assured me that the washers and dryers for home use are exactly the same as the ones used in public laundry mats...just without the coin operated thingy.

Jeeze...I sound like an advertisement for Speed Queen, don't I? Sorry. Just want to add that I went with a gas dryer since my house is already plumbed for natural gas. It really does dry faster than my old electric one. Even with the wadding problem, most of my comforters are dry in about 40 minutes.

Thanks again for the great info!

Beth

vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 16, 2007
4:30 PM

Post #3981593

Beth, I think you are right about using a drying shelf. I'm seriously thinking about getting one myself.

W/Ds do get out of balance from time to time and you can ck it by placing a level on the appliance, then adjusting the legs as required.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 16, 2007
11:52 PM

Post #3982841

Beth,

thanks for the tip on Speed Queen.

Hopefully my Maytags will last a long time... they always used to (hence the Maytag repairman that never worked in those commercials) -- that is why i went with maytag -- reputation (my mom had one that was still running after 25+ yrs, and my old one - purchased in 1989 is still running)

SO... hopefully this one will run til i move, then i'll look into Speed Queen... anything without all the electronic gew-gaws
carri895
Moulton, AL

September 17, 2007
2:03 AM

Post #3983320

My old GE's lasted 25 years. But the last couple of years I was having to really baby the dryer and it took forever to dry anything. I was doing laundry for a week every time I changed the dogs' bedding. Now I'm done in a couple of days.

I called the Speed Queen company when I was shopping for my washer and dryer. I thought I might like a front loader instead of the top loader I had always had. Interestingly enough, they told me that with the kind of loads I do most often - with the dog hair and dirt - that I would be better off sticking with a top loader. They told me that the pump on a top loader doesn't have to work as hard as one on a front loader and I wouldn't have as many problems with it getting clogged up.

I think they were right. I have a friend who got one of the Maytag Neptunes with all the bells and whistles and he's replacing his pump about every other year. And both my washer and dryer didn't cost as much as just the washer he got.

I'm with you on the no electronics thing. I don't even like that in my vehicles and that's getting harder and harder to find. I wanted a self cleaning gas oven - can't find one without an electronic touch pad. Oh well, I don't use it much anyway. LOL!

Beth
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 17, 2007
4:22 PM

Post #3985169

I didn't know that about top loaders being better for such loads. We have dogs and cats, so hair's an issue for us, too.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 17, 2007
9:40 PM

Post #3986177

better report

I did a set of queen sheets today but did not dry. Then washed a load of reg. clothes, added the the wet sheets and voila. No dryer wad. I guess this is what I'll do from now on. Combine sheets with a load of clothes.
Dea
Frederick, MD
(Zone 6a)

September 17, 2007
9:49 PM

Post #3986192

LOL !! Go ahead and google: clothes wad in dryer

Yup, this thread is #1 :)

gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 18, 2007
1:29 AM

Post #3987064

Well, ya know, what can I say? I have my hand on the pulse of the people. ;)
Tantrum
Fort Worth, TX

November 20, 2010
1:45 AM

Post #8221319

I was so glad to find this discussion and realize I'm not the only one frustrated with this dilemma. I'm going to try that suggestion about the rack. I have a couple of other ideas in mind that I want to experiment with. If I have any luck, you can be certain I'll post here.
hamptonmeadow
Lakeville, MN

March 28, 2011
5:12 PM

Post #8456915

Maytags are notorious for being wrecks these days I have heard on appliance forums.

Speed Queen is a very good washer and dryer.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

April 24, 2011
7:56 PM

Post #8518580

speed queen is a maytag item. you'd do better with an estate by whirlpool.
DrPepperTech

May 7, 2011
4:14 PM

Post #8546350

Speed Queen and Maytag are not the same company. I believe they were together back about 30 years ago or so. But Speed Queen is made by Alliance Laundry Sytems in Ripon Wi.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

May 7, 2011
4:24 PM

Post #8546362

DrPepper, I don't know where you get your info. Alliance Laundry Systems only makes commercial machines. All the Maytag machines with models beginning SAV are speed queen household machines. Maytag also owns the Amana line.
Diagonal
South Tucson, AZ

August 16, 2012
9:13 PM

Post #9244221

8-16-12 -- My solution to de-ball sheets is to fold them loosely and lay them diagonally across the bottom of the dryer, so the ends rotate out of sync. It works about 50% of the time. My GE dryer doesn't have a rack, but I'll try (1) folding the sheets flat as if putting them away, and (2) drying them at the knits/delicates heat instead of permanent press. Thanks to all for the idea exchange. :-))

Domehomedee

Domehomedee
Arroyo Grande, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 16, 2012
9:29 PM

Post #9244234

I hate front loaders. If I have to drive to Mexico to buy my next washer I will find a top loader.
Thank God I haven't had dryer trouble with my new Maytag washer/dryer, that would just be the last straw.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 16, 2012
10:03 PM

Post #9244244

You'll always be able to get a top loader, but it may not have an agitator. For now, the standard top loaders don't look like they're in jeopardy.

Domehomedee

Domehomedee
Arroyo Grande, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 17, 2012
8:43 PM

Post #9245249

There are some disadvantages to being in politically correct California. I don't think there were any top loaders at the appliance store we bought our washer at.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 18, 2012
9:48 AM

Post #9245606

They can always order a top load machine for you. Front load machines are more expensive all around, so they probably make more money in sales. Front loaders also do a better job of cleaning. They use less water than most top load machines with some exceptions. There are a few top loaders that are also water savers. High efficiency (HE) machines clean in a different manner, thus the need for HE detergent. They use less water and have no tolerance for oversudsing.

If you are buying a washer to stack a dryer on top of it (ugh!), it will always be a front load machine. The same old saw: if you don't overload and/or oversoap, it will last forever. Today's top load machines, regardless of manufacturer or country of origin, won't perform like your good old machines. Just because your neighbor loves his/her appliance does not mean that you will, too.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 18, 2012
12:01 PM

Post #9245725

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_011W002642210000P?sid=KDx01192011x000001&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=30-64820764-2

DH always teases me about being "gadget crazy" but I bought these dryer balls and they really do work and totally eliminate dryer wad. It's also supposed to eliminate static electricity and it must be true b/c I stopped using dryer softener sheets and my clothes are nice and soft and not staticky.

So, now that I use HE detergent, resist the impulse to use too much of it and have my dryer balls, I don't mind my front loader at all.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 18, 2012
1:42 PM

Post #9245834

Vossner, we did a service call where the customer claimed that the dryer balls ruined her landlord's brand new dryer by making holes in the drum. The product she used was similar to yours but made by a soap manufacturer. We looked at the dryer with the damaged drum, which she claimed was caused by the product. We could not figure out any way that could have happened from the dryer balls. Please let me know if yours do any damage, although I cannot see how.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 19, 2012
5:09 AM

Post #9246278

I can't see how they can cause damage either. You can see from the first pic that the balls are pliable. Also, the balls get in the clothes so I don't see how they ever come in direct contact w/ the drum. Finally, the design is such that the protruding teeth reduce the actual surface that comes in contact with the drum, if ever. Some people had suggested using tennis balls to reduce wad but I resisted idea precisely b/c I thought the impact against drum would be great and I wondered if dryer heat would cause rubber in tennis balls to release any sort of smell in my clothing.

2nd pic: I did stop using sheets for clothing, but my last load was the puppie's bed and i wanted it extra fluffy and sweet smelling...

Cathy, my guess would have been that possibly a belt buckle, a shoe or something hard left inside a pocket is what damaged your client's drum.

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onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 19, 2012
5:10 AM

Post #9246280

I have been using the blue ones for a long time.. no damage to the drum.. but they don't help the sheets either

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 20, 2012
4:28 AM

Post #9247248

I too have been using the "balls" for yrs, off and on... zero dents in the drum.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 20, 2012
7:29 AM

Post #9247467

I take it back! I made a BIG mistake. When I went back and looked at the photos, I saw that she used an entirely different product.

I have never used the balls, but when I dry a down quilt, I use tennis shoes.

My apologies.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 24, 2012
5:47 PM

Post #9252646

Cathy, about the dryer sheets, my repairman tells me they gunk up the vent pipe, have you found that to be true? I never needed them with my old washer/dryer, the towels always came out fluffy. WIth the new set however the towels are always scratchy even though I use very little detergent, an extra rinse and I dry them on the towel setting.

My dryer vent pipe is longer than it should be so I have to be careful, it is difficult to clean.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #9254070

ever since i started adding vinegar to my 'rinse' cycle, i have never had the need for drier sheets -- which i always hated using anyways. and vinegar is cheap enough. I actually add it in the "bleach" and "Softener" cups in the washer [top loader]
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
6:12 AM

Post #9254098

That is a good idea, I'll try it. I could never understand why people use those dryer sheets for towels anyway, they coat the fibers with parafin so the towels are no longer absorbant. I do use the sheets for the few synthetic clothes I have, they cut down on the static in the winter.
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 26, 2012
9:17 AM

Post #9254291

Ardesia, dryer sheets should not get to the ducting. When you remove the laundry, you should be able to pull out the sheet(s) you added. It is true that any fabric softener frequent use kills the absorbency of towels.

The biggest deal with the dryer sheets is that they can gunk up the filter. You can still see through it, but the air is not flowing through properly. If you want to see if this is so, take out the filter, which is usually some sort of nylon or otherwise nonflammable mesh. Take it to the sink and turn horizontal. Turn on the water in a slow stream, and see if the water beads up or goes through the holes. If it beads up, the fabric softener is impeding proper dryer use. If it goes through, you are good to go. If the water won't go through, most people replace the filter. It does not happen often, but when it does, it is a real problem.

I always suggest vinegar for over sudsing, and the technicians tell me it just does not work. I won't tell you what they recommend.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
9:52 AM

Post #9254333

It must have been the filter he was talking about. My repairperson also recommends vinegar. When the last dishwasher got old and finicky it oversudsed for some reason and vinegar was the only thing that would kill the suds.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
10:29 AM

Post #9254361

Will one still get oversudsing if using detergent per instructions?

When do u use vinegar, when adding detergent or in rinse cycle?

Didn't know ' bout dryer sheets diminishing towel absorbency
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 26, 2012
10:33 AM

Post #9254364

Truth and myth regarding dryer fires: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/appliances/laundry-and-cleaning/clothes-dryers/truths-and-myths-of-dryer-fires/overview/index.htm
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 26, 2012
10:45 AM

Post #9254376

Vossner, it is not just dryer sheets diminishing absorbency; it hold true for liquid fabric softener even more.

Manufacturer's suggested detergent for both the machine and the detergent are about double what you should use. It wasn't so critical for our old top loaders, but over the years washers have changed the volume of water they use. They are now much less tolerant of over-soaping because they use so much less water. This holds true for dishwashers as well. It does not hurt to send clothes through an extra final rinse of water only, especially if you have issues with sensitive skin.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
3:36 PM

Post #9254589

I've never used the liquid softener so I s/b OK. But of course mfgrs are going to tell you to use more than needed, LOL. I hadn't considered the fact that new machines use so much less water. thanks for the explanation, you are always so helpful.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 26, 2012
5:10 PM

Post #9254676

Ditto, Cathy you are always a tremendous help. Soooo, I have another question for you. What are your thoughts on the extended warranties for the new washer/dryers? I have the Samsung WF431Ab and VD431AE. I have another few weeks to make up my mind about buying them. Price is not too bad at all but...
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 26, 2012
6:27 PM

Post #9254770

If you don't oversoap and overload, you can expect few problems. The really expensive repairs involve the motor and electronic parts. The only thing I know about extended warranties is that there are 2 kinds. One from the manufacturing company and the other from a non-related company. The store selling the warranty usually makes the most money from the outside company warranty. Generally the first year of the contract is very little as most of the parts are already covered by the manufacturer. With each successive year, the renewal price rises. Generally you cannot purchase a second or third year contract if you don't have one for the prior year. Also if the malfunction is caused by you, it might not be covered.I don't know enough about samsung washers, but they make some of the maytag front loaders (you would not be likely to know it), and they have been good machines. Unlike Maytag, Whirlpool, GE and Electrolux, purchasing parts for Samsung appliances is only from certain distributors, so I have somewhat limited knowledge.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 27, 2012
3:31 AM

Post #9255015

sorry to get off topic but I use vinegar in my dishwasher as well.. don't need jet dry or any of those things to get the spots off
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
3:32 AM

Post #9255018

Thanks, interesting! My dealer does not sell warranties, he told me they are too much trouble. My son, who has had his maytag repaired too often tells me everyone should have the warranty. I am not sure I like this washer enough to repair it if something major ever happened.

BTW, I have solved the nasty odor problem, I found Clorox Washing Machine Cleaner works very well for me.
vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
9:25 AM

Post #9255451

Ardie, I will check the clorox brand cleaner. I used a product I get online but I would prefer to get something off-rack. By now many people/mfgrs are addressing the problem so it's not like my internet guy is the ONLY solution out there.

DH refuses to buy warranties; however, he will favor the products which offer the longest (free) warranties. He says that if we have to worry about item breaking down that soon, we don't need to purchase. OTOH, we have a relative who makes a living at selling extended warranties and he makes a killing. His strategy: scaring the pants of the not-so-technically inclined as they are the best customers.

Just think, in another 10 years all the buzz will be about the marvelous top loading machines, hee hee.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
12:50 PM

Post #9255785

LOL, I should have listened to my repairman and stayed with a top loader. The only reason I was interested in the warranties is because my son, who had a Maytag top loader and now has the LG, has had lots of problems and suggested it. We have never bought an extended warranty for an appliance but we do buy them for the cars and have gotten our money back many times over.

vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
12:56 PM

Post #9255792

well, who knew. Here I was, priding myself about not using too much detergent but I have proof that I do overuse. I was doing a load of colors and 2 white pieces were in it so naturally, colors ran and pieces were no longer white. So, I put them in water w/ a little clorox and look how much soap is still in them!

Kathy, I made it a point to carefully measure the detergent (per the little Tide scoop) and programmed and extra rinse. Despite of this, lots of soap still in the clothes, as you can see in the pic.

I'm posting this as perhaps some of you think that they don't oversoap, but you might...

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vossner
Richmond, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
1:00 PM

Post #9255800

A, perhaps if you didn't do wheelies, you wouldn't need ext. auto warranties...
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 27, 2012
1:16 PM

Post #9255826

I'm going to cut back on the amount of soap I use in our Frigidaire front-loader and see how little I can use and still have clean clothes. I use vinegar in with the wash cycle, just putting a cup in as a chaser to the detergent, for perspiration odors. I do like my fabric softener, except on towels.

We've had our front-loader since 2003 and have only needed one repair. It wasn't draining properly. It turned out the problem was a simple one - some loose change that made its way into the loads through the years. We learned firsthand that a nickel is just the right size to block the outtake hose. LOL The repairman we use is terrific, minimal charges and honest. Sometimes they don't even charge the minimum service call when they come out for something simple. We're very glad for that!

trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
1:20 PM

Post #9255836

i don't think i'll ever switch from a top loader. my sister has the new style steam thing and the soap costs twice as much and she has to use something that takes out the mold and stink...:-(

i would love a commercial top loader...one of those big suckers! lol

as far as dryers go, i keep a big old towel in mine for when i'm doing light drying or just a few things. otherwise mine just lie on those fin things inside in a clump...grrrrrrr.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 27, 2012
1:29 PM

Post #9255851

We've never had any problems with mold or stink in ours. I guess different front loaders have different designs for those door gaskets. I remember Dea saying she'd found socks stuck in her washer's door gasket. LOL

One thing I do really like about front-loaders is how you can wash fluffy comforters, dog beds or pillows in them. With any top-loader we've had, items like that tended to float to the surface because of the air inside them, then just kind of shimmy around on the surface of the water. With the front-loader, bulkier, fluffy items like that are saturated as they tumble and get clean.

We did learn how jacked up fiberfill pillows can get in that super-fast final spin, though. RIP, favorite pillow. LOL

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
2:12 PM

Post #9255909

wow... been away a few days... this thread has been busy...

>>When do u use vinegar, when adding detergent or in rinse cycle?

voss -- I add it to the "cups" for bleach and softener, add it when i add the detergent. I have a front loader, so it's all done ahead of time.

I also use vinegar instead of jet dry in the dishwasher.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2012
2:16 PM

Post #9255917

>>cut back on the amount of soap I use in our Frigidaire front-loader and see how little I can use and still have clean clothes

a friend gave me some home made laundry soap [i'd have to find the recipe... think it's in my work bag in WIsc, where I am not, at the moment]

but I use one TBPS of soap, and i was really surprise how clean the clothes got. It's sort of a gelatinous consistency.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 27, 2012
8:01 PM

Post #9256423

I started a thread with homemade laundry soaps here on DG - blast from the past. Anymore, though, I'd rather spend the money and get Tide. My mother-in-law lives with us and she loves Tide, plus tends to be the one who picks up more when we run out.
gardenwife
Newark, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 27, 2012
8:07 PM

Post #9256429

I looked it up. It went on for several threads.

Homemade laundry soap
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/35195/
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 27, 2012
8:52 PM

Post #9256487

If you want to know if you detergent is rinsing out (not using too much detergent), just run the washer empty. Look through the window. If you see a blanket of suds, when you know...
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 30, 2012
9:12 PM

Post #9260024

Vossner, only premium brands have warranties that exceed a year. That pretty much extends across the board. So you pay for the warranty one way of the other. Those extended warranties that Vossner is talking about are those to which I am referring. We take out insurance policies on everything from life to cars to stains on furniture. It is always a crap shoot. On appliances, the more electronics, the more likely it is to be a costly repair as there is no way around it. My sister is on Medicare. She won't take out supplemental insurance because she doesn't think she'll be that sick. Go figure.
Ronny121
Alabama, NY

November 11, 2013
2:34 AM

Post #9706412

I ability try that. I just apperceive the dryer assurance end up in the wad. I doubtable a pillow will get captivated up in the mess, too. Can't aching to try, though.

Domehomedee

Domehomedee
Arroyo Grande, CA
(Zone 9a)

November 11, 2013
5:34 PM

Post #9707021

I thought I'd like to put my 2 cents in on laundry detergent. I buy only Charlie's soap, and I buy it online 2 gallons at a time. When I bought my first front loader I was in shock at the price of the HE soap. I discovered Charlie's in my quest for cheaper HE soap. It was originally made as the end manufacturing process for clothing. It's the "cleanest" soap I've ever used and I was an avid "Tide" user. Just gets the clothes clean and doesn't leave any soapy or smelly stuff behind. Check it out at: http://www.charliesoap.com/
It's also great for those of us who are allergic to scents. I have converted many of washer woman, LOL.
truksel
RUFFS DALE, PA

January 16, 2014
6:51 AM

Post #9749052

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This message was edited Jan 18, 2014 10:09 AM
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 16, 2014
7:04 PM

Post #9749538

High Efficiency detergent is exactly the same price as non-HE detergent. It might not have been 12 years ago when fewer companies sold it, but it has been for the last several years. Almost every brand has HE detergents, and the pricing is competitive.

The makeup of HE detergents is such that they don't have the same surfactants which produce suds and have a different chemical composition for cleaning. The products are not interchangeable unless advertised as such.

If your grocery charges more for HE detergent, make certain to tell the management to wake up.

I see charlie's is safe for high efficiency washers. I think I'll try it. I smell everything before buying.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

January 17, 2014
3:02 PM

Post #9750117

LOL, I do that too and get some pretty funny looks. Charlie's does not have much of an odor at all, no artificial scents.

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