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Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 24, 2007
11:32 PM

Post #4120111

Out guest chased a smaller bird (sparrow of some sort I think) into a window. We went in and when we came back out both the dead (knocked out?) bird and this one were gone. There weren't any feathers as if the sparrow was eaten. Could the larger bird have carried off the smaller bird, or does this mean it got away?

Oh yeah, and can anyone ID this bird? If it helps, this is Tucson, AZ.

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Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 24, 2007
11:34 PM

Post #4120121

Here's a picture at another angle.

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adelbertcat
Klamath River, CA

October 25, 2007
12:03 AM

Post #4120211

Could it be a Merlin?
pelletory
Marlton, NJ

October 25, 2007
12:23 AM

Post #4120272

Looks like a Coopers to me.

Lets see what everyone else says. :-)
pelletory
Marlton, NJ

October 25, 2007
12:47 AM

Post #4120356

Nice pics!! :-)
adelbertcat
Klamath River, CA

October 25, 2007
12:56 AM

Post #4120396

Pelle the first book I looked at didn't look like a Coopers but I checked a second book that has photos not drawings and I have to agree it's a Coopers.
Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2007
1:06 AM

Post #4120439

Another shot in a similar pose to the first.

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Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2007
1:07 AM

Post #4120441

This shot is similar to the second.

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Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2007
1:09 AM

Post #4120448

You can see a picture of Cooper's Hawk on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper%27s_Hawk
Dirus
Tucson, AZ
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2007
1:12 AM

Post #4120455

Also from Wikipedia: Cooper's Hawk (left), Sharp-shinned Hawk (right)

Depending which picture you look at, it could be either. I guess I'm more convince of a Cooper's Hawk since it can straighten out.

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pelletory
Marlton, NJ

October 25, 2007
2:14 AM

Post #4120690

The Coopers has a continuous line from head into beak; like a C and the Sharpie has a different one like 2 C's almost.

Coopers on left in these pics. (These are not my photos but friends Bob & Bernie)

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Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

October 25, 2007
9:01 AM

Post #4121271

Cooper's Hawk for me too. In addition to what's been mentioned already, note the rounded tail tip (square-ended in Sharp-shinned), and the stout legs and talons (slender in S-s).

Resin
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

October 25, 2007
11:40 AM

Post #4121447

So pelletory, is that Bob on the left and Bernie on the right?
pelletory
Marlton, NJ

October 25, 2007
11:46 AM

Post #4121466

LOL :-)

Loonie1

Loonie1
Rowlett, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 25, 2007
7:47 PM

Post #4122906

Dirus, GREAT photos!!!

Carla
duckmother
North Little Rock, AR
(Zone 7b)

October 26, 2007
2:46 PM

Post #4125576

Thank you for the wonderful photos and great explanations. I have the hardest time telling them apart.

ducky

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

October 26, 2007
11:43 PM

Post #4127143

Pelle, Thanks for those comparison shots of the hawks!! we still are not sure which one we have seen in our yard 3 times now. I need to print that or something.
jws1949
Milwaukee, WI

October 27, 2007
1:37 AM

Post #4127482

Coopers and Sharpshins can be very difficult to tell apart. The female Sharpie and Male Cooper are approximately the same size. Coopers are about crow-sized and Sharpies are about Blue Jay size but the female hawks are bigger than the males. That being said, look at the head sizes of both--the Sharpie has a very small head and the Cooper's is more proportionate to its body while the Sharpie's looks undersized. Does this make sense? But I agree with Resin in that the rounded tail is a pretty good identifying guide when you can see it this clear. Plus the red eye is an indicator of an adult. Immature's tails also are kind of scraggly and hard to tell if its rounded or square. I'd say Cooper's also.
Jimbo

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

October 27, 2007
1:57 AM

Post #4127526

so rude of me... I meant to say earlier, those are fantastic shots Dirus!!
boojum
Shelburne Falls, MA
(Zone 5a)

October 29, 2007
12:53 PM

Post #4134944

I saw this raptor when I lived in Tucson (1996-1998) and have always wondered what it was! Thanks for the great info. Wonderful pics Dirus!
bigears
karsiyaka Mersin 10
Turkey

November 1, 2007
3:46 PM

Post #4146903

Looks like a Sparrow Hawk, but not sure if they are in your country. I have seen them in UK.

OldNed

OldNed
Merritt Island, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 1, 2007
5:26 PM

Post #4147284

The USA has three Accipiter species...none is your Eurasian Sparrow Hawk.

We do have a small falcon which used to be known as a Sparrow Hawk-now changed to American Kestrel (but many here still call it a Sparrow Hawk).

Seedtosser1

Seedtosser1
Glenview, IL

November 1, 2007
5:34 PM

Post #4147308

Wow!! Incredible photos.

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

November 1, 2007
6:38 PM

Post #4147519

[quote]Looks like a Sparrow Hawk, but not sure if they are in your country[/quote]
It is a close relative:

Sparrowhawk: Accipiter nisus
Cooper's Hawk: Accipiter cooperi

Resin

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