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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 30, 2007
11:26 PM

Post #4140909

Here are some astilbes going dormant. It's a nice gold

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 30, 2007
11:28 PM

Post #4140916

A small Japanese Maple in a shady corner

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 30, 2007
11:50 PM

Post #4140988

A coleus

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

October 31, 2007
3:12 PM

Post #4143130

doss, I've enjoyed your pictures esp. since my shade garden has almost gone to bed for the year the only thing I have blooming are the monk's hood and practically the only thing living in there right now, the drought really did a number on it this summer. Wish I had a picture to share of my monk's hood but no camera :)

What is that fern to the left of your JP Maple? It's really pretty is that the tree fern? I love how different shoots are coming up!

doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 31, 2007
3:41 PM

Post #4143211

Yes, it's a tree fern. In the long run it will get too big for that spot though. I'll have to move it to a place where it gets space of it's own.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

October 31, 2007
3:51 PM

Post #4143249

I wondered about that lol I would so love to be able to grow one of those!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 31, 2007
4:24 PM

Post #4143364

Luckily they are very slow growing but can get very tall over time. I have a lot of shady places to move it to or perhaps it will get a new home with someone after awhile.
bonitin
Gent
Belgium
(Zone 8a)

October 31, 2007
8:13 PM

Post #4144038

The autumn dress of Begonia grandis;
I love this plant! It grows in almost full shade in my garden

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 31, 2007
8:14 PM

Post #4144040

beautiful bonitin. What's the fern?
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

October 31, 2007
8:48 PM

Post #4144128

That fern is beautiful! This thread gives me zone envy soo much and shade envy my shade is going down hill, I have lots of shade trees all around but they are starting to fall apart I've planted a lot of different shrubs and have some trees to plant but it takes them so long to have good shade!

I should really stay away from this forum just makes me want more shade plants lol

That Begonia is beautiful too and that is a perennial for you, wow!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 31, 2007
9:49 PM

Post #4144323

Here are some begonias still blooming.

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 1, 2007
3:58 AM

Post #4145690

LOVELY!

What are the thin leaves from on the left? Those ferns look nice with those begonias too! I have several ferns, I love them. Wish I had a camera.

Do you have any monk's hood? I planted some last year from a trade on here and their first blooms were really nice, hoping to get seed to start some more but hear they are dificult.
bonitin
Gent
Belgium
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2007
12:44 PM

Post #4146269

Thank you Doss and Lebug!, the fern is Polystichum setiferum. I have a whole collection of them in my garden. They stay beautiful all year round.
Yes Lebug this Begonia is hardy in my zone, I think even in your Zone, at least according to PF.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/722/
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 1, 2007
3:08 PM

Post #4146800

They are hardy here will try and get some seed somewhere I think I have another spot where they would get morning sun and they would do good I like the color of the foliage in the fall on them! I think my shade garden would flood too much for them in the spring and when we have wet summers. I didn't realize we had perennial begonias around here, I do see were 'ladyfern' grows them and she is just a few towns from me. Thanks doss :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 1, 2007
3:33 PM

Post #4146859

I thought that they might be polystichum setiferum. I"ve just added quite a few to mygarden. I love the foliage and the fact that they are evergreen. The fern with the begonias is mother fern. Here's a photo of the whole fern. Not hardy below my zone unfortunately.

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 1, 2007
3:48 PM

Post #4146909

Those are pretty! Kind of looks like my bradford or red stemed lady ferns sorry don't know the botanical names. I have two that are evergreen they are one of the JP Holly fern and the Christmas fern. Almost lost my JP Holly fern to the drought and late freeze this year in the spring, thought it was a gonner but it came back.

Weren't you in the fern coop that I was in doss? I got a few in that:

Makino's holly Ghost Fern ~ I think this is the one that is blue, very pretty!
Brilliance Autumn
Tatting Fern
Japanese Holly Fern ~ different than the one I have.
bonitin
Gent
Belgium
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2007
4:37 PM

Post #4147106

Very pretty ferns, Doss. I love the lace-like fronds with the nice contrast of the dark stems...
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 1, 2007
5:49 PM

Post #4147350

I was in the fern coop but opted out as things got more and more confusing.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 5, 2007
3:05 AM

Post #4158570

doss, your garden looks lovely in the fall colors. I also enjoy the golden shades of the plants going dormant. Sometimes I think the fall color changes in plants are the most beautiful of all the seasons.

bonitin, The gold and reds in your Begonia grandis is spectacular. I think I'll find room for a few next year.

This Hydrangea in the shade garden has turned to it's fall color. I particularly like this photo for the fence shadow on the tree. The shadows in the fall garden seem to add to the drama of the season.

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:16 AM

Post #4158594

That's a very pretty combination of the texture of the trunk of the tree, the hydrangea, polygonatum and the other foliage there. The fence shadow is beautiful. I love the hydrangea flowers late in the fall also.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 5, 2007
5:26 AM

Post #4158864

Thank you doss. In the fall I always look longingly at the tree forms of hydrangea in the neighborhood, but I just don't have the room.
I still have tourenia blooming but I cheated and fall planted pansies with the heuchera.

edited to say- the Bronze Wave heuchera leaves have turned from deep maroon to almost black and the Kimono has picked up pink tones in the colder weather.
I'm having a little trouble with the size of the photos sometimes with my newer camera.

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:37 PM

Post #4159891

Here's some photos from last year and this year, all taken Oct/Nov in the shaded beds. This is two erysimums and a hellebore, at the foot of a silver maple.

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:42 PM

Post #4159909

Here's oxalis siliquosa and a plectranthus 'aureum' fighting it out

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:43 PM

Post #4159917

Here the patch of oxalis in the photo above, is spilling over into the bed below, where it mixes with a bearded iris (they are reblooming right now) and the gorgeous leaves of variegated aucuba 'Gold Dust'.

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:47 PM

Post #4159928

This is a gorgeous mix of shade foliage, L-R: calla lily leaves, variegated alstroemeria (too shady for it to bloom much, but the foliage is pretty!), white bacopa, plectranthus 'aureum', brunnera 'Jack Frost', and an unknown palm I got from HDepot as a houseplant that is threatening to grow a lot bigger than I thought:

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:48 PM

Post #4159932

A great bloomer in the shade is lamium 'Purple Dragon'. It'll survive dry spells, but needs moderate water to really bloom well.

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
3:49 PM

Post #4159934

Although it doesn't bloom per se, the color of a 'Sundowner' phormium (New Zealand flax) stands out as brightly as any flower!

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 5, 2007
4:07 PM

Post #4159970

Thanks for posting all of these jkom. What a great mix of foliage and colors. Do you have to keep after these beds to keep them from getting out of control? I've found that's my biggest problem with mixing foliage - plants tend to get in each other's spaces.
Semp - I love the pine cones mixed in with your heuchera and pansies. It gives such a woodland feel.
jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 6, 2007
2:57 AM

Post #4162306

Yes, I do have to thin some of those plants periodically - the curse of living in mild-winter zones like ours, LOL!

Interestingly enough, I find I love my shade beds more than the sunny ones - something about the mix of shapes, colors and textures that is endlessly fascinating. But my (few) roses need sunshine to bloom, so I guess it's good that our property is just about half sun and half shade.

Love the shots of hydrangeas because I adore them. Late last year I finally got a couple of 'Endless Summer' plants. I've found they actually need more sun than the standard H. macrophylla. I'd love to get a 'Limelight' hydrangea and am currently considering rearranging four different beds - that 'domino' effect, I'm afraid - to have the room to put one in.

BTW, an excellent fern - and cheap, you can sometimes find it at Home Depot - is Microlepia. It's one of the few ferns that does very well in dry shade. In fact, with water it gets absolutely enormous and leans all over its neighbors. This shot was taken when the fern was 2 yrs old, growing from a 1-gallon container. It is now three times that width and twice as tall - way bigger than the label said it would be. I have several others in drier places, and they are much more manageable in size. It is a beautiful fern, altho unfortunately it is not a good cutting fern.

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sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 6, 2007
11:28 AM

Post #4162945

jkom, I have to agree with doss, you have a rich tapestry of textures and colors. It's interesting to see in your first photo the hellebore is blooming now, mine won't start until late winter. But right next to it I think I see the leaves of Arum italicum ? If I identified that correctly mine is at the same stage, the leaves have just returned from a brief dormancy. I like your mix of ground covers.
My shade gardens feel a little bare right now since I started moving some of the more aggressive growers so the spring ephemerals have a better chance. The right ground covers add that fullness that makes the shade garden really shine. The Hardy Cyclamen are blooming now, but these did so well in my shade garden they have been banished to the front under the yews.

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gardenlady123

gardenlady123
Plainwell, MI
(Zone 5b)

November 6, 2007
1:03 PM

Post #4163237

Wow very pretty ladies!!! My yard is in ful color also. The yellow wax bells are changing colors and it is so pretty. does any one have the obiedent plants they are very pretty this time of year. Mine a re a bright purple. And I really love them. They have spread but not to much they have been there for about 5 years now. I really would like to get some more of them. Really do not have to much in blossom now. Oh I do have some more Toad Lilies open they are very nice. Last year I moved them all together that really made a difference. If I get the chance I will take some photos right now we are working on plumbing problems... urgh. Ronna

doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 6, 2007
4:34 PM

Post #4164018

hope that your plumbing gets resolved gardenlady. Your shade garden sounds lovely.

What a pretty fern, jkom. You must have a very good home depot. It sounds as if it can get really big but sometimes that's just what you want.

Semper - I love the pattern on those cyclamen leaves. Beautiful.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 6, 2007
6:14 PM

Post #4164386

jkom51,
What is that plant under your Microlepia? I have a lady fern that is turning the golden color right now, gosh wish I could take some pictures, maybe next year...sigh Your combinations are beautiful! I wish I had the talent for that!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 6, 2007
6:29 PM

Post #4164440

Here's Japanese Maple Bloodgood. It is in bright shade but gets no sun directly on it.

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jkom51
Oakland, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 7, 2007
2:55 AM

Post #4166191

LeBug, under the Microlepia fern, L-R, is:

1) Dwarf fragrant rhododendron from Singing Gardens, lost the name of it
2) Hellebore foetidus
3) Unknown purple bearded iris
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 7, 2007
6:06 AM

Post #4166669

jkom51, must be the shape of the Hellebore foetidus leaves that I like so much there, everything goes so well together too, nice job!

doss, that bloodgood is really nice too how old is it, looks to be about 4 yrs. old? I soo want one of those :) That grass looks really nice there too sets the bloodgood off, nice contrast with all of the plants!

doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 7, 2007
4:32 PM

Post #4167756

The bloodgood has been in the garden about 5 years. It's in a very hard environment with no sun and a lot of root competition from the redwoods all around it. There are some evergreen hydrangeas behind it and I'm looking forward to see them cover the fence. They are slow growing at about 1 foot per year so it's going to take some time but I think that they will be worth it.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 7, 2007
10:33 PM

Post #4168944

I wondered if those were climbing hydrangeas, Iíve never seen one in person only pictures on here, they will be so worth it, those things are beautiful!

Well if you have the redwoods you won't have to worry about your shade for a while, I've been to the big redwood park, Squalia? Not sure how to spell it but that park is something else, I could live there, didn't even want to leave :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 7, 2007
11:24 PM

Post #4169063

Sequoia? It's a wonderful place all right. I have 3 redwoods, a black walnut (not great for planting under), a lot of birch trees (not great because they are so shallow rooted though) and two huge oak trees. The neighbors have the other side of my fence lined with redwoods so I've got a lot of shade. I wish that I could grow the regular kind of climbing hydrangea but the only are really good to zone 8. These are from Mexico and only hardy down to zone 9 - although they did just fine in the freeze we had this past winter. Here's a closer look at the hydrangeas blooming in June. Just wish that they would grow a little faster. They are definitely 'heritage' plants.

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2007
12:07 AM

Post #4169185

Nice! Do they smell wonderful?

We have a lot of old oak trees around here that's the ones that are falling apart and I tell you when one of those limbs fall you sure know it, I had one limb fall on my old fashion lilac a few years ago and it hasn't been the same since! This spring after it just barely blooms I'm going to cut it to the ground and I really hate to miss those blooms as few as they are now but it will be good for it I was told. The limb fell on my shed too but I didnít worry about that one so much lol

I have a black walnut in between our field and the back yard and it scares me to think it could kill my plants back there, I took the bark from all around the bottom of it last year but it's still growing, had a few walnuts on it this year guess I'm just going to have to cut it down while it's still young the trunk is only about 1' in diameter if that big, have got to get rid of this tree! lol I don't have anyone to help me so I'm a little bewildered. I just wanted to kill it and leave the tree to grow vines on. I have a list of juglone tolerant plants too just in case lol

I got four hydrangeas in a trade a while back didn't know they grew so slow, I was hoping to shade the west side of my house so I could plant some more shade plants I have all kinds of hosta, toad lilies, ferns, just everything I want to plant in the shade but no shade that I can plant in, I have shade where my dog is but can't plant there lol I do have my shade pots there that he doesn't bother thank goodness, that's my holding spot for when I do get some shade :)

So now I'm envious of your shade and your zone, thank you very much lol
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 8, 2007
4:22 AM

Post #4170154

If you've got a lot of room you might let the walnut grow. Mine was 25 years old when I bought the property but it sure makes growing things very hard. Hostas and ferns don't seem to mind though. I have my oaks pruned every five years. Don't want those falling limb problems. Kind of wish I had a little more sun to grow daylilies, roses and iris. It's either feast or famine. :-)
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2007
6:58 PM

Post #4172085

All I have planted even close to it right now are the butterfly host plants, westeria and two europeian ash trees (only 2 yrs. old) a plum tree a little further away but I don't want walnuts falling in the yard either they make such a mess, I already have a large hickory tree and have so much to pick up from that tree not counting limbs all of the time before I mow.

There still isn't enough shade to plant under the walnut, most of it is where my dog is that's why I planted the two ash trees, shade for him when it is gone, just hoping I get a little for plants in that area. I do have other trees in other places for shade for plants eventually and planting more this year.

It's a shame we can't trade 'sun spots' lol I have great sun for daylilies! I have a few.

Do you have any monk's hood and if you do are there any pictures of it blooming? I just planted a few last year and mine are blooming now and they are so pretty and tall if you don't have this plant you must get some :)

doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 8, 2007
8:07 PM

Post #4172307

I don't have any monk's hood. I believe that they are plants that only go up to zone 8
We don't have enough winter chill for them. Hope that your shade trees grow up quickly for you. I planted some new birch trees three years ago and they sure are taking their time. And they are supposed to be fast growers.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2007
8:46 PM

Post #4172443

That's a shame you can't grow the monk's hood.

I checked a river birch out at the nursery $200 and they wanted half of that to plant it, it was a larger one, I didn't get it.
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 8, 2007
9:41 PM

Post #4172665

I understand that the smaller trees catch up to the taller ones. The three I planted are 'Crimson Frost' and are very pretty.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2007
11:52 PM

Post #4173176

It just takes them so long to catch up! Sounds like you have some nice trees.
sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 9, 2007
3:33 AM

Post #4173945

I've enjoyed looking at everyone's pics of shady fall gardens. I especially love the colours of the Japanese Maples, doss. I have a real soft spot for them. Probably because they are borderline hardy for us, especially the dissectums. Last year was my first year at overwintering them. Supposedly the hardiest one of all (Red Emperor I) was the one that didn't make it through the winter. I was told to cut it down to a foot or so and sure enough, it resprouted from the bottom with green coloured foliage, which is apparently the rootstock it was grafted on.

I bought two more this spring. I'll soon have to get out and wrap them with the fleece. All have lost their leaves, except Inabe Shidare which seems to be happy with it's eastern exposure.

I took a pile of fall pictures last year but not many this year. You have to be Johnny-on-the-spot because the peak is just a matter of a week or so, but it sure can be a lovely, if brief, burst of warm colours!

Sandy
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 9, 2007
5:13 AM

Post #4174227

Sorry about your maple sandy. It is hard to grow Jm's in zone 4 and I don't know if you had the late freeze that others had this spring. It took quite a toll on people's jm's not to mention their other plants. Here's hoping that you'll have good success this year. You are a zone denier like me. I keep trying to grow hostas and it's just not cold enough for them here. :-)
sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 9, 2007
5:57 AM

Post #4174302

doss, I've been called many things - but Zone-denier is a first - lol! Tis true, though. At least for certain plants and believe me, I understand your hosta passion. But at least hostas here don't require any zone-denying.

I was also wondering how your variegated ligularia stays so pristine. The slugs love the Ligularias here.

Sandy
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2007
6:05 AM

Post #4174309

OK, that does it! After looking at all these gorgeous pictures I am taking over the WHOLE yard next year! :) Everyones pics are amazing! Now if I could just find me a JRM that I would not have to give an arm and a leg for, I'd be set! LOL
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 9, 2007
5:14 PM

Post #4175628

A JRM Misty? You just take over the whole yard and enjoy it.

I use a lot of Sluggo (or generic equivalent) to keep my ligularias from looking like Swiss cheese Sandy. Now I've been doing it for about 3 years and my problem is getting under control. I use it every two weeks during the season. I usually buy it on sale from Garden's Alive. It's cheaper that way - although still an expensive solution. I would use Correy's or Deadline if I didn't have pets.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
1:33 AM

Post #4177169

I want a Japanese Red Maple, I just can't afford to pay that much for them. :( I now have the stuff to start a little green house, so I can just have a hay day with everything! LOL You all should try Lowe's if you are in need of buying something! I bought a cart full of Hostas ranging from 98 cents to $1.37! OOPS, I shouldn't try to get anyone started, huh! LOL
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 10, 2007
5:53 AM

Post #4177880

Misty just be sure to keep those hostas away from your others and to be careful not to transfer sap of one to another. Those prices are great but very often places like Lowes have hostas infected with a virus called HVX that is incurable.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
2:28 PM

Post #4178498

Ok, PLEASE tell me more, cause now I am worried! I just sat them on the deck since it was dark and didn't have time to do anything with them yet.
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 10, 2007
4:06 PM

Post #4178826

If you go to 'member's favorite threads on this Hosta Forum stickie, you'll see three threads about HVX. If you have any questions start a new thread on the hosta forum. Folks there are always happy to help and they know a lot more about it than I do.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
4:42 PM

Post #4178939

Great, thanks! Also, DH found this and I just had to share it with fellow gardeners! Misty
A teenage granddaughter
comes downstairs for her date
with this see-through blouse on and no bra.
Her grandmother just pitched a fit,
telling her not to dare go out like that!
The teenager tells her
'Loosen up Grams.
These are modern times.
You gotta let your rose buds show!'
and out she goes.
The next day the teenager comes down stairs,
and the grandmother is sitting there with no top on.
The teenager wants to die.
She explains to her grandmother
that she has friends coming over
and that it is just not appropriate...
The grandmother says,
'Loosen up,
Sweetie.
If you can show off your rose buds,
then I can display my hanging baskets.

Happy Gardening.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
4:46 PM

Post #4178952

mistygardener,
I've seen inexpensive small Japanese Maples offered at outdoor flea markets in the spring. I might have to buy a new one myself, after keeping one in a container for years I planted it in the garden and one side died. I had to cut off all the branches on the right side. Hopefully it will put out new growth next year.
This Fothergilla is planted in partial shade and has beautiful fragrant early spring flowers and this lovely red fall foliage. The bare winter shape isn't bad either. You can just see my poor JM at the back left of the photo.

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
5:15 PM

Post #4179036

sempervirens,
Unfortunately I live in a small podunk town and we don't have flea markets around here. :( The cheapest I seen at Lowe's was almost 70 bucks for a teeny tiny tree, and I am not about to pay that for a tree. :( Do you know if they are easily propagated? I might see if I can find someone in the area that would help me out. I don't recall seeing any around here, but ya never know.
Your Fothergilla is beautiful! And I can see your poor little JM in the background. :(
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2007
5:16 PM

Post #4179042

sempervirens, what is this Fothergilla? That is beautiful! I want one! Can you send me a link to it I checked the plantfiles but I'm not very good with it it may be in there but couldn't fine it :) I have a lot fo partial shade to fill up.

I gotta run in town but I will b back :^)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 10, 2007
5:17 PM

Post #4179045

The fothergilla is beautiful semp. Here is a maple acontifolium.

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2007
5:18 PM

Post #4179051

I have several seeds to the RED JM, I WS last year but they haven't come up yet, still hoping, I just had some shrub seeds come up from 'Wentworth' just now so I'm still waiting on the RJM.

Gotta run :)
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2007
5:20 PM

Post #4179061

Man! I just drool over this thread doss!!!!

I have got to go lol
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
5:21 PM

Post #4179069

those pics are just gorgeous!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 10, 2007
5:41 PM

Post #4179120

Here's a link to the plantfiles Fothergilla
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=fothergilla&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=rating&images_prefs=both&Search=Search
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
6:05 PM

Post #4179180

doss-I went to the hosta forum and posted, no luck yet. thanks, misty
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 10, 2007
6:18 PM

Post #4179204

Thanks doss for providing the link for the Fothergilla. Mine is the dwarf Fothergilla gardenii. Some can get quite large and even the gardenii can be variable in size. I have a Blue Mist Fothergilla also with nice blue leaves but it does suffer die back in severe winters. So even after 5 years it's quite small. I have it in more shade to keep the leaves blue but then I don't get as much fall color.
The maple acontifolium has beautiful color and leaves doss.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
12:48 AM

Post #4180254

Got a response on the Hostas that was very helpful! :)
Green house is almost built!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
1:41 AM

Post #4180441

How great that you are getting a green house Misty. Congratulations!
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
1:50 AM

Post #4180480

Thanks! I am so excited. :) But now my body hurts and I am cold! LOL
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
2:01 AM

Post #4180510

I'll bet. It's pretty late in the season to be just finishing now. Do you have a lot of plants waiting to go into it?
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
2:35 AM

Post #4180649

I have tons in the house, kinda looks like a forest! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
2:54 AM

Post #4180744

Well, good luck. I hope that you get the greenhouse up and the house freed from the plants. :-)
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
4:14 PM

Post #4181967

Thanks, doss, I am sure the other's here in the household are thinking the very same thing! LOL :) We just have the roof and the door left, but I'm not sure I am up for finishing it today. :( I did go ahead and leave my Hardy Banana plants in it last night and it actually seemed to help as the leaves that had been trying to unfurl for days decided to open all the way!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
5:13 PM

Post #4182149

I'm afraid that I'm a fair weather gardener - maybe just spoiled. I admire so much people's dedication to their plants in the winter.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
8:17 PM

Post #4182678

Down to just the door! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
10:21 PM

Post #4183067

A roof in one day. I can't wait to hear that it's finished.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:02 PM

Post #4183228

Well, I wish I could say it was done, but my truck had to go and break on me today, so we can't go get the rest for the door. I don't think we can haul it home on the Harley! LOL
I will send the pics of what is done, though. There are seven pics total, and the one that you see my "trashy" trash can is the one I made my own soil mixture in.

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:02 PM

Post #4183230

#2

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:03 PM

Post #4183232

#3

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:03 PM

Post #4183233

#4

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:04 PM

Post #4183234

#5

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:05 PM

Post #4183236

#6

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:07 PM

Post #4183249

And the last one. Just remember that this is my "first" GH and it is nothing special, but now I have one at least! :) By the way, the shelving that I bought is half price at Wal-Mart for the same thing they have at Lowe's, just a different brand! Mine is Rubbermaid, and that is a good brand, so glad I shopped at Wally world first! :)

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 11, 2007
11:29 PM

Post #4183316

It's very ingenious! Congratulations. :-)
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2007
11:37 PM

Post #4183355

Thanks! I spent a lot of sleepless nights thinking on an "easy" way and a quick way to get it up. The easy part flew the coop, however, it went up in two days, so at least one out of two is good! LOL He had been gathering glass and cutting it and whatnot, and I said how about something a bit easier. I am already talking about the next one, but I think I better wait a little while before I ask him to do it again. :) Now I just need wheels so I can go buy more to fill it up, and to replace the ones I had in the house, although smaller ones for inside. :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 12, 2007
2:01 AM

Post #4183945

Well, good luck with your new plants and your old ones. How nice that you have someone who will help you build the greenhouse. Good help is so hard to find. :-)
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2007
2:05 AM

Post #4183962

You are so right, doss! I owe him a lot of thanks, for sure. :) I told him he got his Harley and I got my GH. Although, his was WAY more expensive, mine was WAY more difficult! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 13, 2007
5:46 PM

Post #4189170

By now you should have gotten that door done and most of those plants moved. I'll bet that it feels great.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2007
5:52 PM

Post #4189200

Hi Doss, wouldn't ya know it isn't done! With my truck breaking, then it raining, just haven't been able to get to it, yet! I have moved plants in it, though since it is nice out.
I have read good things about you on other forums, by the way! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 13, 2007
11:26 PM

Post #4190154

You'll get it done Misty. Even without a door it should provide some very good protection.

I do my best. Seems as if you are enjoying Dave's as I see your name in other forums. Glad that you are here.
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2007
3:03 AM

Post #4190862

Thanks, Doss, you are so kind! I had an early Christmas today! Getting to open seeds sent from DGer's and a gift from another lady here in Missouri from DG. What an awesome day it has been for me! I even bought me another GH at Lowe's today and a few more plants! I am glad to be here, also. I have made many new friends!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 14, 2007
5:42 PM

Post #4192431

I'm a real seed killer so I always admire people who are good at growing them. Will you wait until spring to put up the new greenhouse?
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2007
6:39 PM

Post #4192612

Hi Doss, It is already together. It is a portable one on wheels. It is about 6 foot tall, and about 3 foot wide by about 2 foot deep. It didn't even require any tools to put it together! You should go check it out! Oh ya, no door as of yet as it decided it wanted to be nasty again today! misty
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 15, 2007
12:30 AM

Post #4193837

Thanks for the encouragement misty but I don't grow anything that can't take the weather here. Not much of a limitation but most of the things, like hostas that I love, need colder rather than warmer weather. Bummer, huh? I'm glad that you are happy with yours though. Enjoy!
mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 15, 2007
12:49 AM

Post #4193892

Thanks Doss! :) I now realize that we in colder climates are able to grow things that those of you in warmer climates cannot. I had never thought of that prior to being on DG. I am working on sowing some seeds right now, actually! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 16, 2007
5:13 AM

Post #4198719

:-)
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 16, 2007
10:56 AM

Post #4198932

Nice greenhouse misty.
We're having a interesting fall weather wise, many trees are still holding on to their leaves. It just started to turn cold so we are also having a late color change display. Since the change in the solomon seal and hosta is for just a brief few days I watch closely for the golden leaves to appear. The solomon seal have just colored to a intense chartreuse.


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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 16, 2007
2:08 PM

Post #4199348

Thanks, Semp. Your garden is beautiful!
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 16, 2007
6:48 PM

Post #4200393

Your solomon's seals are very pretty. Mine are already dormant even though we are having a warm fall.
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 16, 2007
9:23 PM

Post #4200902

Such gorgeous pictures here. I've been following this thread, waiting for Fall to hit here. Finally it has, and I've never seen so much color. Usually we get a killing freeze or two while everything's still green. Such a strange warm season this year. Thanks very much for sharing all your photos. Here's one of mine, with our autumn hued dog.

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wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 16, 2007
9:25 PM

Post #4200910

Just one more pic of corydalis "Berry Exciting", still blooming today underneath a paperbark maple. Very impressed with this plant.

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 16, 2007
11:33 PM

Post #4201280

Is that hakone grass and polygonatum in the first photo WP? I wish that mine would get that color. And the three foliage plants in the second photo are genius together. You have quite an eye.

Great dog too. I have one the same color. This is fall color in this shade garden. The sword ferns and begonias do go dormant but not for awhile. We've had a very mild winter too.

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 16, 2007
11:37 PM

Post #4201295

AWE, such nice plants, and doggies, too! :)
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2007
12:02 AM

Post #4201363

Gosh, thanks, doss. Yes, that's solomon seal and hakone grass. I've never had the sol. seal get that color before. And the hakone grass is turning bright orange too, which I've never seen to this extent. Most perennials usually turn to mush here with the cold before they have a chance to turn fall colors. The dog's always that color, though.

Very sweet pooch there, well posed in front of those gorgeous ferns.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 17, 2007
1:07 AM

Post #4201564

Thanks doss and mistygardener.

Wickerparker, lovely fall colors and design in your garden.
I have one of those dogs too.


doss , pretty dog, is your dog a King Charles Spaniel?

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mistygardener
Saint James, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 17, 2007
1:17 AM

Post #4201597

You all just leave me in awe, and WANT, looking at your pics! :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 17, 2007
1:24 AM

Post #4201636

Very pretty garden Semp - I'm always a sucker for a garden path. Beautiful dog too.
And yes, my dog is a King Charles Spaniel. That was a good ID. Most people don't recognize her as a KCS because she's not red and white.
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2007
1:31 AM

Post #4201663

That's a great looking dog, sempervirens, in a lovely garden, and I must say I'm very impressed to see him/her keeping to the path! Ours has been trained to stay on our path, but it took a while and was looking hopeless back in the beginning. Now she never even steps on our tiny lawn, until winter time, but she sure seems to get in all the garden pictures.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 17, 2007
7:07 PM

Post #4203823

wickerparker, what kind of Heuchera is that behind your Berry Exciting, very nice contrast!
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2007
7:37 PM

Post #4203891

It's H villosa Mocha. Another great plant, and very hardy in heat.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 17, 2007
9:07 PM

Post #4204079

That is so pretty I love the dark leaves and they are so huge! I may have to get me one of those :) You need to add that to the plantfiles I don't see it in there :)
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2007
9:40 PM

Post #4204164

Some of the villosa hybrids have gotten attention in the heuchera forum. When some of my other heucheras went kaput during the dog days this summer, I replaced them with Mocha, which has done well for me in shade and sun (though not as dark or as purple in sun). Most of mine are only a year old; the leaves are supposed to get even bigger.

LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 17, 2007
10:00 PM

Post #4204230

"the leaves are suppose to get bigger" now I know I need this one!! Are the leaves thicker too?
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 17, 2007
10:28 PM

Post #4204326

I see the leaves aren't thicker but they just look like they are from your picture, it does look taller than 18" though it looks taller, how tall is it?
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2007
10:42 PM

Post #4204364

The one in that picture is one of my newer additions and not as big as others. Okay, just ran out and measured. The biggest Mochas I've got are 18" tall right now (it's been raining, so they're actually a little squashed). I don't consider the leaves especially thick, but they're not delicate. It has a very robust appearance, all summer long, even, as I say, in the intense heat.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 17, 2007
11:02 PM

Post #4204424

Well it's wonderful, I have the velvet knight and really like it's dark colors, thanks for sharing :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 18, 2007
10:32 PM

Post #4207619

Here are some fuchsias blooming right now.

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sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 19, 2007
2:04 AM

Post #4208366

Oh, that's pretty, doss! Things have pretty much gone to sleep here now. I wrapped the Japanese Maples yesterday.

Here's a couple of pics of fall colours in the garden.

Sandy

Pink highlights on the Hakone Grass:

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sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 19, 2007
2:10 AM

Post #4208388

As I mentioned, I didn't take many pics this fall. Time got away from me but the colours weren't as nice as they were last year, anyway. This pic is from 2006. I used the 'vivid' setting on the camera which enhances the warm colours. Wish I would have raked the lawn. :-)

Sandy

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4paws
Citra, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 19, 2007
2:18 AM

Post #4208417

wonderful photos! Thanks everyone! :-)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 19, 2007
2:51 AM

Post #4208515

I like the lawn the way it is Sandy. Lovely garden space as usual.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2007
4:18 AM

Post #4208730

Very nice fall colors in your garden sanannie. I agree with doss, the leaves add to the picture.
snowtop
Orange, CA

November 19, 2007
4:21 AM

Post #4208741

Beautiful garden Sempre. Thanks for sharing.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2007
2:24 PM

Post #4209608

Thank you snowtop. We've had our 1st snow this morning ( it's still snowing now) so all the warmer climate posters will have to post photos to give the rest of us something good to look at, at least until the spring garden catalogs come in January.

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wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 20, 2007
9:39 PM

Post #4214775

I hope it's not still snowing in NJ! Looks lovely, though, with that pretty dusting.

Our garden is just hitting its peak fall color, which, again, absolutely blows my mind it's so late. But it's really enchanting out there right now and I couldn't resist taking some more pictures. Here are the containers just outside our back door, with Branford Beauty ferns that have turned a honeyed gold, plus fuschia, still going strong, and lamium.

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wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 20, 2007
9:44 PM

Post #4214795

that's a paperbark maple in the foreground, with a climbing hydrangea behind it on the fence, which has turned yellow. And a bit of a golden leaved pear tree peaking in from the left.

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 20, 2007
10:10 PM

Post #4214895

Lovely photos wickerparker and semp. I love the sprinkling of snow. It's wonderful how the wetness of everything makes the colors of your garden sparkle WP.
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 20, 2007
11:13 PM

Post #4215068

Here are flowers on an farfugium 'Argentea'.

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linda2222
Rainsville, AL
(Zone 7a)

November 21, 2007
12:52 PM

Post #4216506

Thanks everyone for sharing your shade garden phots and info. I have a wonderful wooded area and have a few plants, most of which I don't remember the names. I have fern and hosta, of course, among a few other plants. I have trouble keeping the ferns watered.

Do most shade plants need to be planted in the spring. If anyone knows of plants that need to be put out in the fall for shade, I would appreciate any info.

sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 21, 2007
2:09 PM

Post #4216818

Hi linda2222,

The fall is generally a great time to plant most perennials, trees and shrubs. I planted up to the first week in October here. I'm not sure about the dates for your zone though

I remember a discussion we had a couple of years ago on spring vs. fall planting. Here's the link: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/546869/

Sandy
sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 21, 2007
2:16 PM

Post #4216850

Nice photos! Semp, you beat us by a couple of days with your first snow ... ours was this morning and although it's pretty, it was enough to make driving pretty treacherous. Hate that. Wickerparker, your containers have that wow factor both what's in them and the containers themselves - what are they made of?

Sandy
wickerparker
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

November 21, 2007
2:28 PM

Post #4216895

Our first snow is scheduled for tonight, but first we're getting lots of rain, so bye bye pretty leaves. Sanannie, those containers are zinc, with a copper toned finish. They were a great deal. Paid $20 for each one a few years ago in a sale, and they've held up great.

Linda, just want to add that I too plant in the fall, in fact it's my preferred time to plant. Gives the roots a head start and adds to the excitement of my favorite time of the year: spring, when things start poking up out of the ground and I check their progress practically hourly.

Don't forget to water, though, if it's dry there. We've had an extremely warm, dry Fall and I was still watering new plantings a few days ago.
sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 21, 2007
3:31 PM

Post #4217163

$20 !! What a steal ! Love the ferns in them.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2007
3:34 PM

Post #4217172

wickerparker, the containers look wonderful and $20 is a great deal on that size. edited to say we were posting at the same time sanannie and we said basically the same thing, sorry.

sanannie the snow is pretty but fortunately it didn't last. It's back to fall weather again, I still have plenty of leaves on the trees.

doss, the farfuguim Argentea is lovely in flower but it's no fair posting that one because you already told me I can't grow it in my zone lol. I like any cream or white variegation on the leaves of shade plants.

linda some ferns don't need as much water but I'm not sure which ones would be best for your zone.

Any ideas on how to treat this one sided JM? Do you think it will grow new branches on the right ?

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doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 21, 2007
4:26 PM

Post #4217344

Semp, I just went and looked at the hardiness of the "Argentea" again and some people say that it is hardy to zone 6b, some to zone 7.

It is highly doubtful that the JM will grow on the bare side. It looks as if it has had some sort of tissue damage there. The only way to salvage this one is to dig it up and turn the bald side to the fence. If that doesn't work, I would get a new one. I know that it's hard to consider. Ask in the JM forum if you'd like though. Someone else may have another idea.
sempervirens
Northern, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 23, 2007
1:43 PM

Post #4221813

Thanks doss, I think I will try the "Argentea" since I have a few areas with warmer microclimates.
I didn't think of turning the JM which should work nicely. The damage on the side of the tree was made worse by me when I tried to prune off the dead branch and my pruners were too dull. I hope it heals.

Well after the first snow we had a 66 degree Thanksgiving day. How was the weather in other parts of the country?
I thought this photo had a pretty everglade look with the long hanging limbs of the Norway Spruce supplying the greens. The Rosa virginiana has turned a lovely yellow and although that rose is in a sunnier spot the surrounding plants are in partial shade.

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LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 23, 2007
4:39 PM

Post #4222272

Well it was 40 here yesterday and very windy, too cold to get out and work in the gardens I guess that's over for the winter for me except for planting trees :( I'm not ready to give it up yet! I must enjoy pretty pictures like from doss for the rest of the winter, thank doss!

sempervirens, I have a broken pot like that in one of my beds with hens and chicks coming out of it and the frogs like to get underneath of it :)
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 23, 2007
8:19 PM

Post #4222826

Lovely corner of your garden Semp. I love the trailing evergreens especially.

It's in the mid 70's here and the patio was so warm I had to come in. It's on the South side of the house and very sheltered. The daylilies are even still opening and I've got some reblooming iris going too. The begonias are over though.
sanannie
White Lake, ON
(Zone 4b)

November 23, 2007
9:11 PM

Post #4222944

Yes, that's a cool shot. The evergreens make it seem as if we are in a room peeking through the window.

doss, well I just went out to my patio and it was so cold I had to come in! I guess that accounts for the 5 zones between us :)

Sandy
doss
Stanford, CA
(Zone 9b)

November 23, 2007
9:14 PM

Post #4222950

We sure have a little difference between our climates Sandy. It's one of the most fun things about DG to me. I'm always reminded of the difference and I so enjoy it.

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