Now that the basic garden season is over, most of us are planning on what we want to sow for next year. Would anyone be interested in a seed swap? I'm sure most of us have quite a bit of left over seed as well as alot of seed collected from our gardens. I think the last swap was a success. If you are interested please let me know and I will add your name to the list below. I'll start the swap at 10 people.
SEED SWAP RULES
Let's make the swap 10 packets of seeds for those that don't have alot to share. ALL SEED ENTRIES MUST BE RECEIVED on or before November 20th. This will give me enough time to sort and send the seed back to you with more than enough time for Winter Solstice. Based upon my experience with other swaps, I will not wait on late entries. If your seed is not in by the above date, I will just mail you back your own seed.
Use a bubble envelope or bubble wrap to send seeds to Anita [my address is in the exchange-Anitabryk2] This swap is open to paid members only;
Here are the postage rates as of today from the USPS.
First-Class Mail, Priority Mail, or Express Mail is required for personal correspondence, handwritten or typewritten material, and bills or statements of account. They may also be used for any mailable item, including advertisements and lightweight merchandise.
First-Class Mail Large Envelope Rates
Weight Not Over
(ounces) - Rates
1 - $0.80
2 - $0.97
3 - $1.14 **most of the packages fell into this price category**
4 - $1.31
For heavier items, see Priority Mail in the Rates and Fees Reference.
First-Class Mail large envelopes are subject to First-Class Mail package rates if any one of the following apply:
• It is too rigid – does not bend easily
• It is not rectangular
• It contains items that cause more than 1/4 inch variation in thickness
o You can use anything for seed packs, but make sure they won't fall out and tape is not in a location where seeds could stick. The glycine envelopes work best for tiny seeds as opposed to plastic;
o Identify each seed pack with the contents and include your DG name
o Include a mailing label with your own address on it which I will use to mail the items back - so please make it big enough and legible enough for the postman to read.
o Include enough postage based upon the above rates for me to return a package to you.
o I will reuse the bubble envelope you send the seed packs in. Please make sure it is in good shape and will survive the round trip. I have found the 6x9 bubble envelopes work the best.
o Write WS Swap on outside of the envelope sent to Anita.
o Include a list of the seeds enclosed - please. It will make it a bit easier to make sure that everyone gets something different than what they sent.
Bouquets Anita~ would love to join as well. Have some flowers that have not set seed yet, but will by that time. I had so much fun last year W/Sing all the fun seeds we received. Thanks for organizing this. Here's W/S petunias.
ok - they still won't let me edit the above post, so I'll add it down here until I can...
Just a reminder for everyone that this is a Wintersowing Seed Swap-please don't send any tropical seed or seed that won't survive the concept of wintersowing. If you are unsure, check out the wintersown website [http://www.wintersown.org/ ], look at my lists of what I have successfully w/s [http://www.lakehousecreations.com/winter_sowing.htm ], or know what returns in your yard or volunteers each year without you planting it.
Oh dear Carrie, thanks for the offer--I couldn't take your place! But thank you.
But IF there is going to be any more room on the swap-list, I would like to be on it.
If otherwise, like Lala_Jane, I understand if the list is already full.
Dear Emily, my DD #1 just broke her arm and it seems to one of those drop everything and be a Mom moments. IF, I can manage it, I still would love to be in. Anita hasn't answered whether she'll enlarge her gene pool!
Carrie, glad that you will keep your place in line! Meanwhile, I'll await news regarding any expansion of the swap-list from Anita.
And finally, I'm sorry to hear about your DD#1. Good thing she has you to help.
Right now she doesn't even have a cast, only a sling!!!!!!!!!! She's in a lot of pain and felt really disgusting on Percocet for 2 days. Now they've switched her to Tylenol #3, which she says is better - but don't jiggle her! Tomorrow she's getting a cast. Tonight she's taking a THOROUGH shower.
Wonderful Anita, thank you so much! I notice there are a few folks on your list that are participating in another swap I'm in so I'll try to find a few different seeds to send so they don't get duplicates from me.
Does anyone have any interest in grasses? I am an ornamental grass freak...I just love the stuff. I WSd some zebra grass last year that did beautifully and has already reached about 8" tall. It's not mature enough to set plumes yet but I have many others that I could send if there was any interest?
Lala_Jane: Love your photos! I love ornamental grasses but I am in a new house this year and I don't have anything to swap. However, I do have six plants of the Flamenco Torch Lily--are you familiar with it? If you are, maybe you could tell me how I could get seeds from it next summer. The blooms all seem to be gone for the year and I didn't even think to save them. I'll send along a photo of the torch lily in bloom. You can see them blooming on the right side of the photo.
Can someone tell me how to save seeds from petunias--I have never done it before and I do have some pink and purple wave petunias still blooming. thanks.--maybe there's a thread somewhere that addresses the subject on how to save seeds?
Marsue~ I'm not sure if wave petunias set seed, mine never did...But for regular petunias , I let the petunia blooms fade and you'll see little green pods developing...let the green pods develop till a golden brown, when you notice the pod opening a bit , Snip the pod off with scissors. Over a paper plate or paper towel, scrape the seeds out with tweezers, then let the seeds dry for several days. The seeds are numerous and very tiny. Have fun, if your petunias are hybrids, you will experience color and height variations. Hope this helps..;0)
Your torch lilies are beaurtiful! I'm afaid I don't know anything about saving seeds with them though. Garden6 gave you some great tips for saving your petunia seeds. My waves did set seed last year, but their offspring grew more upright and didn't cascade as the did the original plants.
La, I'm very interested in ornamental grasses. I've been a little reluctant to plant any because we have Canada geese and they will eat anything that resembles any kind of grass. But I w/s'd some angel spray (a dwarf muhlenbergia) last year. I have a tomato cage around it until it gets bigger.
Anyway, I'd love to have some. I'll just cage 'em in.
You've got it Jan. Unfortunately I only have tags for a couple of them anymore, but I will be very descriptive on the packages. The cabetet grass is towering well over 8' now but the strawberry cream will only get to be 3-4' I'll be sure to let you know which is which so you know what you want to plant where.
(DD #1 does NOT have a cast; apparently there's too much risk of loss of ROM. The Tylenol #3 keeps her up all night, but, then, so does pain. She seems much better though, and got one of the lead parts in Oklahoma! auditioning with a broken arm!)
Lala, thanks for the hyperlink. All you guys have inspired me to start collecting seeds! I got a few from my petunias today, garden6. They are very tiny but I will give them a try. Also went over to a friend's house and got about 6 seeds from a yellow lily of some kind--she didn't know what it was, just a yellow lily. I'm hoping they are Stella d'Oro--will have to wait till next summer to find out! She also had some Gerbera daisies and I was able to get lots of seed. So my seed collecting has begun! I didn't find this site until yesterday--wish I had found it earlier--I could have started collecting sooner and maybe I would have had some to share. Well, there is always next year. :o)
Thanks, carrie. I would love some Stellad'Oros. You can d-mail me about the particulars. I mean I just found the wintersowing forum. I found DG back in May of this year and joined but I didn't become active on it until just about 10 days ago. I've already "met" so many nice people! DG is great!
Just about to mail my seeds when I reread the instructions. Do you want 10 packages of different types of seeds? or 10 packages of the same seed? Or some combination? Of course, all the seeds have to be types that can be winter sown.
I need to know, because if I have to come up with 10 different kinds of seeds, it may take a bit longer.
I sent off my seeds, but just realized I didn't include a list of what I sent. That was after I remembered I hadn't included a mailing label to myself. My head isn't where it should be at the moment. At least I clearly labeled everything I sent! My apologies to Anita.
Carrie if I'm understanding your question correctly, you only need to send Anita the same amount of postage it took to mail the package to her in the first place. If it cost $1.50 to send it to her you need to enclose an additional $1.50 for return postage. (Right Anita?)
Have fun Carrie. By the way - the craft stores sell the small plastice baggies too. Remember, you'll probably swap seed again in the future. They are also good for storing your own seed in. So there really is no such thing as having too many seed envelopes.
Theresa, some of the envelopes are really cute! thanks for the links. I'm tempted to make some and just put the seeds in one of those glassine envelopes inside (well, at least the tiny ones).
Carrie, I just bought 2,000 of those little ziploc baggies online because I found them on sale. I figure I'm going to be doing this for a long time (I hope). and I'm surprised by how many of them I've used this year.
grampapa, that's what I did a few years ago. I have enough to last for awhile. And if the seeds are really dry, you don't have to worry about mold. But I also made some of the DG seed envelopes. You have to be steady with the glue though!
We're boycotting Walmart I think because they treat their workers so shabbily and 5 of the ten richest people in America are in the Wal-whatever family - I forget if it's Walton or Wallingford or Walrich but we're boycotting it anyway. DH has all the details.
And Michaela, it figures, you're trying to emigrate and the US$ is now only worth 00.73 Canadian $s!
I think the exchange rate is being rigged to keep us here. When we moved we took a huge hit - Canadian$ was worth only .66 cents to the US buck. But we thought, eventually when we return to Canada we would make up the difference. Well, guess we won't be returning soon unless we win a lottery!
Thank goodness Americans are so very, very friendly :-)
Did NOT mean to offend, dmac, sorry if I was misinterpreted. I boycott a lot of things -- and most of them are huge companies (like Walmart) that will never even notice! Pretty silly, when you think about it.
Carrie, I do the same thing. Boycott some companies, I mean. And it's not silly if you believe in your reasons. One of them I boycott just because the owner dumped his wife of 30+ years. Come to think of it, I refused to go to a local doctor here because he did the same thing, so it's not just big companies with me.
Now you know why!! But I think Malden Mills now belongs to someone else. :>(
I never liked diamonds either. I like semiprecious stones, especially the ones that look like stones. Diamonds are sometimes very tough to avoid - they get sprinkled everywhere! I used to wear an engagement ring that was made from one of the stones from my mother's engagement ring, which was made from some of the stones in a pin my great-grandfather gave my great-grandmother. I figured that was ok. I forgot to factor in that my parents had been divorced for years, but now I've been divorced for years too... so I don't wear that ring.
Not offended at all:) I've got thicker skin than to care that much:lol: I've worked there for 13 years and enjoy my job and my coworkers and my customers (with a few exceptions;) I can afford pants (khaki colored) and the $4 we have to pay for a navy blue polo shirt. I was spending much more ruining regular clothing and having to replace that.
I don't think anyone's reasons for taking a stand on what they believe is silly. I don't get into conversations defending "big picture WalMart"---I like my store and my job situation and my friends/coworkers. I could just be very lucky to be in the store I'm in with the people I'm with, who knows? LOL
PS don't tell my coworkers I like ALL of them...there are a couple I could do without ;)
We finally had a cooling off period. It was still in the mid 80's about a week ago and now we're in the 60's and 70's during the day. The low tonight may actually be in the 30's! I have lantana and a plumbago in full bloom out front, they may be through after that drop in temp:)
I bought a coleus this year for the first time. It was in a 4 or 6 inch pot and I added it to a container with some yellow lantana and a purple million bells. I was very surprised to find that the beautiful coleus which was a dark red/burgandy shot up and is now about 1 1/2 to 2 feet tall with pretty little spikes of white and lilac flowers. Pretty much overshadowed and overcrowded the other two but its so gorgeous. Next year I'm putting a couple of them in the front garden.
Anita, I'm mailing my seeds today. they are all things that I wintersowed successfully last January.
we had our first frost so I'll be nearing the end of my seed collecting. I've learned a lot this year. it was my first year wintersowing and my first year collecting my own seed. I had a lot of success with my w/s...planted about 300 plants (over half of them perennials or biennials). and a lot of failures, too. so many things didn't germinate. and I think a lot of it was due to drying out.
I'm really looking forward to what I can do this year. and what kinds of seeds I get from swapping :0)
I'm almost ready with my seeds. I had some really good luck and some so-so luck myself, but what I realized is that a lot of things tht really, really did well, didn't actually bloom this year because they are perennial. Ergo, no seed from them until next year! But I will have my 10, and soon.
Suzy, it's funny. Some of my perennials bloomed already this year for me, but only one plant of each...like they just wanted to show me their blooms. Like I planted 35 aubretia (false rock cress) and one of them had 2 flowers on it. and of 3 potentillas, one of them bloomed like crazy, and the other 2 are just beautiful green plants. there were a couple others, too. very odd.
I've sent seeds overseas recently...Australia and New Zealand are the only ones with any restrictions. For NZ, you put a note on the envelope saying exactly what they are in Latin, and that they are clean and for hobby use. For Aus, there is a form you get at the post office. You have to use a lareger PO because the smaller ones look at you with that, 'hunh?' expression. Of course they need to be clean -- chaff doesn't count as dirt, but soil is a no no.
As of last year about this time, it's harder to get seed into the US than it is sending out. I've sent to N. Ire. in a regular bubble envelope with the contents written on the outside, not because it's required, but because it seemed the smart thing to do. I also always use a new envelope, once again,j ust because it seems the smart thing to do.
You are supposed to apply for a "Small lots" seed import permit, to import seeds. It's not that big of a deal and its free, renews in 3 years. It's just a form for the exporter to put with your seeds and it goes to USDA first then on to you. You can import 50 lots of 50 seeds each for hobby use. I got one when I was going to import from Japan. It replaces the Physosanitary ?sp permit and is free.
If you go to the USDA or APHIS site you can find out what countries we can export to and get info on what to do there.
Yeah, I thought the same thing, Carrie, until I found a really, really cool tuber I had to have from Australia and the guy wouldn't sell it to me without the Aphis paperwork. I received it in 2 days from my application, snet it to him complete with mind boggling instruction that could have been written i 3 sentences, but instead came on a full typed sheet of paper. He shipped it (reluctanly) and I even got email from a guy in Miami at the inspection office telling me it was here and asking me about how I wanted it shipped -- with or without signature confirmation.
The bulb? I kknow you're dying to find out, it was a climbing peruvian Tropaleum that comes from a tuber. It also comes from seed, but golly! they are slow to bloom from seed! The tubers are way quicker, but it took a long time to get it into action since I got it from the southern hemisphere.
But was the application process still really fast?
The reason I know more about outgoing seed and incoming bulbs is that I send out miniature Narcissus poeticus seed to enthusiuasts to use for breeding. The wire red cup is what we hope to use to get reds, oranges and pinks in miniature daffodils of all divisions. Most of the people I send them to can shave a few years off the process (from seed to bloom) from what I can do in my backyard in Indiana, so I send out seed and in a few years I get back bulbs. I also order a lot of bulbs from overseas because that's where most of the unusual ones come from.
OK everyone, dead line is in two weeks. If you haven't already started prepping your packages, now is the time. Alot of really great seed samples have been sent in. You should all be thrilled with the return packages!
Yikes! Got to get to work -- I have my coin envelopes, my stamps, my bubble envelopes for mailing -- and my seeds! (Get to work - deadline approaching -- get to work - deadline approaching -- get to work - deadline approaching -- get to work - deadline approaching -- got it.)
OK Anita, this is a big deal for me! I've bought many many many seeds, I've received lots as gifts too. I'm finally participating in a Seed Swap! I bought 250 coin envelopes, but I don't think I'll need all but four or five of them. I found (in my huge, unsorted, leaky collection) a couple DUPLICATES! For whatever reason, either I added them twice to my cart or the vendor felt bad about sending them so late or whatever, I have four or five packages of seed that have never even been opened. I'm enclosing the following list along with my couple coin envelopes of seeds (labeled); have I got it sort of right? xx, Carrie
Shasta Daisy – chrysanthemum maximum – silver princess – perennial z. 5 – 9, 12” BURPEE – PACKED FOR 2007 white flowers w/ yellow centers
Wild Flax – saphyr – perennial z4 – 8, 12” deadhead for more flowers dainty 1” light blue flowers BURPEE PACKED FOR 2007
Gaillardia – burgundy – gaillardia aristata – attractive wine-red flowers June–Frost z 3-9 30” deadhead BURPEE PACKED FOR 2007
Festuca ovina glauca Blue Fescue grass z4-9 10” clumping, fine silvery blue foliage BURPEE PACKED FOR 2007
Dianthus – microchip mix – z 3-9, 6-8”, mix of white pink and rosy-red, BURPEE – PACKED FOR 2007
Gypsophila paniculata Early snowball baby’s breath blooms 2nd year after sowing z. 4-8 3’ Sun BURPEE – PACKED FOR 2007
Thanks for asking, Michaela--it was ecciting! BIG winds and we did lose a rather large pine tree, which mercifully fell about 10 feet from our house. . . so I can't complain.
I'm still doing a lot of storm-cleanup, and then I'm going to get my 10 envelopes organized for the SWAP. This is so ecceedingly fun!
(I'll stop now.)
Wow - that must have been pretty scary to have a tree fall soooo close to your house. I am excited too! I have my seeds ready - I just have to get organized and send them. I have been sort of holding out in case I could collect some Blue Heaven morning glory or some moonflower seeds, but I think that might not be possible.
OH Jane! I thought you said 58 dollars and that you were going to send more on top of that, and I worried and fretted, because I had someone go to the Post Office specially to get stamps for this event. (That Lala_Jane ,b>really is committed to these seed swaps!) I went to usps.gov and planned to buy two $00.75 stamps but I always get annoyed that they want me to pay for the privilege of buying their stamps!) but I sent someone and got befuddled and told her two $1.50 stamps, and she couldn't find any Harriet Beecher Stowe stamps that were $1.50 so she just got a regular book of forty-one cent stamps. But now I can't find those either! Don't forget The Boston Tea Party happened near here. In revolt against the Stamp Act, although those stamps were tariffs on tea and other necessities (tobacco?). Still.
And then Comcast was out all morning and I fretted about Seandor calling me a grand dame, although that's what I wanna be when I grow up, just not quite yet. Now that I've read all your beautiful compliments, i can put my mind at ease on that front as well. So now it's just the Case of the Missing Stamps. I will get the envelopes ready so we can stamp them ASAP - I mean the mailing envelopes, not the seed ones.
O My Goodness! The missing seeds were in my bedside table (why not? Of course!). We taped and labeled and Re-Re-labeled - none of the envelopes were on their first incarnation. Turns out after All That ANGST, Tania closed the famous coin envelopes with tape and DIDN'T lick them at all. I hope that's ok, Anita. Tania is now taking the master envelope to the post office.
"Cause my head is just swimming with all the stuff I HAVE to get done before this week is finished - and just thinking about it exhausts me - and it won't be any better until after Christmas - my only hope is that most of my courses won't fill :-)
Thanks Carrie :-) Well, actually my school is blessed with many truly dedicated teachers and great colleagues. It's just that this term I am teaching 6 courses and 2 directed studies (meaning 5 class preps). Plus now we get the go-ahead from the lawyers to apply for our green cards, and all the paper work that involves - including medical exams, arranging for all our shots (just like we are puppies!) and getting the "right" documents - now I have to order the "approved" large version of our birth certificates - that's three different governments in Canada to deal with.
And I still have to pay for it all . . . man, life is good if you don't weaken lol
So if my classes don't fill, and I only teach 4 courses, with 3 preps - life will be very good indeed!
Never go away, Carrie - what would we do without you ????
. . . every once in a while I try to remind myself that there are literally billions of people who would love to have my problems . . . many of us really have blessed lives in spite of the day-to-day irritations :-)
Anita, what you claim to be looking forward to is equivalent to my worst nightmare! Have fun, and thank you for doing all this work for our pleasure! I don't think I listed EVERYTHING I sent. Sorry. I think i sent more than ten - also sorry. xx, Carrie
Ok everyone. The seeds went out in yesterday's mail. I hope everyone likes the seeds they received in return. If by chance anyone is short, please let me know. I double check, but you never know. The envelopes got closed, before I could put in my holiday wishes. Let me extend them to you now.
May all your holidays be bright and merry. May they be filled with the people you love. I wish you health and happiness for the years to come. Happy Holidays!
Thanks again for joining the swap. I usually do another in the late spring/early summer for anyone that would like to join again.
Regarding pens and identification of seedlings...I would like to put a vote in for a plastic tag or two inside the milkjug, too. Put them in a corner and face them OUT because you can read through the milk jug itself. I cut up butter containers, including Clorox bottles and also cottage cheese and certain brands of yogurt containers. Just cut them into thin-ish strips and use a Sharpie or a paint pen on them. The name holds as long as they are pushed into the ground.
This tags (these tags) follow the plants when they are planted so you have an ID once they are out in the garden. Soooo important! So many of these plants look like weeds when they are teenagers that I tend to pull them, and so many of the things I sowed were flowers that were totally unknown to me, but if I can find a marker in the vicinity, it jogs my memory. I always plant it inthe visual middle of where I planted, whether it's a long strip or a clump. I have had 99% success with it and only lost a few when I had some emergency transferring of jugs due to the unusual cold snap we had last spring. I must have been swinging those things around a lot because there were two tags on the ground when all the jugs were put in the garage. I was able to determine which was which easiy enough.
It's okay with me -- copy and paste away! These pearls of wisdom just drop from the keyboard. ROTFLOL!
Anita, I received my seeds today -- thanks so much to you and all the people who made the swap possible, but especially you, Anita, the hostess with the mostess!
Cape Cod Gardener, I especially loved the Lobelia; was it commercial? I only ask because I wondered how you even collect Lobelia seeds since I don't recall seeing any pods. Or am I not looking closely enough?
I'm worrying about my WS logistics this year. What to put where, and all. Last year I had 300+ containers germinate, and I swear, I just got the last of them planted out -- less than a month ago. There is no way I can do that again, so I will have to be savvy and smart, and try to figure out how I can have more things in the ground with jugs (or something like jugs) above them than jugs sitting out everywhere which will later need to be planted. I wish I had learned about WSing in the early 80s when I was a younger woman with more energy. LOL!
Quoting:Cape Cod Gardener, I especially loved the Lobelia; was it commercial? I only ask because I wondered how you even collect Lobelia seeds since I don't recall seeing any pods. Or am I not looking closely enough?
Hi Suzy, yes, the saphire trailing lobelia seed was commercial, from Thompson and Morgan--I WS it this year, and then re-ordered the seed from T & M because I didn't see any pods either!
YIPPPEEEEE! Received my seed swap envelope and want to thank everyone again for the nice selections. Many of the selections, I had not considered before, but now, I am looking forward to spicing the gardens up this coming Spring. Thanks again Anita, the color selections complement my gardens nicely!! ;0)
Received mine, too - quite a variety among 10 packets - seems like seed traders on DG range farther every year. Thank you so much Anita and all - this was a very enjoyable seed swap.
ps - how about everyone moseying over to this thread - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/793658/ and giving a vote for a wintersown database on DG by zone? Earlier today Distantkin posted that Dave is looking to see what kind of response there might be.
I KNOW there's a better thread for this, well, there's really no good thread for this, BUT here's a O.99 seed sale and free shipping if you spend $10. I think they're Burpee seeds. Oh, I hate myself already. x, Carrie.
carrie, WE love you :0) ... this is a perfect thread for seed sales (well, there's no bad thread for seed sales LOL). what if there's something I want that I didn't get in the swap, huh? and where's the link for the sale?