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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 11, 2007
4:49 PM

Post #4072703

Just wondering what are some cut flowers you have planned for next year? I bought some seeds that I hope will do well for me. Here's my list:

Yarrow
Statice
Oriental poppies
Larkspur
Chinese Lantern
Hollyhocks
Sweet Peas
Angelonia

What's on yours and what should I add to my list? Thanks.

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pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

October 11, 2007
6:35 PM

Post #4073008

Hollyhocks
Columbine
Peonies
Roses
Hydrangea
Sweet peas
Sweet William
Delphenium
Tulips
Gerbers
Various ferns, hostas and greenery
Salvia
Clome
Cosmos
African Daisies
Regatta
Lavender
Snapdragons

Sound pretty ambitious doesn't it. Let's hope this winter sowing thing works!!

I even saw an arrangement with COLEUS!!

One of my roses.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 11, 2007
7:24 PM

Post #4073187

What a list, Traci! I'm jealous that you'll be growing peonies. I LOVE peonies, but I don't think we get enough cold down here for them. Can't wait to see yours next year! Are you ws'ing? I started collecting milk jugs and water bottles and cheese trays. I wonder if I even need to do that being in zone 8b/9a. . . I'm just jumping on the bandwagon. I'm not doing tulips. One year I planted loads of tulip bulbs and got maybe 3 blooms. Daffodils were another story. They came up for a few years. I love hyacinths too. I really need to look into getting bulbs.

I forgot about my hydrangeas and roses that I already have. From your list, gotta go get gerber, delphinium, and snapdragon seeds. Well, I'll wait and see what RR seeds I'll be getting first. I like your photo. Great lighting! That pic above is of my pat austin rose that I'm totally in love with. It's just a baby right now. . . can't wait for it to grow up.

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pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

October 12, 2007
2:07 AM

Post #4074517

I am going to attempt to wintersow. I went a little overboard with seeds. Being my first year, I wiped out some seed stores. You will not be able to see my house from the flowers and vines.

I have ~~hanging head in shame~~ over 200 bulbs to plant. I am trenching down the walk and just plopping them in.

I just now learned how to use my camera. I have gone picture crazy. I love your pat. The yellow was already here. I haven't touched it and it has bloomed beautifully. In fact the only thing to bloom at all almost during the drought. This the other bloom. Just thought the pic was cool.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 12, 2007
5:44 AM

Post #4074615

200 bulbs . . . niiiiiice! Yes. . .cool macro. I just started to learn how to use my camera too. . . and I'm learning I don't like it very much. It doesn't have a built in stabilizer and my hands are so shaky and I'm too lazy to use the tripod. I have to take a gazillion pics before I get a decent one. Anyway, that's a really pretty pic of your rose. . .what a "knockout"!

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terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

October 20, 2007
8:33 PM

Post #4105558

I'm just doing my sweet peas to overwinter.
I usually wait until spring to sow anything, also I divide plants then, and put them into their flowering positions.
I did manage to collect quite a few seeds from the garden late summer.
It's a good time to take rose cuttings now!
Jarlsberg
Manchaca, TX

November 12, 2007
11:35 PM

Post #4187588

Larkspur was incredible last year. I let it go to seed and hope that it comes back in full force. During the summer of 2006, we had one of the worse droughts on record; 2007 was one of the wettest Springs on record. So I planted in three raised beds: Freesia, Daffodil, Ixia, Allium, Narcissus (4 varities), Ranunculus (my favorite). I am also watching for this years Bearded Iris.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 13, 2007
6:21 PM

Post #4189945

I love what you have listed Jarlsberg, esp ranunculus. Have to look up Ixia, but all the others make beautiful cut flowers. I sowed some larkspur seeds and no luck. Will they do better if I wintersowed or in the spring? I have one yarrow seedling out of probably 30! One is better than none I guess.

More additions to my list:
Snapdragons
bells of ireland
gladiolus
sunflowers
Jarlsberg
Manchaca, TX

November 13, 2007
9:13 PM

Post #4190483

Thanks karmaplace, this is my first time to try Ixia. I hope they are as good as they look online. I usually sow larkspur seeds in late February (because I am too impatient to wait until March). I had several hundred larkspur plants last spring, so I let them go to seed in August. We'll see if they come up again in the spring. I have had great luck with snapdragons that I bought in 4 inch pots, but they were really expensive. I am looking for other seeds that make good cut flowers. Any suggestions?
pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 13, 2007
9:33 PM

Post #4190550

I looooove larkspur and just ordered the seed. Karma, I have to look up both Ixia and ranunculus, how sad is that. Jarls, I love the way delphinum looks. Also Terri did an arrangement with sweet peas. The colors are beautiful. That is about all I know since I just started this gardening thing 4 months ago, in the worst drought ever. Sucker for punishment I guess. Oh, hollyhock and columbine. Of course these are all tall except for the sweat peas.

If you have time, drop in the cafe. We are small but energetic. I have only done two arrangements and none at all before that. These gals are teaching me. I currently have flowers dying in the fridge, waiting to be arranged, but I can't find the time. :^(
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2007
9:08 PM

Post #4201565

Wow, finally looked up Ixia. It is gorgeous! Now I have to do some research to see if they will bloom in my area. Ranunculus make beautiful bouquets, Traci. They look like old fashion roses but smaller. I didn't realize columbine was tall Traci. Can it get as tall as hollyhock?

Good luck with the drought. I don't know how y'all deal with it.
pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 16, 2007
10:50 PM

Post #4201952

I saw Ranunculus in Marta Stewart Magazine in a floral arrangement. Love it.
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 16, 2007
10:58 PM

Post #4201992

I had a little tiny one in the greenhouse!

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pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 16, 2007
11:14 PM

Post #4202064

New one for the list!!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2007
11:16 PM

Post #4202073

That's a recent pic terri? How much chill time does it need, anyone know?
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 16, 2007
11:33 PM

Post #4202145

I think that flowered in July, planted the bulbs in mar or april I think. The bulbs are so small and look like claws, I think I planted most upside down!! I only got 3 plants from about 10 bulbs.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2007
11:42 PM

Post #4202183

Does that mean it doesn't need to be chilled? Cool. . .
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 16, 2007
11:44 PM

Post #4202190

I don't know what you mean by chilled, sorry
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2007
11:48 PM

Post #4202208

Well, bulbs that are planted in the fall stays in the ground through winter and blooms in the spring. Alliums for example, I heard does not bloom well here in the south because we don't get cold enough long enough. Does that make any sense?
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 16, 2007
11:53 PM

Post #4202224

I understand now! As far as I know you plant them in the spring and they flower in the summer. They don't survive the winter here in the ground.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2007
11:55 PM

Post #4202232

Thank you! Exactly what I wanted to hear! I want to plant them so bad, but for some reason, I thought they were spring flowers and I haven't had much luck with spring bulbs in the past. One year I planted so many tulips and maybe 3 came up. I also planted grape hyacinths (?) and crocus. . .nothing! Now I'm understanding some bulbs aren't good for certain zones.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 18, 2007
9:33 AM

Post #4206128

Okay, I looked it up, and looks like ranunculus bulbs do not have to be chilled!!!! Great news for me. But I read that you have to treat them like you would dahlias. . .dig them up and store them for the following year. Won't be hard if I just plant them in pots like you did Terri.
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 18, 2007
10:12 AM

Post #4206219

The bulbs are so small Karma, they seem to get lost in the ground for me! Yes I think pots is the way to go!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 18, 2007
10:17 AM

Post #4206234

Goody. . .I'm going to go buy some. Is it too soon to buy though?
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

November 18, 2007
10:28 AM

Post #4206285

I don't usually buy them until spring,along with gladioli and lilies.
pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

November 18, 2007
10:42 AM

Post #4206345

Blooming bulbs is running a sale on them right now. I almost bought them.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

November 18, 2007
10:46 AM

Post #4206372

Oh oh, I already bought gladioli. . .they were on clearance. Thanks Traci. . .will check it out.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
8:48 PM

Post #4579353

Just thought I'd update this thread with seedling pictures from my fall and winter sowing adventure. This is my first year so I'm really proud of the little that I got germinated.

Starting with sweet peas. They grew so fast out of my water bottles that I had to transplant into a slightly bigger pot.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
8:49 PM

Post #4579357

Liatris

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
8:51 PM

Post #4579363

Hollyhock. . .fall sown. . .shouldn't it be bigger than this by now?

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
8:56 PM

Post #4579376

Snapdragons. . .the seeds were so tiny. . .I sowed too many in the milk jug and had to thin them out. For fear of wasting, I transplanted a few into a separate jug.

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terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

February 23, 2008
8:56 PM

Post #4579377

Everything is looking good Karma. Early days on the hollyhock, sure it will grow faster as soon as it gets warmer.
What else have you sown? So pleased you started up this thread again. I'm sure lots of people are sowing seeds or about to!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
9:01 PM

Post #4579388

Thanks Terri.

Amaranthus love lies bleeding. . .these were great. . .germinated within 5 days!

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
9:02 PM

Post #4579392

Bells of ireland. Only one germinated from maybe a dozen. Darn, cuz I love arranging with bells.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
9:04 PM

Post #4579402

Last one for the evening. Will take more pics in the morning.

Yarrow. . .fall sown. . .great as fillers.

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terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

February 23, 2008
9:27 PM

Post #4579521

What colour is your yarrow? I have the pink one and it seeds itself everywhere once you have it.
I haven't tried bells of Ireland, maybe they are just fussy!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
9:33 PM

Post #4579553

The seeds were mixed colors. That was the only one that germinated. I haven't tried them again since. Do you see the little side ones? They just started growing. I wonder if they came from extra seeds that I had sown in one pot, or can they spread? I'm not giving up on all the bells yet. Maybe they're just not ready.
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

February 23, 2008
9:39 PM

Post #4579574

where are you keeping your seedlings? greenhouse? heat or no heat?
It's always better not to disturb the litte pots, some seeds take longer to germinate and will be late to the party!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 23, 2008
9:42 PM

Post #4579590

The yarrow was sown in an open pot outside. Bells were in milk containers. "Better not to disturb the little pots". . .how do you do that??? I can't help taking a peek everyday!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
10:02 AM

Post #4581202

Chinese lantern seedlings. . .looks like it needs to be transplanted?

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
10:03 AM

Post #4581207

Bachelor buttons. . .not sure how great they are as cut flowers.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
10:05 AM

Post #4581212

Coneflowers. . .prob no blooms til next year. . .if it'll survive the summer heat down here.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
10:07 AM

Post #4581219

Canna from seed (1 out of 6 germinated). . .overwintering in the greenhouse.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
10:08 AM

Post #4581224

Agapanthus (lily of the nile)

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gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 24, 2008
11:16 AM

Post #4581507

A well deserved pat on the back! All your babies look perfect, great job! And you've posted a couple I'm sowing and am glad to see what the seedlings look like.

From the conversation last fall on ranunculus, I was wondering if you tried any? I love them, but here its either too hot or too cold at any point to do well for long outdoors. When I have a cool greenhouse, I'll definitely be growing a few in winter. I was thinking they may be a good winter/spring bloomer in your area, and probably hardy there.

Did you start your agapanthus from seed? I have some germinating now :-)
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

February 24, 2008
3:25 PM

Post #4582499

All your seedlings look very healthy Karma. How long will the Canna take to flower?
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 24, 2008
9:15 PM

Post #4583962

Neal, I bought a few packs of the ranunculus, but haven't planted them yet. I'm not sure how they'll do, but I saw some in bloom at HD. I hope I'm not too late in planting them. I also have ixia and anemone bulbs that need to be planted.

Were the agapanthus seeds easy to germinate? Any special techniques or were they wintersown? How exciting you got them growing from seed! I dug up my sister's aggie and divided them for myself. It's nice to know it's not impossible to grow them from seeds. Mine are a deep purple, almost navy. . .I think it's purple cloud. Have never seen any planted around here.

Terri, I have no idea how long Canna will take to flower. I soaked and nicked all the seeds before planting. A lot of work for only one to germinate. Should have just asked for a few off-shoots from my neighbor. But it was exciting to see it sprout.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 25, 2008
8:09 AM

Post #4585326

This is my first go at agapanthus and I just sowed them indoors under lights. I was surprised to see germination starting so quick, about 2 weeks.

I think if you go ahead and get the ranunculus planted you may see a nice show from them before the weather gets hot, that's what makes them melt.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 26, 2008
10:34 AM

Post #4590256

Wished I had more room indoors. The only spot I have right now is on top of my freezer, but my plumeria seedlings are taking over! Have you ever made hawaiin leis at the flower shop, or do they come already made? Would love to have enough plumeria flowers one day to make a lei. I've had no luck growing orchids.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 26, 2008
10:51 AM

Post #4590339

I have maid leis before, but its more cost effective to get them in already maid (which I found out after the fact, LOL). Orchids Direct is a company that imports from growers and they offer dendrobium leis at a good price. I believe they sell to the public as well as to businesses. They offer an amazing selection of cut orchids at really good prices.

[HYPERLINK@orchidsdirect.com]

some pretty pictures to look at whether you want to order or not :-)
pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

February 26, 2008
11:59 AM

Post #4590648

Love the info, gemini! That would be so cool to make for a garden party.

Um...I guess I need to plant my ranunculus as well. Oh, to have 5 extra hours a day!
pupilpropogtr
Birmingham, AL
(Zone 7b)

February 26, 2008
12:25 PM

Post #4590775

May princess Tammy always have Ranunculus!
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

February 26, 2008
1:32 PM

Post #4591103

Thanks for the pretty pictures Gemini-sage, lovely!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 26, 2008
1:54 PM

Post #4591190

Thank you thank you thank you Neal! Will have to call for prices and shipping.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

February 26, 2008
2:45 PM

Post #4591425

If you call, ask for Valerie and tell her Neal had you call. She's super.
starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

February 29, 2008
9:10 AM

Post #4604256

Karma... You asked if your hohhlyhock shouldn't be bigger than that by now. Nope, I have close to 500 of them out here and that all the size mine are too. They are gonna sit there like that til the weather gets nice and warm and they get enough hours of sun then they wil take off. About the middle of March I wil start fertilizing mine and usually by May they are up and have buds ready to open on them.

karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

February 29, 2008
11:18 AM

Post #4604597

Thanks Star! If you have any more advice, you're welcome to share. I don't have much experience sowing seeds. . .and would love any input you may have. 500?!?!?
starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

March 18, 2008
6:53 PM

Post #4679972

Just keep an eye out for Hollyhock rust. It can come if the humidity gets high and keep an eye out for any pests.

Here the reciepe for a spray if ya notice any spots on yours.


Healthy Hollyhock Spray


Here is a recipe I have used on occasion. I got it from a Sharon Lovejoy column in an old Country Living Gardener magazine.

Healthy Hollyhock spray

1 1/2 tsp. baking soda
1 T. canola oil
1/2 tsp. DW soap or Murphy's Oil Soap (I used Murphy's)
1/2 cup white vinegar

Mix with 1 gal. water and spray on hollyhocks every few days. I don't do it regularly, just when I see evidence of rust starting.

500 , yep for a fund raising project.
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

March 18, 2008
9:43 PM

Post #4680650

Hi Star, Thanks for the Hollyhock reciepe. Last year I was lucky and didn't have any rust on the leaves, but I have had it in previous years. Just a couple of questions, what is Canola oil and DW soap? we must have different names for these items!!

starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

March 22, 2008
8:55 AM

Post #4694436

Canola oil is what ya find in the vegatable oil section. The Dw is dishwashing detergent. Sorry about that. Just now realized that the abbreviations for dear wife LOL
terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

March 23, 2008
12:09 PM

Post #4698969

Thanks Star, It looks like I might have the rust already this year. Went out to check on the Hollyhocks, not looking that good. I will mix up some of your magic potion and see if it works, thanks again.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 23, 2008
4:26 PM

Post #4699795

Thanks for the warning Star. What does the rust look like? I'm not seeing anything wrong with yours, but the littles holes in the leaves. Is that a cause of rust? Help!
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 24, 2008
5:59 PM

Post #4704436

Looking at your picture again terri. . .the yellow spots are rust? Will have to be on the lookout for them.

karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 25, 2008
11:59 AM

Post #4707762

Anyone with experience in growing bells of ireland from seed? The one seedling I have has shriveled up and is about to croak! Along with larkspur, it will be going on my giving up list.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2008
1:56 PM

Post #4708218

I grew bells a few years ago, and while I did have a few to mature and flower, they were short and stunted and never reached cutting potential. I had started them indoors under lights and transplanted out. Since then I've learned they like cooler temps, and have wintersown some. No sprouts yet, and these are old seed, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. A friend of mine who liked experimenting with various methods of seed starting used what I'd call a modified wintersowing method and had great success with them last year. He grew them in big containers, and sowed the seed directly into them early, while it was still pretty cool. As the seedlings emerged he covered them with straw to protect them and in June he had a lovely display. Later in summer when it got hot and dry they struggled.

Did you direct sow your larkspur? I think the key is when you sow, which for you would be much earlier than here. March is the best time here to spring sow, while its cool out and we're still getting regular frosts. I've also had good luck sowing in early autumn; they germinate and remain little green rosettes through the winter and start growing when spring comes, and typically bloom earlier than spring sown. Once summer heat sets in, they start to decline, but through June and much of July are stunning. I'm wondering if they would be a good winter grower for you. Perhaps autumn sowing would be worth a try.

I've added several more things to the cutting garden lately. We picked up a bunch of cheap, bagged roses with that in mind. If they do well and end up being permanent, great, but at $4 they were as cheap as a lot of annuals and worth it for a few cut blooms. Have also wintersown some tall brain celocia; there's something kind of gross looking about them, but I like em anyway, lol. I've been thinking about some big dahlias, and out of cheapness decided to start some from seed after I found giant decoratives at Swallowtail Gardens. Then I came across a dahlia tuber co op that I couldn't pass up. So by golly, I'm gonna have dahlias! I have no idea how I'm going to deal with all these seedlings; they like to be warm and since practically every seed germinated, finding space under lights is going to drive me nuts.

jordankittyjo
Bessemer, AL

March 26, 2008
9:31 AM

Post #4711197

sorry to butt in, but thought y'all might be interseted in this
[HYPERLINK@davesgarden.com]
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 26, 2008
9:34 AM

Post #4711202

Neal, I "wintersowed" the bells. Wintersow in quotations because our winter isn't consistently cold. In fact last week, we were in the 80's, and that's when I noticed the bells going downhill. You must be right about their fondness for cooler weather. I also wintersowed larkspur, at the same time as the bells. Nothing yet. I also sowed them in the fall last year. Yarrow germinated and larkspur never showed up. I may just have to buy them as plants.

I started getting to roses as well, especially the david austin ones. But have to tighten up on my budget. . .therefore seeds have been the way to go or grow. Your garden sounds lovely. Hope to see pictures in the spring. I agree about the celosia, but they are very interesting in arrangements.

A few more seeds have germinated here. Pink candle celosia, double pink hollyhock, angelonia, foxglove, and lupine. I hope they aren't all cool weather loving plants.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 26, 2008
9:35 AM

Post #4711206

Kathy, you are not butting in! Thanks for the link.

Lana
jordankittyjo
Bessemer, AL

March 26, 2008
9:37 AM

Post #4711209

karma, the hollyhock and foxglove should do well for you. don't know about the others
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

March 26, 2008
9:40 AM

Post #4711218

Thanks! Angelonia should do well. I collected the seeds from my garden last year.
karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:33 PM

Post #4863589

My first snapdragon bloom from seed!

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:37 PM

Post #4863607

Amaranthus, all chewed up. : (

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:43 PM

Post #4863636

Sweet peas

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:44 PM

Post #4863644

Cosmos getting ready to bloom. . .don't know how much longer.

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:45 PM

Post #4863652

Ranunculus, no show!

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karmaplace
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 8b)

April 25, 2008
4:46 PM

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But the hydrangeas are full of buds. . .getting ready for a big show I hope.

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terriculture
london
(United Kingdom)

April 27, 2008
4:54 PM

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Karma, you have sweet peas already! how lovely. Everything seems to be doing really well, you are always going to get plants chewed up by something or other sometimes!
I haven't seen my Amaranthus coming up yet, hope its still there! Yours is a lovely colour. It's really nice to see flowers from all your hard work sowing seeds.

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