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Forum: Walls and Trim: paints, stains and faux finishesReplies: 11, Views: 60
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WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 4, 2007
3:55 PM

Post #3817493

Hello all,

Hoping someone doesn't mind answering a few questions if
you have time. Many thanks in advance.

I bought a few rolls of wallpaper at a yard sale, but can't seem
to find the name of the paper design. I've typed numbers and
such into Google but I may be looking at the wrong thing. Then
again, maybe the paper is just too old and no one carries it
anymore.

One reads:

DAVID CARTER BROWN COLLECTION
IMPERIAL
186744 IMPERIALS SMF30224
ALTERNATE PATTERN 30903511

It is a pattern of the nations and seas with a grid
in dark brown with a creamy smeary background,
supposed to look like a pencil drawn map.

The next one is:
RAYMOND WAITES IMPERIAL
179852 IMPERIAL1S SLG020529

The color is a deep and rich velvet red with
dark gold and browns featuring some wild
looking palms or ferns with a monkey, a few
butterflies, etc.

I even tried to find it on Ebay to no avail.

Not a big deal, I was just curious about the
original price and maybe the name. I tried
surfing imp-wall.com (as listed on the roll)
and also surfed the names on the rolls.

Hmm.

In brief, my questions are as follows:

The paper is listed as
prepasted
washable
strippable
vinyl coated

Dumb question coming up here. Do I have
to use paste just for prepasted paper, or does
the prepasted status eliminate all need for paste?
Can I use wallpaper paste intended for unpasted paper
to get a stronger adhesion?

LOL. I hear someone laughing. I'm not very bright
when it comes to wallpaper.

KM


ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 4, 2007
4:13 PM

Post #3817551

When I searched for the word wallpaper and the alternate patter number of your David Carter Brown paper I found this--does it look like yours? [HYPERLINK@www.decoratetoday.com]

No luck with the Raymond Waites paper, but from the same site I did a search for his wallpaper books, so you could flip through some of these and see if your paper is in any of them and see if yours is there. My thought is they must have changed the pattern number, either that or it's not made anymore.
[HYPERLINK@www.decoratetoday.com]

Prepasted means you don't have to use wallpaper paste, you dip it in water and then apply it to the wall. There's a proper technique for applying the water that involves folding the paper in a certain way, then getting it wet--hopefully someone else can give you the exact directions, or if you do a search for applying prepasted wallpaper you should find directions. (I've never done anything with wallpaper besides rip it off, so I'm not an expert on putting it on!) You might be able to use wallpaper paste instead of wetting it if you want, but I'm really not sure.
WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 4, 2007
5:39 PM

Post #3817773

You're a doll, many thanks for your help!

Indeed, you did find the right paper for the map print. Thank you
so much! I must have mis-typed that one while searching. I do
appreciate you! :-)
The other paper is a bit tricky, and no doubt it is
discontinued as well. It is so neat, and when I showed
it to hubby, he said that it looked as though it belonged
in the bathroom, which was my intention, so if hubs saw
it, then it must be a hit!

I can't wait to play with the bathroom paper, but don't intend
to paper the entire room, just a few small walls, so I can use
the paper as inspiration for a new theme. As there are a few
monkeys (classy looking, not cartoonish) I hope to be able to
find a few bottles of Affentaler (which loosely translates to
'Monkey Valley') Spatburgunder Rotwein; a german
wine featuring a monkey wrapped around the bottle. I've admired the bottles
for years, so when I saw this wallpaper laying there, it was
screaming for me to buy it.

Thanks for listening, thanks for helping.

:-) Karen Marie


terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 5, 2007
7:58 PM

Post #3821937

Pre-pasted means that you don't need to apply paste. Cut to longer than needed length, dip and run thru water, then fold in half and again in half. It's called booking. If you have a pattern you need to match up, make sure you're cutting it properly to match what you've already cut. Strippable means you can supposedly strip it, vinyl means it's vinyl coated which makes the strippable comment even more laughable because vinyl is very hard to take off. Basically you need to peel off the vinyl to get to the paper and then remove the paper and paste and more paste and more paste. Washable means you can scrub to your hearts content to get it clean but it won't come clean. Yea, I don't like wallpaper either. I've stripped way too many rooms with wallpaper to ever even think about putting myself thru that when I'm tired of the pattern. But hey, that's me! You have fun Karen Marie! ;0)
WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 5, 2007
8:03 PM

Post #3821961

Hi Terry,

I'm not a big fan of wallpaper, so I was thinking about putting it on
one small wall in the bathroom and perhaps the side of the cabinet
by the sink. My previous experience with wallpaper is that it just
refuses to stick to the wall, though I am now learning it is due to the
fact that the walls need to be primed or sealed first.

Ah, you learn something new every day.

Many thanks for your help, all.

:-)
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 5, 2007
8:14 PM

Post #3822000

Not primed and sealed first. They need to be sized for the best adhesion and the best help you can give yourself for removing it. Putting it on primed walls means the paper will most likely remove the paper from the drywall. A painted wall also doesn't give you the adhesion you need. I've removed wallpaper from walls that were just painted and the paint peeled off and some of the paper from the drywall peeled off too. In this house, I had 1 room, not sized, just wallpaper over the plaster and the plaster came off with the wallpaper. That was not a happy day. Wash your walls thoroughly first, then size. My mother insisted on wallpaper. On the container of the sizing, it said to wash with a solution of TSP and warm water. Allow to dry, paint on the sizing. Allow that to dry, put up wallpaper.
WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 5, 2007
8:20 PM

Post #3822023

Sizing, ah, now I'm learning things here.

Wallpaper sizing is what I need. Now that makes sense.
You're a doll, thanks!
terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 5, 2007
8:31 PM

Post #3822091

You're welcome! You know how to remove it? YOU MOVE!! LOL!! Give me a pinky swear too that you'll NEVER paint over wallpaper! Never never never!!!!
WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 5, 2007
9:16 PM

Post #3822324

Ooh, Terry, ha ha, in this house, wallpaper actually improves the walls,
so would I be in big trouble if I could not promise with a pinkie?

Honestly, the person who next owns this house will likely just mow it down and put in
a pre-fab home. LOL. Okay, so it's not that bad, but the walls are just really
bad.

Holes, nail holes, the guy who built this house (brother in law owned it
before we bought it) painted over nails, studs are not spaced properly,
mud and tape everywhere, ugh! Paint over spiders on the wall, not a door
frame to be found, no frames around the windows.

Suffice it to say this is a fixxer-upper.

:-)

terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 5, 2007
11:58 PM

Post #3822968

Oh baby! Wanna talk fixer upper?? We bought this house when it was at the young age of 109. No updated anything. Everything jerry rigged. Especially the important stuff! You need to learn to do skim coats. It's not hard and will greatly improve those walls! Heck, if I can do it, you can too! The front bedroom had circles. I mean circles on the walls and the ceilings. Using probably plaster of paris. And a cement trowel is my guess. Deep grooved circles. Over the wallpaper on plaster. We sanded (oh boy did we sand) them down and then did something like 6 skim coats and after priming, fixed more, primed those areas again, fixed more and finally I just said enough. It's not going to be perfect in a house this old and I think it looks darn good! I use a carpenter for things I can't do and even he was impressed with the job we (mostly me) did in that room! I had to strip all the woodwork in there too. Then sand it, then stain it, then put 3 coats of poly on it. My list is looooong in this house!

Just don't paint the wallpaper! I've had to remove painted over wallpaper too many times to count and it's not fun and it takes so long! Skim coats, skim coats!! Fill those holes with joint compound, not spackle. Yank out those nails and if you ding the wall, fix it with joint compound too! How far is OK from here?? LOL!

What do you mean no door frames or window frames? Do you mean trim? Or do you really mean none of the door and windows have frames? Pictures!
WUVIE
Hulbert, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 6, 2007
9:29 AM

Post #3823613

Hello Terry,

Hubby has added trim / frames around the living room windows. The
sliding glass door was put into the wall, no trim. The bedrooms, no trim,
nothing. BIL had stapled thin sheets of I don't know what around the windows
which I suppose were intended to be trim.

The hallway, the bathroom, everything had this paper thin wood around it,
but no real trim. Nothing. The bare essentials. We've lived here since 1995,
so we have done much, but it would be a financing nightmare to fix everything
at once.

Ugh. Slowly, but surely, it is becoming a home.

terryr
Bureau County, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 6, 2007
9:50 AM

Post #3823699

But the basic frame, the 2x4's around windows and doors that holds them in are there, correct? It's the trim? Like baseboards, but goes around windows? One room or even one wall at a time, that's all you need to do. It's going to be gorgeous when you're done! Just remember the end result and puttin some love into the house does...lol...just too bad that love has to be so expensive!!

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