Wow! They are gorgeous. Omure yama is stunning, and you have enhanced its beauty by the plants you have around it. Pardon me, but I'm just an ol' southern gardener. Is that ticseed (coreopsis) in the pot with Koto-no-ito? The JM are great. Thanks for the photos. I've admired your plants before.
I believe that is the natural form of a weeping/mounding Japanese maple. It has only been limbed up to show off that wondrous structure. This is the reason why I am such an advocate of grafting low, this beauty can't be matched by a high grafted tree IMO.
Here I'm not sure how tall it will get. With the 8 foot fence behind it up a 2 foot level I'm sure that it's not going to stay below 9 feet though. I had to move it last winter because it was going to be too wide for it's space. I'm not sure that it even has room now in the long run but c'est la vie. It's the best I could do for it.
Yes my A.J. Aconitifolium is basically the only one with much color but with 30's in the forecast and having had some rain I expect more next week ...unfortunatly the spring freeze and summer heat has effected many and most have only seconday leaves making them sort of sparce freeze zapped primary ones... The Aconitifolium is one of the few uneffected by about everything including strong winds...also my A.J. Green Cascade but it hasn't changed color yet...overall I don't expect much of a show this year...hopefully next spring will be "normal" oddly my aconitiflium looks just like yours and you live much farther south !! David
The only JM that hasn't starting turning for me yet is the good old Bloodgood. Red Dragon is just starting. Red Trompenburg was rather poor this year which is surprising since the rest put on the best show ever. Shirasawanum wasn't great either but perhaps it will improve over the next few days.
Finally have a bit of color to show you. My Sango Kaku (Coral Bark) is turning, but has a two-tone effect at the moment. First a wide angle shot. My tree is about 7 feet tall this year, but needs filling in. I'm hoping it will do that in the next year or two.
Here are three pics of my Aconitifolium last wee ...Now it is totally bright red ...I will send a couple of this weeks ltr als my Green cascade is relly nice now I will send that too others just a starting but it looks like color will be good this year but trees are sparce!!!
Actually you are both wrong ...this rather normal cold spell unlike last falls 18 degrees in mid oct. is from the Artic ... and Todds remnants of either a tropical storm or hurrican ( I think it was both at times) was from at least the carribean or more likely the Atlantic off Africa HA!!!! David
HUMMMM the leaf form and truncated lobe looks like an Aratama ...but knowhere in any written book web site or dvd/cd is their any mention of the Aratama EVER being golden yellow in fall. Mine isn't it's bright red and every other one I have seen is bright ot dark red ALL season including fall . Now it could be some sort of soil deficiency ,,,but I seriously doubt it ... It may be related to an Aratama ...an offspring or sport or something but I don't think it is a true Aratama ...That doesn't take away from its beauty or value as a really beautiful JM it just doesn't fit as an Aratama cultivar.
Looks similar and the first one I've seen like that ...there are an awlful lot of cultivars around that are called this and that and slightly vary from nursery to nursery and area of country... alot of confusion over what is what and grafting and regrafting can cause anomolies of varias types and characteristics so the original cultivar from Japan has a specific subspecies name while the oregon one has another ...I would go by Vertrees (and even mountainh maples says its red summer spring and fall even though theirs ISN'T!!!) so I would suspect this is a subspecies of the Aratama ...that may be a good thing since this is one very UNHARDY plant which is very suseptable to early frosts /freeze and wetness problems causing psuedonomous ...I have personally lost two and WOULD not recommend it to beginners ...My third one is doing ok but I know now how to treat it ...water sparingly plant up really high and take inside in winter until all chance of freeze or frost is over .A beautiful plant in whatever form but only recommended for experienced growers!!!! David
I had some free time and did a little internet serching and checking...funny thing 99 % of all scources including the eastwood CD says red spring greenish red to red summer and red fall ...The only ones to say otherwise including mountain Maples in "part" of their description ALL USE THE SAME EXACT PHOTO THAT YOU LINKED .AND THE DESCRIPTIONS WERE EXACTLY IDENTICAL TO THE WORD !!!!! I think that is not only a bit strange but suspect .. leaving me to believe that one wrong description was copied by others...kind of like tall tales of old ...anyway I found this pretty darn interesting ...David
This is Toyamo Nishiki; it's still pretty small, as it is uniquely prone to sunburn if it gets so much as a whiff of afternoon sun here in the midwest, so I had to move it to a shadier spot. It never does get too big apparently. In spring it is a swirling mix of cream, green and pink.
I have my next batch of pics to post if I ever can make a decision of which one or two da wife took looks best ...I have at least 12 really neat ones of my aconitifolium too many choices not enough time... I would have to put that tree in a must have category especially for colder zones and windy spots ...it is an amazing tree...buy a larger one if you can...it's worth it... in a 1-5 star rating system I would have to give it a 5 ( 1 being "eh" 5 being "wow"...David
Here is a maple that my brother found as a seedling. He named Acer Palmatum Winter Gold. This is the summer color. The branches are very yellow and in the winter against the snow it is very pronounced. It is almost a must to wear sun glasses when viewing this tree in the sun and snow.
I have to second the 'Fjellheim' comment. This is probably my most colorful tree through most of the year. Even in summer the new growth is tipped nicely with pinkish orange. Unfortunately this one and 'Aconitifolium' were the only trees of mine that colored up well because of the recent hard frosts we've had.
I'll also add that this dwarf of 'Sango kaku' seems to be a bit tougher in most respects. I have yet to see any dieback in my couple of years with it, although I don't know how well it would perform in the north. Oddly enought, it seems to be more heat and sun tolerant than its parent. Anthracnose has been the only thing that has left any damage to my two 'Fjellheim'.
Very pretty! Hogyoku is one I've been hoping to see posted. Oto Hime is a real looker.
I drove around to some nurseries today to see their JMs. Fall color is mostly brown, even on the oldest trees. Sango Kaku is the exception. I'll try and get some pics processed this weekend. One of the nurseries is in Virginia Beach, VA, and has quite a number of mature trees. They have a very high-grafted Crimson Queen with a display area under it's branches. It's trunk is as big as a person's arm.
I did not leave without a couple of baby trees, but more on that later.
Next Werners dwarf I LOVE THIS TREE!!! I also have the Werners Pagota byut I left it in too much sun ...I am tryiong to complete my collection with the Werners Little Leaf..almost inpossible to find but I will prevail!!
Hubbs Red Willow red in spring to fall this is pre crisped photo I can't wait til it grows a bit the last one sorry I took up so much I will post some full color photos of my Werners unless it gets hit in the nest few days by super cold ...I have NO idea what it will look like as I said the werners series is phenominal!!!!
That's interesting about Acontifolium holding onto its leaves longer--I didn't know this. We had Hurricane Noel last week, and big winds on the Cape today, but the color continues on.
Edited to add; ignore the dates on the photo--my camera needs to have its dating corrected. I took this photo two days ago.
Thats a pretty old tree...I think in general the older the tree as far as JM's the better they take just about everything nature brings...the Aconitifolium may be an exception in that even younger trees seem to be "strong",...I also think most trees( that arn't fast growing trash trees) including Jm's take several years in the ground before they really take off proving again probably the most impotrtant part of of the JM growing process is getting a good root growth therefore starting with a bigger tree with an established root system is VERY important especially in borderline JM areas ...Of course any such statement must be tempered with what happened last spring when many smaller trees closer to the ground where they stayed warmer did a "bit" better but older trees also seem to bwe more in sinc with weather patterns after wexperiencing them for several years and that may help also David
Impressive collection David...these aconitifoliums are really growing on me. To think, I had a source for these a few years back but have not seen them in 4 years. I'm kicking myself now. My Bloodgood has a few leaves left but thats it. All my potted JM are set into the ground for the winter.
Thanks for the explanation, David. That makes sense. I put this particular tree in two years ago, when it was already a good size.
Interesting that you say that the Acontifolium may just be a strong tree. Below is a photo of a younger tree that I put in last Fall (2006). It too seemed to weather the recent nor'easter winds without losing leaves.
(edited to say that you can see that I temporarily staked this one because of the forecast of 85 mph wind gusts.)
Yes this has not been a great year for color ...it was just too dang warm in sept and Oct and then just as stuff was starting to turn we has low to mid 20's for two nights ...Supposedly you need 2 weeks of lower 40's to mid 30's at night to bring on color we just didn't have that ...I don't think the dryness helped either. If we don't have any REALLY cold weather I should have a few more shots ltr next week and that will be it. All the pics shown have been great my favs have been Daves ( da other one) 30 year old Green Cascade PHENOMENAL!!!!!!! and the older Aconitifolium by Cape CodG...FABULOUS!!!! i also liked zone D Waterfall...and Doss's trees speak for themselves...
Todd I would also look into Green Cascade it seems to also be wind resistant and VERY hardy it is always suggested for nothern climates Da other "Dave" David
Needed Temps may differ if your season is long enough IE your Aconitifolium just changed mine started several weeks ago...I think it was an overly broad statement on my part ...but around here with disiduous trees that is the general rule of thumb since generally the average frost date is oct 15 and killing frost date can happen any time after that so if you habve warm temps in sept and Oct you are NOT likely to have them continue much longer thus no color before freeze ...since you never get nearly as cold I think if we had the same season here we would naturally get color in Nov or even Dec whereas visa versa you wouldn't...
I like both the Werners ...the Pagoda has a pagoda liker growth pattern with areas of groqwth up the trunk like a pagota andf can be trained to look like that even more if you wish ...the leaves are small and pretty ...it is a 'thick" tree not wimpy...the dwarf is similar but longer branched and has very pretty serratted leaves close groupings kind of a combo of a dwrarf and larger tree...both have a very specimen look about them... I think the pagoda will have more yellow rust fall color ( mine got too much sun so I don't know this year but next I will protect it a bit more ) the Dwarf looks to be red fall color and I should have photos soon ...amazingly it hasn't turned yet and showed no damage at all from 2- 20 degree nights whereas Even the Aconitifolium was hit and it is about 15 ft. away and also has tree canopy cover ... I really don't know there is just something about them...David
Great! I'll have to see if I can get one, they are supposed to be difficult to grow here due to the PH in the water. I bought a acid supplement for my soil, seem to be ok so far.
Where is St. Johns, NL?
Beautiful tree Dave ...a great legacy from your Dad... I would suspect growing in your area ( which is not greatly differnt from mine) that the tree is many decades old maybe planted in the 60's or 70's ..am I close???? David
Wow ...thats pretty good growth...even for a seedling tree...but I guess 25 years is a long time I was guessing 30+ ...Pretty impressive IMHO...There are NO trees that size at the St. Louis botanical gardens...that must be much older.but varieties do vary..but photos are really hard for prospective... how tall and wide is it... I assume you weren't lying on the ground taking that pic ;>) HA!!!! so I assume it is really big...and besides the size the shape, form and color are really nice.impressive!!!!... Now no photos with your kids standing next to it or a hired little person ...:>)))))) David
If you buy an ungrafted tree there is no guarantee that it will turn out the same as the cultivar. Ungrafted trees are most often seedlings although some of them come from cuttings. If it is a cutting then it will be true to the parent but there is really no way to tell in a young tree. If you want a certain cultivar, the only way you can be really sure that you are getting what you want is to buy a grafted tree. I have several seedlings that I love. JM seedlings are generally hardier than grafted trees and can take more difficult conditions but you won't know the characteristics of the tree ahead of time.
Thought you might enjoy this photo of a very old Crimson Queen at the nursery I have mentioned before. Most won't appreciate the shape in general, as it looks a bit like a tall umbrella, but for a nursery, it provides a place for display underneath, which is how I've seen it in the past. This tree has a girth on its trunk about three inches across, which is very large for a Crimson Queen. Hopefully you get an idea of the scale, it's huge!
The top of the tree is beautiful and I uderstand your disclaimer as far as putting stuff under ...but you've got to admit it really looks silly almost fake I guess the word would be unatural ... but I do love the upper branching...It wouild make a good adv. for not buying high grafted dissectums in the extreeme ... ;>) David
Thanks for the info, Todd. We don't have a "fall" here, so we rarely see beautiful color. Thanks for this vicarious experience! I've studied the pics and want all of them! :-)
I have a sango kaku (have had for 3 years) and enjoy the red bark, but I think we need colder weather for it to be brilliant red, yes?
I also have 6 more JM's in planters, and 3 are "Garnet" and I can't think of the name of the other cultivar. They are supposed to be more heat-resistant, and have done well so far, under the canopy of motts of Red Oaks, which are native here.
Connie, Sango Kaku's bark will turn quite bright in areas where the temp doesn't go below freezing. It's would never what I would call a brilliant red. It's a coral barked tree. If your tree isn't a good coral color then you may have a mismarked tree.
Connie, you can see the color of the main trunk on mine further up the page. The reddish color is much more intense in the younger wood. My tree is about 7 feet tall now at the tip, and has been in my yard for about 8 years. It was only a couple of feet tall when I planted it.
Your maple is defintely a coral bark whatever the actual cultivar ...looks like a Sango .That is one of the many things negative about this tree IMHO ...it shows less and less red as it gets older since only new young branches show any brilliance... now this could be 10-20 years in some areas... if you are lucky enough to have it live that long so early on the color should be good... but there are other coral barks that are superior in every way including showing more brilliance even with age...Of course everyone here should by now know my opinion of this tree...If your Sango is doing well after 3 years consider yourself lucky reguadless of intensity of color...David
You are very lucky to have such nice lookin trees!! as are all of those midwesterners in northern Il and elsewhere at that lattitude ...just travel 100-200 miles south or farther and your trees would not look like that ... they would have likely survived last springs debacle cause they are older... but would have ONLY had secondaey leaves and be sparce to say the least and may have had some limb damage and die back!!! David
Thanks for the compliment, doss. The Nishiki Gawa I bought only two years ago, so it was already very large. The Scolopendrifolium I brought with me from my previous garden, so I've had that for 11 years all told, 5 yrs in its current spot. (It even spent a scorching summer b&b and mulched in the shade during construction- still happy!) The other two are pretty small; I'll just have to be patient! I have a habit of trolling nurseries in October, picking over the woodies they have that no one has bought. Great sales!
David, I am repeatedly surprised by the tenacity of these trees. Technically, I am in zone 5b, so I should have crappy looking JMs, but they do so well here. All but the Butterfly/Sango Kaku types. They always look ratty by Spring. I have a Sango Kaku because I just love them so much, but it's a struggle to keep it pretty.
So a summer in burlap. It never fails to amaze me how tough these trees can be. I just finally moved a tree again that I had moved last year. It's in a much better spot right now but hope for me that it makes the move without too much shock.
I have my green thumbs crossed for you, Doss!
Alongside the Scolopendrifolium, I had a dogwood and a weeping katsura. The katsura got mechanical damage and died this summer of fungal infection (I still sob over the loss) and the dogwood barely lasted the summer (2004).
Laura, I'm sorry to disappoint, but I have no other pics of the Omurayama yet. I'm going to have to stake it this spring. Mine is only 4' right now. Where did you get yours?
I ordered my Omura Yama from a very nice lady who sells her trees from her yard. She goes and gets them from the tree nursery and then sends them on. She sent me a photo and I gave her the thumbs up. It was very well packed and reasonably priced, I think.