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LorraineR
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 19, 2007
6:29 PM

Post #4101447

I have just gotten some seeds for white Datura. Have not seem them, slthough I probably have and just didn't know. Are they a bush, stemmed flower, sun or shade, etc. When do I plant seeds. It's warm here until Nov. It will be 88 today, but may be 40 tomorrow
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

October 20, 2007
2:27 AM

Post #4102936

Datura are bushes. They can take full sun as long as they have plenty of water. It's too late to start them start them now. I'm in the same zone as you are and start mine in the greenhouse the first week in January. I start them in good draining potting soil about 1/4 inch deep. Datura seeds can germinate in a week or take months so be patient.

The picture is what the seedlings look like.

X

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Tplant
Pembroke Pines, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 20, 2007
6:04 PM

Post #4104565

Should a light be kept on the seeds while waiting for them to sprout?
pensacolagarden
Pensacola, FL
(Zone 8b)

October 20, 2007
6:05 PM

Post #4104568

yes it should...
Tplant
Pembroke Pines, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 20, 2007
6:07 PM

Post #4104575

Thanks...
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

October 20, 2007
7:41 PM

Post #4104755

Actually they don't need light to germinate.

X
LorraineR
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 27, 2007
12:34 AM

Post #4127288

Thanks for all the info. I'm glad I asked if it was a bush. I would have probably planted them all over a bed and would really have been surprised when they came up!!!
AuntAnne
College Station, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 27, 2007
5:45 AM

Post #4128029

I start mine in a southeast facing kitchen window. Works like a champ.

Anne
LorraineR
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 30, 2007
9:03 PM

Post #4140487

Good, I really need some evergreens so my beds don't look so bare in fall and winter. Would you plant them together, you know 3 or 4 together, or separate them.
AuntAnne
College Station, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 30, 2007
9:15 PM

Post #4140527

I separate them but that's me.

Gitagal

Gitagal
Baltimore, MD
(Zone 7a)

October 30, 2007
9:42 PM

Post #4140598

Loraine,

I don't know which white Datura seeds you got, but there is a white Datura that is kind of wild and lanky. I think it is the "native" one and it tends to seed freely and survive the Winters even here (zone7b). I do not think it's growth is attractive (to me).

Just my opinion, but I am not too fond of this variety. Too sprawly.
I have grown two kinds for a couple of years now and I have oodles of seeds from this Summer. One is a double Yellow and the other is a double purple/white metel--very similar to the "Black Currant Swirl". I still don't know the exact difference...

I have also learned the seed germination takes patience. And also that Daturas, once planted up in (say) 4" pots, like to grow to about 4"-5" and get well established before you plant them in a bed. Then just lift them out and plant them gently where they will grow. They just don't like all the disturbing of their roots too much.
Once in a bed--just watch then take off!!!!! You won't believe it! They grow on strong stems and pretty upright--branching freely. I would allow about 5' per datura plant.

If you have started them early. like "X" suggested, you will have plenty of seed pods that will mature on the plants. If you wait to grow them from seed only when the weather gets warm, the plants may not have enough time to go through the seed maturation process. The pods have to be "ripe"--read that as splitting open--before you can pick them. Then remove all the seeds and dry them on a paper plate on top of your fridge.
If some of the seeds fall into your bed, they will come up (most likely) on their own. I read somewhere (maybe on DG) that Datura seeds can stay in the ground for YEARS and then still germinate if they are near the surface.
***And please remember--ALL parts of the Datura are toxic if ingested, so wash your hands well after you have messed with the seeds--or the plant--or the leaves, etc. Same goes for all Morning Glories, Moon Vine, and all Brugmansias. They are all, kind of, in the same family of plants. "Nightshade" group--I believe...
Isn't the Tomato also a distant "relative"????

Hope this helps you somewhat. Of course, all that I am telling you here applies to my zone. TX may be all different. So--take that into account. Let others from YOUR zone give you specific advice.

Gita.

megano24
Ellenboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 14, 2008
8:39 PM

Post #5258774

Can anyone tell me which daturas will survive outside in my zone, I have seen some as I pass by different neighborhoods. and what is the difference between these and Brugmansias are they not sort of cousins ?
AuntAnne
College Station, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 14, 2008
10:43 PM

Post #5259337

What is your zone? It might survive in 8b, I know that my brugs do. You'd just have to mulch like crazy.

Anne
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 15, 2008
1:02 AM

Post #5260018

Both Brugmansia & Datura are in the same family of Solanaceae.

Brugmansia grow into trees, produce brown wood and are perennial in warmer climates. 99% of their flowers point down and are usually called Angels Trumpet. They produce green bean like seed pods.

Datura are annual bushes (except in climates with no frost) and do not produce brown wood. Their stems and trunks are almost always green but a few have black stems. Their flowers point up and are mistakenly called Angels Trumpet but are acutally Devils Trumpet. They produce round, spikey or bumpy seed pods that can literally explode when ripe throwing seeds all over the place if the pod is not well hydrated.

All parts of both are toxic, especially to children and pets. The roots, stems, flowers, leaves and seeds contain the chemicals atropine, scopolamine and hyoscyamine in varying concentrations.

X

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Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

July 15, 2008
1:04 AM

Post #5260024

What is really interesting is that bud from each look exactly alike!

X

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megano24
Ellenboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 15, 2008
1:33 AM

Post #5260203

I guess it would help if I said where I was (duh) I'm in 7 zone, I live between asheville and charlote I'm in a kind of a weird place I'm not in the foothills but also not in the peidmont.
megano24
Ellenboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 15, 2008
2:26 AM

Post #5260556

Xeramtheum Thanks for the info I have both kinds, I could see a big difference in them but had no idea which was which! I bought them from the Flea Market in Chesnee SC really cheap, $2.50 each made me very happy, but he was calling them some very strange names and I knew enough to know they were Brugs or Daturas
Kittylover
Carrollton, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 24, 2008
8:30 PM

Post #5462236

When I bought mine at the nursery they said Datura metel - is hardier - I got Datura metel w/ purple petticoats

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Tallulah_B

Tallulah_B
(Susan) Calgary, AB
(Zone 3b)

August 24, 2008
8:52 PM

Post #5462307

Gitagal:
re: Tomatoes - member of Nightshade family
Yes, they are a distant cousin, and were considered not fit to eat.

Alexander W. Livingston (whose mother told him NOT to eat them, said - "Tomatoes are poisonous, for even the hogs will not eat them") became a famous horticulturalist, bred improved strains of seeds and introduced a tomato called Paragon. "It was," he wrote, "the first perfectly and uniformly smooth tomato ever introduced to the American public."

Livingstone is considered the pioneer of modern Amerian tomato growing, and his Paragon started breeders and growers on a quest, now into it's second century, for the truly perfect tomato.

I got the above info from a Time-Life book on gardening :-)

-Susan-
fenton13
southampton
United Kingdom

September 16, 2010
5:56 AM

Post #8101868

first time taking seeds and as you see we live in the south of england have had no success on cutting daturas down and over wintering have lost all for the last 2years so have reverted to seed collecting have 4 really beatifull pink 2 varities might winter in doors this year not sure what to do any advice would be really helpfull hoping if lose mine i will have some success with seeds did try taking root cutting put in water as read it just went soggy help fenton 13.

Gitagal

Gitagal
Baltimore, MD
(Zone 7a)

September 16, 2010
6:16 AM

Post #8101908

Lorraine--

Here is a picture of my double (triple?) purple and white Datura from this Summer.
Note it's size! This is ONE plant--from ONE seed.

Sometimes these need some staking or other support...

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Gitagal

Gitagal
Baltimore, MD
(Zone 7a)

September 16, 2010
6:21 AM

Post #8101917

Here is what the seed "apples" look like.
These have split and have been removed. Each "pod" gas close to 100 seeds in it.

This time of year--check regularly to see if any of the "pods" have split.
As soon as you see a split--CUT the pod off! Do not try to pull it off by hand!
The outer covering is soft--like pith--and the whole thing will come apart in your hand...

Then--run and wash your hands!!!!

Gita

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Tallulah_B

Tallulah_B
(Susan) Calgary, AB
(Zone 3b)

September 16, 2010
7:56 AM

Post #8102078

Daturas Do Not grow by cuttings. They grow by seed only. Yes, wash your hands anytime you touch the seeds, pods, flowers or leaves!! Any part of the plant. You Do Not want to touch your eyes, or any sensitive part of your body after touching the plant...

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 21, 2010
10:32 PM

Post #8224548

Quoting: Datura are annual bushes (except in climates with no frost) and do not produce brown wood. X


Correction: Daturas are perennials grown as annuals in the North. They can be wintered over in a dormant or semi dormant stage potted and left in an above freezing spot. The white blooming Datura (Datura inoxia) is nicknamed Moonflower.

Datura seeds do not need light while sprouting since they are planted in the soil and covered. They need light once they have sprouted which can be from 10 days, to a month.


Daturas do not come true from seeds if more than one variety is grown at the same time. They cross hybridize. If pure seeds are wanted from a particular variety, grow only that variety.



This message was edited Nov 21, 2010 11:33 PM

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 21, 2010
10:38 PM

Post #8224552

Here is Datura inoxia x Datura metel (yellow ballerina, Datura metel) I grew both a few year ago, collected the seeds and here is what I got. Actually, it became my favorite since some blooms tend to be double, others are not, on the same plant.

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Tallulah_B

Tallulah_B
(Susan) Calgary, AB
(Zone 3b)

November 21, 2010
11:17 PM

Post #8224570

Daturas will self-seed and do better if not planted. Yes, they will sprout if planted, but just leaving them alone and waiting for the heat of the sun, rain and light will get them growing more vigorously. They are definitely Perennials, and I grow them as annuals in the North.
Here is my yellow Ballerina Metel

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